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CNN’s Stelter: I didn’t hear my guest say Trump responsible for more deaths than Hitler, Stalin, Mao

CNN’s Stelter: I didn’t hear my guest say Trump responsible for more deaths than Hitler, Stalin, Mao

CNN Guest: Trump “may be responsible for many more million deaths than they were.”

Dr. Allen Francis, the former chairman of the Psychiatry Department at Duke University, claimed that President Donald Trump “may be more responsible for many more million deaths” that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.

He said these comments to Brian Stetler on CNN’s Reliable Sources. Stetler did not push back.

Instead, Stetler insisted he did not hear Francis’s accusations.

Francis does not like it when psychiatrists violate the “Goldwater Rule,” which states that it goes against their ethics to provide any professional opinion on public officials they have not examined.

I guess Francis does not care if he does it, even though he stressed he did not because “it was an insult to the mentally ill to compare them to him.”

From The Washington Examiner:

“Well, I think ‘medicalizing’ politics has three very dire consequences. The first is that it stigmatizes the mentally ill. I’ve known thousands of patients, almost all of them are well-behaved, well-mannered good people. Trump is none of these. Lumping that is a terrible insult to the mentally ill and they have enough problems and stigma as it is.”

“Second, calling Trump crazy hides the fact that we’re crazy for having elected him and even crazier for allowing his crazy policies to persist,” Frances went on. “Trump is as destructive a person in this century as Hitler, Stalin, Mao in the last century. He may be responsible for many more million deaths than they were.”

Someone should provide a history lesson to Francis. Chairman Mao Zedong is probably the top killer of the 20th century. His regime murdered at least 45 million people as he pushed through his Great Leap Forward.

Soviet Union leader Joseph Stalin murdered at least 20 million people during his oppressive regime. This includes millions in Ukraine from 1932 – 1933 with the man-made famine known as Holodomor.

Do I really need to discuss Adolf Hitler?

It is disgusting and insulting to the victims, survivors, and family members that not only died, but suffered under these regimes.

To make it worse Stetler has the audacity to claim that he did not hear these words tumble out of Francis’s mouth.

It’s weird because at the end of the video, Stetler responds to Francis.

Also, from what I have seen when I watch the news, if a host cannot hear a guest, he or she will say something and ask the guest to repeat the comments.

Stetler did not do any of those.


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CNN must have a thick booklet of “expert” loons on call. I hear that CNN is a money loser, being propped up by CNN International which is profitable.

The other thread about the New York Times having conniptions because some enterprising normies have decided to check out some of their staff’s old twitter feeds seems like an appropriate tie-in, here.

At least Stelter says he did not hear it, and should have countered it. That’s the best we can hope for in this circumstance. It also just might be true.

I see people deliberately trying to turn of the spigot of the Fake News.

‘Bout time.

    Proving again that Trump is worst than Hitler, an evil genius. Anyone who can inconspicuously kill more than a hundred million people is unquestionably a genius. Hitler even created an elaborate infrastructure to slaughter people. Stalin had monthly quotas. Castro executed “counter revolutionaries” on national television as entertainment. Mao and Pol Pot recruited children to rat on their parents. How did Trump do it?

    What a moron. How can this hold his position at Duke after this? A certifiably insane psychopath heading the psychology program? How crazy is that?

The old technical glitch defense again. I guess that the guest sitting across from him and everyone in the control had the same glitch.

    Petrushka in reply to buck61. | August 26, 2019 at 10:54 am

    Quit possibly the talking heads have no clue what to say without instructions being fed to them.

    Valerie in reply to buck61. | August 26, 2019 at 4:50 pm

    My assumption was that they were either transmitting from different places, or the interviewer had audio feeds in both ears.

Do people really believe that such extraordinarily outrageous statements actually help them?

    Milhouse in reply to NotCoach. | August 26, 2019 at 3:05 pm

    Quite possibly he doesn’t think it outrageous, and actually thinks it’s the truth. He probably has no idea how many people Stalin and Mao killed. And if he heard how many he wouldn’t believe it.

