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John Kasich mulls third-party 2020 presidential run: “all options are on the table”

John Kasich mulls third-party 2020 presidential run: “all options are on the table”

Anything is possible: “No one thought we’d have electric cars”

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Ohio governor John Kasich (R) has been an outspoken critic of President Trump and his voters, so it’s perhaps not surprising that he stated Sunday he is “very seriously considering” running for president in 2020.

It’s not clear if he plans to primary the president or if he believes he can win on a “centrist” third party, even bipartisan, ticket.

Considering his abysmal showing in the GOP primaries in 2016 and his failed-before-it-even-started 2000 bid for the GOP presidential nomination, two-time loser Kasich may conclude that an attempt to primary a sitting president who is still wildly popular with the GOP base may not be effective.

The Hill reports:

Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) said Sunday that he is “very seriously considering” another bid at the presidency in 2020 and raised the possibility of running on a bipartisan ticket.

“These are earnest conversations that go on virtually every day with some of my friends, with my family. We need different leadership. There isn’t any question about it,” he said on ABC’s “This Week.”

. . . . Kasich said that “all options are on the table” for his potential bid, including running on a bipartisan ticket.

The Ohio governor, who ran unsuccessfully for the Republican nomination in 2016, raised the possibility that President Trump and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) are nominated by their respective parties in 2020.

Kasich said that would leave an “ocean of people” in the middle.

“Is there a legitimate opportunity for a third party, bipartisan kind of ticket to be able to score a victory or to have a profound impact on the future of American politics? … We don’t know at this point,” he said.

“No one thought a guy like Donald Trump would be elected president. No one thought we’d have electric cars,” he added. “This is a time of change, dynamic change. You can’t judge tomorrow on the basis of what happened yesterday.”

Kasich . . . added that he is worried about the future of the United States.

“And not just in the short-term,” he said. “I’m worried about our country in the long-term.”

Kasich told This Week host George Stephanopoulos that he’s considering a run even if he thinks he can’t win.  In this case, he ponders making “such a good showing” that he can “send a message that can disrupt the political system in this country.”

Stephanopoulos points out that President Trump has “something like 90% approval rating within the Republican Party,” and suggests that a Kasich run would be futile.  To this, Kasich tacitly acknowledges that he wouldn’t win a GOP primary against the president by making the bizarre claim that he would, instead, “make a statement” about his dissatisfaction with the “direction of the country.”

Newsbusters points out another bizarre portion of this interview.

Ohio Governor John Kasich was one of the last two holdouts against Donald Trump during the 2016 GOP primaries and since then, he has become a go-to for the liberal media when they need a never-Trump Republican to bash the President. He has also become a name the liberal media love to throw around as a contender to knock out Trump in 2020. During an appearance on ABC’s This Week, Sunday, Kasich wanted advice from host and Clinton lackey George Stephanopoulos on a possible third-party run.

. . . . “Let’s say that Donald Trump is nominated and Elizabeth Warren is nominated and you have this ocean of people who sit in the middle,” he prefaced. “Is there a legitimate opportunity for a third-party, bipartisan kind of ticket to be able to score a victory or have a profound impact on the future of American politics? That would be something I would talk to you about offline and get your view, because we don’t know at this point.”[emphasis in original]

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DieJustAsHappy | November 25, 2018 at 8:38 pm

He and Hillary share at least one thing in common. Not accepting “no” for an answer.

Hillary! versus Hillary Kasich Jr.

His motto will be VOTE FOR A DOPE. The myopic 2020 candidate.

“No one thought a guy like Donald Trump would be elected president. No one thought we’d have electric cars,” he added.

Poor Ohio, such an embarrassment. Electric cars aren’t new either.

