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Romney to vote to convict and remove Trump for abuse of power

Romney to vote to convict and remove Trump for abuse of power

“The president’s insistence that [the Bidens] be investigated by the Ukrainians is hard to explain other than as a political pursuit.”

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1225134025834147842

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT) confirmed the Republicans’ worst fear. He will vote yes to convict and remove President Donald Trump from office on the charge of abuse of power.

Romney agreed with the House managers that the president is “guilty of appalling abuse of public trust.” He also agreed that Trump’s actions were “a flagrant assault on our electoral rights, our national security, and our fundamental values.”

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Insist? A “hey check out so and so too” isn’t an ‘insistence”

    Close The Fed in reply to gwsjr425. | February 5, 2020 at 2:46 pm

    He should have insisted. He’s the chief law enforcement officer as well as commander-in-chief. The buck stops with him.

    Who is primarying Romney? When is his term up?!

      Close The Fed in reply to Close The Fed. | February 5, 2020 at 2:51 pm

      O.k., his term ends Jan. 2025.

      Four years is plenty of time for someone to build a campaign and defeat him.

      Who’s got potential in Utah? Evidently, maybe not Mia Love.

        Tom Servo in reply to Close The Fed. | February 5, 2020 at 3:42 pm

        I don’t think Romney even runs for re-election now – that was his big decision today. He’s one and done, and he’ll be 77 when his Senate term ends. He’ll just be a historical footnote of spite.

          UserP in reply to Tom Servo. | February 5, 2020 at 5:50 pm

          He’ll probably switch to Democrat before he’s done. Because that’s what he is.

          Close The Fed in reply to Tom Servo. | February 5, 2020 at 6:10 pm

          Gee, I don’t know about that.

          Many senators have had to be removed by gurney in their late 80s/90s.

          You know, more or less, they left feet first.

          Folks love the place. I guess it’s a sweet gig.

        Unfortunately, the Mormon Church plays a major role in Utah politics. That’s why Mittens chose Utah to carpetbag to. 40% of Utah’s population in non-Mormon, but every member of Congress from Utah is Mormon and it’s been that way for a long time.

How far Mitt has fallen.
I have zero respect for him anymore.

    PDJT has unmasked romney as a malignant narcissist. Romney isn’t merely a ‘rat’, he’s a very sick guy, and there is no limit to rottenness.

    4 Behaviors That Unmask Narcissists:

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/tech-support/201601/4-behaviors-unmask-narcissists

    His ‘nice guy’ mask fell off after candy crowley bitch-slapped him on national tv. PDJT’s later showing mittens how to become president has driven him to a point of evil.

    This makes one wonder what home life is like for Ann Romney. Is she being emotionally abused? Gaslighted? An interview with her conducted by someone familiar with the kind of creep romney actually is would be most revealing.

    Paul In Sweden in reply to lc. | February 5, 2020 at 5:23 pm

    Fallen? Romney has always been Romney. I always say, if you can’t say something that will not get you put on a No Fly List, don’t say anything at all. So, I guess I have little to say. I will point out that American Carnage by Tim Alberta states:

    “But the feathering of Romney was effective largely because Republicans had supplied the tar. Gingrich cronies had flooded South Carolina with ads depicting the predatory ways of Romney and Bain Capital. Perry had called Romney’s colleagues “vultures” that were “waiting for a company to get sick, and then they swoop in, they eat the carcass, and they leave the skeleton.”10 Even Palin had gotten in on the act, going on Sean Hannity’s television show to question Romney’s claim of creating one hundred thousand jobs at Bain and needling him for his failure to release more tax returns.”

    There is more there in American Carnage, and we all know where to find similar elsewhere. The Tea Party remnants knew Romney was for Romney and nothing else. They should have terminated his career at the govt. teat then. The RINOs and GOPe have to go. They dress themselves in “honor” but honor to what and whom? Nobody should be surprised by Romney but everybody should be furious.

      Romney was avidly pro-choice when running for the senate from Massachusetts. When he needed to morph into a pro-life stature to get the presidential nomination, he couldn’t change fast enough. Mittens is a fraud and has always been a fraud.

What a rat. I hate rats.

    Firewatch in reply to B Buchanan. | February 5, 2020 at 2:32 pm

    Willard the rat.

      userpen in reply to Firewatch. | February 5, 2020 at 2:48 pm

      Not just a rat, but a dirty, stinking, low down rat. From this point on, let no Republican ever be caught associating with this traitorous, vile skunk. Let him live the rest of his life with his Democrat comrades with whom he loves, relates, associates and identifies with. And let Utah send him back to Massachusetts where he belongs. There’s a special place in hell for never Trumpers who have chosen to vote condemn Trump out of hatred rather than principle.

    fscarn in reply to B Buchanan. | February 5, 2020 at 2:37 pm

    And they get to brag that the vote to convict was bipartisan.

