New Palestinian Authority PM: Trump Peace Plan will be “Born Dead”
Palestinian leaders once again demonstrate that they are not interested in peace.
The newly appointed Palestinian Authority (PA) Prime Minister Mohammed Shtayyeh said in an interview with the Associated Press earlier this week that the much-anticipated United States peace plan to be presented in the coming months will be “born dead.”
Why does the new PA Prime Minister hope for our plan to be “born dead” & for peace to fail? By working with us, perhaps something wonderful can happen for Palestinians. We’ve repeatedly said this won’t just be an economic plan. https://t.co/OB0Cq8eZ47
— Jason D. Greenblatt (@jdgreenblatt45) April 17, 2019
Shtayyeh told the AP, “There are no partners in Palestine for Trump. There are no Arab partners for Trump and there are no European partners for Trump.”
The AP noted that the Palestinians have prioritized paying Palestinian terrorists out of its “martyr’s fund” over other budget priorities. For example, now that the United States and Israel have imposed punitive measures on the PA for its refusal to negotiate and its continued financial incentives to terrorists, “the Palestinian Authority has begun paying only half salaries to tens of thousands of civil servants, reduced services and increased borrowing.”
Yet Shtayyeh demands that any peace process end in Palestinian statehood.
The PA prime minister insisted that the Trump administration’s actions towards Israel, especially the recognition of Jerusalem, have made it impossible for there to be peace. He also said that Europe would never accept a plan that didn’t conform to “key” Palestinian demands.
“Where are we going to have the Palestinian state?” Shtayyeh asked. “We are not looking for an entity. We are looking for a sovereign state.”
To understand the reasons behind the PAL rejection of the plan see the paper they issued expressing their commitment to keep inciting & paying salaries to terrorists. Mr. Greenblatt, they don't care so much about wellbeing as Shtayeyeh explains. Read https://t.co/pTzpopmhd8
— Yossi Kuperwasser (@yossikup) April 17, 2019
(In his final speech before the Knesset, the late Israeli Prime Minister Yitzchak Rabin described peace with a Palestinian “entity,” that would be “less than a state, and which will independently run the lives of the Palestinians under its authority.”)
Shtayyeh’s interview appeared at the same time that Palestinian Media Watch published an interview with PA negotiator Saeb Erekat, who admitted that former PA Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas turned down an offer from former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that amounted to more than 100% of the West Bank.
PLO chief negotiator Saeb Erekat who was present at the negotiations between Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Abbas in 2008, recently told PA TV how generous Olmert’s offer was on all final status issues. In fact, Olmert literally accepted all of the PA’s publicly expressed demands, and even offered Abbas more than the full area of the West Bank and Gaza, and yet Abbas still rejected the offer.
In addition, according to Erekat, Olmert even offered Abbas a division of Jerusalem that would have given the Palestinians control over the holy sites in the city.
Abbas still said no.
This recent account seems to contradict a previous interview given by Erekat. In 2009, in an interview with Al Jazeera, Erekat indicated that Abbas rejected the 2008 offer because it didn’t include all of the territory in the West Bank.
Regardless of the extent of the offer from Olmert, it was at least a vast majority of what the Palestinians were demanding and Abbas still said no.
For Shtayyeh to protest about the unseen Trump peace plan because it may not offer statehood is hypocritical. His boss (and before him Yasser Arafat) have turned down deals that would have resulted in statehood. The Palestinians have never demonstrated an interest in making peace — they didn’t even negotiate in good faith when President Obama was in office.
This is just one more excuse.
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This comes as a surprise to no one.
Especially not anyone who’s paid attention to the facts on the ground and the actions/attitudes of the parties involved.
The Palestinians want Israel to cease to exist. It is a complete waste of time to negotiate with them. End of story.
Well, you have millions of psychos, what do you do with them?
Palestine’s case is nearing an end. They can’t keep arguing for a two-nation solution while refusing to acknowledge Israel’s right to exist and even joining in the chorus calling for the destruction of Israel and extermination of Jews from the planet. Maybe it’s time to end the negotiations and see what happens. We can then begin more important negotiations about what it would take to restart negotiations, REAL negotiations.
