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Wuhan Virus Watch: Two California Doctors Assert ‘Shelter-in-Place’ Orders No Longer Needed

Wuhan Virus Watch: Two California Doctors Assert ‘Shelter-in-Place’ Orders No Longer Needed

Doctors Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi, both licensed California physicians, reviewed data and their COVID-19 experiences on widely shared video…before removal by Youtube for “violating community guidelines”.

Today’s update features two California doctors, who assert that the state does not need the “shelter-in-place” orders.

Doctors Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi are co-owners of a chain of Accelerated Urgent Care facilities, in Bakersfield. They have evaluated the state reports and reviewed the data collecting after conducting more than 5,000 coronavirus tests themselves.

Both medical professionals have concluded that COVID-19 is no more dangerous than a typical seasonal flu, and quarantines are not making any difference in preventing its spread. Additionally, they challenge the accuracy of the models that have been used to develop social distancing policies.

Erickson said at a press conference last week that businesses should begin to re-open and people should begin to go back to work.

He said coronavirus and the seasonal flu are “similar in their prevalence and death rates,” and “now that we have the facts, it’s time to get back to work.”

“Do we need to still shelter in place? Our answer is emphatically no,” he said. “Do we need businesses to be shut down? Emphatically no. Do we need to test them and get them back to work? Absolutely.”

As Erickson notes, “What we are seeing is millions of cases and a small amount of death.”

They arrived at that conclusion by taking the infection rate (the number of cases positive out of the total number of tests done) and extrapolating it to the general population. Statewide, Erickson said, 12 percent of people tested for COVID-19 are positive. Assuming this is the rate of infection among the general population, he estimated as many as 5 million Californians have had the virus (5 million is 12 percent of the state’s population of 40 million).

He then used the number of reported deaths in California — around 1,200 last week — to calculate that 1,200 deaths out of 5 million people who have likely had the virus works out to a .03 percent death rate, which is similar to the death rate for flu.

The doctors’ conclusions about the damage to our immune systems from lockdowns, and related costs (suicides, child and spouse abuse, depression, etc.) are well worth considering. The two men also challenge the idea that a vaccine will solve all the issues related to the spread of COVID-19.

I would have loved to have shared the video, which is nearly an hour long. However, the Thought Police at Youtube took it down because it “violated community guidelines.” *UPDATE: Found it at another site!

Meanwhile, enjoy this clip while it lasts. 23 ABC in Bakersfield posted it, which is an addendum to that teleconference.

The University of Miami says COVID infections in Miami-Dade could be 20x higher than official stats

Meanwhile, a Florida research team, the number of mild cases seems to be on par with the observation of the Bakersfield doctors.

Researchers at the University of Miami said this week that preliminary tests indicate as many as 221,000 residents of Miami-Dade County may have already been infected by the coronavirus, a rate 20 times greater than the current official tally of infections.

Scientists from the Sylvester Comprehensive Cancer Center at the university’s Miller School of Medicine revealed in a virtual meeting on Friday that a county-wide COVID-19 survey, which followed 1,400 participants over a two-week period, indicated that at least 4.4 percent, and as much as 7.9 percent of the county, could have already contracted the coronavirus.

That is a substantially larger number than the official data set logged by the state of Florida, which on Saturday afternoon had recorded just over 11,000 infections in Miami-Dade County, far and away the most out of any county in the state.

Top German paper demands $165 billion coronavirus reparations from China

The Germans are now looking for some reparations for the pandemic.

A top German newspaper says China kept the “world in the dark” about the coronavirus — and should fork over $165 billion in reparations to the Fatherland because of it.

Bild ran the piece last week by editor-in-chief Julian Reichelt that questioned whether China “should pay for the massive economic damage the coronavirus is inflicting worldwide,” according to Fox News.

“You [President Xi Jinping], your government and your scientists had to know long ago that coronavirus is highly infectious, but you left the world in the dark about it,” Reichelt wrote in the piece titled “What China owes us.”

6 Bay Area counties extend shelter-in-place orders through the end of May

Six of California’s Bay Area counties announced in a joint statement they’d be extending shelter-in-place orders through the end of May, despite data and common sense.

The extended orders affect Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin, San Francisco, San Mateo, and Santa Clara counties, as well as the City of Berkeley, which has its own public health department.

