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Intelligence Community Removed Requirement That Whistleblower Info Had to be First-Hand Knowledge (Update)

Intelligence Community Removed Requirement That Whistleblower Info Had to be First-Hand Knowledge (Update)

No wonder only hearsay appeared in the whistleblower’s complaint!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn48UP4hx3Q

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but this seems a little odd. Sean Davis at The Federalist reported that the intelligence community removed an important requirement when it comes to whistleblower information:

Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings. This raises questions about the intelligence community’s behavior regarding the August submission of a whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump. The new complaint document no longer requires potential whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress to have direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting.

The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only “heard about [wrongdoing] from others.”

The internal properties of the newly revised “Disclosure of Urgent Concern” form, which the intelligence community inspector general (ICIG) requires to be submitted under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA), show that the document was uploaded on September 24, 2019, at 4:25 p.m., just days before the anti-Trump complaint was declassified and released to the public. The markings on the document state that it was revised in August 2019, but no specific date of revision is disclosed.

The whistleblower claimed Trump may have broken campaign finance laws because he threatened Zelensky he would withhold aid to Ukraine if he did not force the Ukrainian prosecutor general to investigate Vice President Joe Biden.

The phone call transcript showed no threats and just a suggestion, which Zelensky happily took into consideration.

You can read the background information on Biden and Ukraine from my earlier article. Biden bragged in 2018 that as VP he got then-President Petro Poroshenko to fire then-prosecutor general Viktor Shokin by threatening to withhold $1 billion in aid.

Biden and European leaders wanted Poroshenko to oust Shokin due to allegations of corruption. However, many suspected he did it because of Shokin’s investigation into Burisma Holdings, an energy company that employed Hunter Biden on its board of directors.

Shokin swore in a statement that Poroshenko fired him because of pressure from Biden over the investigation into Burisma.

I thought it was odd that the whistleblower’s complaint consisted of information via hearsay and he/she reading articles:

“I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials,” “officials have informed me,” “officials with direct knowledge of the call informed me,” “the White House officials who told me this information,” “I was told by White House officials,” “the officials I spoke with,” “I was told that a State Department official,” “I learned from multiple U.S. officials,” “One White House official described this act,” “Based on multiple readouts of these meetings recounted to me,” “I also learned from multiple U.S. officials,” “The U.S. officials characterized this meeting,” “multiple U.S. officials told me,” “I learned from U.S. officials,” “I also learned from a U.S. official,” “several U.S. officials told me,” “I heard from multiple U.S. officials,” and “multiple U.S. officials told me.”

I guess this explains why that happened.

Davis asked an intelligence community official when they made the revisions and why. He never mentioned Trump or the whistleblower.

“The official said the intelligence community would not comment on anything to do with the anti-Trump whistleblower,” Davis tweeted.

It made sense why whistleblower information had to come first-hand. Allowing hearsay as the basis for a complaint would allow people to ruin someone’s career or lead to a boss firing an employee.

Ever play the game Telephone? Every single time the information got to the last person it was completely wrong.

The change allows the House Democrats to at least attempt their end goal: impeach Trump. They still cannot accept the fact that he won fair and square over their precious Hillary Clinton.

*UPDATE: Kevin Poulson has a Twitter thread that disputes this information:

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Sometimes the deep state makes it hard to not believe there is a deep state.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to RodFC. | September 27, 2019 at 8:29 pm

    Did you hear about the Deep State new form they also made up at the same time?

    Form 666 for “Voices Heard in Head.”

    MORE BREAKING

    “Whistleblower’s Complaint Against Trump Cites George Soros-Funded NGO

    The anonymous CIA official’s complaint accusing President Donald Trump of “using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country” in the 2020 presidential race has been linked to an investigative journalism organization partially-funded by billionaire activist George Soros.

    The whistleblower’s complaint makes reference multiple times to a report published by the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP), titled “Meet the Florida Duo Helping Giuliani Investigate for Trump in Ukraine.”

    George Soros’s Open Society is listed as among the top donor in most of the annual financial records posted on OCCRP’s website.”

