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Chinese Troops Cross Into India, Fortify Positions

Chinese Troops Cross Into India, Fortify Positions

Indian media report Chinese military build-up along the Himalayan border

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The border tensions between China and India have escalated once again, after hundreds of Chinese troops crossed into Indian territory. Soldiers of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) breached the Indian border at multiple locations in the northern Himalayan region of Ladakh, Indian media reports said on Saturday.

“Chinese had managed to come well inside the Indian territory and are also conducting aggressive patrols with motor boats in the Pangong lake,” Indian broadcaster NDTV reported. “The Chinese troops crossed 3 km into what India perceives to be its territory South East of the Galwan Valley in eastern Ladakh,” Indian news website The Print confirmed.

The Chinese detained several Indian soldiers during the incursion. “An Indian patrol party was detained and later released by Chinese forces,” NDTV reported. The Indian military refused to comment on the incident.

On Sunday, the NDTV reported the detention of Indian soldiers:

An Indian patrol party was detained and later released by Chinese forces after a scuffle between the two sides in Ladakh earlier this week, sources have told NDTV amid rising tensions between the two countries along the Line of Actual Control. The situation was finally defused after a border meeting of commanders from both sides.

The Indian forces have briefed the Prime Minister’s Office (PMO), detailing the entire sequence of events that took place on near the Pangong lake.

“The situation became very volatile last Wednesday when a scuffle between Indian jawans and the Chinese resulted in detention of some of our jawans but later they were released,” a senior bureaucrat told NDTV.

The border intrusion was followed by a Chinese build-up along the Indian border. Chinese troops “trespassed on Indian territory at three different locations and set up fortified encampments,” Indian strategic expert Brahma Chellaney noted on Twitter.

The newspaper Times of India reported the Chinese military build up:

Chinese military is fast increasing its troops in areas around Pangong Tso lake and Galwan Valley along the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh, sending a clear signal that it was not ready to end its confrontation with the Indian Army anytime soon, people familiar with the situation in the disputed region said.

The Chinese side has particularly bolstered its presence in the Galwan Valley, erecting around 100 tents in the last two weeks and bringing in machinery for possible construction of bunkers, notwithstanding the stiff protest by Indian troops, they said. (…)

Military sources said the Indian Army has also been matching up to the Chinese build-up in both Pangong Tso lake and Galwan Valley and that it is in a much advantageous position in certain other sensitive areas in the region.

The United States backed India amid recent aggressive actions by the Chinese army. Ambassador Alice Wells, the senior U.S. diplomat for South and Central Asia, called Beijing’s behavior towards India provocative and disturbing. “The flare-ups on the border, I think, are a reminder that Chinese aggression is not always just rhetorical. And so whether it’s on the South China Sea or whether it’s along the border with India we continue to see provocations and disturbing behavior by China that raises questions about how China seeks to use its growing power,” she said on Wednesday.

China and India have a long history of border conflicts. Communist China disputes parts of its 2,200 mile Himalayan border with New Delhi. Chinese dictator Mao Zedong made sweeping territorial claims on India after annexing the Buddhist kingdom of Tibet which shared its western border with India. China attacked India in 1962, a war that ended in a devastating defeat for India, which lost around 16,600 square miles of its territory.

India faces the Chinese threat not just on its eastern and northern borders. The military planners in New Delhi are alarmed by Beijing’s so-called string-of-pearls strategy. China is gaining control over a network of strategic ports stretching from the Indian Ocean to the Persian Gulf, giving the Chinese Navy the ability to close India’s shipping lanes in case of a conflict.

The current wave of Chinese aggression in the wake of the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic is not limited to India. In recent months, the Chinese air force has repeatedly violated Taiwan’s air space, an independent nation which Beijing considers a breakaway province.

The U.S. backs India, condemns Chinese ‘aggression’ 

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It’s starting

    You mean the ‘recovery’ from ChiComm damage to our country is beginning.

    Our entire society, legal system, political system, education system and whatever else has been corrupted by the ChiComm, with such WILLING treason by the likes of bill clinton and dianne feinstein. The avalanche started soon after they began to line their pockets with ChiComm bribe money.

    Bisley in reply to gonzotx. | May 25, 2020 at 1:27 pm

    The Indians had better be arming up and snuggling up to Trump — economically, politically and militarily. It’s not the real thing yet, but eventually it will be, and they can’t handle it on their own.

I expect Kamala Harris will introduce another bill in the Senate saying that it’s racist to criticize the Chinese for invading India. She appears to be on the Chinese payroll, just like Breitbart News.

(For those who aren’t aware of Breitbart’s connection to the CCP, see:)
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/14/828565428/bloomberg-news-killed-investigation-fired-reporter-then-sought-to-silence-his-wi

It’s been the plan for a long time. They were hoping to be more subtle about it, but PDJT got in the way.

The massive treason inside our country is more threatening to our existence and lives than the ChiComms and their nukes will ever be.

stevewhitemd | May 24, 2020 at 2:29 pm

I’d appreciate some geographic references that I can find on a map. The locations given in the article don’t help me with Apple Maps, for example. Is this the line of control area west of Nepal?

2smartforlibs | May 24, 2020 at 2:36 pm

I’m betting the US propaganda machine will say its for India’s own good.

SpaceInvader | May 24, 2020 at 2:44 pm

If China provokes a war bomb the dam dam first thing.