Costanza speaks!

If that panel isn’t the picture of objectivity, I don’t know what is.

Where’s the real counter-argument? It’s an echo chamber.

Silly season used to start after the nominations. I think it’s going to get worse.

JusticeDelivered | August 26, 2019 at 11:13 am

From what I have seen, mot psychiatrists are hanging on to reality by a thin thread. It seems that TDS was enough to push this one over the edge.

I suspect this lunatic overpowered his shrink and locked him in a closet at the “home” in order to assume his identity. This guy cannot possibly be a bona fide psychiatrist. No. Way.

The Friendly Grizzly | August 26, 2019 at 11:15 am

Thank you! Now, about that teeny tiny space between Reply and thumbs-down… (just a thought)…)

Has anyone ever noticed the earbuds ALL anchors wear? It is inconceivable that his staff did not contact him immediately when they heard this outlandish remark. Of all the absurd statements about Trump since the election, this has to be at the top of the list. And to believe that his own people didn’t prod him about it during the show is not believable. cnn is synonymous with lying and fake news. But they still have a bus and throw people under it as necessary.

    zennyfan in reply to inspectorudy. | August 26, 2019 at 1:45 pm

    Why would his staff inform him? They agreed with the statements.

    Milhouse in reply to inspectorudy. | August 26, 2019 at 3:09 pm

    That assumes that they were listening, and that they have enough of an idea of history to understand why the claim was so outrageous. I wouldn’t assume either of these things.

    Are you kidding? Trump killed over 100 million people without leaving a trace! Who would dare risk being next?

      tommy mc donnell in reply to Pasadena Phil. | August 26, 2019 at 5:24 pm

      maybe not in real life but definitely on tv news. remember all that tea party violence that only occurred in America’s newsrooms.

        And then there are those pictures of Trump with the Clintons and he’s smiling. Clinton body count is bush-league compared to Trumpageddon.

    tommy mc donnell in reply to inspectorudy. | August 26, 2019 at 5:33 pm

    your assuming that people in the news media care about the truth. communists don’t even believe in the concept of truth only in what gets them their way. that comment would certainly do that. trump is evil truth of no truth. I have been wondering for years when americans are going to grasp that truth about communists.

Former chair at Duke…..great. This is Duke medicine?

Oh, by the way….Duke can be traced back to the original Duke selling tobacco out of the back of a rickety old cart (learned it in NC history..required in 8th grade)….yes…Duke started because of tobacco. Gasp!

    Duke also began with ties to Christianity- the Methodist Church.
    You’d never know it today. Remember, just a couple of years ago, Duke wanted the muslim call to prayer to be played from Duke Chapel bell tower (thankfully, there was massive resistance and it was cancelled).
    Another reminder- Duke Lacrosse and the “The Group of 88” profs.

They only hear what they want to hear.

OleDirtyBarrister | August 26, 2019 at 12:46 pm

The first disqualification for Stetler to be on TV is that he is bald and ugly. It matters in the world of infotainment. The second disqualification is that he is dumber than dirt and has never done anything.

A lot of Counterfeit News Network functions and staff have moved to NYC in the years since Turner’s merger with Time-Warner and I wish that they would move the rest.

I wonder how much these loons pay CNN of be on tv?

Stelter: I know you think you understand what you thought you might have heard on my show, but I don’t believe you realize that what you thought you heard was not what I think you feel was actually said. Also, you are a racist.

Hmmm. This appears to qualify as a “big lie”.

To make it worse Stetler has the audacity to claim that he did not hear these words tumble out of Francis’s mouth.

Why do you call it audacity? What reason is there not to believe it’s true?

It’s weird because at the end of the video, Stetler responds to Francis.

But did he respond to that comment, or just say something general that didn’t require actually having heard what Francis said?

Also, from what I have seen when I watch the news, if a host cannot hear a guest, he or she will say something and ask the guest to repeat the comments.