In 1828, Ányos Jedlik, a Hungarian who invented an early type of electric motor, created a small model car powered by his new motor. In 1834, Vermont blacksmith Thomas Davenport built a similar contraption which operated on a short, circular, electrified track.[5] In 1834, Professor Sibrandus Stratingh of Groningen, the Netherlands and his assistant Christopher Becker created a small-scale electrical car, powered by non-rechargeable primary cells.[6]
Electric locomotives
The first known electric locomotive was built in 1837, in Scotland by chemist Robert Davidson of Aberdeen. It was powered by galvanic cells (batteries). Davidson later built a larger locomotive named Galvani, exhibited at the Royal Scottish Society of Arts Exhibition in 1841.

practicalconservative | November 25, 2018 at 8:54 pm

Kasich is as inspiring as cold Oatmeal. I am sure Trump is dreading the possibility of the Barney Fife of Politics running a third party candidacy. Naturally, Jeff Flake will be his “running mate” or sidekick. Jeff worked hard to lose what should have been a virtually locked in Senate Seat.

Does anyone see a Dumb and Dumber remake with these two?

So he’s going to give Spartacus, Fauxcahontas, Camel-a and Creepy Porn Lawyer some competition for the nomination, eh?

We need different leadership.

We have different leadership.

We don’t want the old limp-dishrag leadership back.

No one thought a guy like Donald Trump would be elected president.

What a dumb thing to say!
No one?
Obviously, a lot of people thought Donald Trump could be elected President.
Yes, in June, 2015, most of Bill Maher’s audience laughed at Kellyanne Conway when she said, “Of the declared ones, right now, Donald Trump.” (By the way, one of my favorite videos ever.)
Yes, up to the night of November 9th, 2016, most media outlets, pundits, celebrities, commentators, pollsters and clairvoyants kept telling us that Trump had “zero chance” of being President.

But we all saw the crowds at the rallies. Didn’t we?
And he won. Didn’t he?

Oh, screw off Kasich.

Make a good showing? You didn’t even win YOUR HOME STATE in 2016.

But I do think you should run. Suck money away from somebody that might actually get more than a tiny fraction of the vote.

    buckeyeminuteman in reply to Olinser. | November 26, 2018 at 11:00 pm

    Kasich did in fact win Ohio in the March 2016 primary. Then Trump came around and won the majority in 85 out of 88 counties in November. I think we voted for Kasich so he’d get a victory notch on his belt and then go away. Didn’t work…

“When we defeat an enemy, we treat their wounded and handle captives humanely. But traitors? Traitors we hang”.

We tossed Jeb! to the trash heap.

We buried John mccain, then Lindsey Graham came back from the dead.

We booted out Flake and Corker.

Kasich isn’t getting the memos.

Ross Perot without the charisma.

Pure F**K Trump move. Only purpose would be to bleed off enough votes to ensure a Dem win. Wouldn’t be surprised if he gets bankrolled by Steyer/Soros/DNC backdoor.

The Blather Party.

Kasich is an Establishment Trump spoiler. He entered and remained in the 2016 GOP primaries for the sole purpose of draining off support for Trump. He is being set up in 2020 to do the same thing. He is just another Perot.

Third party? I haven’t heard anything from Kasich over the last couple of years that’s not part of the democrat’s platform.

The most dangerous place in Ohio. Between John Kasich and a camera.

Everybody calm down. What we have here is one of dozens of ‘media candidates’ that will be floated to run against Trump over the next year or so. Each one will be given a super tongue-bath by every reporter, swooned over for every time they attack Trump, and if any of them are good enough to actually win the nomination, they will be turned on like rabid wolverines after a bloody bunny.

With that in mind, I’ll float a GOP slogan:

Trump 2020: We love his actions, we tolerate his tweets.

    Nah, if they think Kasich will steal more votes away from Trump than he does from a Dem, they’ll spend enough to get him on the ballot everywhere they can.

    And don’t apologize. Apology is seen as weakness by an enemy. You didn’t do anything wrong. Nobody’s been hit in the head by a bike lock by one of Trump’s tweets.

    Trump 2020: We love his actions, we laugh at his tweets.

    Show that you’re in on the joke. That you know what the tweets are really for. You know the game your leader is playing, and if they don’t, let them sputter.

Kasich & Kardashian need to hire Mook and really put on a show.

Subotai Bahadur | November 26, 2018 at 1:28 am

Actually, I rather expect that a segment of the Republican Party will either split off to form a “third” party to enable a Democrat win, or will openly join the Democrats rather than tolerate letting the GOP base winning again. They still expect us to crawl back to them if the Democrats win, begging them to lead us.

