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Trump Ending War Games, Signs Vague Agreement With North Korea

Trump Ending War Games, Signs Vague Agreement With North Korea

Trump claims North Korea will start denuclearization right away.

President Trump and Kim Jong Un met at the luxurious Capella Resort on Sentosa island in Singapore and their warm handshake and smiles seem to signal that the days of name-calling and North Korean rocket launching may be over.

“Nice to meet you Mister President,” Kim said as he sat alongside Trump, against a backdrop of North Korean and U.S. flags, beaming more broadly as the U.S. president gave him a thumbs up. Trump said he was sure they would have a “terrific relationship”

With cameras of the world’s press trained on them, Trump and Kim displayed an initial atmosphere of bonhomie.

“I feel really great,” Trump said. “It’s gonna be a great discussion and I think tremendous success. I think it’s gonna be really successful and I think we will have a terrific relationship, I have no doubt.”

Kim replied: “Well, it was not easy to get here. The past has … placed many obstacles in our way but we overcame all of them and we are here today.”

Trump and Kim then had a 45-minute private huddle with 2 translators before staging another session with the press.

Moments later, Trump and Kim rejoined senior officials from both nations for a meeting that would get into the nitty-gritty of a possible nuclear disarmament deal.

‘Of course there will be challenges ahead, but I am ready to listen,’ Kim could be heard telling the U.S. president in the group setting, through a translator. ‘We overcame all kinds of skepticism and speculations about this summit, and I believe that this is good for the peace.’

Trump told him, ‘We will solve [this]. We will be successful. And I look forward to working on it with you. It will be done.’

In their very first greeting, Trump set the tone for the talks, sending Kim an outstretched hand and patting the dictator’s right elbow with the other. Neither man smiled during the formal photo, taken on a red carpet in front of alternating American and North Korean flags.

As they turned the corner to head into their first set of talks, however, in an area that Trump may have thought was off camera, the U.S. leader broke into a smile as he exchanged quiet words with Kim and another handshake that lasted several seconds.

A third grip-and-grin followed brief remarks to press inside the portion of their one-on-one meeting that was open to cameras.

The Meeting

After four hours, the two leaders met to sign a comprehensive historic agreement. Kim noted that the document was going “to leave the past behind”.

The Washington Examiner published the joint statement of Trump and Kim:

1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new US-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.

2. The United States and DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula

4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

However, it appears to have a more symbolic nature than anything else as it does not mention sanctions or to sign a peace treaty in the end. Anthony Ruggiero at the Washington’s Foundation for Defense of Democracies said the deal “looks like a restatement of where we left negotiations more than 10 years ago and not a major step forward.”

The president described the agreement as “very comprehensive,” but it does not offer the details “on how to make the denuclearization process quick, verifiable or irreversible—often stated U.S. goals.” The Wall Street Journal noted that the agreement mirrors the one signed by the two Koreas in their April significant summit: “It didn’t codify Pyongyang’s unilateral moratorium on nuclear and missile tests, or contain any reference to sanctions relief. It made a general pledge to a security guarantee for North Korea but didn’t offer any specifics or make any mention of the status of U.S. military forces in South Korea.”

Media reports claimed that Trump did not speak about human rights during the meeting, but Trump stated that the subject “was discussed relatively briefly compared to denuclearization.”

Trump said that Kim told him “that North Korea is already destroying a major missile engine testing site.” To everyone’s surprise, Trump announced that the U.S. will stop war games with South Korea as he finds it “inappropriate” as the two Koreas “are in the middle of a new agreement aimed at defusing the Korean peninsula.”

Trump said that he trusts the North Korean dictator, but insisted that the U.S. will “have to check him” and that “we’ll check him strongly,” but that Kim “has a plan total and complete.” Trump did not offer any details on that plan, though.

The movie left our ally confused:

“At this moment we need to figure out President Trump’s accurate meaning and intention of this comment,” said the statement from the Blue House. “However, we believe we need to seek various measures how to efficiently move forward the dialogues [as] serious talks are being conducted to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula and establish relationships between North Korea and the United States.”

Body Language

They say actions speak louder than words and you can usually tell what is really going on by watching a person’s moves like the handshakes as Time described with help from body language expert Traci Brown:

Trump initiated all three handshakes exchanged so far, even though he’s called shaking hands a “barbaric” way to greet someone. Trump’s grip and grins with Kim also notably steered cleared of the death grip yanks he has previously exercised on world leaders, including Japan’s Shinzo Abe and France’s Emmanuel Macron.