One only needs a very small tinfoil hat to start thinking that the WuFlu is a bio-weapon designed to create chaos which can be exploited by China for geo-political and military gains.

    The Friendly Grizzly in reply to Paul. | May 24, 2020 at 4:56 pm

    I have thought so from the start. And I am not exactly a tinfoil hat type.

      I’ve said the same from the very beginning. It’s rather obvious isn’t it?

      The problem with Covid as a bioweapon – who would design a “weapon” that wasn’t even as deadly as SARS, and could only work against an enemy who reacted in the most idiotic way possible and voluntarily destroyed themselves for you? Who would ever bet on that happening?

        Barry in reply to Tom Servo. | May 25, 2020 at 11:39 am

        The chicomms in league with their partners in the USA, the democrats, that’s who.

        Every bit of evidence fits that scenario. And it has worked so far. The economy is tanking and this would normally not benefit the incumbent. I think it may backfire on them however. Trump will win re-election I believe, and he now has no doubt about any chinese intentions, if he ever did have any. He will begin the real process of pulling free of china.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to Paul. | May 24, 2020 at 7:28 pm

    We are told that CCP Wuhan virus DNA dos not show evidence of gene splicing. But, because it has a naturally high mutation rate, old fashioned breeding techniques, where one creates conditions conducive to and steering mutations in the direction one wants.

    Even if China did not intentionally enhance the Wuhan Virus, they sure as hell have been systematically capitalizing on its release.

    It seems to me that CCP has swallowed their own propaganda, that they are suffering from fat head syndrome and that the world needs to collectively punish them in a multitude of ways, perhaps with a dose or two of brute force.

    billdyszel in reply to Paul. | May 25, 2020 at 7:03 am

    “Experts” keep saying it’s not bio-warfare. But if it were, how would it look any different? And what better strategic feint than to make it look like an accident and take all measures to conceal the origin?

      How would it look any different?

      Well, for one, it would be significantly more lethal. At least crippling. Second, it wouldn’t be curable by an ubiquitous drug that’s been around for several decades. It also probably wouldn’t get loosed on your own people first. (Though you might give it to some of your people to spread around.)

      So, it would look a lot different.

        Barry in reply to GWB. | May 25, 2020 at 11:42 am

        Disagree. Look at the result. The western economy is in full destruction mode.

        The chicomms have deniability simply because it is not a deadly movie grade bio-weapon.

          GWB in reply to Barry. | May 26, 2020 at 9:02 am

          And you think they managed to plan that?!? Even Bond villains couldn’t have pulled off that prognostication!

          ultraskeptic in reply to Barry. | May 26, 2020 at 3:17 pm

          We were already headed down the tubes before this latest adventure. The virus just speeded things up a bit and highlighted our numerous failings.

        artichoke in reply to GWB. | May 26, 2020 at 9:17 pm

        But you want it to be contagious while it’s still asymptomatic. That sort of thing is hard/impossible to stamp out, while something that kills its host quickly and obviously, can be easily contained and wiped out e.g. ebola.

        And it creates a lot of fear in the population. In such conditions, command economies do better, because people can be forced to work despite their fears.

given where this is, i imagine the ChiCom logistical supply lie is rather narrow and fragile.

be a damn shame if a B-2 with seep penetrators were to cause a series of major rock slides in several places one night…

cause the PLA AF has SFA in the way of trash haulers, and at that altitude, loads will have to be light, complicated by the fact that parachutes will only be partially effective, meaning each pallet load will have to be correspondingly lighter, meaning less cargo per flight.

as i said, it would be DAMN shame.

    We’d lose a conventional war with them as soon as our missles ran out – which would be rather fast. Even a nuclear war: enough of their 1.6 billion people would still survive. All they have to do is turn out our lights, and every city in America will be decimated by riots.

    And even then: our nation is either ignorant, treasonous or too narcissitic to fight a war against anyone, let alone the 1.6 billion people of China, a population of mostly men, VERY few who are ‘metrosexual’.

    The only gratifying battle with the ChiComms would be one where obama, clinton, pelosi, kerry, biden, feinstein, whitmer and the are tied to the fronts of US military vehicles heading into combat.

      TheOldZombie in reply to TheFineReport.com. | May 24, 2020 at 6:25 pm

      You forget a few things:

      #1 We can turn out their lights as well.

      #2 With 1.6 billion people they literally can not feed themselves without imports. Nor in a lights out situation would they be able to move food around the country.

      #3 They would also suffer riots. Just like America. Only larger. Far larger.

      #4 M.A.D still applies.

        All true. They’d still surivive with more people than our measely population.

        1.6 billion to 350 million?

        They crap more people than we have. Mao murdered 100 million of his own people – that’s 1/4 of our population. They didn’t blink.

        Remember: China is a homogeneous population. (To alexandra cortez: no, they’re not gay; they just all look alike.) They’ll essentially stick together more easily.

        Despite what the US has ever looked like in color of our citizens, we at one time were homogeneous in our “values”. (Look at WW2: Japanese-Americans and black Americans were serving in the armed forces, distinguishing themselves.)

        Those days are over. Until we take back our educational system (if we ever do), they will remain ‘over’.

          Tom Servo in reply to TheFineReport.com. | May 24, 2020 at 11:51 pm

          they still have no ability to project any real power beyond their borders. Conceivably they could make a play for Taiwan, but even that would be hard.