Extermination, which can the world live without?
Start fuel air bombing palestinians, keep it up until they are begging for peace and willing to unconditionally surrender.
Institute a one child plan until their population drops to say 1950 levels.
Perhaps, then they can heal and lead productive lives?
The plan will be born dead? He is a member of Planned Parenthood.
Speaking of parenting, what kind of parents have children to indoctrinate to become stupid human bombs? How can anyone use their children that way?
Trump moght be the right person to show that the Palestinians are arguing in bad faith. He has “offered” terms to Democrats for example on guns that made Repulicans panoc but then when the Democrats reject them they are the ones who have their game exposed.
Note to the Palestinian “Authority.” You already have a Palestinian state. It is called Jordan and was established decades before Israel.
Just how many Palestinian states do the Palestinians need? Oh duh – they need a Palestinian state until every Jew in the Mideast has been pushed into the Mediterranean.
Jordan is smart enough to not want anything to with those palestinians.
Because beginning in 1968 the PLO (an umbrella organization consisting of FATAH, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine or PFLP, the Popular Front- General Command or PFGC, etc.) began plotting to achieve at total control over the border region with Israel and at least partial control over the rest of the country. Ideally they would overthrow the Hashemite kingdom and take over the entire country. All out war broke out in 1970 after the PLO attempted to assassinate King Hussein. Also in September the PLO hijacked two American passenger jets, a British jet, and a Swissair flight. There was international outrage, and King Hussein who had been trying to walk a tightrope realized the international community (no such thing really; I’m just using the term as a kind of shorthand) for a variety of reasons realized that the time was ripe for an all out war with the PLO. It became known as Black September and gave birth to a terrorist group of the same name. King Hussein, his army, and his air force crushed them eventually but only after months of hard fighting. Low level fighting went on for about a year and a half but the PLO had been mortally wounded and the leaders of the component groups expelled. Arafat, for instance, wound up in Tunisia.
Still about 2/3 of the population consisted of non-native Palestinians and King Hussein began a process of “Jordanization” to erase their identity and bind them to his Kingdom.
Never again has real meaning for his son, the current king of Jordan, Abdullah II. He and his armed forces don’t want the bastards back.
Now that’s the attitude we’ve come to expect from the Palestinian Authority. No peace, no way.
No money or power for them in peace.
^^This^^
If peace happened the money from all the nations who support ‘those poor oppressed Palis’ would cease and they’d actually have to form a working government and create a working economy. It ain’t gonna happen when you teach your children nothing but hate.
While I’m ranting…what’s up with ‘roof knocking’ before you obliterate a building? That’s just silly.
You are correct it’s just silly. The IDF also apparently has everyone’s phone number in Gaza, so they’ll call the residents and tell them to get out, then knock on the roof as a final warning.
One of the reasons it’s silly is that when the IDF does their roof knocking Hamas knows the IDF’s next target. So after Hamas personnel turns rabbit and runs Hamas surrounds the building and forces the residents back inside. They’re far more valuable to Hamas for propaganda purposes dead then they ever were alive. Hamas loves dead Gazans.
I would advise strict adherence to the LOAC or Law Of Armed Conflict but unfortunately the very leftist Israeli Bar Association (both IDF JAG corps officers and the courts) set the ROE. And they insist on going well beyond what the LOAC requires no matter how counter-productive their silly rules are. Dunno, maybe they think if they fight their battles more kindly and gentler the world will love Israel. Ain’t gonna happen; Western leftists will still call them terrorists and Nazis while practically giving tongue baths to the actual terrorists. Hamas and other Palestinian leaders have for a long time avoided the ICC but now they’ve realized the Laws of War don’t apply to them while it not only applies to Israel but the Euroweenies have of course invented additional “special rules for the Jews” they want to charge Israeli leaders with war crimes. Can you believe that? Every rocket Hamas and other terror groups fire promiscuously at population centers and every terror tunnel and every maritime raid they make into Israel is a war crime (and they know that) while the Israelis don’t even do everything the LOAC allows (for every other country in the world). But the palis will never be held to account while the ICC no doubt would be happy to convict Israeli political and military leaders despite either no or totally fabricated evidence.