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/whistleblowers-complaint-against-trump-cites-george-soros-funded-ngo_3098685.html

What is another curious coincidence is, the phone call that they are complaining about happened the day after the Mueller testimony exploded into radioactive clowns.

I’m beginning to suspect that the folks trying to get Trump grabbed at the first thing they saw and started trying to spin it into a new Russia Collusion Narative. That also explains part of how Schiff was saying things that sound lifted from the complaint before the complaint was even submitted.

I suspect they thought Trump was going to try and keep the conversation secret while they leaked parts of the complaint and built up their media echo chamber.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Voyager. | September 27, 2019 at 8:32 pm

    RE: “I suspect they thought Trump was going to try and keep the conversation secret while they leaked parts of the complaint and built up their media echo chamber.”

    I would say “Then they don’t know Trump.”

    But I won’t because it’s as clear as the noses on their treasonous faces that “They don’t know President Trump at all!”

Changed the rules, just in time for a complaint against Trump – based entirely on hearsay and lies – to come out. What an amazing coincidence!

The government is a corrupt criminal enterprise. The intelligence agencies, starting with the CIA, should be shut down, eliminated. Every government agency has been corrupted to serve the masters rather than the American people.

Close them down.

Schumer new what he was talking about when he warned Trump the the CIA has six ways from Sunday to get you

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to MarkS. | September 27, 2019 at 9:43 pm

    Schumer ignored to his peril the Trump Boomerang Effect.

    Just wait till, soon, all his crimes start falling out into the public arena.

    Enjoy the Ride DOWN Schumer!!!!!!!!

August 2019 no less

Dossier 2.0

This is not a whistleblower complaint. This is another coup attempt.

CIA, FBI, DOJ

BEST CORRUPTION TAX PAYER’S MONEY CAN BUY!

This was all about skirting around the “investigation in search of a crime” conundrum that Congressdems have been frothing to conduct since Trunp took office.

Nothing but a bunch of lying sacks of Shiff, pushing transparently bogus fabrications.

And they’re still pretending the Deep State is a myth. Except for Schumer, who at least had the balls to admit it publicly, however obliquely.

“I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but …”

Oh come on. I AM a conspiracy theorist and I am appalled that the truth is so much worse than what I feared.

We continue to empower conspiracists by allowing the label “conspiracy theorist” to be their shield. There ARE conspiracies! It’s not a bad thing to recognize them when you see them! We are living through the most evil and broad-based conspiracy in human history! So knock it off!

They changed the rules special for The Donald.

Changing the rules secretly, and deleting a vital requirement related to reliability — is that a violation of the Administrative Procedures Act?

If the USPTO did something like this, the rule change would have to be published for comment.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | September 27, 2019 at 10:13 pm

Spot on article by Ann Coulter positive this.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/25/coulter-trump-mount-rushmore/

Sean Davis’s reporting may, I repeat may, have been incorrect on this. Kevin Poulson has posted info that contradicts the claim that the form was changed or previously required first-hand knowledge only.

Somewhat distressing to learn that gossip is a permitted basis for ‘whistleblowing’ but I guess sorting wheat from chaff is the ICIG’s job.

    Who is Kevin Poulson, and why should we believe him?

    Valerie in reply to Daiwa. | September 27, 2019 at 11:00 pm

    The form definitely was revised in August, 2019. That line is required on government forms. People who know these forms, or have copies of the old forms, can readily identify the changes to them.

      Valerie in reply to Valerie. | September 27, 2019 at 11:05 pm

      Yes. Somebody has been comparing the forms.

      “A previous version of the whistleblower complaint document, which the ICIG and DNI until recently provided to potential whistleblowers, declared that any complaint must contain only first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoing and that complaints that provide only hearsay, rumor, or gossip would be rejected.”

      “The [Intelligence Community Inspector General] cannot transmit information via the ICPWA based on an employee’s second-hand knowledge of wrongdoing,” the previous form stated under the bolded heading “FIRST-HAND INFORMATION REQUIRED.” “This includes information received from another person, such as when an employee informs you that he/she witnessed some type of wrongdoing.”