Full details are expected to be released later this week, the health officers said, and “will include limited easing of specific restrictions for a small number of lower-risk activities.”

The current shelter-in-place restrictions for the six Bay Area counties were set to expire on May 3, though California’s statewide stay-at-home order that was issued in March has no set expiration date.


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Being that this goes against the dictators holding their absolute, unconstitutional, powers they took for themselves, I can imagine these doctors will be getting a visit, or reassigned somewhere.

There was another Dr. who said things the totalitarians didn’t like, he was reassigned and his video curtailed.

    Exiliado in reply to oldgoat36. | April 28, 2020 at 7:17 am

    “That’s a nice chain of Accelerated Urgent Care facilities you have there. It would be a shame if something happened to it.”

      MarkSmith in reply to Exiliado. | April 28, 2020 at 8:47 am

      I don’t like what you wrote here. You are implying something bad should happen to their business. Even if is is sarcasm, it is in poor taste.

      I saw their video and posted the link on the Brix thread. They were at 4.6 M views then. I would love to know what “YouTube rules” they violated. We need a new video platform that can compete with YouTube” It is a true monopoly. Same with the search engines. Bongino keeps bringing up another twitter alternative that I need to look into.

      It is scary how much thought control is being applied.

        YouTube has posted that any video contradicting WHO edicts will be removed as “disinformation.” I’m more scared of this groupthink pro-Chinese propaganda that the virus.

        daniel_ream in reply to MarkSmith. | April 28, 2020 at 9:21 am

        It is a true monopoly.

        Don’t be asinine. Your inability to Google for “alternatives to Google” is not the same thing as a monopoly.

        The fact that you can Google for “alternatives to Google” means they don’t have a monopoly.

          MarkSmith in reply to daniel_ream. | April 28, 2020 at 10:36 am

          “Don’t be asinine. Your inability to Google for “alternatives to Google” is not the same thing as a monopoly.”

          Well daniel_ream, I would suggest you do a little more research on this. I have been around to see search engines come and go (starting with Gopher). There are 4 majors – Google, Bing, Yahoo and Ask. All other search engines seem to use these engines as a mainstay. Google has been changing their model for years and slowly returning results that conforms to what they want you to see instead of returning what you are really looking for (thus the advent of google bombs and businesses that can improve your company being in search results). Since DuckDuckgo uses these sources, it is also influenced by their controls.

          If you can’t see that Google and Microsoft is a monopoly you have drank the cool aid.

          BTW, do you know who is behind DuckDuckGo? Do you know that Union Square Ventures endorsed candidate: Hillary Clinton.

          After Spygate, I don’t trust anyone. Throw in a mix of Anonymous and you really have 1984. With censure of Twitter, Reddit, Google, and Youtube, we are lucky we get anything we are looking for.

          There was a cool 3D experimental contextual search engine that came out early 2000’s that I loved. It disappeared fast. Why? Maybe because it allowed you choose based on associations. ie search on bat – one leg baseball, one leg animal. IBM Watson is based on this.

          Sorry but I guess I am asinine. Since you understand technology so well, maybe you can explain how tech is not controlling our content? We keep losing a little of our control day by day. Might have to jump to the dark side to get good information.

        nordic_prince in reply to MarkSmith. | April 28, 2020 at 9:29 am

        Alternative to YouTube==>

        That’s why a lot of content creators are putting up stuff on Bitchute as well.

        The original full video was put out by the tv station (ABC 23 I think) With all the censorship going on, I hope those doctors got their own copy of the master. That’s good advice for ANYONE who grants an interview to any news outlet.

          MarkSmith in reply to nordic_prince. | April 28, 2020 at 10:45 am

          My biggest fear is that between the hacks and the establishment, they will such down everything like they are doing with YouTube and Twitter. Trump beat them at their game with Twitter and the daily press conferences, but they are trying to shut those down too.

          I suggest reading We Are Anonymous and @War, The rise of the Military-Internet Complex. The darkside does not care about anyone but to create a state of chaos.

        Youtube’s claim of rule violation is dubious, in that there was a TOS when I signed up years ago that required my acceptance before account creation (IIRC). That I can recall, I have never gotten notice of a change in TOS from Gmail, Google, Youtube, that required my supplemental approval to proceed / continue using their service. I have quit a few sites over a change in their TOS. Presently considering ending my Amazon Prime sub – I’m not happy with their abrupt and unilateral change to PRIME 2-day shipping to “whenever we get around to it – Covid you know” policy.

