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Ohio Gov.: Mandatory Face Mask Order Was “just a bridge too far”

Ohio Gov.: Mandatory Face Mask Order Was “just a bridge too far”

“People were not going to accept the government telling them what to do”

https://youtu.be/nNUmi43kcVc

As states, cities, and towns are slowly moving to reopen, many are issuing mandatory face mask orders requiring the public to wear a face mask when not in their homes or cars (or in an open air area).  This, as you might expect, is not going over very well.  At all.

In fact, Ohio Governor Mike DeWine (R) acknowledged Sunday that he is reversing his order that all people in Ohio wear face masks while shopping because it “was just a bridge too far.”

The Hill reports:

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine (R) said Sunday that a now-reversed mandate for everyone, including customers, to wear face masks at businesses during the coronavirus pandemic was “a bridge too far.”

“It became very clear to me after we put out the order that everyone in retail who walked into a store as a customer would have to do that, it became clear to me that that was just a bridge too far,” he said on ABC’s “This Week.” “People were not going to accept the government telling them what to do.”

“So my ability to communicate to the people of Ohio, frankly, I thought was going to be really impeded and we would get hung up on the mandatory masks for someone going in as a customer, and it just wasn’t going to work,” he added.

DeWine says he still “highly” recommends that customers wear masks in businesses as a way to protect workers.

Watch the whole segment:

This type of face mask mandate also received so much pushback in one Oklahoma town that they, too, rescinded the order after it being in effect for only a few hours.

Fox News reports:

An Oklahoma city has lifted a coronavirus mask requirement following reports of physical confrontations — and a threat of violence involving a gun — at reopened stores and restaurants.

“In the short time beginning on May 1, 2020, that face coverings have been required for entry into stores/restaurants, store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse,” City Manager Norman McNickle said. “In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm.”

Now Stillwater said the mask requirement applies only to the employees of those establishments. A business owner can ask his or her customers to wear a mask. The original order was in effect only a few hours.

It happened Friday in Stillwater following the reopening of certain businesses forced to close to contain the spread of the virus.

When the Democrat mayor of Tampa, Florida proposed such an order, the city council declined to even vote on it.

Later, the group declined to vote on [Tampa mayor Jane] Castor’s motion to issue an order requiring masks. Castor wanted a roll call vote from the group’s eight members, but Commissioner Kimberly Overman withdrew her support so Castor’s motion died.

During the discussion, at least five members opposed a mask or face covering order citing a burden on businesses and residents.

“I think to mandate it will just come across to people in the wrong way,” said Commissioner Sandy Murman, who said masks should remain recommended, not required.

In Texas, Republican Governor Greg Abbott superseded all local orders for mandatory face masks in one fell swoop.

Gov. Greg Abbott announced a plan to reopen Texas beginning this Friday, May 1, after his “stay home” order expires.

While Abbott strongly encouraged Texans to wear face masks, he said there was not to be any mandate. His order supersedes all local orders, basically nullifying Harris County Judge Lina Hidalgo’s order, which was put in place this morning, on May 1.

Earlier today, Hidalgo had said she made the order enforceable, like seatbelt laws and laws regarding handicap parking, to emphasize the importance of the order and to signal that it must be followed. Violating the order would be punishable by up to $1,000. However, Hidalgo said that she did not expect to hear about citations being issued. Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez, Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo, and Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner had all said that the order would not be enforced.

Now, according to the governor, the order basically cannot even exist.

In response to the order, Mayor Turner tearfully cautioned Houstonians to continue to wear face coverings, practice good hygiene, and social distance.

It doesn’t help that even medical experts can’t agree on whether or not they are even effective in preventing the spread of Wuhan coronavirus or who should be wearing them.

The left, of course, is outraged, but when are they not? They are so invested in central control that it doesn’t seem to occur to them that the lifting of these mandatory face mask orders doesn’t mean the masks are banned or that they will be barred from wearing them.

Governor DeWine has it right in saying that “People were not going to accept the government telling them what to do.”  The pushback on government face mask mandates is just one example of this fact, and interestingly, was the bridge too far during the Spanish flu pandemic, as well.