Comanche Voter | November 26, 2018 at 4:56 am

One of those zombie politicos (like Hillary,but without her appeal,such as it is) that just won’t stop running.

Son of Postman is acting more and more Leftist by the minute. Back in his House days, he helped with balanced budgets as Chairman of Ways and Means. As Governor he may be trying too hard to please too many.

He has said he will veto a “stand your ground” bill that’s really a self defense law and a fetal heartbeat bill going through the Ohio Senate now. There should be enough votes to over ride.

This fool/tool has been running for President for at least 10 years, let hope he never gets in.

““Is there a legitimate opportunity for a third party, bipartisan kind of ticket to be able to score a victory or to have a profound impact on the future of American politics? … We don’t know at this point,” he said.”

Trump IS the 3rd party candidate who marched to the top of the GOP like a hot knife through butter. Kasich needs to study the Venn diagrams. Conservatives flocked to Trump who also united the disgruntled former Dems and disgruntled form Reps. Trump also keeps gaining with blacks and Hispanics and has held the GOP women. In fact, Trump owns the white vote now that the Uniparty has declared white people to be the enemy of humanity.

That leaves mostly the whack-job left, NeverTrumpers and the completely uninformed and disengaged “no opinion” to compete for and there is already a growing herd of communists challenging the supremacy of Hillary on the Dem side. Kasich gets the rest, the “ocean in the middle”. But…..

“Kasich told This Week host George Stephanopoulos that he’s considering a run even if he thinks he can’t win.”

Good luck with that. I can just see the money pouring into his war chest with “sure loser” as a campaign slogan. And as so many NeverTrumpers and other globalists keep proving, selling cancer is very, very expensive.

“Kasich . . . added that he is worried about the future of the United States…and not just in the short-term,” he said. “I’m worried about our country in the long-term.””

He may not realize it but he just demonstrated why he can’t win. Just another delusional ego-maniac with big ambitions.

    Excellent analysis, Phil. The thing that struck me, too, is reflected in your point that Kasich’s middle ground consists of, as you note, “mostly the whack-job left, NeverTrumpers and the completely uninformed and disengaged “no opinion” to compete for and there is already a growing herd of communists challenging the supremacy of Hillary on the Dem side. Kasich gets the rest, the ‘ocean in the middle’.”

    Here’s the deal with all that: a lot of #NeverTrumpers are rock-solid conservatives who find Kasich an abomination on gun control, amnesty, socialized health care, and a myriad other “big spending, big government” proposals. So he can’t win them, except in some (I hope very small) #NeverTrump protest vote circles: “I’s making a big ole brainless statement that no one will hear or care about if they did,” and he sure can’t win Democrats (a mistake Romney kept making by pandering to Democrat voters; any voter, left or right, will most likely go with the “real” Democrat / Republican over the fake wannabe appeasing panderer, as Romney learned the hard way). Also, Kasich is repulsive, he is not likable: he’s always grasping and scraping for approval and validation (hey, George, let’s talk about this offline, I would love your input on my chances even though you just told me on air they are zilch! I love to grovel and ingratiate myself to the media because I’m a great big moron.).

    I just can’t see him getting any traction at all. He’s useless and squishy and gross . . . to everyone on both sides of the aisle.

    Is there room for a true centrist-type? Yeah, I think there might be given how polarized we are. It would be someone who can bring the center-right and center-left, squishies who typically don’t even bother to vote, together and somehow convince them to vote . . . while picking off disgruntled lefties and righties in the process. A tall tall order. I don’t know who that would be, particularly as the Dems will be running flaming socialists who hate America on the one hand and centrist establishment candidates who are stuck between an SJW commie rock and a “hey, America isn’t so bad” hard place.

    One thing I feel pretty confident predicting: John Kasich will never ever be president of these United States.

      practicalconservative in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | November 26, 2018 at 8:22 am

      So why doesn’t Kasich do a Bloomberg and but that big bold D after his name? His views are closer to Hillary/Biden than Republican?

        Good question, and I have no idea. My guess is that he’s convinced himself that his progressive version of the Republican Party is the right and true way. Progressives have been Republicans since at least Teddy Roosevelt, so he may think the party is his home and that it’s been infiltrated by non-progressive forces? Or he may think that he’ll lose his “bipartisan appeal” (yes, he believes he has this, despite all evidence to the contrary) by becoming a Democrat–all those four Republicans who would have voted for him might not? Again, I have no idea, but I do agree he is not a good fit for the GOP (and hasn’t been for decades, by the way, this is nothing new).