    Of course that’s not quite true since Mittens is anything but a conservative. He’s actually one of them.

Mittens is just mad that Trump had the cajones to actually campaign and WIN an election, instead of throwing it so the Demonrat could win.

he’s lower than whale feces at the bottom of the ocean.

And the dirty bastard should be stripped of his committee assignments and given an office in a broom closet. But Republican leadership won’t have the huevos to do anything.

Honestly, who of us didn’t see shenanigans like this transpiring from the moment he announced he would run for that Senate seat?

He’s a McCain Turncoat Award recipient. And a putz.

Morning Sunshine | February 5, 2020 at 2:29 pm

“There’s no question in my mind that were their names not Biden, the president would never have what he did.”
and if their names were not Biden, they would never have received that kind of money-for-work that they got.

I am starting to believe the rumors that Romney’s own kids are involved in Burisma as well

    How could they possibly be without it being a matter of public record? None of them have any connection to the Ukraine at all.

      Oh come on, there are plenty of ways to be involved with companies and other financial instruments anonymously. Many countries create opaque banking and legal systems for this very purpose, in order to attract the business of criminals, oligarchs and their clingers on.

      I’m not saying Romney’s kids are involved as I have no knowledge of this one way or the other. But you’re just making unsubstantiated statements like they’re fact again, and you’re wrong. They could easily be involved without it being a matter of public record.

        Milhouse in reply to Paul. | February 5, 2020 at 3:55 pm

        Sure, and you could be a triple murderer, but I have no reason to suppose you are one, so it would be irresponsible for me to suggest it. The null hypothesis does not need evidence; the onus of proof is on anyone challenging it.

      RodFC in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 4:57 pm

      Joseph Cofer Black

        Milhouse in reply to RodFC. | February 5, 2020 at 5:14 pm

        Is not one of Romney’s children, and as far as I can tell has no connection with Romney except for having been involved in his presidential campaign.

          Concise in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 6:27 pm

          Yeah, no connection whatsoever, apart from having been a top advisor for Romney’s presidential campaign. Strange how many Americans found their way onto the board of directors of a Ukrainian gas company. Almost makes me believe something corrupt was going on here.

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 11:15 pm

          Getting involved in a campaign does not create a personal connection with the candidate that lasts past the campaign’s end. Or do you think everyone involved in the Trump campaign is a personal crony of Trump, whose business activities years later somehow reflect on Trump.

          And there’s certainly no comparison to the candidate’s children.

          Imagine your outrage if someone were to claim that Trump’s son was involved in some sleazy deal, and then when challenged they were to admit they were actually talking about Manafort or someone like that. You would be livid. And yet you seem to have no problem doing the exact same thing to Romney.

          That’s why it needs to be investigated. It sure would help explain why Romney is so afraid of Trump. Let’s see how he fares after the Dunham report is released. I’m expecting him to be among several other people to be proven to have been involved in that scandal.

Romney will be the first Senator in the history of the Republic to vote to convict a President of his own Party. A vote best not in principle put personal pique.

There is no reason for him to remain in the Republican Caucus any longer. The sooner he joins up with Schumer and the Democrats the better.

    Cogsys in reply to dystopia. | February 5, 2020 at 3:03 pm

    Are you certain of this? Wasn’t Andrew Johnson voted against by members of the party?

    Milhouse in reply to dystopia. | February 5, 2020 at 3:52 pm

    Don’t be ridiculous. We need his vote. Look at his voting record; do you really want to lose him, just to satisfy your pique that he went his own way this one time?

      rdmdawg in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 4:02 pm

      His voting record where it counts? The biggest vote of 2020 and this guy goes with the Dems. Shame, shame, shame.

        Milhouse in reply to rdmdawg. | February 5, 2020 at 4:16 pm

        This is not the biggest vote of 2020. There are many much more important votes, where we need him. And dumping him would guarantee that he will vote against us.

          Concise in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 6:22 pm

          Not the biggest vote of 2020? Voting to remove the president? Was there another vote that I missed this year?

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 11:18 pm

          There have been and will be far more important votes.

          First of all this vote didn’t matter — the president was not going to be removed no matter how Romney voted, whereas his vote is crucial on things that actually matter.