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Comments

Madman2001 | May 3, 2020 at 4:09 pm

I wish Illinoisians would have a little gumption.

    RestLess in reply to Madman2001. | May 3, 2020 at 7:39 pm

    This Illinoisan refuses to wear a mask. I live 30 minutes from Iowa, so the wife and I will be making weekly trips to the Hawkeye State to do shopping until the mask order is lifted here. There are signs of the dam breaking in Illinois. The mayor of East Peoria recently announced his city will not enforce the governor’s extended lockdown, and the state’s attorney in Woodford County says he won’t prosecute any violations of the lockdown order. My daughter works in a rural Illinois convenience store, and her manager refuses to enforce the mask rule for customers. She says 80% of her customers aren’t wearing masks, but she’s required to wear one because of the governor’s mandate. She said local police officers stop by the store daily, and not once has a police officer told a customer to put on a mask or told store employees to enforce the rule for customers. So, yeah, a lot of people are growing very weary of all of this.

      Village sheriff in Putnam co. used to say with the exception of Springfield, most of the crazy was north of I-80.

      How has the pandemic affected bow-hunting asian carp on the Illinois River?

        RestLess in reply to MrE. | May 3, 2020 at 8:26 pm

        First of all, love your avatar. I’m a huge fan of MST3K.
        Outside of the Chicago area, Illinois is mostly conservative and rural. And it’s funny you mentioned bow-hunting. I was just thinking about a nearby indoor bow-hunting target range, and I see a police car parked there many nights when there are definitely more than 10 people inside, a violation of Governor Pigster’s mandate!

    rdmdawg in reply to Madman2001. | May 4, 2020 at 12:28 pm

    PA also. This place is full of sheep.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Madman2001. | May 4, 2020 at 2:18 pm

    MASK WEARERS ARE LOSERS.

Anyone know what gives Lina Hildalgo the power to create these orders? It always seemed to me this should be coming from the executive, i.e. the governor or mayor, in these times of emergency and the legislative in normal times. So how does someone from the judicial branch now have the power to create arbitrary rules?

Too bad it’s not accepted, but it’s a good idea. It reduces the reinfection number, and if the number can be brought to less than 1.0, the disease dies out, herd immunity or no herd immunity.

    I don’t think the objection is so much to wearing masks but to government diktats. I live in Florida, where we have no such order, but when I go to the grocery store, all but one or two people are wearing them (including me). There is also good observance of social distancing, so that with the masks, even if there are a few people who don’t wear them, seems sufficient.

    We can’t live like this forever, though, so it feels like there is also the “pull the band-aid off fast” kind of mentality building.

      LibraryGryffon in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 3, 2020 at 5:12 pm

      The folks without masks tend to be better about social distancing and not touching everything in sight.

      At least in my area more than a few folks seem to view masks as some sort of magic talisman. Just having one grants the bearer complete immunity with no further effort required on their part.

      Mac45 in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 3, 2020 at 8:50 pm

      Obviously people do not understand how face masks work or why social distancing was deemed necessary, when we were not wearing the masks.

      First, medical face masks are NOT effective for keeping a person from contracting an aerosol virus. They do not form a tight enough seal to keep unfiltered air from entering. Also, they do not cover the eyes, which can act as a pathway for the virus to enter the body. What hazmat personnel wear to keep from coming into contact with contaminants, especially biological ones, are positive pressure. These also require a stringent decontamination process to protect the wearer from contamination when the suit is removed. What surgical masks are pretty good at doing is trapping exhaled virus carrying particulates. Wearing a mask protect those around you, if you are infectious, but does little to protect you.

      The second thing is the reason for “social distancing”. These rules were out in place when people were not wearing masks. The social distancing was supposed to keep people outside the area inside which the virus carrying particulates were thought to be able to travel. If everyone wears a mask, there is NO reason for social distancing.

      Get it? Now, as COVID-19 is proving to be little more deadly than seasonal flu, the question arises why do we need masks and social distancing at all? Restrict access to nursing and retirement homes and let the rest of the adults make their own choices about going out.

        paracelsus in reply to Mac45. | May 4, 2020 at 8:39 am

        Mac,
        I think your last paragraph relies on some highly questionable statistics. I think the corona virus is far less deadly than the seasonal flu.