      “If you think that wrongdoing took place, but can provide nothing more than second-hand or unsubstantiated assertions, [the Intelligence Community Inspector General] will not be able to process the complaint or information for submission as an ICWPA,” the form concluded.”

        Valerie in reply to Valerie. | September 27, 2019 at 11:10 pm

        Very, very curious admission in tweet by Poulson

        Kevin Poulsen

        Verified account

        @kpoulsen 3h3 hours ago More

        They did trim the instructions at some point, cutting a misleading statement of the law’s requirements. That may even have been prompted by the Trump complaint. But the old form plainly has not one but two fields for second-party information.

    Chieftain in reply to Daiwa. | September 27, 2019 at 11:19 pm

    Another observation on the complaint from an ex-governmnet guy with relevant experience.
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/09/was-the-whistleblower-part-of-a-plan.php

    Daiwa in reply to Daiwa. | September 27, 2019 at 11:39 pm

    While both the old form and the new form have a ‘heard it from a friend’ checkbox in the section on Details of the Disclosure, the old form had a lengthy paragraph emphasizing that only first-hand knowledge of the Urgent Concern would qualify for processing under the ICWPA, including specific language that simply having heard something from another individual would not cut it: “The
    IC IG cannot transmit information via the ICWPA based on an employee’s second
    -hand knowledge of wrongdoing.” (Direct quote from the old form.)

    That language is nowhere to be found in the new form adopted in August.

    Substantively, Davis’s reporting seems correct to me, despite the presence of the ‘heard it from a friend’ checkbox in both forms. It seems particularly out of place in the old form given the strong language requiring first-hand knowledge.

This explains everything.

The whole thing seemed so scripted to me. Every day, a new high profile candidate or congressman coming out for impeachment with no hesitation. Now it makes sense. They had this planned. It probably could have been any one of the calls trump has made to a foreign leader. But now they can control the timing and narrative.

When you hear of people speak of the “Intelligence Community” it’s probably a good model to keep in mind the so-called LGBTQ+++???? “community.” In which lesbians attack trans women on the entirely sensible basis (who in this community could have imagined I would ever use the word sensible in reference to lesbian feminists) that women don’t have, ahem, johnsons.

The intel branches of the five armed services are generally standing around wearing t-shirts that say “I’m not with stupid” and the arrow is pointing at CIA. I hope some future president appoints me director of CIA so I can fire everyone. knock down the building with a dozer, and then give away the land to farmers who might make some decent use of it.

    Absolutely.

    As I’ve said repeatedly – shut down the CIA and all other intelligence and move it back where it belongs – to the military,

    So, you ask, “how does that keep bad people from doing bad things?”

    It doesn’t. But the military will catch them and put them to death, and that serves as dissuasion.

I find it amusing that the Democrat crime gang “whistleblower” complains that Trump has the call transcript placed in a secure place with limited access.
Trump in his first days in office had a private telephone conversation with the President of Mexico that was leaked and quoted in Democrat media.
Of course, Trump had his private communications with other world leaders; the seditious Democrat moles are embedded in the government.

I find Coast Guard intel handy to refresh my knowledge of icebreakers of the world.

https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/DCO%20Documents/Office%20of%20Waterways%20and%20Ocean%20Policy/20170501%20major%20icebreaker%20chart.pdf?ver=2017-06-08-091723-907

This comes in handy every ten or twenty years or so.

Just kidding, Coasties. I love you.

Stephen McInyre has the forms and the internals on them.

https://twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/1177580473566093312

Here is something seriously strange. The Disclosure of Urgent Concern Form located earlier today at DNI is only two days old according to its pdf properties. https://www.dni.gov/files/ICIG/Documents/Hotline/Urgent%20Concern%20Disclosure%20Form.pdf

Further to Stephen McIntyre thread above:

“..it appears almost certain that, subsequent to the CIA operative “WB” complaint, the DNI introduced a brand new Urgent Disclosure Form which offered a previously unavailable alternative to report allegations with no personal knowledge.”

it should not be hard to figure out who changed the document

To quote Blutarsky from Animal House …. [cough, cough] …. blowjob!