          Second, even if Trump were somehow removed, the country would be safe in Pence’s hands. It might even be better off. Whereas losing all those other votes, e.g. for nominations, would be very bad.

      UserP in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 4:03 pm

      “Look at his voting record.”
      No one can predict how Romney will vote in the future. But this is probably a turning point for him. My guess is he will probably vote mostly with democrats from now on.

        Milhouse in reply to UserP. | February 5, 2020 at 4:15 pm

        If he’s made unwelcome in the Republican caucus then your prophecy will be fulfilled. If not, then he is likely to continue voting as he has been. And we need those votes.

          practicalconservative in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 4:41 pm

          He made himself unwelcome by acting not with principle but with animus. At least the Democrats were in their own pack.

          UserP in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 6:00 pm

          So he votes according to how he is treated, whether he is made to feel welcome or unwelcome, rather than his conscience as he so boldly proclaimed before the senate today.

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 6:14 pm

          What do you expect?

          Concise in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 6:18 pm

          He’s made himself unwelcome and the smarmy fool will vote in whatever way he believes will further his own petty self interest. And I would like to take this opportunity to formally apologize to the country for voting for this vermin in 2012.

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 11:21 pm

          Which is precisely why we need to pander to him and make it continue to be in his interest to caucus and vote with the Republicans. Because he has other options, and we don’t want him to take them.

          Believe me, if Romney is suddenly banished from the Senate, Utah will replace him with a better Republican. His vote is not at risk. Could you please drop that line of argument? That and his having defeated Obama would have spared us from ObamaCare? Romney was the very architect of ObamaCare. Seriously, are you new to politics?

      practicalconservative in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 4:13 pm

      Romney’s betrayal is too breathtaking to be forgiven. The first person in the history of the Senate to commit such an act. People need to be punished for their bad acts, even if it is to those metting out justice.

      If he remains int he Party, he will be like Lucy with the football. pulling it away from Charlie Brown at every tight, critical moment. He has spat on millions of people who supported him in 2012 to salve his own rather strange ego.

        You don’t have to forgive anything. But he has to be kept in the tent, where most of the time he pisses out.

          Concise in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 6:20 pm

          So what do you advise, pander to this sleaze? I’m sure he’d enjoy that but a waste of time. He’d stab his own caucus in the back at the first opportunity, like he did today.

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 11:19 pm

          Yes, pander to him just as we have to pander to every unreliable senator, and just as we pander to unreliable Dems who might occasionally support us on something. Because we need his vote.

      RodFC in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 6:55 pm

      I agree. Just recall him and get somerone in who is loyal.

        Milhouse in reply to RodFC. | February 5, 2020 at 11:20 pm

        THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RECALL. Please understand that, once and for all. We are STUCK with him for the rest of Trump’s presidency.

      Milwaukee in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 11:18 pm

      Guys.
      Sometimes Milhouse is spot on. This is one of those times. We have more and other fights.
      His vote was both symbolic, for him, and of no importance.
      Move on, we have other fish to fry.

        His vote wasn’t “symbolic”. It was a traitorous act born of his hatred for the President that actually wins. Romney is what he’s always been, a deeply corrupt loser.

        Milhouse was hoping for conviction. Like Romney, he hates Trump. Simple as that and that is why he excuses the Romney behavior. He agrees with it.

America would be well served by two resignations by sundown today. Mittens and Nervous Nancy have demonstrated despicable behavior and hatred outside the norms of civility. What makes them so disgusting is that they have to invoke “GOD” in their hatred, Mitt in his speech today and Pelosi lying about praying for the President. She mocked him last night when he said he was prayerful.

If ya didn’t hate the guy before, well now ya have no excuse.

Mittens, along with McCain, Dole, Bush 1 & 2, plus countless lesser known GOPers, have been our curse. We want fighters. We get wimps, Malcolm Milquetoast.

    Bush and dole were not as pathetic as mccain.

    Mccain had war trauma as some excuse for his Stockholm Syndrome.

    Romney has no excuse execept his petty ego.

    Message to ann romney: you can do better. How do you share a roof with this pussy, let alone a bed?

Pretty disgusted

This is a new low, even for Romney

God I hate that I voted for him

Good ole Mittens – What a hack. Good god but we ducked a bullet in 2012

    The Friendly Grizzly in reply to venril. | February 5, 2020 at 2:53 pm

    Romney-Ryan. There was a ticket! The only good part about that ticket was that it’s alliterative.

      What a couple of pussies. Mittens rolled over after that one strong debate performance. And Ryan let Gropey Joe pull that nonsense on him in the VP debate. Pathetic losers, both of them.