      We’re not going to fight a conventional war with a nuclear power. China can be defeated almost overnight in a nuclear exchange.

      China has no real Navy, no real Air Force. Their military forces, while large, are primarily police forces used to enforce their slave labor state. They cannot feed their people after a nuclear exchange.

      China is not prepared to go up against the only superpower that exists, not for a long time. And they will lose their race as the Americans wise up.

        We need a reality check here:

        Mao murdered 100 million of his own citizens over the course of a very short time. Humans in communist china are disposable.

        We’d be toast in a nuke exchange. Any American unlucky enough to survive would be living in an ACTUAL Dystopian nightmare, not an abstract. The chinese would fall in line and rebuild. They have no history of democracy to fall back on: they’ll do what they’re told.

        Imagine living under a democrat mayor or governor after a nuke exchange? Imagine that terror? – how these leftist tyrants would exploit martial law?

        Face it gang: until we take back our educational system, we are at more risk from our own population than from any external force.

          “We need a reality check here:”

          Yes we do, many of the remaining chinese will starve to death in a few weeks.

          You seem to be under the impression that the “winner” is determined by the number of survivors. It is not. It is determined by which country remains powerful enough to continue destroying the other and controlling the battle space.

          The chinese cannot even project power beyond their backyard now, much less after a devastating nuclear strike.

      JusticeDelivered in reply to TheFineReport.com. | May 24, 2020 at 10:16 pm

      How about cobalt laced nukes, or maybe disposing in a way with widespread dispersal, our hottest nuclear waste, especially plutonium with a quarter of a million year half life.

      China claims that they could survive a nuclear encounter. I do not think so. The real problem, is that if we laid waste to all of China, after effects would probably kill most of humanity. The same applies to dropping asteroids on them.

      On the other hand, all we have to do is put them back into the stone age.

      Alternatively, we could return an enhanced version of CCP’s Wuhan virus, one where we already have a vaccine.

      artichoke in reply to TheFineReport.com. | May 26, 2020 at 9:23 pm

      In our country, there’s a rifle behind every blade of grass, or whatever the Japanese general said during WW2. We cannot be invaded while we are still alive which we still are.

      Bio warfare is the best means of “cleaning up America” in the words of Chi Haotian. Even though we’ve never done anything to them, they need to eliminate us for world domination and a Chinese 21st century.

The furor over the Wuhan virus has made the Chinese feel disrespected. So they thump their chests and bellow to try to win back the lost respect.

This situation could get a lot worse before it gets better.

    gonzotx in reply to irv. | May 24, 2020 at 4:55 pm

    You don’t get respect by staling and murdering hundreds of thousands around the world

    Except for Obama and his gang of globalists trillionaires, everyone is expendable, US citizens included.

    White people are like 8% of the population and they, including his white ass kissers, would like to see that number go down

    “The furor over the Wuhan virus has made the Chinese feel disrespected…”

    Oh, come on. Their moves are entirely calculated, planned long in advance. Given the corruption and treason they’ve been able to foster in the US, they’re moving according to plan.

    All that is in their way is PDJT.

    artichoke in reply to irv. | May 26, 2020 at 9:24 pm

    It hasn’t been about respect for a long time. It’s about territory. We’re sitting on prime real estate that they want.

There is a real problem because the roads are on the Chinese side. The Indian side is too steep. That is why India lost the first time.

    artichoke in reply to puhiawa. | May 26, 2020 at 9:26 pm

    Apparently the Indians were trying to build roads on their side, and the Chinese crossed the line (by quite a few miles in at least one of the places) to stop that.

This War will he horrendous and we will see nukes land in America

I wonder if we have the fortitude

I certainly do not have a Nuke shelter nearby

The [email protected] has arrived in a form of a virus, let’s see what follows

I am glad we have Trump is all I can say

    “I wonder if we have the fortitude…”

    HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

    If America was split in half, and one half led by PDJT, that half would have the fortitude. The half left behind would be burning.

      notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to TheFineReport.com. | May 24, 2020 at 10:54 pm

      I’ve read during the American Revolution that only one-third of the citizens supported the revolutionaries, 1/3 were indifferent or neutral, and one third of the population supported the British.

        Yes, but they were strong people, self-sufficient, capitalistic, with common religious and societial values. No poison within. At worst, some people were royalists. But not corrupt sociopaths and psychopaths.

        We have omar, tlaib, obama, biden, pelosi, kerry, clinton, whitmer, di blasio, garcetti, cuomo, cortez, waters, jackson lee, lightfoot, CAIR, romney, the ny times, harvard, etc.

        I don’t think enough of us realize how rotted we are from within.

          Tom Servo in reply to TheFineReport.com. | May 25, 2020 at 8:27 am

          The one thing in their favor is that at least they’re honest about who they are. You know who’s even more dangerous and traitorous? Bill Kristol, David French, Mitt Romney, Johan Goldberg, Rick Wilson, Ann Coulter, and all of the other pretend “conservatives” who’s only interest is to tear us down from the inside.

          We can’t do anything about foreign enemies until we take care of our domestic enemies, and the worst of our domestic enemies are still trying to destroy us while they’re pretending to be “on our side”.

Seems to me that the Chicoms are probing the wire.

    All according to plan.

    They’re now calling on their not-so-asleep sleeper cells in the US media, congress and everywhere else in US society.