“Trump went out of his way to play host. That’s a nice way of showing control over Kim,” says Brown.

There have been many interesting moments, especially for body language watcher.

You can’t dismiss the height and age advantage that Trump has over the dictator. Brown told Time via email that this “makes ALL the difference in the image” since “[T]owering over his North Korean counterpart confers Trump an immediate, visual upperhand.”

The fact that Trump touched Kim’s arm numerous times helps “signal power and Trump’s desire to look in control of the meeting.”

But we need to remember cultural differences as well. Politico wrote that people on Twitter wrote about awkward eye contact, but there’s a reason for that:

While some viewers used Twitter to talk about awkward eye contact, Pease explained that it was a cultural difference rather than a sign of submission. Differing perspectives spoke volumes of the immense culture gap and differences at play between the nations.

In the West, it is disingenuous not to look someone in the eye, whereas in Korean culture it is polite not to make full eye contact with someone who is elder or superior. Kim displayed the same courtesy to South Korea’s Moon when they met in April.

Other Details

Surprisingly, my very favorite moment so far came from CNN…whose sole North Korea expert was Dennis Rodman wearing a Make America Great Again hat and dissing Obama.

Speaking of which, here is the hot souvenir from Singapore.

I would like to conclude by noting it was exactly one year ago that President Trump’s team secured the release of Otto Warmbier, who died shortly after his return due to the massive trauma sustained while being tortured in North Korea. Though we may never know what happened, I would like to think his executioner was among the 200 hard-line North Koreans who died when the nation’s nuclear test mountain collapsed.

I will also hope that the recent removal of other old-time militants will mean that Kim will continue to work toward economic reforms and a healthier governmental model and that this process has now officially begun.

*Leslie Eastman wrote the first draft of this post. Mary Chastain updated with the latest breaking news.


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Close The Fed | June 12, 2018 at 9:09 am

This continues to go in the right direction. With Pompeo, Bolton, et al., North Korea can kiss goodbye the idea that we’ll let them slide on implementation of the terms of denuclearization.

I watched the entire Dennis Rodman interview with Cuomo. Gosh, very informative!! Not only helping with N.K., but also peeling off some more blacks from the left side of the aisle. Love it! And he was honest; commented that he was “naive” about N.K. when he first went, didn’t know anything about it, or anything about Kim, or even what his title was… Very informative interview.

And my ears really perked up when he said Obama blew him off and wouldn’t give him the time of day. Confirms a lot we already knew about Obama: ineffective and not really in tune with the real black community as opposed to the black community rabble rousers.

    puhiawa in reply to Close The Fed. | June 12, 2018 at 12:27 pm

    And I thought it interesting that Trump had someone call him up to see what he could share on Kim’s personality and thought.
    Of course, at that point Cuomo looked like he was getting sick, so that was a distraction.

Close The Fed | June 12, 2018 at 9:11 am

One more thing: I didn’t hear anything about asking N.K. to stop the satellites going over the U.S.A. twice a day. He could have small enough nukes in them to drop an EMP attack on us and kill tens of millions. I hope someone on our team remembers to deal with this.

    “I hope someone on our team remembers to deal with this.”

    One, you can be absolutely certain there are no nukes on those satellites.

    Two, you can be certain our military has not forgotten anything regarding NK.

      Close The Fed in reply to Barry. | June 12, 2018 at 12:55 pm

      Re: Barry:

      With all due respect, Norman Schwarzkopf made a concession after we vanquished Iraq in the Kuwait campaign:

      :Schwarzkopf said afterward he agreed with Bush’s decision to stop the war rather than drive to Baghdad to capture Saddam, as his mission had been only to oust the Iraqis from Kuwait.

      But in a desert tent meeting with vanquished Iraqi generals, he allowed a key concession on Iraq’s use of helicopters, which later backfired by enabling Saddam to crack down more easily on rebellious Shiites and Kurds.”

      As a lawyer, I know from experience things can be overlooked in negotiations or just forgotten, or unappreciated during negotiations. The military and SOS aren’t perfect.

      As far as bombs on satellites, I don’t recall where I have read it, but it is a real concern. The bombs would not have to be sophisticated as long as they were dropped at the appropriate altitude for a wide dispersement of the damaging energy.

      Don’t be naive.