It is perfectly fitting that Romney be the only Republican who ever voted in favor of convicting an impeached Republican president. Well done Mitt boy. You will remembered for something lasting.

Is this a surprise?
It’s only a big thing if we make it so.

    EOS in reply to RodFC. | February 5, 2020 at 2:57 pm

    Rod, I’m watching Dana Perino. She had on Marc Theissen, a former WH speech writer and he made a great point – he encouraged The President to ignore Romney’s vote so that the story doesn’t become about Romney. No tweet about Romney. Good advice.

      CorkyAgain in reply to EOS. | February 5, 2020 at 5:09 pm

      I agree, ignoring him is the best strategy. He should be denied his “Profiles in Courage” moment in the spotlight.

      As for needing his vote, the answer to that should be to elect more Republican senators. The vulnerable Democrats all chose party loyalty and should be made to suffer for it.

It’s time to boot him out of the GOP and be done with it.

Mccain was beaten into treason by the north vietnamese. But Romney was beaten into treason by a lumpmof blubber named candy crowley.

What a pathetic little man. Get him out asap.

Nice suit. Too bad he’s in it.

    userpen in reply to NotKennedy. | February 5, 2020 at 2:52 pm

    Reminds me of the Grinch whose heart was two sizes too small. Green with Trump envy, romney is willing to cut off his nose to spite his face.

But he will never express concern or outrage about an illegal investigation and attempted entrapment of Trump campaign.

Will never lift a finger to defend Repubs from a true abuse of power.

A legit investigation of potential actual corruption by Democrats? That’s impeachable. Democrats get a free pass on their corruption.

His looks are getting more smarmy every minute, like a smarmy emperor palpatine.

    userpen in reply to Concise. | February 5, 2020 at 3:09 pm

    It’s a good thing he was never elected president.

      Milhouse in reply to userpen. | February 5, 2020 at 4:06 pm

      That is nuts. Had he been elected we would have been spared the Iran deal, 0bamacare, four years of 0bama’s judicial nominations, the “Clean Power Plan”, the Paris Agreement, the Cuban Thaw, and so much more.

        alaskabob in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 4:48 pm

        “Maybe”…. some but not all. Also, definitely a “get along” guy with Deep State.

        Concise in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 6:04 pm

        Hard to say what the country would have been spared or would have suffered with the misfortune of a Romney presidency. No Obamacare but have you ever heard of Romneycare? How would a vindictive clown with no integrity would governed? The sooner the people of Utah vote him out of office the better.

          Milhouse in reply to Concise. | February 5, 2020 at 6:17 pm

          We had a vindictive clown with no integrity. Nothing Romney could possibly have done would equal what 0bama did.

          Milhouse in reply to Concise. | February 5, 2020 at 6:18 pm

          And the people of Utah don’t get a say in the matter until 2024.

          Concise in reply to Concise. | February 5, 2020 at 6:40 pm

          I would have conceded the Obama argument in the past but I can’t help but think now that Pierre, in his own smarmy way, would probably have been just as bad as Obama.

          Milhouse in reply to Concise. | February 5, 2020 at 11:23 pm

          That’s not possible. 0bama wasn’t the worst president ever, but it would be impossible for Romney to have been worse.

          Barry in reply to Concise. | February 6, 2020 at 10:55 pm

          “0bama wasn’t the worst president ever…”

          Yea, he was. He removed Carter from first place.

          And Romney would have been every bit as bad, possibly worse.

Jonathan Cohen | February 5, 2020 at 2:56 pm

Best to ignore Romney’s vote. There would be no bigger humiliation for Romney than if Trump ignores him and denies Romney the martyrdom he seeks.

The evidence doesn’t even come close to Romney’s position. Are we supposed to believe that asking to look into potential corruption of the Biden’s somehow more corrupt than the entire impeachment process itself. Does Romney actually see no political motivation on the part of the president’s accusers? If he doesn’t, he is either an idiot or blinded to reality by his dislike of Donald Trump.

Welcome to NeverTrump Island, Willard. Nothing lives there but snakes and rats, so you should feel right at home.

There is ample and obvious reason to look into the Biden conflict of interest. Therefore, I can only assume that Mitt doesn’t want anyone looking at his backtrail.

In the future, to find Romney in the history books, you will have to look under Benedict Arnold II.

It would have been easier to swallow if he had just been a man and admitted he was a democrat to begin with. But parading around like he was a Republican proves he is a liar and hypocrite. History will judge him harshly.