          Mac45 in reply to paracelsus. | May 4, 2020 at 1:25 pm

          It may well turn out to be so. But, at the moment, we are seeing statistical trends, based upon confirmed testing data, which places the fatality rate, for COVID and likely COVID influenced cases, at about double the fatality rate for current flu seasons, and we have both vaccines and established treatments for most known influenza strains.

          So, if I was a betting man, I would say that the fatality rate for COVID-19, in the US. will likely be the approximate equivalent of influenza a. It is interesting that influenza and pneumonia deaths fell to nearly zero in March 2020, from an average of 3000-5000 a month for the previous five months. In other words COVID-19 wiped out influenza and pneumonia. At least according to the statistics.

      Grandpa in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 4, 2020 at 5:19 pm

      Remember to Practice Frequent Brain Washing

    tphillip in reply to rhhardin. | May 3, 2020 at 5:50 pm

    >It reduces the reinfection number, and if the number can be brought to less than 1.0, the disease dies out, herd immunity or no herd immunity.

    Citations please.

    The infection rate is now below 1% due to extensive testing, and the disease will **never** die out (This isn’t mall pox).

    Or do you believe that Zika, Spanish Flu, Ebola, Swine Flu, Hong Kong Flu, and all the endless variants magically disappeared? If you do, then you **really** need to learn a lot of things about diseases and viruses.

    rdmdawg in reply to rhhardin. | May 4, 2020 at 12:31 pm

    If you locked everyone into their homes for 12 months, and assigned a police officer per block to make sure they all stayed inside their home or else shoot them, that would be fantastic to defeat the Kung Flu! Meanwhile, keep your borders open to any number of infected illegal immigrants to keep the epidemic going.

    I’m sure you’ll find majority support for such a plan here in lefty Pennsylvania.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | May 3, 2020 at 5:01 pm

Mayor Will Joyce is a liar and BULLY indebted to the big leftist Oklahoma State University that dominates that town.

The very fact that he’s willing to just cancel the order demonstrates that there was NO GOOD REASON for it in the first place.

Especially when they’re allowing ‘masks’ like cloth bandanas tied over their mouths that not only accomplish nothing, but absorb the moisture when you breath, saturate with water, and spread the disease WORSE.

Which is why people are ****ing pissed and getting madder. You don’t get to tell us for weeks that masks do nothing, and then turn around and demand we wear masks at the very end.

Group bike rides are starting and no one is wearing a mask. Compliance at my local Kroger is about half and half. As I browse the aisles a soothing voice plays overhead reminding me to maintain social distancing. I chuckle to myself because the soothing female voice sounds like the computer in the movie Demolition Man as it hands out citations for language violations. I commit a language violation myself as I realize how close we have drifted toward the controlled risk adverse society depicted in that movie.

    murkyv in reply to technerd. | May 3, 2020 at 7:41 pm

    Mine put the One-Way arrows going the wrong way in the aisles I use

    Damn them!

      Another Voice in reply to murkyv. | May 4, 2020 at 11:05 am

      The grocery stores especially have their aisles arrowed for pedestrian traffic. And like driving your car, you’re going to take the routes which will get you there the quickest, in this case check-out. Walking the entire store of 20 aisles when what you need is in 7 of them makes using them useless to shoppers who have already complied with wearing face masks.

    murkyv in reply to technerd. | May 3, 2020 at 7:43 pm

    And I can see the Environmentalists STILL stopping us from all having 3 seashells

DeWine (my governor) is a John McCain republican (i.e. basks in the praise the leftist media gives when he does what they want). I am surprised he backed down off of this….

    utroukx in reply to slagothar. | May 3, 2020 at 6:10 pm

    Well, he did extend the stay at home order to the end of May in the dead of night, so…

      slagothar in reply to utroukx. | May 3, 2020 at 8:14 pm

      I know; that was very disappointing, but consistent with his spine-less-ness. Of course, he waffled, saying that he would re-evaluate in a couple of weeks….

