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Mass Shootings in El Paso, TX and Dayton, OH

Mass Shootings in El Paso, TX and Dayton, OH

The El Paso suspect is in police custody; the Dayton suspect was shot dead by police at the scene

https://youtu.be/fvKsYAqf78w

There have been two mass shootings this weekend.  One, in El Paso, Texas, left 20 people dead and over 24 others injured.  The second one took place in Dayton, Ohio and left at least nine people dead and more than two dozen injured.

We know a bit more about the El Paso shooting that took place at a shopping center on Saturday morning.  The suspect is currently in police custody.

The Washington Examiner reports:

Twenty people were killed and more than two dozen others were injured in a late-morning shooting at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, Gov. Greg Abbott announced Saturday evening.

“Texas grieves with the people of El Paso today,” the Republican governor said in a press conference joined by other officials and law enforcement.

El Paso Police Chief Greg Allen said the suspect in custody is a 21-year-old white man from Allen, Texas. He would not name the individual, but a law enforcement source in El Paso told the Washington Examiner that Patrick Crusius was taken custody.

Allen said the first call to police came in at 10:39 a.m., and the first police officer arrived on the scene in six minutes. Allen said there were 26 people who were injured in the shooting. He also said the state of Texas would be the lead agency prosecuting the suspect, and potential capital murder charges are being considered.

Allen said investigators have a manifesto believed to be from the suspect that “indicates to some degree, has a nexus to potential hate crime.” Investigators looking for a motive were examining online postings by the suspect, who is from Allen, Texas, a northern suburb of Dallas.

Watch the report:

President Trump weighed in, strongly condemning the alleged actions of the suspect.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1157868518823596032

The Dayton shooting occurred in the overnight hours and less is known at this point.  The suspect was reportedly shot and killed by police at the scene.

ABC News reports:

In the second mass shooting in less than 14 hours, at least nine people are dead and more than two dozen wounded after someone opened fire in downtown Dayton, Ohio, early Sunday, according to police.

In addition, the suspected shooter was shot and killed by responding officers within one minute of opening fire, Mayor Nan Whaley said at a Sunday morning press conference. Police said they were only aware of one shooter.

Authorities responded quickly to the shooting, first reported at 1 a.m., and said police are regularly present in the crowded district popular with tourists and locals.

. . . . The shooting took place in Dayton’s Oregon District, a collection of bars, restaurants and local businesses in the city’s downtown. The entire shooting took place outside, police said.

Watch the report:

These are developing stories, and we will have more as more becomes known.

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smalltownoklahoman | August 4, 2019 at 10:28 am

Two senseless tragedies back to back, crazy! I think it emphasizes once again that we need better mental health care in this nation. That kid in El Paso was showing signs for a couple years from what I’ve read before he went and did this. The Ohio guy, well I haven’t even see his name released yet so can’t really say much about him other than he seemed better prepared to deal with the cops when they arrived (body armor). His body count might have been higher had officers not been able to respond as quickly as they did. At least we have the suspect in El Paso alive and in custody so that he can face justice for the evil he committed, man only way he’s avoiding the death penalty is if he’s legally ruled insane!

    apparently the El Paso shooter was a Bernie supporter

    his social media was wiped almost immediately after the shooting – which tells you he was likely a hard left goon

    however the mainstream media will obviously ignore the shooter and instead target that the “guns” were the problem

    I’m not sure how having better mental care facilities will affect these crazies

    the media (along with the Democrats) are drumming up this kind of behavior with their anti-Trump attacks every single day

    instead the Republicans always seem to play defense when these kind of events happen instead of putting the lion’s share of the blame on the real instigators

    the Congressman shooting a couple years back should have been the wake-up call for the Republican brand to really start nailing these acts on the Democrats and media enablers but most lack the balls to call them out on it

      healthguyfsu in reply to fishstick. | August 4, 2019 at 11:51 am

      I have not seen that he was a Bernie supporter anywhere.