To quote Blutarsky from Animal House …. [cough, cough] …. blowjob!

lord–is this the 21st century in America or some reenactment of France in the 1780s ?–hearsay, gossip, rumor, is now sufficient cause for an agency of the federal government to recommend a congressional inquiry? or for the congress to rely on the same as justification for an inquiry?

come on

It gets more and more interesting:

https://twitter.com/VoteBeebe/status/1177669290352398336

Putting it mildly.

Valerie is one of my most treasured names. The only times I got less than a “B” in college was in computer programming. Which is odd since I later went on to be honored by the Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Association (AFCEA) and to have a career in computer systems engineering as a defense contractor.

But when I started out it was back in the pre-historic when you started off with programmable calculators. . My computer sciences professor teamed me up with a Cambodian chick who had long hair down to her very attractive lower unit (don’t think i didn’t notice) and a miniskirt about as wide as my belt. And I’m supposed to concentrate on the calculator?

I got a D. I’m surprised I didn’t get an F.

No problem. It’s an anomoly. I’ll just take the class over and erase this blemish from my transcript. Who do I get teamed with? Valerie, the Mexican-American chick who is if anything is even more beautiful than the Cambodian chick. I didn’t know that was possible, but now I know.

I’m not sure if my professor was gay or just cruel as I went to him begging not to be partnered with raven haired beauties and twice he said he didn’t see the problem. I would think that if I had no problem passing other classes with outstanding grades but i turned into a stuttering diot when placed in his because, HELLO, I have been placed next to a super model that might be a hint.

I got better. I am all kinds of cool now; And “whistleblower” is , well, karma is a b***.

    Arminius in reply to Arminius. | September 28, 2019 at 1:42 am

    Yes, ladies, I know you have a mind. An intellect. I will notice it. Eventually. I can’t help it; I am hard wired to feel what I feel.

    Back in the early 1990s I left the Mission Planning spaces and I got the scent of a woman. “There’s a woman on the Carl Vinson!” This was before this was a usual circumstance. So I dropped all ideas of heading off to midrats and getting some tobasco and some chili and I followed my nose. And I found the women. I don’t think I would have been as sensitive to the scent of a woman if I hadn’t already spent months at sea in the company of no one else but men.

    What I want you to know. ladies. is that you are beautiful in dimensions you didn’t even know were possible.

      Valerie in reply to Arminius. | September 28, 2019 at 7:50 am

      I think it’s a good name, too. I’m glad it has pleasant associations for you, too.

        Arminius in reply to Valerie. | September 28, 2019 at 3:46 pm

        It is a good name. It means strong. I’m going out on a limb, but perhaps it has some relationship to the word valor.

        Valerie (I love that name), it takes a strong woman to love me. Which is why, and I hope it doesn’t appear I am telling tales out of school, my ex-wife left me. I got the phone call from my reserve unit skipper to muster on 9/11. By November I was gone, out of the country. And she was slipping away and there wasn’t a thing I could do about it.

        She’s Japanese. Her name in Japanese means beautiful flower. She thought I was leaving her after 9/11 because I wanted to.

        She will always be my beautiful flower.

I find it amusing as all hell’s creation when I get down voted.

Down vote this.

http://www.navyandmarine.org/cutlassmanual/1906cutlass.pdf

If I can’t get it done with what amounts to a really big knife, it probably didn’t need to get done at all.

https://yougottobekidding.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/military-motivational-posters-04.jpg

When things happen too coincidentally they are rarely coincidence. This is especially true when it comes to the continual attacks against Trump.

The complaint is far too political in nature. When the Cruella DaVille of the House, AKA Speaker Pelosi, talks about cover up and the Constitution it is projection. Schiff is the mouthpiece, but it’s to float things and see how they are accepted by those who listen to the propaganda networks. If it gets the needle to move the rest of the National Socialists fall in line with the talk.