        Ragspierre in reply to Close The Fed. | June 12, 2018 at 1:44 pm

        Barri (who cannot bring himself to type “Ragspierre”) isn’t naive. He’s a true believer. He CANNOT give place for anything but his cult’s dogma.

        NK has not shown any capability of placing nuclear devices in orbit.

        It is not naive to suggest our military is not going to forget about what capabilities they do have.

        Nuclear weapon detonation in the atmosphere is a threat. There are several ways to do this without a satellite, simple ballistic missiles or short flight from a container ship right on our coast are two. Both of those are NK possibilities.

        While something might get overlooked, I don’t think it will be the obvious.

          Ratbert in reply to Barry. | June 12, 2018 at 3:17 pm

          Give the poor guy a break Barry, didn’t he already inform us that he is a lawyer? You can’t expect him to know anything the least bit technical about the real world.

          Barry in reply to Barry. | June 12, 2018 at 6:20 pm

          CTF is OK. You don’t have to be a lawyer to know things get missed occasionally. Any engineer on a project knows this about as well as anyone.

          So does the military.

        txvet2 in reply to Close The Fed. | June 12, 2018 at 4:20 pm

        I wouldn’t be too hard on Schwartzkopf. Given the fact that his superiors, Bush and Powell, deliberately stopped the destruction of Hussein’s armor, allowing the last of it to escape from the trap so that Iraq would still have the capability to defend itself from Iran, the decision to allow them to keep the helis was entirely reasonable.

I’m not sure why anyone expected to be given the minutia for every point after just a couple of hours long meeting. All of that will need to be ironed out over the upcoming months. When it comes to proof of their commitment, we need to stop depending on organizations like the IAEA to monitor them. If we don’t have our own people on the ground, we’re just going to get screwed again.

    Close The Fed in reply to Sanddog. | June 12, 2018 at 1:10 pm

    Re: Sanddog:

    I hope no one has taken my comments as meaning I thought the EMP/Satellite item should have been included in the initial meeting/document. Not at all. I just hope that when it’s all said and done, it’s covered. I’ve spoken with people who go to meetings about EMP attacks and other preparedness items; the EMP thing would be absolutely catastrophic, and makes me think I should become a prepper.

      tom_swift in reply to Close The Fed. | June 12, 2018 at 1:39 pm

      I’ve spoken with people who go to meetings about EMP attacks

      Any of them physicists? Aerospace engineers? Nuke weapons designers? You may be speaking with the wrong people.

      My comment was to answer the question. I didn’t take yours as demeaning to the POTUS or the military.

      EMP is a threat. Just how big a threat is not precisely clear. As an electrical engineer, I find it highly threatening, but there are others that find it less so.

      If you wish a good read, read “One Second After” by Forstchen, dealing with the aftermath of a devastating EMP strike.

      It’s set in a part of NC I spent a year in early in my life…

…and the meeting failed to cure cancer or to stop global climate change…

Trump announced that he will order an end to regular “war games” that the United States conducts with ally South Korea, a reference to annual joint military exercises that are an irritant to North Korea.

Trump called the exercises “very provocative” and “inappropriate” in light of the optimistic opening he sees with North Korea. Ending the exercises would also save money, Trump said.

The United States has conducted such exercises for decades as a symbol of unity with Seoul and previously rejected North Korean complaints as illegitimate. Ending the games would be a significant political benefit for Kim, but Trump insisted he did not give up leverage.

I wonder how the SecDef feels about that…

    Tom Servo in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 9:53 am

    First, it’s a decision that is very easily reversed if North Korea reverts to it’s old ways. Second, it’s something the current accomodationist South Korean government is very likely to welcome. 3rd, it’s actually going to free up a significant amount of money in our defense budget to use elsewhere.

    North Korea’s military threat comes from its rockets and its nukes. They haven’t had the military ability to carry an actual ground invasion for decades now. In fact it only worked the first time because China’s PLA went all in for them.

      Ragspierre in reply to Tom Servo. | June 12, 2018 at 10:09 am

      First, support your billshit.

      Second, support your bullshit.

      Third, support your bullshit.

      The NORKs have a VERY large and overwhelming advantage in conventional arms. More apparent bullshit from you.

        scaulen in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 10:40 am

        Yup an overwhelming army just like Iraq had. Trained by Russia/China with traditional top down control centers, no training at the unit level on what to do if the attack plan falls apart. Decapitate their military and the rest become wandering ants looking for food. Those ants will also be running into well trained carrier and land based planes that have perfected their technique of destroying ground targets.

