Antifa Mob takes over Portland streets, directs traffic, harasses drivers
“who really runs this town?”
Over the weekend, there was a vigil in Portland, Oregon for Patrick Kimmons, a black man who was shot by police. Afterwards, members of Antifa blocked streets, directed traffic, and harassed drivers and other people.
Scott Morefield reports at the Daily Caller:
Antifa Protesters Block Portland Traffic, Nearly Start Riot During Patrick Kimmons Vigil
Antifa protesters blocked traffic and almost started a riot during a Saturday march and vigil for Patrick Kimmons, a black Portland man shot by police on September 30 after he allegedly shot two people and approached officers holding a gun.
“Protesters Started a Riot in Downtown Portland!” tweeted videographer Brandon Farley, who, according to his Twitter feed, records “disruptive events in downtown Portland, Oregon.” The disturbing video shows protesters running down the street, and a group chasing an older white-haired man to his car…
“Just go that way,” a female protester told a driver who had rolled down his window to talk. When he purportedly asked why, she responded, “Because I told you to.”
“Yeah brother, yeah you little white little f*er,” a man, who appeared to be white himself, yelled while approaching the vehicle. “The First Amendment. Get the f* down the road.”
Columnist Andy C. Ngo, who is from Portland, posted the following videos on Twitter (strong language warning):
This is the type of street anarchy that routinely happens where I live. Here is video from 6 Oct showing Antifa directing traffic in downtown & threatening people who don’t obey with violence. Mayor @tedwheeler, who really runs this town? pic.twitter.com/OgjZNByxat
— Andy C. Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) October 8, 2018
And here is video of an elderly man who didn’t heed their street orders — so they chased him down. #Portland pic.twitter.com/AeXvhUKijO
— Andy C. Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) October 8, 2018
Saturday’s street take over was just one in a string of events where the city’s leaders abdicated responsibility to uphold the rule of law. Here’s an example I investigated from the summer that lasted for weeks: https://t.co/0tukZ1cMih
— Andy C. Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) October 8, 2018
The car in the second video was seriously damaged. KATU News reports:
Driver who pushed through protesters tells police his car sustained $3,000 in damages
The driver who pushed through a crowd of protesters in downtown Portland Saturday told police his vehicle sustained $3,000 in damages during the incident.
Police say they contacted the driver of the silver Lexus.
KATU News contacted the driver at his home in Southwest Portland Monday afternoon.
The driver says he was following two other cars that made a right-hand turn when one protester stepped in front of his car and others surrounded it.
It seems as if the left, lacking any real political power, is just taking power wherever they can get it.
I fear this is going to become more common.
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“When the responsible authorities fail to act, other forms of authority will assert themselves. They may not behave responsibly, but they WILL act” – Glen Reynolds
This is why I stopped hustling pool tables in college. This is why famous gunslingers are so rare. There is always somebody smarter, quicker, stronger, more evil than you.
These antifa thugs are playing out of bounds. They are about to be introduced to the wrong side of a claymore mine.
Tinkeling brass…
If someone attacks your car, you fear for your life and they are coming after you. Take out your gun and shoot them dead in the head. You’ve saved your life and made a great contribution to society.
The guy in South Carolina was in that situation. He had no gun so he used his car.
Look what happened to him.
Look, you two. If you’re attacked in your car, *stay* in your car and try to drive away without hurting anybody. If you seriously think they’re going to break into your car, i.e. broken glass and weapons, subtract ‘without hurting anybody’ from the previous sentence.
If you *can’t* drive away due to physical obstruction, you seriously think they’re going to harm you, and you have no other option, single shots, center of mass, and *stop* when you’re no longer in fear of your life. And for God’s sake, get a lawyer and shut up before you do anything more than give the police officers your ID.
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Yup. Andrew went over this in detail. I’ll try to locate the post, but short version is:
If you use lethal force (firearm or ramming with car) and there is not a clear imminent threat (see or hear perps shooting drivers, throwing molotov cocktails), you are going to have a very bad day in court.
Here it is
https://legalinsurrection.com/2016/09/analysis-is-it-lawful-self-defense-to-run-down-rioters-surrounding-your-vehicle/
Pay close attention to definition of “reasonable” fear.
What if your browser history shows that you had watched a video of Reginald Denny’s beating the day before? Nobody was being shot there, no Molotov cocktails thrown. Just a sudden attack.
This is a problem with our self-defense laws – they don’t recognize that any attack can turn lethal before you have an opportunity to realize it – you can be dead before you can realize the threat has turned lethal. This is why as a juror I would never convict someone who was behaving peaceably, was violently attacked in any way, and who reacted with lethal force. It’s not a game, it’s your life. There can be no reasonable expectation that you knew or had reason to know that the attack wouldn’t turn lethal. Your attacker takes the chance that you will err on the side of preserving your own life at his expense.
A person behaving peaceably who is violently attacked has an absolute right to guarantee his own survival. Which is to say his attacker has absolutely no right to put the defender’s survival into doubt.