        I haven’t either. The except from his supposed manifesto below makes him look like an environmental wacko instead o f white nationalist. Which is what the news shows were pushing this morning –

        “…our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heaing the destruction of our environment by shamelessly over harvesting resources. This has been a problem for decades. For example, this phenomenon is brilliantly portrayed in the decades old classic “The Lorax”. Water sheds around the country, especially in agricultural areas, are being depleted. Fresh water is being polluted from farming and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent. Urban sprawl create s inefficient cities which unnecessarily destroys millions of acres of land. We even use god knows how many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water off our hands. Everything I have seen and heard in my short life has led me to believe that the average American isn’t willing to change their lifestyle, even if the changes only cause a slight inconvenience. The government is unwilling to tackle these issues beyond empty promises since they are owned by corporations. Corporations that also like immigration because more people means a bigger market for their products. I just want to say that I love the people of this country, but god damn most of y’all are just too stubborn to change your lifestyle. So the next logical step is to decrease the number of people in America using resources. If we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can become more sustainable.”

          Exiliado in reply to BKC. | August 4, 2019 at 1:21 pm

          Typical leftard talking points.
          Most likely a Bernie supporter indeed.

          healthguyfsu in reply to BKC. | August 4, 2019 at 1:43 pm

          That actually sounds a lot like zeitgeist propaganda.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist_(film_series)

          I detest the hypocrisy of the typical crowds of politicizers, but I see no evidence that he was that different from Dylan Roof.

          Milhouse in reply to BKC. | August 4, 2019 at 3:24 pm

          The except from his supposed manifesto below makes him look like an environmental wacko instead o f white nationalist

          Actually it makes him look like both, just like the Christchurch shooter whom he was copying. They’re not at all contradictory; the nazis were nature worshipers and the founding membership of the German Green movement was full of former nazis.

          Antifundamentalist in reply to BKC. | August 4, 2019 at 6:00 pm

          Sounds like Thanos from the Marvel Universe.

        And you won’t, because his social media has already been altered.

          SDN in reply to SDN. | August 4, 2019 at 1:55 pm

          Oh, and you’ll have to use Brave, because Google said the page doesn’t exist.

          Paul In Sweden in reply to SDN. | August 4, 2019 at 2:51 pm

          Leftists Change Shooter Patrick Crusius’s MyLife Page after Saturday Shooting from Democrat to Republican

          The Walmart – Cielo Vista Mall shooter in El Paso, Texas was identified this afternoon as Patrick Crusius from a Allen, Texas outside of Dallas.

          Washington Examiner reporter Anna Giaritelli posted the name and a photos of the alleged shooter, sourced to law enforcement, “A law enforcement official in El Paso told me the Walmart shooter is in custody. Patrick Crusius of Dallas. Just turned 21 years old this week.”

          Patrick Crusius has a profile on MyLife.com.

          MyLife is an American information brokerage founded in 2002 as Reunion.com. MyLife gathers personal information through public records and other sources to automatically generate a “MyLife Public Page” for each person, described by MyLife as a “complete Wikipedia-like biography on every American.”

          At 2:46 PM today MyLife had this profile for the deranged killer Patrick Crusius.

          His original profile at 2:46 said he was a registered Democrat.

          At 2:50 PM leftists changed his political affiliation from Democrat to Republican.

          At 2:52 his profile was changed again.

          His description now says he is a Republican and QAnon member.

          By Saturday night his profile includes anti-Jewish slurs and links him to Trump and Jeffrey Epstein and calls him an Evangelical Christian.

          This is really horrible.

          –Leftists Change Shooter Patrick Crusius’s MyLife Page after Saturday Shooting from Democrat to Republican
          –https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/leftists-change-shooter-patrick-crusiuss-mylife-page-after-saturday-shooting-from-democrat-to-republican/

      puhiawa in reply to fishstick. | August 4, 2019 at 1:37 pm

      We have read accounts of social media entries being wiped out immediately after or before a killing for some years now. In the instant case, much appears to have been wiped after the shooting as to hide from the public the motive and personality of the shooter. However from the 2015 San Bernardino to the present, the information is never really gone. It simply is deposited in the hard drives and servers of Facebook, Twitter etc. Isn’t it time we saw the information re San Berardino, Parkland, Las Vegas etc.?