That happens when the host is trying to listen, and can’t hear the guest. Stelter didn’t say or imply that he couldn’t hear Francis, he said he didn’t hear him, because his attention was on his technical difficulties and he wasn’t listening. And he offers that open as evidence that there were such difficulties. I have no idea whether he’s telling the truth, but I see no reason to believe otherwise.

    healthguyfsu in reply to Milhouse. | August 26, 2019 at 5:55 pm

    A couple of things:

    -This is not a court of law, preponderance of evidence much less beyond a reasonable doubt does not apply.

    -At the beginning of the guy’s speech, Stelter responds with a “hmmm” of recognition clearly after his first remark. If there were difficulties, none were present at the outset.

    -Several times the camera flashes back to Stelter who seems to be focusing and listening intently. These are not the facial expressions of someone who cannot hear words being said.

    -As soon as his guest finishes, Stelter starts a dialogue asking questions.

    In summary, there is zero evidence of technical difficulties, and there are several lines of evidence pointing to clear back and forth between both parties. Verdict in the court of public opinion: GUILTY

      Milhouse in reply to healthguyfsu. | August 28, 2019 at 7:52 am

      To accuse someone of lying, even outside a court, you still need a preponderance of the available evidence. Sure, there are no rules for what counts as evidence, and you should take everything you know into consideration, including things a court wouldn’t go near, but at the end of it all you have to be honestly convinced that what you’re saying about another person is at least likely to be true — otherwise you’re the liar.

      You have all been pretending that Stelter claimed to have had some sort of difficulty with the sound system, and that he couldn’t hear the guest. But he never said or implied that. Every person who pretends that is his claim is a liar. There is absolutely nothing in this story that could support such a version, so the only way to come up with it is to deliberately decide to make it up.

      Stelter’s claim, whether it’s true or false, is very clear: the show was having technical difficulties, so while his guest was talking he turned his attention to dealing with them instead of listening to what the guest was saying, and as a result he didn’t hear what he said. Not couldn’t hear; didn’t hear. As evidence for this he offers the show open, which he says was different in several ways, and that he had two computers on the desk (I’m not sure whether this is one of the ways the open was different, or a separate piece of evidence for the difficulties).

      Therefore none of the things you cite as counter-evidence are relevant. Nobody but you has suggested there was anything wrong with the sound, so showing that there wasn’t gains you nothing. Stelter could hear the guest perfectly when he was listening, but didn’t hear him when he wasn’t listening. How is that even slightly hard to understand or believe? Isn’t this something every one of us experiences regularly?

    bw222 in reply to Milhouse. | August 27, 2019 at 4:38 pm

    You actually believe Brian Stelter? What a sap!

      Milhouse in reply to bw222. | August 28, 2019 at 7:54 am

      Why would I not believe him? What evidence, even a scrap, is there that he was lying? If he were to tell you the weather was fine would you immediately grab an umbrella?!

tommy mc donnell | August 26, 2019 at 5:22 pm

this guy teaches you children for the bargain price of $50,000.00 a year. I hope he knows more about psychiatry then he does about mass murder.

Trump has killed (or will kill) more people than Hitler, Stalin, and Mao? Unpossible! The Koch brothers with their dark money already killed everyone. Also global warming, nuclear war, tax cuts, requiring voter ID, the NRA and net neutrality already killed everyone. I don’t see how anyone is left for Trump to kill.

Hey….give Grandpa Stetler a break…he don’t hear so good…

B Stetler: Huh…? What…? SPEAK UP, SONNY…Kin’t hear ya !

Since humans are thought to be the cause of global warming, shouldn’t Trump be given credit for doing his part to stem the heating?

We should put up a monument to Trump for solving the global warming problem!

I’m pretty sure that liberals would agree to this.

El Cid defender of the Faith | August 27, 2019 at 3:16 pm

The label “Fake News” applies.

CNN does not even attempt to have any standards. For a professional journalist, it insufficient to say that he didn’t hear it. He should be effusively apologizing to the views and to the President for his lapse.

He should be undermining the person who he interviewed, and assuring listeners that the man will never be heard again and that they will screen better in the future.

Fake News.

Does anyone believe the Missing Link (aka Brian Stelter)?