        Censorship (presumably for ideology) is affecting my parody songs – one is under threat of removal for a baseless copyright claim – not by the original songwriter (Johnny Cash/estate), but by another lyricist who also parodied Johnny’s song and hit me with a copyright claim for using what they claimed is their melody. You’d think pointing out that it is not their melody since it was written by JC nearly 50 years earlier would be sufficient to remove the baseless copyright strike, but no. Youtube uses an automated content ID system that makes no distinction between a (C)opyright (of printed music) and (P)honogram (sound recording) registration. I’ve appealed and expect to win – but the claimants (presumably Youtube) are just letting it drag out until the copyright claim expires (30 days after filing appeal if no response). Youtube doesn’t work like the justice system where there’s a stay of judgment pending appeal. And if I don’t win the appeal, it results in a copyright strike for which they can remove my channel. Their “process” is not at all transparent and effectively discourages me from posting more content.

        zennyfan in reply to MarkSmith. | April 28, 2020 at 5:03 pm

        The statement is taken from old gangster movies, where mafiosi and other mobsters used the phrase to persuade shopkeepers and other small businesspeople that paying protection money would prevent thugs from torching their businesses or worse. It’s part of our culture.

    If I heard them correctly, they are partners in their own medical services business. Also, if it is true (which I believe) that their findings are the accepted view of most of their fellow doctors on the front lines, subjecting them to punitive actions would trigger a broad reaction.

    It’s up to us to jump all over any such action were it to occur and chase it up the ladder until we expose “the man behind the curtain”. We are the proverbial snarling wolf these tyrants are holding back by the ears. Eventually, their arms will give out and we will eat them.

Just think for a moment, about what youtube is doing.

    I think the WHO should be disqualified for any advice on Covid-19. But then, I don’t tow the Chinese Commie propaganda line in vogue at WHO.

    DaveGinOly in reply to Exiliado. | April 28, 2020 at 1:46 pm

    What the WHO (a mouthpiece for the CCP) says is OK. What actual doctors working with patients are saying is questionable and must be censored.

    YouTube is carrying water for the ChiComs. YT is arguably worse than the WHO, because YT is not laboring under any obligation to the ChiComs (as is the WHO), they’re doing it voluntarily because they’re tyrants with standing of their own.

I am not advocating recklessness. But cowering in fear is not a solution. There is something to the aphorism “You can’t fool Mother Nature”. This virus will one its course and the “modelers” will always be 4 steps behind.

The fact that this video would be banished by unaccountable, unknown entities tells us all we need to know about what the real problem is and the true nature of this virus.

There are very highly organized and powerful forces doing everything they can to keep science out of the discussion. Just like global warming. They are doing exactly what the Nazis did in the 1930s to gain political power. Citing science.

This isn’t science. I call it “scientism” where scientists voice their personal opinions as a block based on flawed scientific data and then destroying anyone who wants to review/challenge the data and process (because the science is “settled”). Anyone who disagrees with this block of “scientists” are “deniers” or “anti-science” or “murderers” etc…

We’ve seen this before and we see it in this video too. Most of the questions (if you can make them out) were politically oriented. But at least they listened to the answers.

So put out this video? The doctors? If it was one or more of the reporters, kudos to them. We need more of this.

    Correction (word got clipped out): WHO put out this video?

    TX-rifraph in reply to Pasadena Phil. | April 28, 2020 at 7:50 am

    “The fact that this video would be banished by unaccountable, unknown entities tells us all we need to know about what the real problem is and the true nature of this virus.”

    Absolutely correct!

    BEdwards in reply to Pasadena Phil. | April 28, 2020 at 8:59 am

    I sincerely believed that all the conspiracy theories about the validity of the lockdown were nonsense and clickbait – until last night when this video was removed. It’s beyond chilling and disturbing how the social media moguls are manipulating people. I’m losing faith in Trump as well, I’m sorry to say.