    They’ll destroy us. They’re already 3/4 the way there.

      “They’ll destroy us.”

      Not even close. They’ll destroy their selves.

        Only one bomb has to hit the US.

        If a killing of a black criminal by a white Mexican can fray the fabric of American society, imagine what an inflated flu crisis could do? (Oops. We’ve done that.)

        Now, imagine what a nuke hit will do. Whitmer, di blasio, and the rest of these tyrannical democrat mayors and governors will GLEEFULLY concentration camps.

        More Americans will die from democrat tyrants than any ChiCom bombs.

          Tom Servo in reply to TheFineReport.com. | May 25, 2020 at 8:28 am

          on the other hand, if the nuke is NYC, then at least we don’t have to worry about deh blasio anymore.

          OK, you wish to play the one nuke game.

          Sorry, but we are not limited to one nuke. The submarines sitting off the coast of China will destroy EVERY major city in china within 30 minutes. 30 minutes and china is destroyed including the communist leadership.

          30 minutes.

Not to mention what they are unleashing in Hong Kong.

‘Baroness Thatcher said later that Deng Xiaoping, then China’s leader, told her directly: “I could walk in and take the whole lot this afternoon.”

She replied that China would lose everything if it did. “There is nothing I could do to stop you,” she said, “but the eyes of the world would now know what China is like.”
https://www.quora.com/How-did-Deng-Xiaoping-react-to-Margaret-Thatchers-attempt-to-keep-Hong-Kong?share=1

Well, we do know what they’re like, and it’s not good!

A vote for Biden is a vote for Xi.

Those who expected the Chinese communists to show some humility, post-Wuhan virus, were mistaken.

This is one evil regime, and, they’re demonstrating their increasing belligerence and aggressive attitudes towards a slew of nations, daily. Sooner or later, allied nations are going to have to put a stop to this crap, one way or another.

    If there was a communist prize for evil, the ChiComms would win it this year, hands down.

    They would certainly deserve it: their insideous plan against the US has been persistent, well laid-out, carefully executed, and very profitable.

    Runners-up would be obama, biden, pelosi, feinstein, soros, kerry, clinton, the ny times and harvard.

    artichoke in reply to guyjones. | May 26, 2020 at 9:31 pm

    Also, they’re probably a bit desperate. It was supposed to be a much bigger death toll than it has been. HCQ was supposed to be suppressed better than it has been. That paper from the Indian researchers, describing how the virus works, was very useful. From that many people were able to guess what might work to fight against it, and to know not to wait for usual cold and flu symptoms.

    China was hoping to fight with a much bigger advantage than they’ve gotten from this.

I have to say, I’m a little disappointed by the ease with which China is bullying Indian armed forces around, here. I mean, India has a substantial military, and, some decent equipment. It’s participated in joint exercises with Israel, the U.S. and other allied nations who have serious military chops. My point is, they have the means to repel this kind of stunt, so, why don’t they? It just seems, of late, that the Chinese military does whatever it wants, without drawing any repercussions.

You have to punch a bully in the nose, at a certain point, or else his tormenting antics will continue, unabated.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to guyjones. | May 24, 2020 at 10:51 pm

    Remember Mother Russia and World War II.

    Things are still sorting out.

    Germ warfare remains a very clever weapon in the ChiComm arsenel. They are very sneaky in delivering it, and they are very prepared to survive any outbreak or deaths.

    If you don’t think china put that virus into the world intentionally, I have a bridge I want to sell you.

    Never forget: fauci saw to it that the US gave china MILLIONS for their virus ‘research’ in Wuhan. Willfully compromised or not, fauci is compromised.

    artichoke in reply to guyjones. | May 26, 2020 at 9:34 pm

    China had roads in the area on their side of the border. India was just building roads, and the Chinese intervened across the border to stop them. So China had the tactical advantage there.

    But it’s hard to believe this is how they hoped it would go. Now everyone knows what they did, and they didn’t achieve anything.

BierceAmbrose | May 24, 2020 at 10:27 pm

They’re feeling squeezed; they’re moving early.

China has border disputes with everbody, their basic dispute being that there are borders.

100% of US war games with China have shown the same outcome–we lose

    Barry in reply to Obie1. | May 25, 2020 at 12:45 pm

    Oh BS. Show us some actual war game results involving a nuclear exchange, you know, the ones where China is destroyed 30 minutes after their first launch.

ultraskeptic | May 25, 2020 at 8:51 am

It’s pretty clear that China is now the leading world power. We used to be, but we haven’t unjustifiably invaded anyplace in…. oh….three or four years, and don’t seem likely to do so unless nobody else cares. China, on the other hand, is invading all over, and even building new fortresses in places that didn’t even have land. Meantime, we are purchasing almost everything we need for our routine existence from China, to whom we’ve given most of our technology advantage.
India is in a really tough position. They’ve got the Chinese slowly infiltrating a long stretch of their border, Pakistan doing the same thing on their long stretch of border, and they still have a huge percentage of their population without even toilets. It’s like 22’nd Century attacking on one side, 12’th Century on another, and their population is still living in the BCE era. Hong Kong is down the tubes. Taiwan will soon join them. Tibet is gone, with Nepal now holding to an uncertain future, in much the same place as India, only a much tinier nation.
Meantime, there are paranoids all around us ranting about unlikely hypotheses they are certain are true, leading to further intellectual and emotional uncertainty.
So, threatening as China’s actions are, and reminiscent as they are of our own misdeeds leading up to our present idiotic divisions, the reality is that it’s not national issues that are the fundamental problem: it’s Homo Irrationalis, working diligently to wipe out the world and re-start evolution. Hopefully the next extinction will result in a better outcome, with a more rational regrowth of bipeds.