The best way to avoid that would be just crush the palis and get it over with quickly but it seems that despite having more than enough force to do the job the Israeli Bar Association will make sure to tie the government’s/IDF’s hands due to their demonstrably false and stupid ideas.
Arab Muslims have proved themselves incapable of peaceful co-existence with non-Muslim “infidels,” for over 1,400 years, since the inception of their inherently supremacist, totalitarian, belligerent and hate-filled ideology.
Nothing new, here, except to the theologically/historically-ignorant dhimmi masses, on the Left.
Actually the Arabs have been fighting among themselves since time immemorial and Islam didn’t change a damn thing. Sunnis and Shia have been killing each other once Islam was invented about 1200 years ago. And then Sunnis of one sect or another have been fighting other Sunni sects they deem not Islamic enough, and the Shia have been doing the same among themselves since forever as well.
Note I don’t accept the “official” historical narrative about early Islam and therefore don’t say 1400 years. There are certainly kernels of truth to it but the sources are so unreliable and were written at such a late date they’re worthless. For instance there no doubt that there was a warlord who conquered the entire Arabian peninsula circa 622-632A.D. And he probably did call himself Muhammad as that’s a title and their were lots of Arabic speaking rulers who took the title Muhammad. It means “praiseworthy.” Per the Numismatic evidence some of them were Christian. But we don’t know anything about this particular Muhammad except what we know from outside Christian sources who warned the four corners of the Eastern Roman Empire about him. According to those sources he was just a warlord. And he had successors who continued his conquests and broke out of Arabia, taking advantage of the fact that the Romans and Persians had seriously weakened themselves due to centuries of fighting. That’s what Khalifa (anglicized as Caliph) means; successor.
But there were no Qurans until the early 8th century, and the manuscript evidence shows they were constantly being edited for another two centuries. The earliest biography of this Muhammad dates from approximately 830 A.D. and was edited by ibn Hisham. He writes that it was written originally by an ibn Ishaq but nothing he supposedly wrote still exists. According to ibn Hisham the author originally wrote it in the 760s, or 130 years after Muhammad died. and ibn Hisham also freely admits that he edited it not for accuracy but simply to put Muhammad in a favorable light. If ibn Ishaq wrote anything ibn Hisham considered derogatory he eliminated it. So he original was written nearly a century and a half after Muhammad died. Clearly he wrote it based on oral tradition. Would you trust it? I wouldn’t. And then ibn Hisham threw out the derogatory parts and kept the flattering parts. So now it’s even more untrustworthy. What if the derogatory parts were true and the flattering parts were fiction?
To show you how unreliable oral tradition is, Imam al-Bukhari compiled the first hadith collection about 870 A.D., nearly two and a half centuries after Muhammad died. He collected approximately 600,000 ahadith and whittled them down to 7,000 he considered reliable (which is why his collection is called Sahih al-Bukhari; sahih means reliable). Since he only kept .01% of what he originally had to work with it means the Muslims were making up a lot of stuff about Muhammad, and the 7,000 he kept there are a lot of ahadith that are clearly historically inaccurate. Sahih al-Bukhari is considered the most authoritative text in Sunni Islam and it’s clearly wrong in many respects. For instance, there was no temple in Jerusalem in the early 7th century when Muhammad is supposed to have made his night journey on the flying horse Buraq. The Romans had completely destroyed it in 70A.D. and it was never rebuilt. Yet Bukhari has Muhammad and Jibril (the angel Gabriel) entering it in 622A.D. Bukhari calls it the Al-Aqsa mosque. Well, that’s impossible. The first actual Mosque the Arabs built in Jerusalem was the Dome of the Rock in 691A.D. while the Al-Aqsa mosque was built later; Caliph abd al Malik began construction in the late 7th century and his son competed it in 705A.D.