    The Livewire in reply to slagothar. | May 4, 2020 at 11:10 am

    Fellow Buckeye here.

    Yeah, I despise DeWhine so much I couldn’t vote for him or Cordroy last election and voted Libertarian.

    I think it started out a little excessive. As I said “I think he’s engaging in overkil, but I don’t know the right level of kill.” But it’s advanced beyond that.

    Now when I hear one of the local comic shops doing curbside, and crying as people started pulling in at midnight on 05/01/2020, I know it’s gone too far.

Christopher B | May 3, 2020 at 5:36 pm

c0cac0la – a lot of states that don’t use a county commission form of government call the chief executive of the county a ‘judge’ or ‘judge executive’.

I’m glad to see citizens pushing back. Otherwise, it won’t be long until the physical violence starts.

Idiot in my State is still keeping up the charade. The masks are mere branding of sheep. A little joke by Doctor Farquaad.

As usual, the idiots in charge are shocked, shocked that people can think and act on their own without being forced by government.

I fear face masks are in my future here in the UK! ???

The latest guidance from military scientists in Wuhan is 3 m, 6 if you follow the precautionary principle. That said, a bridge too far would be denying essential services, including selective-Jew… Child and Mengele… Planned Parenthood clinics.

the baby killer in penna is requiring it…
ri-dic-u-lous…
but the “sheeple” bow down to this lying tard

    rdmdawg in reply to jmt9455. | May 4, 2020 at 12:39 pm

    Ya, it’s super bad here in Pennsylvania, I think because it is the state with the oldest population in the Union. They would all be polite and respectful of authority as Wolf was loading them on to boxcars and shipping them off to the gas chambers.

Outside of a hospital setting face masks and gloves are largely useless. It’s like the security theater of the TSA. Gloves must be changed constantly to be effective, or you just ending up transferring the bad stuff onto whatever you’re touching, like your groceries, car keys, and phone.

Now I’ll admit that I would wear them if I was working as a cashier at the grocery store while serving many dozens of customers, but for the routine shopper, it’s useless.

Outside of a hospital setting face masks and gloves are largely useless. It’s like the security theater of the TSA. Gloves must be changed constantly to be effective, or you just ending up transferring the bad stuff onto whatever you’re touching, like your groceries, car keys, and phone.

Now I’ll admit that I would wear them if I was working as a cashier at the grocery store while serving many dozens of customers, but for the routine shopper, it’s useless.

    slagothar in reply to fast182. | May 3, 2020 at 8:18 pm

    Theater of the TSA; that is an apt comparison…. Wearing masks is nothing but virtue signalling….

    fast182, you write, “It’s like the security theater of the TSA.” This is a fantastically apt comparison, and I wish I had thought of it! It’s all about the feelz, about making (stupid?) people feel secure, when nothing effective is actually being done. The TSA, last time I checked, had not caught one terrorist, yet we spend many millions making Americans uncomfortable (in some cases, bordering on actual assault and abuse) and disrupting their travel. For naught but that feel good, ultimately faux “oh, I’m safe” feeling.

      DavidMD in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 4, 2020 at 12:21 am

      No, it’s not like security theater. Masks are highly effective at stopping the spread. I encourage you to watch this short video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkN8yCWSGus

      Much of the science behind this is recent, and the evidence is growing stronger. This article is a good overview and has links to recent research:
      https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/dont-wear-mask-yourself/610336/

      Here’s an example from S. Korea about someone who used masks all the time and another didn’t. One infected person with no symptoms only infected one other person despite coming into contact with 1200 people. The other, who only came into contact with 170, infected 37.
      https://t.co/zyTdT3c7WY?amp=1

      It also worked in the Czech Republic and many other countries where mask use is either required or part of the culture, such as S. Korea (where the pro-baseball teams are starting to play), Hong Kong and Taiwan.

      Still have Qs? https://www.fast.ai/2020/04/20/skeptics-masks/

      If you want to reopen the economy and make people feel confident enough to shop again, we’ll need to all start wearing masks inside buildings open to the public.