          Yeah, don’t underestimate hungry ants. We’re talking about a huge number of hungry soldiers across a huge border foraging for food among the local population, the kind of mixed-targeting solutions that modern warfare has issues with in small areas. Sure, they’d be killed in large numbers wherever they mass, but that hasn’t stopped the ants infiltrating my home.

          Worse, a social collapse of NK would send waves of starving civilians south mixed in with the military.

          scaulen in reply to scaulen. | June 12, 2018 at 11:36 am

          You can’t use explosives to take out the ants, well at least in the North East they frown on that.

          The military will be busier fording for food then anything else. Also if the command and control structure breaks down in NOKO the civilians won’t need to give most of their food away. They starve to feed the military and the leaders, if they are no longer being forced to give food away they won’t roam further then the nearest farming community. There is also the neighbor to the North that would gladly cross the border and “help” them.

          Tom Servo in reply to scaulen. | June 12, 2018 at 12:11 pm

          ants an open ground could be dangerous – but ants on ground where there have been built in underground machine bunkers covering the entire field of fire, bunkers that have been in existence for over 60 years now?

          Come on, the English and the French tried that over and over in 1917. We know how that goes. If you first strike the defenses with a tactical nuke, then yes, an army could get through. With Nukes, the norks are dangerous. Without nukes, they’re hopeless.

        Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 11:41 am

        “The NORKs have a VERY large and overwhelming advantage in conventional arms.”

        You’re not really knowledgeable about military hardware. NK only has a single advantage, a first strike upon Seoul. After that, the deluge by the Americans and South Koreans.

        None of that matters. The NK’s are not suicidal.
        Their nukes are not yielding the advantage they had sought. Their “overwhelming advantage in conventional arms” is non existent in terms of military conquest.
        Their people are starving, the prisons are full, even their Army is in trouble.

        They cannot survive, the regime cannot survive in the face of sanctions that are also supported by the Chinese that have their own problems with the new American face.

        So, they have no choice, make peace, get rid of the nuclear threat to the USA, or perish.

        It really is that simple.

        Tom Servo in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 12:06 pm

        wow – rags combines overwhelming strategic ignorance with his general ignorance of everything else.

        The DMZ is generally rough country, all of the potential pass through points have been mined and pretargeted by fixed artillery sites for decades. Passes have been set up with explosives in place to shut down any possiblity of moving troops or tracked vehicles through them, and the Norks do not have paratroop capability, especially not with AA missile batteries on the ground.

        the Norks are dangerous because of their Nukes and their missiles. Without those, they are a paper tiger. Have been for decades.

          Tom Servo in reply to Tom Servo. | June 12, 2018 at 12:14 pm

          did I need to add that all it takes in the future to put the War Games back on is a single phone call to the American Commander in charge? Wow, that will be so hard, how could it ever possibly happen.

          Ragspierre in reply to Tom Servo. | June 12, 2018 at 12:51 pm

          I see a lot of rank opinion. I don’t see ANY support for your 2 and three.

          I asked a question regarding what the SecDef thinks about T-rump’s statement. I don’t see any answers or even speculation.

          The idea that war gaming with allies is a waste of money and “provocative” isn’t consistent with a sound American defense policy. It’s Left-Progressive dogma. More Sanders than Reagan.

          Barry in reply to Tom Servo. | June 12, 2018 at 2:08 pm

          “I don’t see any answers or even speculation.”

          Until he speaks, we don’t have an answer.

          Speculation is a bit silly. It is the commander in chief’s opinion that natters most.

          Your “question”, was meant as some form of persuasion, typical of progs.

          What everyone notices is, you are always on the side of Pelosi.

          Ragspierre in reply to Tom Servo. | June 12, 2018 at 2:40 pm

          Progs, like Duh Donald, don’t “persuade”. They dictate (see tariffs, illegal).

          Anyone who says that I’m with Pelosi is insane, lying like Dirty Barri, or both. Usually you can count on BOTH.

          Now, STFU with your mindless personal attack lies, and just deal with issues. This is not about me.

          Barry in reply to Tom Servo. | June 12, 2018 at 6:10 pm

          Thin skinned can be added to your list of faults.

          Just like Pelosi.

          Ragspierre in reply to Tom Servo. | June 12, 2018 at 7:47 pm

          Oh, PAAAAAALESE…!!!

          Nobody is as thin-skinned as your Great Goad Cheeto, and you know it and will lie about it!