    Barry in reply to ultraskeptic. | May 25, 2020 at 12:51 pm

    “It’s pretty clear that China is now the leading world power.”

    How many nuclear missile equipped submarines does china have?

    What is their real GDP per capita?

    What is it you use to measure “world power?

      ultraskeptic in reply to Barry. | May 25, 2020 at 2:29 pm

      China’s security is far better than ours. So we have no idea how many powerful military devices they have, though there are some breakthrough vessels now known to be in their navy.
      What is the relevance of GDP? Or, indeed, much of what you are targeting with scorn? North Vietnam was a fifth-world body with essentially no modern arms, but they whipped our asses and then conquered the South when we fled.
      My metric for world power is the same one that was used to formerly describe the US as the leading world power: Who they can tell what to do. China is taking over the world. They are militarily expanding throughout their immediate, huge section of the Globe, and throughout Africa (presumably the last of the undeveloped regions to be conquered by the leading world power). The population is rapidly increasing in income and personal wealth while we are headed in the other direction; they have a number of billionaires, as do we. Their billionaires, however, don’t get subsidized by their working class as do ours – they most likely are supported by our working class; and therefore, my assessment of their ascendance is reflected in those very issues you raise, along with numerous others. It’s the same script we’ve seen numerous times before: in no special order (because I can’t remember the sequence) The Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, French, British, etc. And before them, the Jews, Greeks, Romans, Christians, Mohammedans, etc. Rise and fall, whether bread or nations, it’s immutable, recurrent behavior. A few winners, and a flock of losers.

        texansamurai in reply to ultraskeptic. | May 25, 2020 at 2:53 pm

        China’s security is far better than ours. So we have no idea how many powerful military devices they have
        ___________________________________________________________

        uhmmm….no

        don’t for a minute think that just because of the shyt show extant in the media over the last three years the US doesn’t possess some of the most sophisticated intelligence services/gathering services on planet earth

        the chinese definitely have assets here–you can bet that we have assets there–in addition, we have the assistance of other tier one intelligence services among our allies

        Barry in reply to ultraskeptic. | May 25, 2020 at 2:57 pm

        “China’s security is far better than ours.”

        You have no idea what we know about China.

        “So we have no idea how many powerful military devices they have, though there are some breakthrough vessels now known to be in their navy.”

        See previous reply. Define a “breakthrough vessel” and then tell us what China has.

        “What is the relevance of GDP?”

        It’s a measure of how successful a country is. If you have to ask it implies complete ignorance of power. Military super powers require a significant amount of wealth.

        “North Vietnam was a fifth-world body with essentially no modern arms, but they whipped our asses and then conquered the South when we fled.”

        My goodness but you are ignorant. The North Vietnamese never defeated the United States in a single major battle. None, zero, not once. We were not fighting with the full force and effect of the USA and still the North Vietnamese couldn’t win a single battle. We went home after bombing Hanoi and securing a peace agreement. The North violated the agreement and the communist democrats refused to even send a single $dollar to help the south. Without money they could not hold out. With just a small amount of financial aid they would have been able to fend of the communist north.

        “My metric for world power is the same one that was used to formerly describe the US as the leading world power: Who they can tell what to do.”

        Your metric sucks. Pushing around tiny backward countries is not power and this country has not made a habit of doing that.

        “China is taking over the world.”

        LOL, they will try. But just because they have grown doesn’t mean it will continue.

        “Their billionaires, however, don’t get subsidized by their working class as do ours – they most likely are supported by our working class; and therefore, my assessment of their ascendance is reflected in those very issues you raise, along with numerous others.”

        Their working class doesn’t “subsidize” the chinese billionaires? Have you no knowledge of china? The entire working class in china is a slave class, they have no freedom. The directly subsidize the billionaires, and the billionaires are wholly owned by the chinese communist party.

        Babbling doesn’t mean anything.

        China reportedly has less than 300 nuclear warheads with an unknown number deployable. The United States has over 6000 nuclear warheads with over 1500 deployed at any given moment.

        Our boomers plus those of France and the UK overwhelm the Chinese capability by a factor of at least 5:1. Ours alone accounts for at least a 3:1 factor. And, regardless of count, two things that matter – the chinese cannot track and follow ours and we can track and follow theirs.

          ultraskeptic in reply to Barry. | May 25, 2020 at 6:12 pm

          “China’s security is far better than ours.”

          You have no idea what we know about China.

          “So we have no idea how many powerful military devices they have, though there are some breakthrough vessels now known to be in their navy.”

          See previous reply. Define a “breakthrough vessel” and then tell us what China has.

          RECENT PRESS RELEASES REVEALED NEW SUBS & AIRCRAFT CARRIERS. tHEY ARE NO LONGER LIVING WITHOUT MARINE CAPABILITIES, AS YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY STATED.

          “What is the relevance of GDP?”

          It’s a measure of how successful a country is. If you have to ask it implies complete ignorance of power. Military super powers require a significant amount of wealth.