      DaveGinOly in reply to BEdwards. | April 28, 2020 at 2:33 pm

      Trump is faced here with a situation for which his business acumen did not prepare him. He is forced to rely upon “the experts” lest he be accused of not believing in “science.”
      You and I both know he’s damned by the media no matter what he does. In this case, relying on the “experts” hasn’t shielded him from accusations, as any alternative course would have likewise opened him up to aspersions.

    Sanddog in reply to Pasadena Phil. | April 28, 2020 at 9:28 am

    23 ABC out of Bakersfield posted it on Youtube. Now of course, two “national physician’s groups” (AKA lobbying groups) have condemned it. They claim the video is full of misinformation but amazingly enough, they provide no evidence, no numbers, to back up their claims.

    nordic_prince in reply to Pasadena Phil. | April 28, 2020 at 9:32 am

    “You know who your masters are by whom you are allowed to criticize.”

    daniel_ream in reply to Pasadena Phil. | April 28, 2020 at 9:35 am

    This isn’t science. I call it “scientism”

    The somewhat looney Isaac Bonewits also coined this term in the 1970s, meaning much the same thing: using the trappings of science (white lab coats, universities, advanced degrees) to gain credibility for some position that actual science didn’t support.

May Day is coming, time for Americans to rally and say NO to Constitutional usurpers. Refuse those worthless masks, go to the beach, the park, BBQ in the yard, walk the sidewalks, fill the parks and reclaim what has been stolen, freedom.

Are we experiencing a test run of how to effect the revolution without firing a shot? Centralized medical care does appear to be the key, doesn’t it? Put the counterrevolutionaries out of business.

UnCivilServant | April 28, 2020 at 8:29 am

These Cower in Place orders were never needed, and beyond the legitimate authority of the government to issue.

“Top German paper demands $165 billion coronavirus reparations from China”

This is quickly turning into avalanche. Nations could soon be united in targeting a global selective default on sovereign bonds held by China. So much for their currency reserves. And their oil reserves are mostly parked in ports which won’t be much use should they declare open warfare over Taiwan and/or control of the China Sea. The walls are caving in.

Meanwhile, the governor#resistance cabal continues to unravel:

So far, the courts have been very sensible. Maybe the fear of torches and pitchforks is finally resonating.

Here is a mirror. Not sure if it is being altered. Rechecking.

    DaveGinOly in reply to MarkSmith. | April 28, 2020 at 1:54 pm

    Thanks! I’m downloading it right now!
    I made the mistake of only queuing up the video last night, with the intention of watching it today. I should have downloaded it last night. I didn’t imagine that this video actually violated YouTube’s terms or that it would be considered “subversive.”
    (FYI, I use Xilisoft Download YouTube Video. It’s freeware – in it’s basic form – and VERY easy to use.

Is YouTube – Google evil ?

See the UK data at

If you are under 50 and especially under 15, the danger is not that great statistically compared to a bad seasonal flu. If you are over 70 the danger is very real and very serious and rises with age, compounded by any pre-existing conditions. And if, as in Northern Italy or New York, your hospital system is overwhelmed, that is very bad. There is a lot we don’t know about this disease. We need to be thinking about how to reopen the economy while protecting the most vulnerable, i.e. the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions.

    Mac45 in reply to Cache. | April 28, 2020 at 12:02 pm

    Protecting the most vulnerable is simple; let them stay home, let them limit their visitors and other public contacts. DUH. But, instead the whole world shut down harming those least at risk, while providing little protection for the most vulnerable to the virus. And, we knew which groups were most vulnerable long before we shut down the entire world.

    You people have to wake up and realize that the actions taken in response to COVID-19 had NOTHING to do with saving lives. NOTHING. It was designed to cripple the world economy and to destroy te rising populist trend by making almost every worker dependent upon government largess. The COVID virus is turning out to be nothing more than the flu. And, we have never shut down society or the economy for any disease, in modern times. It was all a scam. The media sold it and the politicians implemented it. And, the rich and powerful lost nothing while the common man got hosed.

    Quit drinking the KoolAid and wake up.

      alaskabob in reply to Mac45. | April 28, 2020 at 12:10 pm

      Wait until the vaccine comes out with demands that the whole world must be vaccinated…ala small pox and polio. Instead of drinking the Kool-Aid it will be injected.

        DaveGinOly in reply to alaskabob. | April 28, 2020 at 2:00 pm

        Interesting that you mentioned polio.