      Sian in reply to fishstick. | August 4, 2019 at 3:06 pm

      Because attacking the 1A is a harder sell than attacking the 2A.

      Something clearly needs to be done about the media’s “clicks and ad money over all else” paradigm but how?

    Paul In Sweden in reply to smalltownoklahoman. | August 4, 2019 at 11:09 am

    There has been a movement to keep violent mentally ill people out of mental hospitals. One day in NYC in the late 80s or early 90s I remember the victory story of the two left-wing champions celebrating their court victory of freeing their mentally ill client from a mental facility and a few days later not being able to get on to the 51st and Lexington Ave station because that same freed mental patient pushed somebody onto the tracks.

    James Holmes, the Aurora, Colorado shooter saw three different mental health caregivers in a desperate cry for help to no avail. One of the Mental Health people said that they were considering committing him involuntarily but did not because they feared he would get angry… smh

    If you allow crazy people and criminals to wander the streets the consequences are predictable.

    Sorry, but the way I see it, the Ohio shooter already faced “justice for the evil he committed”.
    The El Paso one will now be granted a litany of opportunities and second chances that his victims didn’t have.

      Paul In Sweden in reply to Exiliado. | August 4, 2019 at 10:56 pm

      If corrections facilities could actually correct, that would be great. Corrections facilities generally do not correct criminal behavior. Justice? There is no justice for the victims of violent crime as they can never be made whole again.

      Jails and prisons IMO serve to isolate criminals from society. It is a simple task which is generally done poorly. Revolving doors on prisons seem to be the problem.

      A criminal executed or locked behind bars will not be murdering, raping, beating, robing or terrorizing law abiding people in society. That is the best we can do. This notion that we can dispense justice in the face of violent crime is hubris.

    Mental health has nothing to do with it. It’s shameless narcissism plaguing the nation’s young, and it was created by the left, has been foisted on our young for the past 30 years.

    Between antifia and the likes of these idiots shooting people, it’s coming to full fruition.

    Recently in Japan, a like-minded asshole burned 33 people to death. No guns in Japan, remember?
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/japan-anime-studio-fire-you-die-33-killed

    Our population is so poisoned, the only thing that will protect us is honest citizens being allowed to carry concealed firearms. Murders like these wanna-be Camera Hoggs would be cut down the second they produced a weapon. THAT, is the answer.

      Paul In Sweden in reply to TheFineReport.com. | August 4, 2019 at 11:30 pm

      FineReport, No, mental health in a significant number of cases is a factor which must be addressed. We should not let violent crazy or criminal people walk our streets or enter our country. This is asking for trouble.

      It does not matter if a raging wild fire is started by an arsonist or lightning. You get all the people out of its way and kill it. It is foolish after the fact to say,oh well, it was lightning, it is a freak natural thing. Fire breaks, forest maintenance, fire preventive plans, forest fire risk assessments and emergency response resources need to be put in place.

      A mentally unstable person needs to be evaluated, helped if possible and isolated if needed prior to disaster.

      It does not matter to me if a person killed three people on a street corner because of a bad drug deal or because he has a screw loose and his invisible dog Sam told him to do it. I want that person to remain isolated from society until that person is too frail, broken or old to ever cause anymore destruction in our law abiding society.

      Stop letting nuts out of the nuthouse. Do not let crazy people immigrate into our country.

      While we are at it, I think it is high time that we take a serious look where those young people for the last 30 years or so that you note in your comment were indoctrinated with anti-family, Marxist, by any means necessary values and behavioral patterns that are so destructive to not just society but western civilization itself.