Now it is true that the Caliph Umar built a small prayer room at the site when he conquered Jerusalem in 636A.D. but I don’t believe they called it Al-Aqsa until abd al Malik’s son al-Walid finished the much larger, greatly expanded building. But even if they did call the small prayer room Al-Aqsa it wasn’t there at any point while Muhammad was alive.
Actually the better case to be made that the unidentified “servant” who made the night journey was Moses as the title of Surah 17 is “Isra’, The Night Journey, Children Of Israel.”
17:1-2:
“Glory to ((Allah)) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things). We gave Moses the Book, and made it a Guide to the Children of Israel, (commanding): ‘Take not other than Me as Disposer of (your) affairs.'”
At no point in this Surah is Muhammad ever mentioned. The Sacred Mosque is al-Masjid al-Haram which is in Mecca. Can you believe this Shiite? Whoever wrote this part of the Quran places Moses in Mecca, if indeed he’s the unidentified “servant” in the first verse. Islam is a font of bad information. Muhammad also places Hagar, Ishmael, and Hagar in Mecca. Which is ridiculous as no could carry enough water to make the roughly six hundred mile trip from where the Bible places Abraham et al. The Islamic sources also claim that Abraham and Isaac built the Sacred Mosque. That would mean, if we use the Biblical dates that would mean it was built sometime prior to 1675B.C. when Abraham is supposed to have died. Yet there is no archeological evidence anything existed there until about the 3rd century A.D. Amusingly according to the Sahih ahadith Muhammad said that the farthest mosque (that’s what al-Mashid Al-Aqsa means in Arabic) was built forty years after the sacred mosque. If as the Islamic sources claim the temple that Solomon built on the temple mount, which is why the Muslims built the Al-Aqsa mosque on the temple mount that’s quite a feat. Apparently the early Muslims (Islam was the first religion on earth, doncha know) invented time travel as Solomon built the temple or Al-Aqsa mosque circa 97O B.C., or 1700 years after Abraham died. And while a better case can be made that it was Moses went on the night journey, it’s still a really, really bad one as he died approximated 480 years before Solomon built the temple.
It certainly wasn’t a thriving trading center as the Islamic sources claim. It’s not on any known trade route; we have Byzantine era maps showing 7th century trading routes and it’s not even close to even the nearest trade route that goes up the western plateau. In fact, not only is the western plateau trading route several miles away, Mecca is approximately 1100 yards down off the western plateau. Nobody would be stupid enough to take a caravan several miles away and down 1100 yards off the plateau because there’s no water there. Just the small spring called the Zum zum well which would not satisfy the camels and their drivers. There isn’t a blade of grass.
Now, you might not believe in the Bible as any sort of religious authority but there are a lot more detail in the Bible such as place names and the names of peoples and tribes. And this information is identifiable and has generally been backed up by archeology. I say generally because while many of the locations and peoples have been located, others like Mt. Sinai have not. The Quran gets just about everything wrong.
For instance the “prophet’s” village is near the people of the land of Madyan. They are the Midianites in the Bible and their land is Midian. The “prophet therefore frequently encounters them; the Quran mentions them ten times. They are nowhere near Mecca; they are about six hundred miles to the north near the tip of the Gulf of Aqaba near the Israeli/Jordanian cities of Eilat/Aqaba.
Here’s where it gets interesting. The Quran describes the “prophet’s” village. It’s in a valley. There’s a parallel valley. A stream runs through the prophet’s village. I already said there is no water in or near Mecca save for a small spring. There are olive trees around the “prophet’s” village. There have never been any olive trees anywhere in Arabia; olive trees grow up by the Mediterranean. When the prophet leaves for work in the morning and comes back in the evening he passes Lot’s wife, now a pillar of salt. There’s nothing that fits that description in or near Mecca. But this description precisely fits the city of Petra. It borders Midian as well. Plus while Mecca is nowhere near even one trading route, Petra is at the hub of several trading routes. It was a wealthy trading center. And the Umayyad dynasty’s sanctuary city was Petra.