          HIGH GDP IS NOT NECESSARILY A MEASURE OF SUCCESS. WEALTH IS COMPRISED OF MUCH MORE THAN MONEY, ESPECIALLY CURRENCIES WHOSE VALUE IS DEBATABLE. THE PRINCIPLE POWER OF AN ENTITY, WHETHER AN INDIVIDUAL OR A WORLD POWER, IS THE PRODUCTIVITY AND FOCUS OF THAT ENTITY. CHINA HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT HER POPULATION IS MOTIVATED BY THE SAME PATRIOTIC LOYALTIES AS THOSE IN THIS COUNTRY WHICH LED TO OUR DEPREDATIONS. WE OVERTURNED LOTS OF DEMOCRACIES AND TURNED THEM INTO HORRIBLE DICTATORSHIPS SO CORPORATIONS LIKE ARAMCO & UNITED FRUIT COULD PRODUCE OUTRAGEOUS AND LARGELY UNJUSTIFIABLE PROFITS AT THE EXPENSE OF MASS MURDER OF THEIR CITIZENS.

          FURTHER, CHINA HOLDS HUGE AMOUNTS OF US TREASURIES (NOT WORTH MY LOOKING UP, BUT I REMEMBER LOTS OF MONEY). SO INSTEAD OF FLOWING INTO PERSONAL POCKETS, PERHAPS THEIR NATIONAL AFFLUENCE IS DIRECTED TOWARD BUYING US UP. SO FAR, THEY’RE SUCCEEDING.

          “North Vietnam was a fifth-world body with essentially no modern arms, but they whipped our asses and then conquered the South when we fled.”

          My goodness but you are ignorant. The North Vietnamese never defeated the United States in a single major battle. None, zero, not once. We were not fighting with the full force and effect of the USA and still the North Vietnamese couldn’t win a single battle. We went home after bombing Hanoi and securing a peace agreement. The North violated the agreement and the communist democrats refused to even send a single $dollar to help the south. Without money they could not hold out. With just a small amount of financial aid they would have been able to fend of the communist north.

          THANKS. yEP, I’M IGNORANT. i’M AWARE THAT THEY NEVER WON A MAJOR BATTLE. YET THEY WON THE WAR.AND IT WASN’T JUST MONEY THAT WAS NECESSARY FOR THE SOUTH TO HOLD OUT. THEY HAD TO BE COMMITTED, AS THE NORTH WAS. THE SOUTHERN POLITICIANS WERE TOO BUSY LOOTING TO BOTHER TRAINING THEIR MILITARY, OR ACTUALLY AROUSING THE POPULATION TO SUPPORT THEM, OR TO DO ENGAGE IN ANY OF THOSE OTHER ACTIVITIES ESSENTIAL TO SUCCESS. SO… SO WHAT IF THE NORTH LOST ALL THE BIG BATTLES? THEY WON THE WAR. aND, LIKE YOUR GDP METRIC, THAT’S THE REAL MEASURE TO ACKNOWLEDGE. aND STOP CALLING ME NAMES, PLEASE, i’M NOT BEING RUDE TO YOU. i EVEN DISAGREE WITH DRUMPF, BUT i DON’T CALL HIM NAMES.

          “My metric for world power is the same one that was used to formerly describe the US as the leading world power: Who they can tell what to do.”

          Your metric sucks. Pushing around tiny backward countries is not power and this country has not made a habit of doing that.

          GET A GRIP! WE’VE ATTACKED EVERYONE WE COULD ALL OVER THE WORLD, FROM NEARBY NEIGHBORS TO DISTANT NATIONS. WE OVERTHREW DEMOCRACIES. WE INCESSANTLY SUPPORT THE VIOLENCE SUCH EVIL FOLKS INVOKE TO ASSURE THEIR OWN POWER. i’D LIST ALL OF OUR EVIL AGGRESSIONS, BUT THERE’S NOT ENOUGH ROOM HERE. WE ACTED AS BAD AS MANY OF THE PREVIOUS WORLD POWERS, AND FOR YOU TO DENY THAT IS TO SUGGEST THAT YOU NEED TO LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT OUR OUTRAGEOUS AGGRESSIONS. tHAT’S NOT TO SAY WE NEVER DID ANYTHING RIGHT – WE DID. BUT WE DID AN AWFUL LOT OF AWFUL, EVIL THINGS THAT WERE TOTALLY UNJUSTIFIABLE. IRAN? WE’RE STILL PAYING FOR THAT, AS ARE HUGE NUMBERS OF CITIZENS THERE. GUATEMALA? DITTO. AND THAT’S JUST ONE BRIEF PERIOD OF OUR OUTRAGEOUS ABUSES.

          “China is taking over the world.”

          LOL, they will try. But just because they have grown doesn’t mean it will continue.

          THAT’S TRUE. BUT THE PROBABILITY IS HIGH.

          “Their billionaires, however, don’t get subsidized by their working class as do ours – they most likely are supported by our working class; and therefore, my assessment of their ascendance is reflected in those very issues you raise, along with numerous others.”

          Their working class doesn’t “subsidize” the chinese billionaires? Have you no knowledge of china? The entire working class in china is a slave class, they have no freedom. The directly subsidize the billionaires, and the billionaires are wholly owned by the chinese communist party.

          JUST LIKE OURS.

          Babbling doesn’t mean anything.