    Milhouse in reply to userpen. | February 5, 2020 at 4:07 pm

    He votes like a Republican, not like a Democrat. Would you like that to change?

      UserP in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 4:24 pm

      His vote today was not that of a Republican and that is what this thread is all about.

      alaskabob in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 4:51 pm

      “Votes like”… the vote should not have been even a political point as the charges were never up to the level intended. The Left will now NEVER be accepting of a loss.

      Had the voters of Utah not elected Romney or were he suddenly impeached or resigned, I am very confident that he would be replaced by a Republican. So your logic that removing him would cost Republicans a Republican vote is false. The Senate would be no worse and very likely better without Romney. The sooner the better.

      He is now a lame duck so he is essentially the new Senator Obama or Senator Sanders, party of one with no friends. Do the right thing Mitt. Go away!!!

        Milhouse in reply to Pasadena Phil. | February 5, 2020 at 6:21 pm

        He can’t be impeached, or forced to resign. We’re stuck with him in the senate until 2025. So it’s irrelevant that his replacement would be bound to be an improvement. We have to work with the current situation, not with a hypothetical fantasy. So my logic that removing him from the Republican party would cost us a Republican vote is true.

          You are tying yourself into knots with legalities and cannot see the path to winning. Romney is a guy who just voted in favor of convicting a President who was unconstitutionally charged with non-crimes based on hearsay, mind-reading in an unconstitutional impeachment process. This guy scores points against us unburdened with your legal purity of thought. As a tactician, you are useless.

          Let’s get Romney bogged down in his very own political quagmire however baseless in law. Get something on the ballot. Call it whatever you want… recall, censure, vote of no confidence, demand that he retire, whatever… Make him spend the rest of his term fighting in court.

          Meanwhile, strike while the iron is hot and have the GOP throw him out. The he can be tweeted to death as a “minister without portfolio”, man without a party caucusing with the same people Bernie did for so many years: himself. No committees, no legislating, no important speeches.

          His own voters hate him. His own state’s governor must be really pissed right now after being used today. There are plenty of his fellow Republican senators who now hate him to no end. His political career is over. Ahead of him lay four long years of nothing but shame and humiliation. Let’s make him pay. Start with the Utah legislature passing a recall law and hire lawyers not burdened your concerns about legality. This isn’t moot court. It’s lawfare in the real world.

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 11:30 pm

          You don’t seem to understand that for the next five years he is a senator, with a vote that we need for all sorts of things, and there is NO WAY that we can change that. If we lose his vote because we vent our emotions at him, we will bitterly regret it.

          And don’t give us any fantasies about tying him up in court. He would not spend even one day in court. The case would be dismissed in five minutes, with sanctions against whoever dared to argue for the bill.

          But beyond that, in advocating such a path you are betraying a shocking contempt for the constitution that makes you just as bad as the Democrats. Just like 0bama, you don’t care about the constitution, you spit on it, to score a few expensive political points you would rip it to shreds. How are you not ashamed of yourself?

      Concise in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 6:09 pm

      Yes, I would like that to change. I want to see him retired by Utah and replaced by a real Republican.

      zennyfan in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 9:50 pm

      Today, he voted like a Democrat. Enough said.

        Milhouse in reply to zennyfan. | February 5, 2020 at 11:34 pm

        Today he voted (once out of two votes) like a Democrat. But his record is that he votes like a Republican. Very few senators have a 100% pure voting record. 98% or 95% is pretty good. We can be upset at this one deviation, but we have to be careful not to drive him out and have him vote with us only 60% or 40% or even less.

May his “special” underwear choke off what’s left of his nuts.

Sounds like its time for the republicans and Utah folks to put Mitt on top of the station wagon and drop him back off in MA.

    Paul in reply to DaddyO. | February 5, 2020 at 3:32 pm

    That meme perfectly illustrates what a cuck pussy Romney is. Obama’s minions had the audacity to put that line of attack out there, when it was SO EASILY refuted and turned back on him. All Mitt had to say was:

    “That is the funniest shit I’ve ever heard. You’re dissing me for carrying my dog in a DOG CARRIER? Have you ever SEEN a dog with the wind of the road in it’s face? Pure bliss. But of course you wouldn’t know about that, because when you were a kid you were too busy EATING DOGS!”

    Boom. Mic drop. But Mitt was too much of a punk to attach the anti-American scumbag Obama.

Utah, How about that recall legislation?

This is why he isn’t president.

Glad he will never be president.

    Think about poor Ann Romney. Mittens might throw money at her, but she’s probably treated like the dog romney put on the roof of his car.