      This comment also posted on Minds:
      https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1004954268511522816

    jasperjava in reply to smalltownoklahoman. | August 4, 2019 at 3:01 pm

    The shooter was a right-wing anti-immigrant white nationalist. Any honest analysis of his motives and manifesto make that clear. This tragedy would not have happened if Trump hadn’t whipped up anti-immigrant hysteria for the last four years and poisoning the weak minds of his followers. “They bring crime and disease”, people of color should “go back where they came from”, It’s an “invasion”, an “infestation”, etc. This kind of rhetoric inspired the killer. His social media postings shows that he’s a Trump fan. He even reposted a picture of Trump’s name spelled out using guns.

      Shooter was an eco-fascist who blamed both the left and right for his own inadequacies.

        Paul In Sweden in reply to Sian. | August 4, 2019 at 11:49 pm

        It sounds to me that the El Paso shooter had too much Leftist Elite White Supremacist Margaret Sanger Planned Parenthood and EcoNut Democrat Socialist Bernie/AOC indoctrination in his head.

      Milhouse in reply to jasperjava. | August 4, 2019 at 3:25 pm

      What are you talking about? Citations, please. So far, every shooter has been anti-Trump; I suppose there’s a first time for everything, but I’d like some evidence that this is it.

      MarkS in reply to jasperjava. | August 4, 2019 at 3:40 pm

      Good recitation of all the provided talking points of the DNC

      PODKen in reply to jasperjava. | August 4, 2019 at 6:18 pm

      All sorts of people let themselves get pushed to their limits by rhetoric. Trump is not the only one that shoots his mouth off.

      Barry in reply to jasperjava. | August 4, 2019 at 9:20 pm

      I’ll just note here what an evil lying SOB you are.

      I’m sure there was still blood flowing when you began your sick dance on the graves of the victims.

      Since everything you say is a lie, and you know it, you are evil on the order of the killer.

      Exiliado in reply to jasperjava. | August 5, 2019 at 8:26 am

      Trump has done nothing you accuse him of.
      It’s the left, racist idiots like yourself, the ones putting words in Trump’s mouth with the purpose of creating hate and division.
      You are disgusting.

    A very slow and very painful death would be justice.

The Friendly Grizzly | August 4, 2019 at 10:52 am

Either we are having a ramping up of false flag stuff, or, stuffing people full of psychotropic drugs is coming home to roost.

My firearms people tell me that particular Walmart is a “no gun” one so CHL of no use where it could have been

unless the el paso guy surrendered am not sure why he was taken alive

kudos to the officers in the ohio incident–unless you can interdict a lone wolf shooting BEFORE it begins(almost impossible to do), one minute response time is damn quick and they did what they had to do–thank you to them

prayers for the fallen and the injured

In addition, the suspected shooter was shot and killed by responding officers within one minute of opening fire

Within one minute of who opening fire? The police or the suspect?

If it took the police a minute to kill their target after they started shooting, well, OK, but it’s hardly a world record.

And if the police arrived, assessed the situation, and acquired and dispatched a likely target in one minute after the suspect started shooting . . . I don’t believe it.

We no longer have the opportunity to mourn after the loss of life from tragedy. Instead, the event instantly becomes a tool for evil men and women seeking to exploit it for political gain. A shooting becomes an excuse to target certain members of our society (gun owners, white men, etc) for persecution and murder. A tornado or earthquake or other natural disaster leads the Global Warming cultists to call for humanity to be enslaved in the Holy Name of Gaia.

The world is a dangerous place. But, Americans have forgotten that. Most Americans suffer from the Disney Land syndrome. They feel safe, nearly all of the time. Now, statistically, they are correct. The average person IS safe from physical attack most of the time, in this country. That is why incidents such as these mass shootings get so much media coverage. Statistically they are very, very rare. When they become common place, like the weekly shooting incidents in places like Chicago, they get almost no coverage. Also, statistically, there is almost nothing which can be done to prevent mass attacks. One thing that can be done, is intervention at the time of the attack by another armed individual.