          China reportedly has less than 300 nuclear warheads with an unknown number deployable. The United States has over 6000 nuclear warheads with over 1500 deployed at any given moment.

          THIS COULD BE THE MOST IRRATIONAL THING YOU’VE SAID. A COUPLE OF NUCLEAR WARHEADS DISCHARGED OVER OUR COUNTRY OR IN OUR BIG CITIES, AND WE’RE DONE. NO MATTER HOW MUCH DEVASTATION WE COULD IMPOSE ON ANOTHER NATION, ASSUMING WE ACTUALLY KNEW WHO DEPLOYED AND EXPLODED THOSE WEAPONS. i READ A FABULOUS NOVEL A LONG TIME AGO. FORGOT THE TITLE AND AUTHOR, BUT I’LL NEVER FORGET HIS (SORRY, I’M GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT, NOT POLITICALLY) UNEDRLYING MESSAGE. ANYONE WITH A BOMB AND A RENTAL TRUCK CAN WREAK MASSIVE DEVASTATION ON US. OR ON ANYONE ELSE, PRESUMABLY, THOUGH OUR FREEDOMS MAKE US MORE VULNERABLE THAN SOME.

          Our boomers plus those of France and the UK overwhelm the Chinese capability by a factor of at least 5:1. Ours alone accounts for at least a 3:1 factor. And, regardless of count, two things that matter – the chinese cannot track and follow ours and we can track and follow theirs.

          HISTORY IS REPLETE WITH “LOSERS” WHO BLOW THEIR TACTICAL ADVANTAGES WITH STRATEGIC OR TACTICAL BLUNDERS. TIME WILL TELL WHETHER I’M UNREASONABLY PESSIMISTIC. BUT GIVEN THE DEVASTATION CAPITALISM HAS WREAKED ON OUR SOCIETY (IT’S NOT ALL BAD, BUT IT’S HARDLY ALL GOOD), I’D SAY OUR DECLINE IS IRREVERSIBLE. i ONLY WISH I WAS YOUNG SO I COULD SEE HOW THIS ALL PLAYS OUT.

          Barry in reply to Barry. | May 25, 2020 at 6:46 pm

          LOL, when you resort to all caps you’ve admitted your argument sucks.

          You write nothing but bullshit.

          ultraskeptic in reply to Barry. | May 25, 2020 at 7:38 pm

          Nah – despite your reduction to insults in this discussion, I resorted to caps to simplify your ease in distinguishing my responses from what you said. I usually just type in a color in such situations, but I haven’t troubled to learn how to do that on this site, and saw no point in wasting time and effort trying to figure that out, given how unobjective and unanalytical your responses are. “Don’t trouble me with reason; my mind’s made up.”… Barry

          Barry in reply to Barry. | May 25, 2020 at 9:24 pm

          You are a waste of time. However, Ill take a short break and push your stupid buttons.

          “RECENT PRESS RELEASES REVEALED NEW SUBS & AIRCRAFT CARRIERS. tHEY ARE NO LONGER LIVING WITHOUT MARINE CAPABILITIES, AS YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY STATED.”

          So, your “breakthrough vessels are just run of the mill subs and aircraft carriers. Their navy, such that it is, is still non existent when compared to the naval forces of the United States. They are a regional force at best, nothing has changed. They cannot and are not deploying force in multiple theatres of operation around the world.

          “i READ A FABULOUS NOVEL A LONG TIME AGO. FORGOT THE TITLE AND AUTHOR, BUT I’LL NEVER FORGET HIS (SORRY, I’M GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT, NOT POLITICALLY) UNEDRLYING MESSAGE. ANYONE WITH A BOMB AND A RENTAL TRUCK CAN WREAK MASSIVE DEVASTATION ON US. OR ON ANYONE ELSE, PRESUMABLY, THOUGH OUR FREEDOMS MAKE US MORE VULNERABLE THAN SOME.”

          So fabulous you can’t remember the title, or the author. LOL.
          I’ve not said we are immune to attack. I said we have a much greater power than china. They know it and we know it. Only fools don’t know it. China hits us and they will be destroyed in 30 minutes or less.

          Nice try with the caps. No one reads crap like that. Only a fool believes it helps.

If China invades and conquers India a HUGE positive is that there will finally be a power structure in that region willing and able to defy expanding Islam. Centuries of trying to force Islam upon the world is bringing the Mohammedans the retribution they deserve. Drive those barbarians back to their deserts and never allow them to depart and pollute the superior cultures and societies they seek to invade akin to a lethal cancer.

MattLauersNob | May 25, 2020 at 11:15 am

The Indians are big enough and rich enough to fight their own battles. We can sell ’em everything they need.