      Almost totally agree. Two points.

      1) I’ve long been disillusioned with what exactly it means these days to be “conservative”. It seems that we used to be constitutional constructionists who believed in small government kept in check by a moral, responsible citizenry. People who defended their freedoms by ethos rather than laws and regulations. But we have been watered down by neocons (break-away former 1970s Democrats who believe the US is the world’s police), “socially liberal but economically conservative” libertarians (squishy people who don’t believe really understand the Constitution) and other single-issue dissenters. We’ve become shrinking tent of poindexters endlessly on the attack to expand their echo chambers and so impose their own narrow definition of “conservative” on the rest of us. We’ve become “complicated”. Our roots are very simple and we used to have a very simple message. So I completely disagree that NeverTrumpers” are rock solid conservatives. They are globalist interlopers who don’t belong in our tent. We are fighting for liberty by fighting for our constitution.

      2) Another case of words losing their meaning, Trump is the closest we constitutional conservatives can ever hope for as a conservative president. It takes charisma to sell conservatism and for now, Americans are mostly unhappy for the same reasons but still speaking a different language. Trump has cut through that by mostly arguing our conservative points that don’t really sound conservative but take us to the same place. That is what makes him effective and is frustrating the hell out of the left.

      Trump has been very effective in driving the narrative at a furious pace with his tweeting which opens the playing field for movement. Our enemies (yes, globalists are enemies) bite on all of his bait which exposes to all how desperate they are. Their only message hatred for Trump and those who voted for him. NeverTrumpers are the worst of the bunch. They should be hanged as traitors.

      Trump has captured the zeitgeist few even recognize. He is the only game in town. We’ve lost too many battles to again be nitpicking our differences. Without Trump, the war would have been lost for good in 2016. We either believe that the US is an independent sovereign nation under the US Constitution or we don’t. Let’s not blow it.

        Ragspierre in reply to Pasadena Phil. | November 26, 2018 at 12:59 pm

        SOOOOOooooo funny…!!!

        T-rump and Bernie Sanders are of a mind on BOTH trade policy and immigration.

        Hillary Rodham Clinton shocked polite progressive society by insisting that European leaders must exercise political discipline over immigration: “I think Europe needs to get a handle on migration because that is what lit the flame,” she said, indicating the recent wave of right-wing populism. She suggested that Europe is at its practical political carrying capacity, that Europeans can no longer promise “refuge and support” to new immigrants, the most visible of whom in recent years have been poor people from Muslim countries.

        Perhaps Mrs. Clinton has decided to revisit the successful anti-immigration rhetoric of the 2016 presidential race.

        Not from President Trump — from Senator Sanders.

        For a half a second in 2016, Senator Bernie Sanders, the grumptastical Vermont socialist, was out-Bannoning Steve Bannon if not quite out-Penning Marine Le Pen. Senator Sanders, speaking at Iowa union halls with signs out front banning foreign-made cars from the parking lot (an inconvenience to Sanders’s Subaru-driving hordes), insisted with great passion that continuing high levels of immigration from poor countries was part of a conspiracy to undermine the economic and political position of the American working class. Sounding for all the world like an alt-right rabble-rouser, he denounced so-called open-borders policies (creating literally open borders is an idea that has approximately zero political constituency in the United States, but, never mind the facts) as a “Koch brothers proposal” that would end up “making people in this country even poorer.”

        Candidate Trump concurred, eagerly.
        https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/11/hillary-clinton-immigration-welfare-chauvinism-democratic-politics/

          Okay you win! We all should have voted for Hillary in 2016! And we should have also followed the advice of you NeverTrumpers and voted for Democrats last month to save the Republicans! Yet you believe your “party of one” is winning.

          Why don’t you kick yourself out of that party and smell the coffee. You NeverTrumpers have dealt yourselves the fatal blows. Just jump off of the cliff already and stop wasting our time.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | November 26, 2018 at 2:20 pm

          You impute to me a series of lies.

          Typical.