In order for a legally armed individual to intervene in one of these incidents, he has to have two things; a firearm and the will and training to use it effectively. And, that is lacking in our society. Interestingly, in states which allow citizens to carry firearms, a minuscule portion of the population actually is armed in public. Records, from the states which require licensing for carry, show that only about 5% of the population is licensed for carry. This is even in states which have very liberal shall license laws. And, only about half of those actually carry on a regular basis. If you cut the population numbers in half, to eliminate children and those not legally allowed access to firearms, you still have about 10% of those eligible to carry so authorized and only about 5% who actually carry on a regular basis. This is a very small number. Then you have those who do carry, legally, who are largely untrained and unwilling to use their carry firearm effectively. This further reduces the available pool of lawful defenders. We live in a society where people rarely have to defend themselves from attack. While this is a very good thing, generally, it can prove disastrous for the individual when they are the subject of an attack.

What has to be done, to reduce or eliminate these types of attacks, requires a change in the basic world view and philosophy of the average American. They have to see the world around them as something which is, in fact dangerous, and take steps to provide for their personal security. There are always crazy people and mental health issues can come on suddenly. Drug induced violence can also come about without warning. So, changes in mental health laws and practices are of limited effectiveness. While firearms are most often used in these types of attacks, today, historically, various other means have been used, in some cases with far greater efficiency. And, with the black market in firearms in this country, firearms are readily available to those who can not legally obtain them. So, banning certain types of firearms or even all firearms is not very effective, as it impacts lawful owners who are unlikely to use the weapon illegally fr more than it does the illegal user. People wear seat belts to protect themselves in an automobile and airplane crash. They wear motorcycle helmets to protect themselves from injury in a motorcycle crash. They wear shoes and gloves to protect their feet and hands. They keep fire extinguishers nearby to protect themselves from fires. So, why not be armed to protect themselves from attack?

    alaskabob in reply to Mac45. | August 4, 2019 at 1:12 pm

    The utopian promise is always just few more “first step” laws away. Many will give up much for the sense of security. Nothing new….Ben Franklin saw it. Still, the last two generations have given us a slew of killers starting with Purdy in Stockton…gaining attention and notoriety by mayhem. A formula is now well set that gets attention and fame. It provides politicians with a utopian opportunity to create their better world (of diminished liberty and greater governmental control).

    Gremlin1974 in reply to Mac45. | August 4, 2019 at 1:27 pm

    “Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.” – Thomas Jefferson

    Translated: “I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.”

    “So, why not be armed to protect themselves from attack?”

    That is antithetical to the left’s fascist plan for our nation.

Looks like he was wearing hearing protection while on his mission.

The Deep State is truly terrified about declassification, isn’t it?

The dude in El Paso was an antifa getting ready for their “gathering”.

Oversoul Of Dusk | August 4, 2019 at 12:50 pm

A third mass shooting, this one in Chicago. I don’t expect this one to get much press:
http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/7-wounded-in-shooting-near-chicago-playground

It is clear that this is the third mentally ill person who has done almost the same thing in a mass shooting. They are spraying of the weapon, which allows them to kill without specifically targeting someone. That action might make it easier to think about shooting people.

What is odd to me is the El Paso shooter surviving. Not that the police tried to take him alive, but that he didn’t kill himself as the California shooter did after he was shot by the police. Of the three states, California, Ohio and Texas, Texas is the one who has active death penalty and will execute. The positive is that the police do have one shooter behind one of the three incidents alive and the likelihood is that he ‘will’ talk. Some of the background behind the motives, the real ones, will be obtained.

I’m trying very hard to see these as three insane young men copying each other, as does often happen, but it seems more like something being manipulated behind the scenes.

    “What is odd to me is the El Paso shooter surviving….”

    Why? He wants to be a Camera Hogg.

