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Trump Speech: Offers compromise on border wall and DACA, Dems reject

Trump Speech: Offers compromise on border wall and DACA, Dems reject

Prelude to Trump capitulating on amnesty, or laying the groundwork for an emergency declaration to build the wall by showing Democrat intransigence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibBqHBVFQxY

At 4 p.m. Eastern, Trump will deliver what the White House is calling a major speech on the border crisis and the partial government shutdown.

Various news organizations are reporting that in the speech Trump will offer an extension of DACA in exchange for border wall funding.

Axios reports:

President Trump plans to use remarks from the Diplomatic Reception Room on Saturday afternoon to propose a notable immigration compromise, according to sources familiar with the speech.

Details: The offer is expected to include Trump’s $5.7 billion demand for wall money in exchange for the BRIDGE Act — which would extend protections for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) — and also legislation to extend the legal status of Temporary Protected Status (TPS) holders, according to a source with direct knowledge.

  • Jared Kushner and Mike Pence have led the crafting of this deal and the negotiations with members, according to White House officials. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) told reporters he had proposed the idea of a DACA-TPS swap to Trump in December, and that the president called it “interesting.”

This is a proposal similar to proposals Trump circulated early on in his presidency, and Democrats rejected unless it involved citizenship for DACA recipients. That is a non-starter for Trump’s base, since it amounts to a full-blown amnesty.

Anyway, Democrats have already rejected the proposal, even though it hasn’t formally been made yet. Pelosi issued a statement minutes before the speech:

“Unfortunately, initial reports make clear that his proposal is a compilation of several previously rejected initiatives, each of which is unacceptable and in total, do not represent a good faith effort to restore certainty to people’s lives.”

Since the offer as reported is DOA, why is Trump bothering? Perhaps it’s to set the stage for an emergency declaration to fund the wall, demonstrating that he tried all alternatives prior to doing so.

Stay tuned, maybe Trump will surprise everyone with the speech:

UPDATES:

No surprises. Scaled-down border steel-barriers and funding for other border security, 3 year extension of permission for DACA recipients to stay in U.S. McConnell will bring Trump’s proposal to a vote in the Senate this week.

https://twitter.com/Rockprincess818/status/1086739315630075904

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It’s DOA, but the question is whether it leads to Trump capitulation on amnesty, or just a step towards unilateral building of the wall.

Let’s say there is “mixed” reaction among Trump supporters:

Will post transcript when available.

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Dems are rejecting because they think it will take an arrow out of their quiver.

They should jump on it, because if they turn it down it will cement in the DACA kids minds, and most others, that the Dems never really cared about them at all. They were just a political chip.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to RedEchos. | January 19, 2019 at 5:02 pm

    Dems need an incentive, so start rounding up illegals in large numbers and toss them back over the border. What would it take to expel 10,000 a day?

    JusticeDelivered in reply to RedEchos. | January 19, 2019 at 5:02 pm

    Dems need an incentive, so start rounding up illegals in large numbers and toss them back over the border. What would it take to expel 10,000 a day?

      They all claim asylum, and that they have a credible fear of being killed if they go back home. They’re taught these magic words, and as soon as they utter them they cannot be deported until they get a hearing, which means several years’ delay, even though in 99.9% of cases the claim obviously has no merit. It’s ridiculous, but it’s the law. So sudden mass deportations isn’t possible.

Hopefully will announce RIF (Reduction in Force) aka shedding government employees.

    snopercod in reply to slagothar. | January 19, 2019 at 4:10 pm

    I’m loving that 95% of EPA employees are deemed “non-essential”. Wouldn’t it be great if they had to find jobs which really helped the environment, like picking up trash alongside the highways or mowing lawns or something?

      Barry in reply to snopercod. | January 19, 2019 at 6:10 pm

      The well never runs dry until you commies take charge of the water system. Then, when we do have water, it is contaminated with lead.

We’re waiting…

democrats failure to even negotiate will cause President Trump to act in some unilateral way. President Trump defeated a large field of Republicans and then the vaunted hillary clinton largely on the illegal immigration issue. The democrats should have considered this before planting their flag, but it looks like it’s too late. The dems have chosen their hill to die on.

    gonzotx in reply to CKYoung. | January 19, 2019 at 6:10 pm

    The only issue is their skin color, calling typical BS on that statement

    Truth is they and their families broke the law, our law, got trillions in benefits on American taxpayers backs

    Barry in reply to CKYoung. | January 19, 2019 at 6:12 pm

    The [email protected]#%$$# is a paid commie provocateur. In other words, it lies and gets paid to do so.

    zennyfan in reply to CKYoung. | January 19, 2019 at 6:49 pm

    Clean records? Nope. They can have a couple of misdemeanors on their records, maybe even a “minor” felony. But I forgot — they’re all valedictorians and medical students who will cure cancer if only they can stay.