India has been playing both sides for too long to get a hand from us as an “ally.”

texansamurai | May 25, 2020 at 12:15 pm

can’t see the chicom folks going completely off the rails and opening the nuke box–regardless of their collective numbers(1.4 billion or so), can’t see their ” leadership ” ignoring their own personal sense of self-preservation

they’ve got to know, once THAT box is opened, there will be no more ” rules of engagement “

China’s level of aggression hasn’t moderated at all. Which means war with China is still coming because the situation in the South China Sea cannot be resolved any other way. China wants all the islands claimed by Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines, and Japan and will not give them up without a fight.
Communist China has aggressively initiated this trouble all by itself by refusing to resolve its disputed claims in a manner civilized countries are accustomed to. China has aggravated this situation and should not arbitrarily set its own policy of illegally taking control of disputed territories and militarizing them. Beijing’s unlawful and excessive claims in the South China Sea has demonstrated China cannot be trusted or relied upon as an honorable partner or country. China has angrily rejected the recent verdict by the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, a court ruling that nullified most of China’s claims. China needs to face the reality that Countries are not recognizing their preposterous and illegal claims. They need to settle their claims and be a responsible county rather than act like a renegade and irresponsible regime. Their actions if not curtailed and controlled could lead to a large regional war and vast destruction of their country and people. The United States must respond to China’s belligerence with greater strength, unyielding determination, and more vigorous diplomatic and military measures. President Trump has indicated that he would understand if South Korea and Japan acquired nuclear weapons and the US needs to accommodate their needs by providing a strong nuclear deterrence to China’s illegal and threatening actions. Perhaps Taiwan should be included. If communist China understands that any offensive force will be met with equal destructive force, perhaps their aggressive actions will be controlled short of a surprised attack.

As a frequent traveler to India, I can assure you the Indians despise the chinese.

The Indians have moved ever closer to the USA, encouraged by the current president of the USA.

It’s no mystery why.

It appears that China is now making it’s moves.
In all directions, all at once.

texansamurai | May 25, 2020 at 9:10 pm

A COUPLE OF NUCLEAR WARHEADS DISCHARGED OVER OUR COUNTRY OR IN OUR BIG CITIES, AND WE’RE DONE.
____________________________________________________________

not by a long way–you reference a terrorist action–the semi with a tactical nuke inside(or two, or three)but do not make a distinction between that catastrophe and a deliberate, all-out nuke attack by another soverign nation

such an attack would result in the complete destruction of the aggressor–not only would the world expect it, our own people would demand it–you are obviously unfamiliar with both the size and capability of our nuclear forces

should such a situation occur where a nuclear attack by the chicoms was, in fact, actually being planned/considered, be assured we have the assets to interdict any such plan

    Barry in reply to texansamurai. | May 25, 2020 at 9:26 pm

    He’s (she’s) just another nut, probably a chicomm employee.

    getsome in reply to texansamurai. | May 25, 2020 at 11:36 pm

    No, but a couple of thousand on china and they are. Plus save your EMP breath. It’s boring.

    ultraskeptic in reply to texansamurai. | May 26, 2020 at 8:37 am

    While it’s great to think that bigger is better, that’s not always the case. Two nukes detonated over our country at altitude would produce an EMP that would shut down everything we rely on. EVERYTHING. Depending on what’s going on around the world, there are estimates that 95% or more of our population would die as a result.
    Furthermore, such an act could be done covertly, say missiles fired from a ship close to American shores. No reasonable way to assess the source of the catastrophe. So how could we reasonably retaliate? To be fair, our political geniuses would kill vast numbers of whomever their preferred target is, but that doesn’t mean they hit the right folks. Nor would such retaliation bode well for humankind. 7’th mass extinction? Quite likely.
    So perhaps North Korea would – irrationally – see this as an avenue to promote their own hegemonly by disguising such an attack as Chinese, figuring that with the US & China destroying each other as a result of their initial deception, allowing them to finally achieve some of the aggressive accomplishments they’ve desired for many decades. The fact that they would be badly impacted might not be of concern to them, since their leaders no doubt take the same self-protective actions our pols & the wealthy take here.
    Also, the notion that having multiple-times the number of weapons of mass destruction provides a huge advantage is illusory. If I have twenty guns, and a crook comes in and stabs me with a knife, I’ve got the strategic advantage, but to no positive effect, because I’ll be dead before I can even respond. 6,000 nukes? It would only take a few to destroy the world, given the after-effects of an exchange in our modern, just-in-time, totally dependent on technology world. The only advantages I can think of by our over-capacity is 1/ that it would be very difficult for an aggressor to destroy all our armaments before we might discharge them and 2/ we could use them to break up the Earth into smaller orbital bodies to try to ensure that evolution never re-occurs here. “My football team has 6,000 players. We can surely whip your lousy 300 member team.” There was a famous battle a century or two ago where some small number – a couple of hundred? – Western troops destroyed 40,000 natives of somewhere. Senility hampers my recall. Numbers aren’t everything, though they certainly can be important. But they can also merely be a bigger target.

Note to India. You have nukes. Use them. Aniliate whatever base these thugs came from. Then proceed to recover exactly one half of the 16,000 square miles you lost in 62′. Obliterate all military and CCP bases contained within that 8,000 sq. Miles. Next bracket beijing with unarmed ICBM’s. This should all occur within an hour. Next, remain vigilant but enjoy your victory.

A whole lot of whiny, oh-woe-is-us, China-gonna-beat-us fatalism crap on this thread.

Grow a pair and FIGHT for this country, damnit! Get out there and try changing hearts and minds and recovering the attitudes and principles that made this country so great!

Quit yer bellyaching and get to work!

    ultraskeptic in reply to GWB. | May 26, 2020 at 3:21 pm

    Absolutely right! Bring back slavery. NO votes for women and the poor – oops, that latter seems to be happening already. Invade more countries just like we used to. Overthrow democracies so dictators can kill off their freedom-loving populations and allow big corporations to steal scads of money from the labor of impoverished quasi-slave laborers. Let’s make America great again, just like we used to be.

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