    His ‘nice guy’ facade has been ripped off his face – by him.

    PDJT brings out the best in people (like Rush Limbaugh) and the worst in bad people (in particular, malignant narcissist like pelosi, romney, etc.).

A few thoughts:

1) Romney has achieved a heretofore impossible task: He has made me grateful Obama won in 2012.

2) I am sure McConnell would love to do something to discipline Romney…however, with SCOTUS confirmations likely coming, every Senator has to be pampered and coddled.

3) The Republican GOP in Utah better be lining up serious primary challengers. If I had a choice between Romney and a Democrat like Krysten Sinema, I would probably go for the Democrat at this point.

    The Utah Senate has been pushing a bill to allow for removal of Senators because of Romney’s vote.

    So I suspect he won’t be a problem much longer.

    You won’t have to worry about a challenger to Romney even his dog could beat him at this point. Though don’t give him any ideas. He might try to run him.

      Milhouse in reply to RodFC. | February 5, 2020 at 4:09 pm

      The Utah legislature has no authority to pass such a law. There is absolutely nothing lawful that anyone can do to remove him before his six years are up.

        Pass the bill and lets find out. So they pass the bill leading to a quick special ballot where voters recall Romney who then appeals to the Supreme Court and prevails. We win anyway. He was recalled by his state’s voters and should therefore resign. How bad does he need the salary? How much does he enjoy being vilified day after day after day by his fellow Utahans?

          Milhouse in reply to Pasadena Phil. | February 5, 2020 at 5:17 pm

          Passing the bill would be blatantly, brazenly illegal. The UT legislature would be thumbing its nose at the law. And the state would not be allowed to hold the recall election.

          Thumbing their noses at “the law”? Who makes state law in Utah? I believe whatever the argument, it is probably time to test this law. If they have a senator who refuses to honor his obligations to the voters and “votes his conscience” instead of following the evidence, I would think voters have standing in court to challenge “the law”.

          Milhouse in reply to Pasadena Phil. | February 5, 2020 at 6:25 pm

          Yes, thumbing their noses at the law. It’s not a matter of state law. It’s the US constitution. There’s nothing to test. The US constitution says a senator is elected for a six-year term. End of story. And yes, senators are always expected to vote their conscience rather than what the people want, and voters never have standing to challenge this.

          If you don’t like the US constitution, feel free to campaign for an amendment, but you know what it takes to do that. Or move somewhere else.

        Concise in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 6:14 pm

        Hmmm. Maybe not valid to remove him from office if it came down to a federal court battle but the Utah legislature may have authority to pass such a law as an expression of its disdain for Pierre.

          Milhouse in reply to Concise. | February 5, 2020 at 6:27 pm

          No, it does not have any such authority. It would violate their oath of office, and would put them in open defiance of the constitution. Which is worse than anything Romney did.

          They are free to censure him if they like. And he is free to ignore them if he likes.

          Concise in reply to Concise. | February 5, 2020 at 6:52 pm

          Wouldn’t this bill be just such a “censure”? And really, passing a bill that may not ultimately be enforceable in federal court happens all the time. It is not a violation of an oath of office.

          Milhouse in reply to Concise. | February 5, 2020 at 11:38 pm

          No, it would not be a censure. A censure bill says what it is. This is a bill that its sponsor and every legislator who would vote for it know is unconstitutional. That directly violates their oath.

          Tell me, do you take the same forgiving attitude to those who vote for gun control measures or censorship measures that they know are unconstitutional, but rely on the courts to strike down? What did you think of the McCain-Feingold travesty? When GWB signed it, saying “I know this is unconstitutional but it’s too popular for me to veto so let the courts strike it down”, don’t you agree that he violated his oath?

          Concise in reply to Concise. | February 6, 2020 at 12:13 am

          GWB has a lot to answer for (especially for the blessing of chief justice roberts) but can’t the legislature, or the executive for that matter, at least when acting within the sphere of their own authority (one passing legislation, one signing) pass judgment as to the constitutionality of the measure? Why must they defer to what they think the court, a separate and third branch of gov’t, might say later? They could even be contemplating a challenge that might result in the court changing course.

          Concise in reply to Concise. | February 6, 2020 at 12:15 am

          Of course, I expressed myself in terms of the federal system but I would apply basically the same logic to the states. They don’t have to defer to the federal courts because of what the might say. Pass the law and let them speak if they disagree.