Brennan is the likely source for placing this “whistle blower” in a position to hear things that could be twisted into something useful. The changes in the form allowed this operative to push this phony complaint. It’s a counterintelligence type move. Given the BS meter moving to near the breaking point yet Pelosi jumping on the train seems too much like orders from above.

Obama’s fingerprints are all over this. He is actively involved behind the scenes working to remove Trump from office. Trump has shown Obama to be the fraud that he has always been, and Duh One can’t have his legacy shredded. Soros is funding far too much in our politics, and it is probably why he remains free to do as he pleases despite his known crimes.

We have seen this exact play against Trump being deployed too many times to be coincidence. From before he was elected through now these type of moves keep coming one after another. Romney has replaced McCain as the “respected” Congress Critter who tells the propaganda wing of the left that there are a lot of “republicans” who would vote against Trump, even though there is no evidence of a crime having been done. This jumping on board stinks of Deep State control, yet it isn’t working. At least yet. This change in the complaints for Whistle Blowers is too conveniently timed to work against Trump based on hearsay, something discredited by courts as inadmissible, yet it can be used to lodge complaints? In our government where we are supposed to be bound by laws we have something legally inadmissible being used to spark investigations?

Far too many moves and changes in what has historically been crossing the line have been done in this Trump era to be coincidence. Conspiracies happen all the time. Dismissal of thoughts of conspiracy was started after Kennedy’s assassination. Worked by the FBI to discredit those who had their BS meters pegged to high by explanations that didn’t pass the smell tests.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to oldgoat36. | September 28, 2019 at 3:24 pm

    BRAVO BRAVO!

    Especially or this part.

    “Obama’s fingerprints are all over this. He is actively involved behind the scenes working to remove Trump from office. Trump has shown Obama to be the fraud that he has always been, and Duh One can’t have his legacy shredded. Soros is funding far too much in our politics, and it is probably why he remains free to do as he pleases despite his known crimes.”

    Speaking of Romney, have you see this?

    “PAY ATTENTION! Limbaugh Reveals What Mitt Romney Told Nancy Pelosi In Secret

    Limbaugh said Utah GOP Sen. Mitt Romney told Pelosi that enough Senate Republicans would break ranks to remove Trump from office.

    Limbaugh declared that “yesterday and today Sen. Mitt Romney, Republican, Utah, had phone calls or meetings, whatever, with Pelosi and assured her there was Republican support to remove Trump.”

    Limbaugh also noted how he believes Romney has been desperately waiting for the “right time” to “get rid of Trump.”

    “I don’t think that means that Romney has enough Republicans to actually convict,” Limbaugh added…..”

    https://explainlife.com/pay-attention-limbaugh-reveals-what-mitt-romney-told-nancy-pelosi-in-secret-16855/

    Arminius in reply to oldgoat36. | September 28, 2019 at 5:52 pm

    I used to go through the intermediate steps but in the interest of saving time I now skip them. Twice is coincidence. Anything more than that is enemy action.

Trump need to get on the ball and start taking this stuff seriously! First he should find out who changed the hearsay requirement and if that person was authorized to make the change. If not, the whistleblower becomes a leaker of classified information and should be treated as such. Second, there were false statements in the whistleblowers complaint, so he should be charged with perjury. Trump needs to start fighting and sniveling and whimpering on twitter is not fighting

    What’s the possibility that Trump and his loyals ran this as a sting operation to out the traitors and force the Democrats hand now?

    The fighting back I’d like to see doesn’t so much involve defending himself – the complaint and telcon transcript don’t amount to anything. I’d LIKE to see Rudy ask Ukraine (with applicable treaty annotations) for the payment/salary records of Burisma, and the records/minutes of all Burisma board meetings. Was Biden’s kid present and a contributor, or just a name on the roster – an absentee. And subpoena Biden’s telcon records.

      notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to MrE. | September 28, 2019 at 3:19 pm

      I’m with you on the thinking it might be a sting operation for President Trump.

      This is putting the spotlight on Democrat Corruption around the world.

      My goodness, Did you know Obama carried out the overthrow of the Ukrainian government?

      That is just one thing coming more into the spotlight because of all this.