        Polio was known as “the rich kids’ disease.” Poor kids didn’t get it, or, more correctly, they caught it young, developed immunity to it, and didn’t suffer from adverse effects. When caught later in life (e.g. teenage years), the immune system is no longer able to deal with it before it inflicts its paralysis.

        “Rich kids” suffered most from polio because they were raised in environments that were too clean, and were not exposed to polio when very young. Just like the doctor in the video says, we need exposure to pathogens to have an effective, robust immune system.

        Mac45 in reply to alaskabob. | April 28, 2020 at 7:40 pm

        An effective vaccine for a corona virus. Good luck. Because of the rapid mutation of this class of viruses, effective vaccines are of limited use. In addition to having an efficacy rate of from 20-50%, they only produce antibodies which are effective for two to three years. So for any given corona virus or influenza virus, a person has to be inoculated at least every two years. Talk about a cash cow. Even with the vaccines for influenza, we still see 4+ million cases a year with 15,000-80,000 deaths a year. Yep, vaccines are the answer.

      Cache in reply to Mac45. | April 28, 2020 at 2:19 pm

      Re protecting the elderly: We need senior-only shopping hours, food deliveries in some cases, and much, much better nursing home conditions. Hospitals in NY and MA have been sending COVID-19 patients to nursing homes. This is a very dangerous practice.


      “At least 7,000 COVID-19 deaths have occurred among people living in or associated with nursing homes, according to a New York Times investigation, meaning 1 in 5 coronavirus deaths in the U.S. are tied to a nursing home.

      Transferring COVID patients from hospitals to nursing homes threatens to make the problem worse. In addition to housing the most vulnerable Americans, many nursing homes already have poor infection control records. Personal protective equipment is hard to come by, and testing kits are often scarce.”

        bhwms in reply to Cache. | April 29, 2020 at 11:11 am

        One of the things that Florida did was prevent the transfer of COVID positive patients to or back to nursing homes. NYC did the opposite. Florida should be a statewide hotspot given its concentration of elderly population.

      ronk in reply to Mac45. | April 28, 2020 at 5:17 pm

      I don’t disagree with you, but to equate people living in nursing homes with elderly living by themselves is beyond stupid, the people in nursing homes, or extended care facilities are basically confined to a small area, what do you expect to happen when you introduce a virus to that scenario, it will spread quickly, kind of like when store have hours specifically for seniors you put them all together, If I were a conspiracy theorist, I would say that is societies way of getting rid of the elderly. just to throw evolution into the mix, what was one of Darwin’s theories, survivor of the fittest, think about it, most of us over 70 crowd, had all the child hood diseases, you know chickenpox, measles, mumps, etc, how many other varieties of illness that’s 70 years of ‘flu’ strains. sorry but there is something very fishy about the ‘Wuhan’ virus, the entire story has not been told yet.

    If you’re 70+, the flu is also dangerous. The threat of flu here (PNW) sends a great number of seniors to the south for winter – snow-birds – where heat/sun helps them avert colds and flu, arthritis flare-ups, etc.

    As for underlying conditions, I can’t count the number of times an elderly acquaintance died from contracting the flu after falling and breaking a hip, etc. It’s expected that disease exploits weakened immune systems. Why is Covid any different?

Now an ER doctor in NYC of all places echoing the same thing (Fox repost of NY Post article with full link in article)

I’m sure he will be discredited too – based on where he got his degree and that he’s not an ivory tower “public health professional”

If there is a very bad second wave coming as some have predicted then having exposed the populace to the fist wave would have given some immunity. The shut in leaves people more vulnerable to a stronger next wave. A three part series (gasp still on YouTube) looked at the 1918 Spanish flu. The narrator is from Tulane. In mid portion of part two there is a telling quote. While present “history” says the lax Philadelphia response to the lock down killed more, the series says Philadelphia was not any different . I still think the East Coast version is deadlier due to potentiation from first going through Europe as well as that strain being more virulent to start with. Since China destroyed the initial samples and has provided the official CCP strain we will never know the serologic history.

    cktheman in reply to alaskabob. | April 28, 2020 at 2:05 pm

    This whole “second wave” stuff is nonsense. For all the crap posted online about how this is not “the flu” and how we can’t compare it to “the flu” because it’s novel and all that jazz – apparently that only applies when it fits the narrative and all other comparisons are fine.