The Quran is a hot, confused, unclear, usually vague, and often contradictory. There are at least half a dozen verses in which Allah claims that it is written in clear Arabic (it’s no clearer in Arabic as even Muslim scholars, such as Ali Dashti, will admit and at least every fifth verse or twenty percent of the Quran is completely undecipherable and can’t be understood even by experts in classical Arabic) and Allah claims that proof of its divine origin is that if it were from other than Allah it would contain “much contradiction.” Since it can’t meet the standards of clarity and thoroughness it claims for itself and it is chock full of contradictions it is clearly from other than Allah.
Then I’m guessing that a bunch of “Palestinians” will also be “born dead”.
That’s one baby step to adopting “western” values. Elective abortion is a human right. Here’s to progress.
Maybe in my lifetime the Israeli’s will stop pretending peace is possible. Maybe we will as well. I suspect Trump knows and the plan is just to make the final offer. Then they can have the rubble they desire.
Why rely on inference?
Shouldn’t the Palesrinian be assked to state that tehy want peace?
In other words they should state that they DON”T WANT ZTO BE ENEMIES OF ISRAEL; and EVEN IF, any number of Arab civilians get killed by Israel THEY STILL WILL NOT WANT TO BE ENEMIES OF ISRAEL!
This is a requirement, because terrorists will try to make sure it does or Israel is accused of it.
Also I think necessary before any negotistions can begin are:
1) The Arab League has to pass a unanimous resolution giving their blessing to ANY peace agreement the Palestinian Authority consents to, or maybe reserving one or two very specifric non-obstacle things, while kicking out of the Arab League any country that votes against it.
2) There must be someone with power and authority to sign on to an agreement.
And this would help also:
3) Passage of a United Nations Security Council Resolution praising Israel, and only Israel, by name, for keeping some agreement.
I suggest one about the Temple Mount.
People make the mistake of thinking that the “leadership” of the Palestinian Authority actually care about an “nation” called Palestine. All they care about it the money that they stuff into their own pockets.
If an Nation of Palestine was actually set up, the flow of foreign cash would dry up. The leadership would be dependent upon Palestinian resources to fund the Palestine. As Palestine produces nothing of value, is not sitting upon any significant mineral wealth, nor have any strategic value, it would be broke in a month. This would also mean that all the money, which finds its way into the pockets of the Palestinian leadership, would disappear.
There is NO incentive for the Palestinian leadership to accept any peace plan. Nor do they really want Israel destroyed. Israel’s existence is a money maker for the Palestinian leadership.
Can we just collectively ignore this group and hit them back harder when they start stinging like mosquitoes?
Born dead? These people even talk like local, state, and Congressional Democrats who want nothing born alive.
“Palestinian leaders once again demonstrate that they are not interested in peace.”
The fact that we (US and Israel) are willing to negotiate at all with them convinces them that they have the upper hand. In any case, since we are Christians and Jews that means we are the worst of creatures (S98:6), We are supposed to be dhimmis; subjugated people, essentially slaves of the ummah. They’ll settle for nothing less than bragging rights that they defeated us by force of arms.
Surah 47:35
“So do not weaken and call for peace while you are superior; and Allah is with you and will never deprive you of [the reward of] your deeds.”
There’s only one solution to this. Go full-throttle Old Testament, or Tanakh if you prefer, utterly destroy them. Then there will be peace.
It’s now a secular mortal sin to criticize Islam in this country. And by criticize I mean understand Islam and tell the truth about it. To switch cultures and invoke Sun Tzu, if you understand yourself and your enemy you will never be defeated in a thousand battles. Unfortunately even though we have the enemy’s entire playbook it’s now practically a crime to talk about it. So now we’re down to fifty-fifty. Plus I’m not even sure we know ourselves anymore. So we’ve basically knee-capped ourselves.
As a former Naval Intelligence officer I can’t for the life of me understand how we have intentionally and willfully become this stupid, and we have every intention of becoming more stupid. What a stupid time to be alive. We have the enemy’s playbook and not only can’t we use it it’s a thought crime to even talk about it.