They only have one card left to play and they have decided to play it now to once again try to discredit this President. But yet again it will blow up in their faces like Wile E Coyote when he always tried to take down the Roadrunner. As a kid I enjoyed the tnt explosions to the face. Yep,that’s what I’m counting on.

Conservative Tree House, identifying some of the actors and timing.

Breaking – ICIG Whistleblower Form Recently Modified to Permit Complaint “Heard From Others”…
Posted on September 27, 2019 by sundance
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/09/27/breaking-icig-whistleblower-form-recently-modified-to-permit-complaint-heard-from-others/

I went through the 7 page dossier with a highlighter and found 30 instances of second or third hand mentions with sentences that begin with words like – “I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that…” The references change slightly but they always end with “…that…” (There are a couple appendix pages which are redacted and only include information already included earlier in the opposition research on the first 7 pages)
.
I also highlighted instances that reference only publicly available information such as articles, interviews, public statements and tweets, such as – “In an interview with Fox News…” These numbered 30 as well.
.
I then highlighted all the information that included or followed these references. Almost everything was yellow. Fully, the last four pages consisted of online research that had nothing to do with what he witnessed or heard around the water cooler. The only remaining paragraphs were the first paragraph and other paragraphs that his attorney inserted as CYA and a paragraph of conclusions on the first page that I really don’t think he was qualified to make.
.
In other words, without stripping the first hand knowledge requirement, this is a big nothing.

I keep picturing Wile E. Coyote going “SPLAT” against the canyon wall while the road runner keeps painting “Tunnel. Here.” On the rockface.

Beep, beep.

The issue is deeper than separately discussing the IG complaint and the silent change made to the 1st/2nd person report rule.

When I read the complaint and saw the format, research and depth of references (to answer every technical question that could arise), I got the feeling that this was a serious team effort; submission of a professionally developed paper. I haven’t seen better multi-layer-staffed papers coming out of DC in quite some time.

As to the formal (and silent) policy changes, there has to be an electronic paper trail of why the change was initiated who initiated it?), who staffed the change (who participated in making the change draft through final form) and who signed off on the change (who did so with intentional lack of notice to the community?). These changes don’t simply happen by magic. Where does the trail lead?

The soft-coup continues. The complaint itself and the brand new silent 1st Person-account-no-longer-required change to support it…. confirm it as still ongoing.

    Doesn’t the OMB track all form revisions and price out the cost of their processing?

    I ran into that when dealing with a corrupt nursing home who punted my father off of his 100 days of Medicare benefits by executing a CMS NOMNC form. They admin gave me quite a runaround so I research the form and its usage through CMS and I found every example of the form had an expiry date and OMB control number to identify the form. The form used by the nursing home had an OMB number but instead of an expiry date, they had an old approved date. That approved date preceded a significant change in Medicare CMS procedures by several years which suggested the nursing home was operating to old, outdated procedures – not reflective of the change in Medicare law (Jim Mo vs Sebelius). And that helped me prove wrongdoing by the nursing home and ultimately void their fraudulent charges.

    The OMB form numbering and revision control is similar to what my former employer used in Quality Assurance. Without that QA auditing background, I’d never have suspected the forms funny-business by the nursing home.

    I would love to chase the paper trail on the complaint form revision. No idea though if the OMB controls the whistleblower form and procedures for costing / change management.

I am apparently a weaker man than Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRzBNGGb-zc

A video featuring some muscovite chicks some Russian oligarch has assembled for apparently no good purpose.

“Crystals “Glad All Over” featuring the ROAR of the Jacksonville Jaguars NFL team”

Well, the evil Russian oligarch and Roger Goodell. So you know nothing good can come of this marriage made in hell.

Must.

Not.

Collude.

Must.

Not.

….

Oh, the hell with it. I so want to collude with these babes. I will resist the temptation if any of you are willing to supply women from friendlier nations I can collude with.