Red and Slag are on it. If DACA or any of the other “Dem” dreams are on the table and the Donks do not take it – Trump has painted them into a corner. Trump could easily say – give me a budget with the wall, or the shutdown continues and I RIF 800,000 Monday – your call Donks. This is going to be fun.

San Fran Nan and Chuckie Boy will not accept ANYTHING that President Trump offers.

Meanwhile, it is more and more appearing that we can do without a significant number of federal employees.

Kind of disappointed; missing an opportunity to downsize government….

    snopercod in reply to slagothar. | January 19, 2019 at 4:24 pm

    The way I understood President Trump, the government will only be re-opened when his “plan” is passed by congress. If they fail to pass it, then he still has the RIF option, right?

    The provisions in the civil service law that allow for that won’t kick in for another week or two.

It sounds like “the bill” has already been written. Not that I don’t trust congress, but I’d like to see what’s in it.

I noted that the President said he has been speaking with the democrat “rank and file”, not the leadership.

There are about 3 million non-military Govt employees and my guess that we would never miss 1.5 million to 2 million of them so this 0.8 million is just a drop in the bucket.

It’s a great demonstration that Trump is willing to negotiate, and willing to give up things that the Democrats CLAIM they want.

Meanwhile Democrats are throwing a tantrum and screaming NO WALL.

Pelosi and the leadership certainly aren’t acting like they have the public on their side – their internal polls must be terrible.

    Close The Fed in reply to Olinser. | January 19, 2019 at 4:42 pm

    Pelosi is acting as though she isn’t feeling pressure, other than her “postponement” of the SOTU.

    That witch flying out of town instead of staying to negotiate, what a slap to her job and her oath.

    We are OWED a WALL and ENFORCEMENT. Reagan promised it, the Congress promised these things. We got the damn amnesty, but we have NEVER gotten enforcement. We are due, and Pelosi is an anti-American witch, but I repeat myself.

    BTW, for all you clowns reading this, we stopped the amnesty in 2006 (Bush wanted it, of course) by MELTING THE DAMN PHONE LINES AND MAILING LETTERS AND BRICKS. If you aren’t willing to call and call and call again, you get the government you get. I’m sick and tired of people that are sick and tired of immigration. This is existential.

This is priceless:

“Romney backs Trump on partial shutdown, says ‘I don’t understand’ Pelosi’s position.'”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/romney-backs-trump-on-partial-shutdown-says-i-dont-understand-pelosis-position

A backstabbing rino, yest, but now Willard the Rat is as dumb Gidget Cortez?

Trump: Look, I am being reasonable and offering a compromise.
Dems: Hsss! Bad Orange man! Burns!! Let them burns!
Press: Trump is continuing to be unreasonable.
American People: Wow, the Dems are being jerks.

This is just another Trump negotiating tactic. He has signed several continuing resolutions, to keep the government funded, over the last 2 years, with the promise that the Democrats will negotiate on a wall. He has offered almost everything that the Dems said they wanted. And so far, the Dems refuse to negotiate. The longer this goers on, the more the Democrats look like the party of intransigence. The problem is that nearly 50% of the population, for a variety of reasons are convinced that the Dems are doing the right thing. This is totally divorced from reality, but apparently delusion rules.

I am thinking this will set things up for his SOTU. Imagine all of those Angel families, Border Patrol agents there, and Trump can point out the callousness of the dem party.

Trump should start bringing in Eastern Europeans on cruise ships as fast as possible.

buckeyeminuteman | January 19, 2019 at 6:20 pm

Amnesty is an unforgivable sin. I understand the Wall is a lot and Trump is only one man. But there is no way I would vote for someone who gives out amnesty.

    94Corvette in reply to buckeyeminuteman. | January 19, 2019 at 7:08 pm

    He did not offer amnesty – he offered a three year extension so that Congress could get their act together and get a workable immigration bill passed. If it isn’t good – he can always veto it. Three years puts the deadline past the 2020 elections and raises the possibility that if the Democrats don’t work towards compromise, it could be hammered out by Republicans.

Close The Fed | January 19, 2019 at 6:24 pm

The courts have of course added to this dumpster fire, by unilaterally taking over the executive. If they hadn’t, the dems would be feeling far more compulsion to negotiate, or Trump could just take care of matters on his own.

I’m sure that he’s concerned that even if he has the emergency power to take care of this national security threat, that a judge(s) will take it away, so he’s really disarmed.

Helluva thing Ryan and McConnell have done to us.

Something I picked up on – Our President Trump offered a three year delay for DACA and TPS during which time the Congress is to work our a new immigration process. This would put the deadline until after the 2020 elections and if the democrats don’t cooperate and work towards a good, enforceable deal, then they may have a Republican House and Senate and President who will.

DieJustAsHappy | January 19, 2019 at 7:23 pm

I sure wish someone would change Ann Coulter’s diaper!

Nancy had FUN,FUN,FUN ’til daddy took the T-Bird away.