      Mass shooters typically do not want to survive the carnage they inflict. Additionally, survival means the police get to interrogate him, not a good thing for hiding motives. The Texas police will film to cover themselves on the interrogations but those films will not see public consumption, other than possibly in court. And he’s in Texas. He’ll get court room sketches, no filming. This isn’t California, and he knows that too.

        Voyager in reply to kyrrat. | August 4, 2019 at 5:21 pm

        He may not realize that. I’m suspecting he’s after the same sort of thing as the Christchurch shooter was: chaos and notoriety. His manifesto is pretty much guaranteed to have both sides saying he’s from then other side, and historically it takes years, if ever, for even a convicted murder to be put to death. He may well be expecting to live out his natural life basking in the notoriety of his actions.

        So, thinking he’s most likely a violent nihlist who just wants to bring as much pain as he can and see if he can get away with it.

    Sian in reply to kyrrat. | August 4, 2019 at 3:13 pm

    “They are spraying of the weapon, which allows them to kill without specifically targeting someone. That action might make it easier to think about shooting people.”

    That’s completely contrary to eyewitness accounts.

The whole of “mental health professionals” and their schools should be class actioned for inflicting all of the nutso whack jobs on the rest of us. Most of the mass shooters have histories of mental illnesses. These crazies cannot be drugged into sanity. They are put into society by shrinks with little if any supervision and everyone is so suprised that they snap and kill groups of citizens.

    Milhouse in reply to Romey. | August 4, 2019 at 3:32 pm

    They are not “put into society”. They’re there, and thank God shrinks no longer have the power to lock people up forever on their say-so.

I find the timing to be highly suspect. I’m convinced that some group is behind all this. Evil men have performed evil deeds since Cain killed Abel.

I know nothing of Dayton, but the Garlic Killer and the El Paso killer have something in common. Both are marginally leftwingers, near soyboys, and gamers, who have reacted to the orchestrated invasion of America by Latin Americans. Their mental illness has fixated on the issue and clearly the invasion triggered this violence.

    kyrrat in reply to puhiawa. | August 4, 2019 at 2:28 pm

    Not so sure the connection you think is there is a true correlation. The garlic festival killer was complaining about Silicon Valley [email protected] and mestizo. The term mestizo means mixed in Spanish, and is generally used throughout Latin America to describe people of mixed ancestry with a white European and an indigenous background. Neither of those really relates to any of the populations currently at the borders.

      BerettaTomcat in reply to kyrrat. | August 4, 2019 at 8:46 pm

      The Spanish American Empire was quite precise about their taxonomy of race mixtures, known as La Casta:

      https://www.wikiwand.com/es/Casta

      For example:

      – the offspring of a Spaniard and an Amerindian is a Mestizo,
      – the offspring of a Spaniard and Mestizo is a Castizo,
      – the offspring of a Spaniard and Castizo is a Spaniard.

      Another:

      – the offspring of a Spaniard and Black is a Mulatto,
      – the offspring of a Spaniard and Mulatto is a Morisco,
      – the offspring of a Spaniard and Morisco is an Alibino,
      – the offspring of a Spaniard and Albino is a Torna Atrás (a “throw back” to the looks of a Spaniard).

      In modern Mexico this racial taxonomy has been simplified by regarding all Mexicans as Mestizos, despite the population varying rather uniformally along the spectrum of Caucasian and Amerindian genomes with all mixtures in between.

      La Casta was applied similarly in other regions of the Spanish Empire, but from our North American perspective Mestizo refers to someone of mixed Caucasian and Amerindian ancestry.

Like licking ice cream or pissing on potatoes, these shootings are all the same, just degrees of narcissism nurtured by the left, and unleashed on our culture.

The leftists controlling their useful idiots at American universities had a lot more in mind when they promoted the concept of being “triggered.”

Hang on to your gun rights, because the left can ONLY prevail if they’re taken away.