Who made the modification and what in the law allows then to do that?
____________________________________________________________

this–am a guest here so try and behave as such but am truly concerned about this on-going nonsense with POTUS–to me, it seems that with this ” secret ” change of the relevant form, all this telephone call nonsense(and even the implications of biden’s nefarious activities) are a distraction from the main purpose here, that being to remove the burden of viable proof which has literally been swept away–how in god’s name is that even possible? have no doubt that many of the best-of-the-best in y’all’s profession read and post here so am asking, as a layman, what can and should be done about this?–if hearsay/2nd & 3rd party information is sufficient to potentially impeach the president does not seem a great leap to then extend the same standards to ordinary citizens.

    You nailed the basic problem. All of those men that have been worrying about the implications of having women in the workplace understand it too.

    We have a national political party that is engaging in trial by fury, in a country where such activity is inexcusable.

    The whole point of our Constitutional system of limited government, divided power, specific, explicit protections for the accused in our Constitution, specific procedures with high barriers regarding removal from office of members of all three branches of government, and due process of law is to put a stop to show trials, witch hunts, and kangaroo courts.

    If the US President cannot hold an innocuous phone conversation with a foreign head of state without the CIA leaking it and Congress misusing it, nobody is safe, anywhere.

    What to do about that? We write our Senators and Congressmen, especially the Democrats. We tell them this nonsense will cease, or we will vote against them, and turn them out of office at the next regularly scheduled election. We contribute money to anybody but a Democrat’s campaign. We search for good candidates. We run for office, all offices, from school board through US Senator. We volunteer to monitor voting sites and the vote count. We vote.

    Nobody can do everything, but we each can play a part.

This opens up endless possibilities.
Anybody can whistle-blow anything on anyone at any time.
Completely unsubstantiated.
Ok, may as well get started now. Let’s bury them.

what they didn’t remove was the ack of the penalty for filing a false report, up to 10k fine and up to 5 years in prison

    Arminius in reply to ronk. | September 29, 2019 at 12:11 am

    Yes, I’m still waiting for the other shoe to drop;

    I really want to give Bill Barr the benefit of the doubt.

    Waiting. Waiting.

    She confessed to the crime.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/02/brett-kavanaugh-accuser-referred-fbi-doj-investigation/1863210002/

    “…Grassley, in a letter to the Department of Justice and FBI, said a woman by the name of Judy Munro-Leighton took responsibility for authoring an anonymous letter that made allegations that Kavanaugh and a friend raped her. After she was tracked down and interviewed by Senate investigators, the woman recanted and said she was not, in fact. the author and had never met Kavanaugh…”

    There’s nothing “alleged” about this. Munro-Leighton told Senatorial staffers she just plain lied about Kavanaugh raping her in Oceanside, Kali. She had in fact never been to Kali and she never met Brett Kavanaugh. She admitted she just made the story up to derail his confirmation.

    Waiting. Waiting.

    What she did meets several definitions of a variety of crimes.

    Waiting. Waiting.

Am I somehow misspelling “slam dunk?” Or am I misspelling “attorney general?” I must be misspelling something because I got side tracked into stand up comedy on my way to law school.

Even I could prosecute this and get a conviction with this fact pattern.

    Arminius in reply to Arminius. | September 29, 2019 at 12:34 am

    You may have picked up on the fact I’m no good at stand up comedy.

    This is deliberate.

    The last time I tried stand up was at a comedy club, open mike night, with a guy whose dream it was to be a comedian. But he got cold feet. So I said, “I’ll get up and tell a few jokes and then you follow me. You can’t possibly be worse than I’ll be.”

    Boy, was I wrong.

    His lady friend was screaming, “No! No!” as he tried to drag her on stage, apparently thinking that would help. I still have the scars from where she hung onto me. He was even worse than the black guy who had previously tried to make fun of people for having white teeth.

    Me and the black folks were looking at each other, asking, “Huh?”

    He was so bad, his girl friend was collapsed in a sobbing heap, that we turned out the lights and we all left.

    Later I told him, “Never listen to me when it comes to comedy. My instincts are all wrong.”

I only recently got the circulation back in my left arm. That girl had some kind of grip, I’ll tell you what.

Maybe you think I’m joking.

To think there are still people out there who deny the existence of the Deep State.

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