          I’ve never advocated voting for any Democrat. That’s just a lie.

          I’m a T-rump Realist. You are a liar.

          I’m not a member of ANY “party”. I’ve been an independent for several decades.

          You…they idiot who opined that OccupyWhatever had a LOT of commonality with the TEA Party…are wasting the time of people who read your bullshit.

          Richard Grant in reply to Ragspierre. | November 26, 2018 at 5:51 pm

          Hilary wants the destruction and invasion of Europe to continue since she is member of the Elite who want a One World Government.

          Destruction of the European people are necessary and this invasion is how they planned it.

          She just realizes that TOO many are coming in TOO fast and the sleeping Europeans are waking up to what is coming. She wants to put them back to sleep, but keep on with the invasion and replacement of the European people.

          It is easier for the Elite to control 3rd world cultures than the very people who came up with Individuality, Freedom and the value of YOU.

          Europe must be destroyed.

          Rags: “I’ve never advocated voting for any Democrat.”

          Right. Just like you’ve never blackballed any African-Americans from joining the country club.

          But you’ve also never sponsored a single one.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | November 27, 2018 at 8:33 am

          Never been near a country club.

    “Kasich needs to study the Venn diagrams”

    I think Kasich already knows. There are 30 pieces of silver in his future. Perhaps Ambassador to Martha’s Vineyard.

In this article, Kasich’s thrust is all political. The American people are tired of politics, they want substance. John, don’t tell us you don’t like the diretion the country is going, tell us what diretion you want to take us – and be specific.

Novel idea,he can run as what he is a Democrat.

Interesting that we have to get important news on a timely basis from foreign press:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6429561/Trump-threatens-decisive-action-Mexico-does-not-deport-caravan-migrants-hundreds-storm-border.html

This is a bold move by Trump and I am sure most Americans are cheering. Can we withstand the squishy NeverTrumper doubters among us and stand our ground to support Trump? The battle is on. Pick a side.

Keep going, John! Only a few more miles until you achieve Full-Scarborough!

Here’s an option: Shut up and go away.

Bipartisan?? It is not bipartisan for a cross dressing Democrat dressed up as a Republican to agree with the Democrats. Kasich should get the transgender vote for his cross dressing though.

Jeb Bush might see this as an invitation to foist himself back into the abyss.

The Swamp keeps being revealed.

Amazing how corrupt our government has become. We’re an island in the midst of a monsterous sewer.

Does somebody with the personality of mayonnaise really think they have a chance?

We can’t go back. We don’t want a Politician or one who will “work with everybody”. We ant a [email protected]$$ who will FIGHT for us, (like the other side has).

No More Compromise. None

I, have to be on the “Republican” side, even though I am right of Attila, but I want ZERO compromise with the left. No deals. We win. You lose. I wish the Republicans had the Testosterone to say “NO”.

There is no room for compromise. We either have a border or none. We stop the spending or we go bancrupt. We have gold as money or we end up like Rhodesia. We outlaw all drugs or we all become drug addicts.

Fanaticism is the only redemption. Middle of the road gets you run over and dead.

A third party can only win if it is lead by someone with principles, like Abraham Lincoln.

John Kasich doesn’t have the principles to fire up a base of enough people to give him a chance to do anything but take away votes from the Republican nominee.

Fortunately, most Americans will not vote for a “sour grapes” campaign, which is how they will see a Kasich 3rd Party run.

So he’s trying to pull a Ross Perot and run third-party hand the general election to the Democrat candidate. But he’s not sure yet whether he would he helping or hurting Trump by running third-party. He’s looking to recruit someone to his right so that the ticket pulls more from Trump’s support.

That’s what I get from the article.

Maybe a Flake / Kasich or Kasich / Flake ticket. The one and only purpose would be to hurt Trump. Not sure if it would, but that’s what they’re having “earnest conversations” about.

This is just out of my imagination, I haven’t heard that Flake’s running yet. But they could try to munge Trump’s electoral votes at least in Arizona and Ohio.

John;
That is great!
You realize Hillary might kill you…

Maybe Kasich is planning to break “perennial candidate” Harold Stassen’s record. Kasick could then be forever known as the “supreme perennial candidate”. An immortal.

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