And watch how fascistic the left will be if and when they have power over us:

Democratic socialists convention erupts due to ‘sensory overload,’ gendered pronoun usage:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democratic-socialists-convention-erupts-due-to-sensory-overload-gendered-pronoun-usage

healthguyfsu | August 4, 2019 at 1:48 pm

The left did make movies like the rampage series (look it up if you want but don’t give them the benefit of your dollars)…but violent video games and movies don’t cause this sort of thing right? (even though the movie is literally a dramatization of this very action!).

Memo to gun grabbers and CNN (is that redundant). Firearms are not the only way to kill people. Remember the Happy Land Fire.

The Texas Lieutenant Governor had a good point. We don’t ban cars because of DUIs.

Nothing like Chicago that a dozen or two are shot to death weekly (also check Baltimore, Detroit…), but somehow that is never news.

My nearest Wal-Mart is in Cody, WY. The tourists often have fits when they see someone open carry. Needless to say, if something like this – someone brandishing a rifle entering a Wal-Mart, he would be surrounded by a large number of men and women(!) pointing their guns (there are very darling CCW purses!). If he aimed he would be several pounds heavier with lead before hitting the floor. He might get one shot off.

There is near zero crime. A prominent news story was of an RV that apparently caught fire – no one hurt – but our voluenteer firefighters put it out. A burglary is front page news. There are occasional murders, often some drug dealer in a remote place.

Were there any pro-gun bills under consideration in their respective legislatures that will now likely die? If I recall correctly Florida has had some suspiciously timed gun murders that killed bills.

The Dayton OH shooter killed his sister and her boyfriend at the start. There’s a family dynamic there that has nothing to do with ideology, politics, or any other nonsense. And odds are- we’ll never find what that is. More akin to Adam Lanza killing his mother before going on his rampage.

    alaskabob in reply to gospace. | August 4, 2019 at 5:24 pm

    After the first murder, all the rest are “free”….murder one and life in prison, murder 10,20,more and life in prison…. in states without death penalty. Most shooters are on a suicide mission and they will do whatever to get their way. For the El Paso murderer I’d love a go at drawn and quartered. Bringing back quaint old practices….

    RNJD in reply to gospace. | August 4, 2019 at 11:00 pm

    I agree with your analysis, gospace. If this was a random shooting, what are the chances he’d go to the exact location where his sister just happened to be and kill her immediately? Occam’s razor suggests this was no random terrorist act, and the majority of the dead/wounded were collateral damage. He might have been inspired by the El Paso shooter, but I doubt there was an underlying political philosophy involved.

How could this loser in El Paso not have been taken out by a Texan with a CCP?

5 4 fighting | August 4, 2019 at 5:06 pm

Jealously of his sister and boyfriend and the social life they had and he did not. Nothing political or ideology.

Any one erasing social media is guilty of obstruction of justice or tampering with evidence.

Anyone except Facebook or Google who are above the law. And will be protected by CNN and all the other “news” organizations who are above the law.

There was a driveby shooting that injured or killed in Chitown, but we can’t be bringing that up…

Hey, it wasn’t a synagogue. I would add it wasn’t a church like the last big TX massacre but no one cares if Christians are slaughtered en masse at worship. The OH was maybe a Bernie Bro – Democrat Satanist!. The EP was a watermelon worried about the environmet and employment.

Alaskabob: That reasoning does not apply in texas. The number he killed takes him to death penalty. Texas can, and does execute. No moriatorium and shortest time of any state from conviction to execution. Not really something to brag about in my opinion but it is the reality.

Until there is a duty to protect mandated for owners of the gun free zones and we do a better job reviewing, screening and reporting Looney internet posts so that federal and local law enforcement can intervene prior then this will continue.

Both the Wal-Mart and the mall are fun free zones. So illegal to open or conceal carry, thus no good guy with a gun until PD arrive. This loon apparently had an interesting internet presence even before his manifesto was on line. Also someone had to know him well enough to tip off that the kid needed help.

    Gremlin1974 in reply to CommoChief. | August 4, 2019 at 8:27 pm

    And what wingless angel do you suggest that we get to review, screen, and report on those posts. Not to mention who do you suggest we trust to decide what is over the line, or for that matter where the line even is?