          Milhouse in reply to Concise. | February 6, 2020 at 12:52 am

          It’s not just what the courts might say. There is no other way to read the constitution. It’s exactly the same as passing a law banning the advocacy of communism, or banning handguns; the legislators know damned well that the constitution forbids such a law, so they have an independent duty not to pass it, regardless of what the courts might do.

        Close The Fed in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 6:38 pm

        Phil, I would say the state legislature is unable to Recall Romney, as SCOTUS has applied the Constitution.

        However, per usual, M has overstated the case when he writes there’s no “lawful” way for Romney to be removed.

        Art. 1, Sec.5, Cl. 2, provides that “each House” may expel a member with a 2/3s vote.

        A majority is a quorum. So the GOP has a quorum, although it’s useless because they’re all too friendly to do what needs to be done.

        So, All GOP senators show up one morning, no dems, and 2/3s of them vote to expel Romney, and it would be done.

        m’s excitement about how SCANDALOUS it is, for a legislature to pass “unconstitutional” laws is much ado about nothing. Happens all the time. Georgia has an unconstitutional statute putting in place requirements for house and senate that don’t pass constitutional muster, but there they are… And so far no one has challenged them.

        Interestingly, when Kemp appointed the new senator, he did NOT expressly did not state the unconstitutional Georgia requirements had to be met. The Ga. A.G.’s office knows they’re unconstitutional.

          Close The Fed in reply to Close The Fed. | February 5, 2020 at 6:41 pm

          Me and sleep, I swear!

          Interestingly, when Kemp appointed the new senator to replace Isakson, and asked the public to submit resumes, he expressly stated the only requirements the candidates had to meet were those in the U.S. constitution: age 35 and over, a resident of whereever for 14 years… I forget them right now.

          He did NOT require the unconstitutional Georgia requirements be met. The Ga. A.G.’s office knows they’re unconstitutional.

          How do you contrive to have all the Rs show up while no Ds do?! Both parties always have at least one member there to forestall such dirty maneuvers, and there are plenty of ways to delay things until his colleagues can be summoned. For instance he can demand a quorum call. That takes time. Or just start speaking, and keep speaking until his colleagues show up.

          Also, while the senate does have the power to expel a member by a 2/3 vote, and the constitution doesn’t say what would justify such a vote, for well over a century congress has understood this power to be limited to offenses committed since the last election. Even if a member is convicted of a crime, Congress has understood that if the crime happened before the last election it’s powerless to expel him. The supreme court, while pointedly declining to endorse this view, has taken judicial notice of its existence (Powell v McCormack). Given that, it’s unthinkable that the senate would ever thing it could expel a member merely for voting the wrong way. Otherwise a 2/3 majority could simply expel the entire minority!

    Sinema is proving to be more clever than malignant narcissist rommey. Simema seems in control and having a good time.

    Romney seems driven as insane as fellow malignant narcissist pelosi, and he cannot get past the humiliation (at his own hand!) from losing to candy crowley, and later, watching PDJT show the schmuck how things get done.

    It should always be noted that romney has failed as a politician in every opportunity he’s been given: he was NOT re-elected governor of Mass. (he was a one-term loser); he failed against a bozo like obama (and obama’s mouth piece candy crowley – all on national television), and he lost to PDJT in the primaries.

    Malignant narcissist romney may be successful in a business arbitrager, but he is a fool when it comes to politics.

    The fact he bamboozled the Mormon population of Utah into electing him will mean he’s a one-term senator.

    What a sick guy.

    1) Romney has achieved a heretofore impossible task: He has made me grateful Obama won in 2012.

    This is nuts. Think of all the harm 0bama did in his second term. Romney would have done none of that.

Trigganometry | February 5, 2020 at 3:35 pm

If the glove don’t fit you got to acquit you meathead!

Gee, just last week Mittens couldn’t make his mind up without hearing from new witnesses. But now his mind is made up. So were you lying then or lying now, Mittens?

    ^^ This.

    Bill O’Reilly just made the point that Romney is a hypocrite (he didn’t use that word but…). His responsibility is to his state’s citizens. He was not sent to “vote his conscience” blah, blah, blah, “to do the right thing and let the consequences come.” His responsibility in the impeachment trial was to render his judgment based on the evidence.

    He didn’t even make an attempt to explain his decision on evidence. He had painted himself in a corner rationalizing more witnesses to provide more evidence. Failing that, he voted to convict without the required evidence. He is a liar and a phony.

      Milhouse in reply to Pasadena Phil. | February 5, 2020 at 6:29 pm

      His responsibility is to his state’s citizens. He was not sent to “vote his conscience” blah, blah, blah

      That is the exact opposite of the truth. All legislators are elected to exercise their own judgment, not to vote by opinion poll of their constituents. The voters get a chance to review their performance every two/six years.

