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Murkowski: ‘I Cannot Vote to Convict’ Trump

Murkowski: ‘I Cannot Vote to Convict’ Trump

“The response to the president’s behavior is not to disenfranchise nearly 63 million Americans and remove him from the ballot.”

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1224481564010127362

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) announced she will vote not to convict President Donald Trump.

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Question: Just how does the Senate voting to remove him from office remove him from the ballot for 2020?

    coolway in reply to freddy33. | February 3, 2020 at 7:18 pm

    Impeachment not only removes, but disqualifies from holding office.

      Edward in reply to coolway. | February 3, 2020 at 7:29 pm

      That is not correct. IF there is a Senate vote to convict a person on one or more Articles of Impeachment, the person is removed from whatever office held. But in order to prevent the person from again holding office, there must be a separate vote on a motion to preclude the person from ever again holding office. Example: Alcee Hastings was a Federal District Court Judge who was found to have accepted bribes for decisions. He was Impeached by the House and Convicted by the Senate, but no motion to prevent his ever holding Federal public office was made. And I’m sure you know that some voters in Florida like having a US Representative who was convicted of taking bribes.

        Milhouse in reply to Edward. | February 4, 2020 at 1:12 am

        Even if the senate had banned him from “any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States”, that would not include elected office. The senate can’t forbid the public from electing whomever they like.

          That’s what I’ve been led to believe too but what is the legal basis establishing that? Impeachment is so rare and there doesn’t seem to be anything in the Constitution addressing this. So even if the Senate were to vote to ban him from ever holding public office again, what would be the defense?

          Doesn’t matter. Not going to happen anyway.

          Lucifer Morningstar in reply to Milhouse. | February 4, 2020 at 8:29 am

          Well then, if that’s the case why have any impeachment powers at all written into the Constitution. Seems rather pointless if the House impeaches you, and the Senate finds you guilty of the crimes and you can still be elected to “any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States” such as the Presidency, or Senate or House. What’s the point to it all.

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | February 4, 2020 at 11:07 am

          The legal basis is the definition of “Office under the United States”. That term is used several times in the constitution, and every time it means an office that is appointed by the president and confirmed by the senate. It never includes elected office. Elected offices are not “under the United States”.

          That’s why the Foreign Emoluments clause doesn’t apply to the president. It applies only to a “person holding any office of profit or trust under [the United States]”.

          The point of impeachment and removal is to get rid of the offender immediately, and to prevent the president from appointing him to some office. If the people choose to reelect him, that’s their right.

    stablesort in reply to freddy33. | February 3, 2020 at 7:30 pm

    ARTICLE I, SECTION 3, CLAUSE 7

    Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

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    It has been argued that while removal from office is mandatory upon conviction, that disqualification to hols office is not.

    Rep. Alcee Hastings was impeached as a judge and convicted by the Senate, who nonetheless, ran for Congress and was elected to the House.

      The disqualification does not apply to ELECTED office. Hastings couldn’t be nominated as a judge again, or appointed to any office (Cabinet, Ambassador, etc.) in the Executive Branch, but he could hold office as an elected Congresscritter.

        Milhouse in reply to SDN. | February 4, 2020 at 1:09 am

        You are correct that it doesn’t apply to elected office, but it is also only an option that the senate has. When it removed Hastings from the bench it could have banned him from all federal appointive offices, but it chose not to, so he’s still eligible for those should a Dem president one day want to appoint him to one.

F U Senator Murkowski!

Who is going to step forward to primary her? I want to send that person some money!

Ms Mighty Mitt Romney will be the only Republican Senator to vote to convict Trump. Collins is smart enough to vote present. So Mittens will become the first United States Senator in the history of the Republic to vote to convict a President from his own Party. Worse he will do it on bogus charges.

He needs to be tossed from the Republican Caucus.

    practicalconservative in reply to dystopia. | February 3, 2020 at 7:29 pm

    Mittens needs to bunk with new Democrat: Bill Kristol; ex Senator Jeff the Flake (who gave up his seat to hate Trump) ; ex Governor John Kasich and soon to be ex-husband George Conway.

    Edward in reply to dystopia. | February 3, 2020 at 7:34 pm

    WE don’t have a sufficient advantage in number of Senators to toss anyone, even Mittens, from the caucus. It takes 51 Senators caucusing to form the majority in the Senate and we only have a margin of 2 and Pierre Delecto knows it.

The President did nothing wrong.
I am more worried about those who keep covering for Joe Biden’s obvious corruption.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Exiliado. | February 3, 2020 at 7:45 pm

    A quote for our great President Trump.

    “But I will sing of thy power; yea, I will sing aloud of thy mercy in the morning: for thou hast been my defence and refuge in the day of my trouble.” – Psalm 59:16 KJV

    it’s called projection, they blame Trump for biden’s corruption.

A.K.A Lisa Murkowski announces she will run for re-election!

Anacleto Mitraglia | February 4, 2020 at 5:59 am

Why is she wearing a carpet?

Talking past the sale. Trump didn’t do anything wrong in the first place. He’s after what went on with the 2016 hoaxes.

If Murkowski didn’t have a Republican Party to hold hostage, she would be powerless.

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