Excellent advice George. Thanks.
I bet he is going to be found not guilty by reason of self defense.
His car was surrounded by violent protesters armed with clubs and striking his vehicle. His only choice was to flee and as he fled he only hit one person.
While it would not be wise, but would be really funny, to soak these clowns down with gasoline, and then advise them that they had better stop bothering people. It would be a shame if someone flicked a match their way.
“fires happen, Colonel”
But aren’t there laws about burning trash on public property?
Pay the fine. Misdemeanor at most.
Good luck on that if you hit, shoot, stab, or bat a government-protected species.
With Obama gone, there should be decreasing protection for protected species. In order for evolution to improve them, we need to stop protecting those who need to be culled.
And yet, when you’re certainly outnumbered, is that the wisest move? You have motive, but do you have proof, say, video from the outside showing the altercation as it unfolded and the obvious very real threat to life? Furthermore, in a leftist city like Portland, you have less chance of getting a true defender of liberty who will support you against the city’s leftist prosecutors, and it’s all the more possible to be (1) found guilty of, at a minimum, vigilante-type attacks on those one disagrees with, (2) lose your Second Amendment rights and (3) paint the rest of us as vigilantes.
I’d just as soon drive through them. If they refuse to get out of my way, so be it. Yet another reason why I have dashcams with audio on all my vehicles.
The problem with that is you could strike protesters who were not directly threatening you. I personally don’t have a problem with that. If two men rob a bank and someone gets killed, even the guy who stayed in the getaway car is guilty of murder. If a group of people are breaking the law by blocking a city street and some of that group violently attack a passing motorist, wouldn’t those merely blocking the street (participating in the same illegal activity with the attackers) be guilty as accessories just by blocking the street and facilitating the attack? I think that should make them fair game.
Where are the #ProudBoys?
Couldn’t those drivers sue the city of Portland for the violation of their civil rights? There was a motorcycle cop who watched the whole thing from a block away who did nothing about it.
There has to be someway the out-voted folks in Portland can maintain a semblance of their liberty or is moving out the only option?
Yes, of course, they would need the cash to get past the 9th Circus.
R.e. the motorcycle officer: No. There’s no way the *single* officer is going to wade into that mass of demonstrators, and no way they *should* go in alone unless somebody is being physically dragged out of a car, in which case all bets are off. He’s not a Texas Ranger, after all. If he takes action and has to shoot somebody because they attack him, his career is over and he will likely get prosecuted, no matter how correct his actions are.
Remember Benghazi
I’d be seriously disappointed to learn the the motorcycle cop had no radio with which to call for assistance.
If you’re a cop and you think doing your job to protect the lives and property of the public your sworn to protect is too dangerous, either to your physical well-being or your career, you should resign. You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.
Or emulate Scott Peterson and retire, glad that you made it to the end of your shift that day unharmed.
No. The SCOTUS has repeatedly held that the Police have NO DUTY to protect the public.
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html
I’m referring to forcing the City of Portland to protect its citizens. Of course, if they don’t have that responsibility, then the folks in Portland are spending a lot of wasted money.
There isn’t a more classical example of mob rule. And in this case it is just a mob exerting its power because it can. With no other purpose. Just to do it.
Portland Citizens deserve what they put in office
If the police abdicate their job, all should lose their jobs
Yeah, it’s hard for me to care. I have an ex-hippie liberal brother in law in Portland. This is what those idiots voted for when they picked their city government, so let them live with their choice. When they wake up and realize “wow this is a pretty crappy way to live” then things will change.
Portlander here. Kimmons needed shot, period. Each of the these faux protests delegitimizes BLM. Yet another good family man out in the worst part of downtown at 3AM with a gun. Of course, if I point this out in the wrong places, I be a raciss!
Yup. Andrew went over this in detail. I’ll try to locate the post, but short version is:
If you use lethal force (firearm or ramming with car) and there is not a clear imminent threat (see or hear perps shooting drivers, throwing molotov cocktails), you are going to have a very bad day in court.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2016/09/analysis-is-it-lawful-self-defense-to-run-down-rioters-surrounding-your-vehicle/
Actually, the federal government CAN send federal law enforcement officers into Portland and actually enforce federal law with regard to the actions of the protestors/terrorists. It has happened before, over the years. And, if authorities abrogate their legal responsibilities to keep the peace, then the citizenry will do it for them. This is why vigilante organizations grew up in various places at various times. These type of “demonstrations” only exist because the local authorities take no action to stop them and the local residents do not take action to resist them. When an armed citizenry reacts, these demonstrators simply melt away into the all-concealing shadows. And, that day is rapidly approaching.
I’m in Canada, and most of the sites I’ve been reading are Canadian or British. Since there are lots of US lawyers here, I’ll this question here: what is the escalation path if a city outright abdicates any responsibility for enforcing order against an insurgency like this? Can the state step in, and if so under what circumstances/constraints? If the state declines to step in (it is Oregon, after all), what authority does the federal government have to intervene?