      CommoChief in reply to Gremlin1974. | August 4, 2019 at 8:54 pm

      Lighten up Francis. It isn’t so much the who as the what. In other words a clear, concise objective set of behaviors/communication which very strongly correlate to violence. In other words use profiling just as the Israeli government does in their management of air travel.

      Could this be abused, sure. If we imposed strict and receivable criteria so that an individual can not be ‘put away’ based off a beat cop’s hunch or a disgruntled former spouse etc and a judge has to sign off based on an evaluation of evidence in a hearing maybe that will cut down the ‘swatting’ aspect that you are worried about.

      Bottom line is the dots are usually there just not connected until after the event, we need to act proactively when appropriate i.e. behavior indicates violence or danger to self or others. If a minimum threshold isn’t reached then continue to monitor but not lock up in psychiatric hospital.

      FYI _ it didn’t take my nearly four years deployed to Iraq with lots of trigger time to figure out there are no wingless angels. I read the founders; ‘if men were angels there would be no need for government…..

    I have yet to find conclusive poof of that particular walmart’s status. Mind I wouldn’t be surprised at all, being right on the national border in the middle of a deep blue zone.

Used to live Bellbrook, OH – home of the Dayton shooter. Bellbrook is a nice small suburb (about 7,000)

Close The Fed | August 4, 2019 at 8:31 pm

Texas will not hesitate to give him the death penalty. I am very sad for my country, if the person who did it actually wrote the writing attributed to him, and if what was written included his actual motives. If so, it’s very demoralizing indeed. Very, very sad.

People have tried to blame these shootings on mental illness. While a factor, it is not the root cause. White supremacy is not the cause. The cause is liberal/Progressive dogma.

in 2008, white supremacist organizations were all but extinct. Your local Klan rally attracted far more LEOs, than it did Klansmen. We were well on the way to becoming a colorblind society. This all changed during the Obama years. The racial grievance industry cranked itself up. Every conflict between a white man and a black American became a racial attack on a minority, especially if it involved a white police officer. And then President Obama sided with the minority member, whether facts indicated that the white American acted appropriately. This attack upon white men then moved into the female v male arena, with organizations such as Code Pink and the #MeToo movement. Again, the liberal/Progressive machine was targeting white males. During the Trump Administration, the liberal/Progressives have quadrupled down on the anti-white rhetoric. Increased attacks on whites, especially white males, increased support for criminal activity of minorities and the ultimate attack on white males, the persecution of President Donald J. Trump. Add to that the mantra of the last decade that global warming is going to kill us and, now, the claim that we have only a decade left to live and certain lunatics will be triggered. It does not help that the MSM and the rest of the liberal/Progressive galaxy is supporting the illegal violence of groups such as AntiFa as being justified in the fight against those that they consider their enemies.

So, white males feel that they are under attack, either by or in favor of minorities. Some feel that they have to force government to enact draconian environmental measures in order to keep man-made global warming from destroying the planet and killing them. Some have subscribed to the liberal/Progressive mantra that government, corporate America and organized Christian religion are all agents of oppression. And, they are being indoctrinated to believe that violence, directed toward random strangers, is justified by a vocal portion of society. And, the unstable among them are going to act out of fear and a perceived justification to use violence to make themselves feel better.

And, guns are not the only instrument used to dispense this violence. We have seen several instances where motor vehicles were used. Take away the guns and people prone to violence will simply use other means to cause death, injury and destruction.

The left created this problem, through their rhetoric. It is time that they were forced to own it.

texansamurai | August 5, 2019 at 3:06 pm

just a hypothetical for the defense attys present–in one of these ” gun free ” zones, if was there myself and in close enough proximity to stop this guy either with my hands or a blade, if elect to cut the guy and dispatch him with a kbar, are my actions justified?–would think if legal to cap a guy like this and kill him should also be legal to cut the guy and kill him–would that be a correct assumption?

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