To me it’s the 2016 election all over again.

Experts. Pants. Pulled down.

Not ONE presented a curve close to reality. Not one. Many revisions later…they are still over estimating the virus.

I mean how bad is it when NOT one expert saw the potential for a mild outbreak?

Whatfinger –

‘Fear of it is being over-amplified’: ER doctor claims it’s time for country to get back to work

The article indicates that:

The doctors received pushback from others within their field, including the American College of Emergency Physicians and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine.

The American College of Emergency Physicians is the heavy hitter giving money to everyone according to open secrets.

They spread their money evenly, but the big dollars go to

Hoyer, Steny H (D-MD) $10,000
Ruiz, Raul (D-CA) $10,000
Matsui, Doris (D-CA) $10,000
Pallone, Frank Jr (D-NJ) $10,000
Pascrell, Bill Jr (D-NJ) $10,000
Paulsen, Erik (R-MN) $10,000
Pelosi, Nancy (D-CA) $10,000
Flake, Jeff (R-AZ) $5,000
Sinema, Kyrsten (D-AZ) $10,000
Blumenthal, Richard (D-CT) $10,000

They are a butt kissing Lobby with a slant for the troublemakers based on $ amounts that that they spend.

ACEP-AAEM Joint Statement on Physician Misinformation

As owners of local urgent care clinics, it appears these two individuals are releasing biased, non-peer reviewed data to advance their personal financial interests without regard for the public’s health.

My opinion, as owner of a kiss butt lobbying firm that opinion lacks peer review, you are stiffing free speech. Maybe your lobbying should be ban.

    MarkSmith in reply to MarkSmith. | April 28, 2020 at 12:46 pm

    BTW, what proof does the ACEP have that it is intended to advance their personal financial interests?

    Sounds like a lawsuit to me with such slander.

Here is the entire deleted version (1+ hours):

American Thinker Today on story about reddit:

The forum immediately took off soon after Donald Trump ran for president. At that time, the forum was hugely popular and continued to grow in subscribers. It created numerous memes and galvanized Trump’s fans to become more politically active. When the mainstream media tried to ignore Trump, many members could get their news from the forum and air their opinions on it. It was like a virtual Trump rally.

Noting this, the leftist CEO of Reddit aimed to dismantle The_Donald. He would secretly edit posts from the subreddit to discredit its users. Later on, right before the Democratic primary debate, he quarantined the community, forcing members to go through a warning portal before allowing access.

The journalists at this conference don’t seem to understand that they’re wary of the doctors’ testimony even though they are citing the latest data, while they are defending government action that was instigated weeks ago before this kind of data was available. They’d prefer to stick with the status quo even though it was established in the absence of the data necessary to make an informed decision.

The virus reaction has largely become politicized, on the Dhimmi-crat side, as a political weapon with which to pummel conservatives, at-large, and, Trump, in particular. THat’s why rationality and the Dhimmi-crat’s alleged/professed love of “science,” have gone out the window, replaced by Dhimmi-crats’ infantile and irrational hysterics and totalitarian antics.

If there is still anyone left that hasn’t realized this is a deliberate attempt to crash the economy and overwhelm the welfare system then they should get in line for their moron cards.

UGETUBE.COM may be a good place to create an account and archive anything we come across that is at risk for being ghosted by our overlords at alphabet inc. The detail on Leslie’s link is here:

Ugetube also has the ghosted Tara Reade item from Larry King:

    ronk in reply to Mark30339. | April 28, 2020 at 5:20 pm

    the best place is to down load it and keep it on your own pc and back it up to a disk etc. in the ‘global warming’ arena they have been rumours that the recorded data was altered

Accept that youtube, twitter, facebook google search are corrupt and essentially propaganda for the democrat party.

For video, use For web search, use

healthguyfsu | April 28, 2020 at 3:39 pm

I watched yesterday. I don’t think their arguments were flawless, but I also didn’t see a reason they should be removed.

Alternative to Youtube with the censored video.
This shows that it really is impossible to censor on the Internet, because people can repost elsewhere and still get the word out,

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | April 30, 2020 at 2:28 am

Laura Ingraham on time to open up.