There is actually a two-track system, state and federal.
The Governor of a stste, such as Oregon, is the chief law enforcement officer for the state. As such, he can utilize state law enforcement assets and agencies to enforce state laws, seperate from local towns, cities and counties. If the disturbances rise to a certain level, usually stipulated as being out of local control, the Governor can often activate the State National Guard, which has law enforcement powers, while operating for the Governor. If a local government body or local elected executive officer refuses to carry out his duties, including to enforce the law and keep the peace, the Governor can usually suspend that official for non-feasance.
On the federal track, what the AntiFa thugs were doing in Portland is technically a violation of civil rights laws. And, federal agencies, such as the FBI and DOJ can actively enforce these laws by arresting the perpetrators. Also, if local elected officials abet the violation of these laws, such as by ordering the local LEA to stand down, they are also in violation of civil rights laws [the laws were used against local governments which aided such organizations as the KKK during the 1960s].
So, a local government which refuses to maintain order or which allows thugs to engage in lawless behavior can be suspended from office by the Governor of the state AND end up under indictment for federal civil rights violations.
Thank you, Mac, that was very helpful.
The racism of Antifa/BLM is a special kind of stupid.
They never consider who SOLD the slaves to America.
They are all descended from slavers.
So the Antifa Fascists are at it again, what a shock. I’m just totally shocked that these Brown Shirts would pull something like this again and again…
Well, OK, no, I expect thugs to be thugs and these children will never grow a brain.
I was actually surprised that Kimmons usurped a protest over the confirmation of Kavanaugh. I knew that antifa was going to protest, because they have nothing else going on in their lives.
Portland, its like Balmer, w/o black people.
1). Stay in car….consider it a low grade APC, but you have 3000+ pounds of heft, several hundred ponies up front. Forget tHe to hand combat.
2) Welcome to Weimar Portandia. As with Baltimore, the authorities see this as limited local issue and not general public safety. They will let the issue burn itself out (down) rather than escalate with law enforcement presence. Think Reginold Denny in LA….frankly think everywhere but Parker Center in LA during the Rodney King Loot, Shoot and Scoot I and II Riots. It isn’t worth the real lives of cops nor the political lives of the authorities.
However, if this continues we will have reactive push back just as in Weimar times. Germans initially liked the SA for tamping down the communists.
What’s the difference between not letting a person go where the want to go while forcing them to go where they don’t want to go and kidnapping?
I probably depends on the definition of kidnapping and unlawful restraint in your state, though I would bet there’s no difference in many states.
I’m sure more will come out eventually about this move, though from the above it sounds like there was no big reason other than being tired of the UN crapfest.
She was anti-Trump, but we have seen from others who were anti-Trump that they are coming around and seeing him for what he has done in spite of all the adversity he faces every day. People do change their opinions based on getting to know those they oppose, or seeing what the opposition is doing to thwart him.
This was posted under the Nicki Hailey article, yet the screen did some stupid flipping and it ended up here.
Odd how this site is on my computer at times.
Sorry to the few people in PDX who did not vote for this.
To the rest of them…doesn’t it feel good to be part of the resistance?
Oregon is a near purple state. PDX votes overwhelmingly for THIS. Notice you don’t see these protestors doing this out in Oregon City, Gresham, Milwaukie, or Sandy- nope just downtown PDX.
Karma.
Do residents of Portland think this is okay?
In a recent survey of Portland residents who don’t want their heads beaten in, their cars wrecked, and their homes set on fire, 100% approved.
Well, I guess we don’t have to watch dystopian science fiction films to know what life in the U.S. would look like, if all of our government institutions at the federal, state and local levels were being run by goose-stepping, jackbooted Dumb-o-crats brownshirt thugs.
Orwell’s fiction is turned into dark reality, in contemporary Portland.
And, the police force’s total abdication of and/or dereliction of duty and responsibilities in the face of this Leftist coup, is beyond contemptible. If law enforcement allows Leftist jackboots and thugs to terrorize the citizenry, without intervening, then, they are complicit collaborators and have totally betrayed the public trust.
MasterBlaster runs Bartertown!
I love my 1911, but the possibility of this type of scenario (I live in Olympia, WA) is why I always carry a high-capacity striker fired pistol with two spare magazines.
Some time ago, and anarchist mob attacked and severely beat an officer from JBLM when he and his motorcycle were caught at a light. He was beaten because he was flying an American flag on his bike. I viewed this incident as verification that my fears of such a scenario are well-founded.
This is proof that there is no white supremacist group of consequence in the United States.
Because these are static targets.
My idea of stupid is a 100 lb. Antifa pipsqueak verses a 2000 lb. car.
Yo Antifalakes, play in the streets and get run over, Word Up.
It’s Portland, who cares? Seriously, it’s like all the California horror stories, I just yawn. As you sow, so shall you reap.