        Thanks for the links and info! I’m more than a little skeptical of a study you describe as consisting of two subjects and apparently zero controls (how does anyone know the masked subject infected even one person? Or that the unmasked subject infected even one person, let alone 37 persons?). This kind of stuff is exactly why people are skeptical about all the “believe science” crap. Science isn’t about answers, it’s about questions, even about the search for answers, but a closed-mind, this is science because there’s a consensus thing sets off my Spidey sense. And omg, the minute a scientist says he/she/it “knows” this based on a study of a whole two people, I’m done.

        Literally done. There are a ton of links here, but I read that, and I’m just over it. I do think, though, that your post clearly illustrates that there is no consensus among scientists, virologists, et al. on the efficacy of face masks on the general population (particularly when said masks are constructed out of old concert tees and the rubber bands that come with celery and asparagus).

        I do wear a mask, but I am under no delusion at all that it is saving me or anyone else. My unfounded hope is that I, as a member of a high risk group, won’t get it when someone coughs up WuFlu all over me at the grocery store. Will it? Um, no, and even I know that, but it makes me feel better.

        What would make me feel incredibly angry and unsafe to my TEA Party core is a government diktat mandating I cover my face with whatever old tablecloth I have lying around and can affix to my face with string. I think even your fantastic scientist of two person study group fame would agree that this is not helpful, but more importantly, I would not appreciate the government intrusion.

          rdmdawg in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 4, 2020 at 12:45 pm

          Bravo, Fuzzy Slippers, my favorite LI author. I look forward to weekends to hear your take on stuff.

          Ya, the acceptance of certain ‘studies’, and the ignoring of other, more rigorous papers is infuriating to me.

          Mac45 in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 4, 2020 at 1:40 pm

          I wear a mask in certain venues; usually because it is required or to make people, usually medical people, feel more at ease. That is because I am a nice guy, niot because I have or am likely to contract the virus.

        fast182 in reply to DavidMD. | May 4, 2020 at 10:04 am

        Like most science today, this debate doesn’t define the question, which allows for all sorts of mischief. Is the mask intended to protect the wearer from outside infection or the public from an infected wearer? Surgical masks are intended primarily to protect the patient from the wearer, and provide the wearer with minor protection from large droplets that may be expelled from the patient at close range.

        But if someone is coughing in your face, it’s going to get in your eyes and all over your clothes. That’s why nurses wear scrubs, so they can be discarded when infected. You can’t exactly disrobe and shower in the middle of the grocery store.

        If you’re sick and wearing a surgical mask or homemade cloth mask then there’s very little protection offered to the public. The “mask” is not designed to capture the viruses that you’re shedding. It’s just going to leak out the sides. I guess it’s better than nothing, but if we’re dealing with a truly airborne virus that can live in the air for minutes or hours, then the mask-wearing infected person will simply be leaving a trail of destruction behind them.

        And if somehow the homemade mask captured that one little virus that was floating around, preventing it from getting into your lungs, it will be released into the air when the mask is removed, potentially infecting the wearer or others.

        To protect from true airborne hazards, a full-face respirator is required, which filters and captures the hazards, so it also helps to protect the wearer from being infected when they remove the mask.

        Nope. Masks and gloves are theater. If this is really as infectious as they think, then everyone is eventually going to get it. There’s simply no getting around it. And there’s no guarantee that we’ll get a vaccine either. That’s all wish casting too.

        Sorry for the long rant, but just 5 minutes ago we were being told that there were too many people on the planet. Shouldn’t the left be cheering this virus? They love death cults, from the 1960s population time bomb and Rachel Carson’s silent spring, to global cooling in the 70s, to nuclear winter, peak oil, global warming, etc.? No, what’s going on here is that they want fewer people, but they don’t intend to be the ones who die off. They want others to die so they can rule over the rest in their sick vision of a socialist utopia or their weird weather cult. They’d be okay with it if it was only killing people in red states or minorities. No, the real reason that this virus scares them so is because it doesn’t discriminate between left and right.

        Mac45 in reply to DavidMD. | May 4, 2020 at 1:37 pm

        Did you read my previous post?