Eastwood Ravine | January 19, 2019 at 10:26 pm

If what I’m reading elsewhere is true, Trump had more than the emergency declaration in his back pocket. He also has the RIF (Reduction In Workforce) guidelines that can followed if shutdown persists past 30 days.

Good researched article at American Thinker.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/01/omb_issues_guidance_on_reduction_in_force_layoffs_due_to_partial_shutdown.html

    RITaxpayer in reply to Eastwood Ravine. | January 20, 2019 at 3:58 am

    I am NOT in favor of a Emergency Declaration. That can and WILL come back to bite us in the long run.

    However, a RIF seems justified and necessary. Now is as good as time as it’s going to get.

    Well Cal and NY voters, you got your ‘checks and balances’…now what?

Just saying, but if Coulter supports Trump in any way after this day – I noted the timestamp on her comment – then I will lose what little respect I had remaining for her. Trump is Jeb? Then he is anathema and Coulter must oppose him with every fiber of her being. Anything else is hypocrisy beyond even my thick skin’s tolerance.

The whole thing is probably moot since I don’t see the dems compromising. (Every other shutdown has gone their way; they think this one will also.)
BUT
If they accept the compromise.

To deport 11,000,000 illegals at 10,000 a week will take 21.2 years. I don’t think you could do even a fraction of that number. Big impediments are: 1- they each can demand a hearing in the US before deportation. 2- many who were born here will turn 18 and can’t be deported, but can petition for their parents to stay. 3- the country they are going to has to agree to take them. If you tell Honduras that they are getting 600 people a week, Honduras will say (with good reason) that they want to verify the citizenship of each one before they let them deplane. Considering how screwed up the record keeping is in some countries, and the fact that they may not want them back, it will take years to complete the first plane loads.

It seems to me that the reality is that, unless they have committed a crime, those 11 mil are here to stay. The hard right has been demanding for years that they go home. They haven’t. They aren’t any closer to going home; the votes to send them home aren’t there. They have increased. They will continue to increase until the border is secured. They don’t need amnesty to lure them. The attraction now is so strong that they spend thousands of dollars to get smuggled across.

If you take time to talk to illegals (esp Hispanic), you find that they are natural conservatives. They have a work ethic, strong family values, are honest and most have a religious faith. They are also independent and self reliant; they came here to work. They lean democrat because they are afraid the republicans will deport them. If they had assurances they could stay (even on a permanent visa without citizenship), many would swing right. Like anyone who worked hard for something, they wan to keep it. They’ll fight against anyone who tries to take it away, and partner with anyone who helps them keep it. Let’s make conservatives out of them; wouldn’t that frost the dems?

If Trump works a deal with money today to build the wall (not promises of money tomorrow, cash budgeted today for the whole project), I say take it. He’s the best chance we’ve had in 30 years to get it done and I bet construction would start the morning after. And I think he and the republicans would get the credit in the Hispanic community.

    We need to resurrect Eisenhower and General Jumpin’ Joe Swing. They ran ‘Operation Wetback’ in the 1950’s, and it worked.

    Occasional Thinker in reply to VaGentleman. | January 20, 2019 at 11:55 am

    “If you take time to talk to illegals (esp Hispanic), you find that they are natural conservatives. They have a work ethic, strong family values, are honest and most have a religious faith.”

    I am not sure that is true. I think it applies to some but not all. Several years ago I had several employees from Central America who had obtained green cards through family reunification and were single mothers. The state had just elected a new governor who ran on tightening up enforcement of welfare rules. I was having lunch near several of them and they were discussing the welfare programs, pros and cons, in states from coast to coast. The consensus seemed to be that, with the rules actually being enforced, my state was no longer attractive to single moms and within two weeks most had moved to other states. They did not relocate to be with family or for better jobs. They went to places with less stringent welfare rules or higher benefits.

    Granted, these were all legal immigrants (I think most of the family already here were given amnesty) but they were from the same area we are now seeing the caravans coming from which makes me suspect the attitudes might be similar. I am aware illegals technically can’t receive welfare benefits, but in reality they do, whether from humanitarian aid “for the children” or having a child born on U.S. soil.

    People think that forced deportation is the only answer. All illegally aliens are criminals. The use of another person’s social security number is a felony. And, almost all illegal aliens are using fraudulent ID to work. So, if illegal aliens start getting arrested, charged, convicted and sentenced to prison and THEN deported upon release, this sends a strong message to the illegal alien community. Many will self deport to avoid prison time. Add to that charging spouses and other family members for aiding and abetting and many more will self deport. And, if employers are held to account and punished for hiring illegal aliens with Illegal alien, this will cause even more self deportation. Supporters of illegal immigration know this, which is why they want to destroy ICE.

Totally agree with what you said. Ann Coulter is unreasonable and unrealistic.

The Democrats really must want the wall, because they are doing everything but beg for a National Emergency.

They are still in show-business… but Trump up-staged them again.

Having proven themselves intransigent, calling a National Emergency looks well within reason.

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