A single senator’s vote in Andrew Johnson’s impeachment trial prevented conviction and he was doomed for his action. This single “Republican” senator stands alone now for conviction and unlike the other guy will be remembered and reviled. Flake and McCain now have a new avatar and the media and left a new soy boy.

    In Johnson’s time, the field of psychology had not progressed enough to understand the likes of romney.

    Even an amateur psychologist can understand romney’s reasons for betrayal: the man is a malignant narcissist, and as unhinged and as abusive as pelosi.

    Mccain was a narcissist, suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. It was easy for the left to appeal to his weak ego, and take advantage of the psychological damage done to him during his years as a POW. Nonetheless, Mccain ate it up, and sold out his party, his voters and his country for a title (“The Maverick”!!) and a few appearances here and there on tv. TOTAL loser in the end. He knew better.

    Romney, on the other hand: the only wound he is suffering from is being sat on by fat candy crowley on national television. If mccain is a total loser, romney has set a new height.

    What a tiny, tiny, tiny man.

    Close The Fed in reply to alaskabob. | February 5, 2020 at 6:44 pm

    A new soy boytoy.

I don’t think this is the GOP’s worst fear. In fact, it aligns Romney with the democrats who wanted to impeach Trump for anything at all on day one. Remember Romney’s speech in 2016 in which he cited every reason for not electing Trump? His reasons align perfectly with the democrats’ talking points now.
Trump’s position: Romney made up his mind in 2016, and had his opportunity today. Just like the democrats.

    Close The Fed in reply to MTED. | February 5, 2020 at 6:46 pm

    Yes, we’re in an undeclared Cold War with the left, and Romney thinks we should act as though it’s tea time.

    I suppose when you have a great deal of money, the suffering of many Americans is easy to overlook, and being more concerned about your class’s manners being disturbed is natural. To Romney, anyway.

Kinda funny in that Mormons including mitt would be the first Joe jo blows that Bernie and the other wannabes want to send to the gulag/ re-education camps.

He’ll get away with it for now, only because of the need for party discipline on judges. But the slack he gets cut will last only until the Republican majority is one or two Senators bigger, which might happen in the next election.

But he’s now holding the highest, and probably last, office he’ll ever hold.

Fox News Exclusive: “Romney says he had to follow ‘conscience’ on vote to convict Trump.”

Why did Romney vote like this?

a. he thinks all the democrats with whom he is voting followed their conscience.
b. he is so stupid he doesn’t know.
c. he is lying.

I’m SO angry at Romney. Wish I could take back my vote for him in 2012

I will be surprised if the good people of Utah don’t do something to censure or recall the traitorous bastard! They are people with principles and he seems to have none but personal hate. I hope the recall movement takes hold.

    Milhouse in reply to inspectorudy. | February 5, 2020 at 6:30 pm

    They can censure him all they like, but they have no right to recall him. Once they elected him, what he does is none of their business for the next six years. That is what the US constitution says.

      inspectorudy in reply to Milhouse. | February 5, 2020 at 11:56 pm

      A Utah legislature member has introduced a bill to authorize a recall of any elected official. It may or may not pass. If it does goodbye Romney.

        Milhouse in reply to inspectorudy. | February 6, 2020 at 12:06 am

        No. Whether it passes or fails, Romney stays, because the Utah legislature has no authority to pass such a bill. The Utah secretary of state would never be allowed to hold such a vote.

Mitt, one piece of advice in the highly unlikely event you’re reading this:

The libs love you today.
They hated you yesterday.
They will hate you tomorrow.
But now, they know they can get you to turn if they apply enough pressure.
Expect them to lay on the pressure ten to a hundred times as much as they ever did before.
They will never love you.
They will only see you as a tool to their ends.

Romney is going tthe McCain route. Grandstanding is everything.

a man with a severe head cold can smell the stench of corruption across the Atlantic.

Frezz in the hizzy | February 5, 2020 at 8:45 pm

Now we all see the true petty loser that is Mitt Romney. Incredible!!

The president’s insistence that [the Bidens] be investigated by the Ukrainians is hard to explain other than as a political pursuit

Is Romney really so dumb that he can’t detect the smell of payoffs and money laundering?

The one surefire way to get both Pelosi and Romney at the same time is for AG Barr to launch a massive and thorough investigation into the entire Biden klan. If found guilty both Pelosi and Romney will look like the fools they are.

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