        Masks CONTAIN infected particulates expressed by an infected person. This is why they have been work in operating theaters for more than a century. That is why they are still mandated for visitors to wards or patients with severe immune-deficiencies. However, they do not do a very good job of keeping a healthy person from contracting the virus. For decades, the Japanese have been wearing masks when they feel that they may be infectious. It was a social stricture not mandated by law.

        But, here is why the medical profession can not be trusted, anymore. They were telling people that masks were useless self protection. Then they reversed themselves and are now claiming that masks are a necessity for self protection, even though the evidence accumulated during the two months of herding vast numbers of non-masked individuals through grocery stores, shows that serious infections simply do not occur except within a very small group of high risk people.

        That is how SCIENCE works. Empirical data obtained through direct observation proves or disproves theories. In this case, this data is rapidly disproving the teory that COVID is a serious disease.

      puhiawa in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 4, 2020 at 1:23 am

      Yup

My town is pretty left wing with a lot of social bullies. I had a woman who was morbidly obese shriek at me in the grocery store because I wasn’t wearing a mask. I just looked at her and replied that my lack of a mask wouldn’t fix her problems.

There is no cure- but we know an effective inexpensive treatment. Hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin at the first sign of infection. Of course, here in NY, Dictator Cuomo has decreed that that combination can only be given to patients who are – admitted to the hospital, so they’re already in bad shape, have a positive test for covid19, which delays treatment depending on how long it takes to get the test back, and are part of an “approved” study. In other words, a regimen specifically designed to make the combination less effective because Orangeman Bad. And out in Arizona, last I checked, the DEMOCRAT governor has completely forbidden the treatment because Orangeman Bad. DEMOCRATS would rather have their subjects and serfs die than admit Trump may have just possibly been on to something.

As far as the test goes, one of my sons was sent home from the hospital after his second negative test. One before he went in that took 4 days for results to get back, and the one in the hospital that took 12 hours. And as the doctors sent him home they told him “You have covid. The tests return a lot of false negatives. But we’re not allowed to test you a third time.” THEY’RE NOT ALLOWED TO TEST PEOPLE A THIRD TIME! with a test that’s known to have a higher false negative rate than false positive. Some state government weenie decreed that proclamation, and they’re required to obey it.

Every time he talks to his doctor the doctor asks how his parents, in the high risk age group, are doing. We’re fine.

Oh, another thing we know- it’s far less contagious than regular ordinary everyday influenza that we don’t lock up the populace for. Here’s link for that: https://coronavirustruths.godaddysites.com/

At 64, I’m not worried about getting it while shopping. It’s irritating that I now have to grab a cart in some stores because they’ve out the hand baskets away for “Health reasons”.

The height of idiocy I’ve seen so far was a t Lowes. In between customers, the cashier stepped out from behind the desk, sprayed and wiped off the counter, and sprayed and wiped off the plexiglass screen between the customer and cashier- THE PLEXIGLASS SCREEN! That isn’t going to be touched during the transaction. What? The virus is going to jump off it and bite me?

The cashiers are far more likely to get sick from prolonged chemical exposure than they are by customer exposure.

    Your point about the plexiglass screens made me laugh! So true! My local Winn Dixie (a supermarket for those outside the South) has a poor girl outside wiping down shopping carts with some disinfecting agent. My thoughts were along the same lines, why? The virus won’t leap off the cart and attack me, and I know enough not to touch my face (i.e. eyes, nose, mouth–the same protocol I observe every flu season anyway), so how does that help anything? Sigh. The abundance of caution thing usually makes no sense at all, but at least that kid has a job, so that’s something. 🙂

      Firewatch in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 3, 2020 at 9:54 pm

      Are the snowbirds handle lickers? LOL! I’m early 70’s heart/lung problems and refuse to buy the bs. What amuses me is that people are so easily frightened and if they continue they will have a long unhappy life. One person on another board hopes this ends soon so he can stop washing his hands. At least some people see the humor.

      gospace in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 3, 2020 at 10:36 pm

      I’ve never had to explain Winn Dixie as a food store when living in areas with them. Piggly Wiggly on the other hand….

        notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to gospace. | May 4, 2020 at 2:28 pm

        Piggly Wiggly was the first modern grocery store founded in 1916 in Memphis TN.

        Before that you had to wait at the counter while the store clerk filled your grocery order – as we still do at drug stores today.

        Oh all the impulse purchases………..

      What really bothers me is the gloves. Walk into just about any store and employees are wearing gloves. OK. Good so far I guess.

      You know what I don’t see?

      Boxes of fresh gloves. Trash cans full of used gloves. People changing their gloves. In order for gloves to do anything, they must be replaced after any action that can contaminate them.

      They are obviously being required to wear gloves, because…I just want to say people are stupid, but that’s not really fair.

      I would bet that a virus can live longer on a nitrile glove than it can on a bare hand. I would far rather see people without gloves using hand sanitizer frequently, than people wearing gloves that they have worn for who knows how long, that they handle money with, that they scratch their noses with, that they bag groceries with.

    4fun in reply to gospace. | May 3, 2020 at 9:44 pm

    The height of idiocy I’ve seen so far was a t Lowes. In between customers, the cashier stepped out from behind the desk, sprayed and wiped off the counter, and sprayed and wiped off the plexiglass screen between the customer and cashier- THE PLEXIGLASS SCREEN! That isn’t going to be touched during the transaction. What? The virus is going to jump off it and bite me?
    ———————
    I’m kind of reminded of hockey rinks and get tempted to check the person in front of me into the boards.

Once again, the COVID-19 is turning out to be no more deadly than seasonal flu without a vaccine or effective therapeutic treatment. It was hyped as an apocalyptic disease by the news media. The medical community jumped on board, for unknown reasons. The political class horribly overreacted and imposed draconian, unconstitutional restricts on the populous, which have succeeded in largely destroying the US and Global economies. And, even when the data all but proves that the claims made for COVID are bogus, still our political class is determined to destroy the US economy.

Forget masks. Forget social distancing. Forget everything that the MSM and the politicians tell you about Covid.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Mac45. | May 4, 2020 at 2:21 pm

    SUE DEM All back to the stone age
    and back under their rocks.

I wear gloves and no mask. I’m going to say you’re much more likely to get the china flu from someone handling one of the many items on the shelves. I did make a mask if the store wants to force me to wear one. Won’t work well though, it’s the same mesh fabric used on your summer doors. If that isn’t good enough my turkey mask is porous also but in camouflage.
It all seems pretty ridiculous in any case. If someone with the china flu touched a can or package of something you’ve bought how are you going to know?
So now if you’re a nervous Nellie you’ll have to cordon off certain items in the garage for a week for the china flu virus to waste away.
I just keep a Coke bottle of soap and water in the car along with some paper towels. I wash my hands after leaving any store or if I’m touching something that is open to the public. And I don’t touch my face until I’ve washed up.

I think everyone should wear a facemask when protesting.
Have you seen the final scene of “V for Vendetta”?

texansamurai | May 4, 2020 at 9:24 am

my lady is a nurse so am familiar with medical protocols re masks/gloves, etc–fortunately we are not surrounded with all the sjws who seem to go out of their way to remind anyone who will listen that by not wearing a mask, we are killing our fellow countrymen

did finally bow to the social pressure and purchased a wylie e. coyote mask complete with the big ears and long nose and started wearing it when coming inside a venue with a lot of mask wearers–the results have been rather hilarious, including a county sheriff who offered the laconic comment:
” well, it IS a mask. “

BierceAmbrose | May 4, 2020 at 8:16 pm

It’s only a bridge too far because Governor Metaphor there didn’t, couldn’t, or wouldn’t take the people with him.

“You betrayed the duke. You stole his wife. You took his castle. Now, no one trusts you.”

BierceAmbrose | May 4, 2020 at 8:17 pm

“Bridge too far” is an interesting metaphor.

It was only “too far” because the good guys on hand couldn’t push through the resistance of the bad guys on the other side. Perhaps if Governor Opposition didn’t think of his own people as the opposition to be overcome, he, and they, could have gotten there.

Rights Trampled Example #1776. A bank manager scolds and intimidates a socially-distanced customer (in a corner 30 feet away from nearest customer and on opposite side of room from teller line) for pulling their mask below their nose briefly to speak by phone with a bank rep in the branch.

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