          Barry in reply to Tom Servo. | June 12, 2018 at 8:43 pm

          Defense Secretary James. N. Mattis, however, was “not surprised” by the decision to cancel the drills, said spokeswoman Dana White. “They had spoken on all of these issues well in advance.”

          We can put another silly assertion to rest.

          Ragspierre in reply to Tom Servo. | June 12, 2018 at 9:03 pm

          Still more lies.

          First, there was no “assertion”. I asked a question.

          You’re willing to swallow any load the administration shoots.

          The South Koreans don’t agree.

        Ratbert in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 3:23 pm

        Amateurs talk weapons, professionals talk logistics. Just what logistics does North Korea have to support a large mechanized invasion of South Korea? Don’t forget, they have to support the foot-long parasite that every infantryman carries in his stomach. Also what happens when the underfed and undersupplied Norks come across the first supermarket? I very seriously doubt that the South Korean army could lose to the North, you retarded troll.

      Ragspierre in reply to Tom Servo. | June 12, 2018 at 10:15 am

      Now that our military spears are blunted with “very provocative” and “inappropriate” (agreeing with decades of NORK propaganda) voiced by POTUS (not some ambassador), how does Duh Donald or any successor “easily reverse” that message?

    Sanddog in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 10:34 am

    I see it as a non issue. For probably the first time ever, we’ve walked away from talks without getting fleeced. Our troops aren’t going to leave South Korea or Japan so it’s not like the cancellation of this exercise is going to have a major impact. We’ve spent decades isolating them, making demands and ultimately getting screwed. But hey, let’s keep doing the same thing over and over and see if we can get different results (I think there’s a word for that…).

    Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 10:52 am

    Huh, how could I guess rags would be on here parroting the progs before the paid progs show up to do it?

    Part of a pattern I suppose.

      Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | June 12, 2018 at 12:58 pm

      The only “pattern” I show is that I retain the ability to think critically instead of giving my cult-leader a tongue-bath every day. That’s a Conservative thing you’ve lost any capacity to comprehend.

        Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 2:22 pm

        “giving my cult-leader a tongue-bath every day”

        Seems to me your giving a “tongue-bath” to Pelosi and Schumer right now.

          Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | June 12, 2018 at 3:01 pm

          But you’re a lying cultist nutter. You are the person raising (in a deflection and personal attack) the names you mentioned. I’ve never hinted at either.

        Ratbert in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 3:29 pm

        Ratspierre; a cult of one. How does one make oneself so willfully ignorant? The stupid, it burns!

    RITaxpayer in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 12:14 pm

    Gee, Rags. I just watched Chuck Schemer (D) NY saying the same thing on CSPAN but, that’s his job. How long have YOU been a whining liberal hoping for the worst for our country. You could at least give it 24 hours before hoping for the worst. Your intense hatred for the President of YOUR country isn’t healthy. Open your eyes. He’s winning.

      Ragspierre in reply to RITaxpayer. | June 12, 2018 at 1:11 pm

      Your post is just a delusional personal attack.

      How was anything I said either “hateful” or “hoping for the worst”?

      I remarked on words and actions. Facts. Open your eyes. Stop mindlessly attacking people with falsehoods who merely challenge the echo-chamber.

        Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 2:11 pm


        You’ve given no facts, just opinion.

        You are the lefts echo chamber.

        Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 2:47 pm

        Another of your obvious (therefore just stupid) lies.

        I’ve quoted POTUS and others. I’ve asked questions. And I’ve stated what I consider irreproachable truisms, such as the above regarding management practices.

        RITaxpayer in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 3:25 pm

        Rags, I owe you an apology. YOU weren’t saying the exact same thing Chuck Schemer (D NY) was saying…you were aping (like an echo chamber) that bastion of journalistic integrity, the Washington Post, that WAS saying the same thing Chuck Schemer was saying. You know, like an echo chamber.

        re: glass houses

        Open your eyes. Trumps winning and we’re winning because of him.

          Ragspierre in reply to RITaxpayer. | June 12, 2018 at 3:38 pm

          I used the WaPo quoting Duh Donald as a source…as do LI authors do every week.

          “The idea that war gaming with allies is a waste of money and “provocative” isn’t consistent with a sound American defense policy. It’s Left-Progressive dogma. More Sanders than Reagan.”

          Deal with this, which you NEVER heard from anyone BUT me. (And don’t try to lie either to me or about me.)

I happened to catch some of NBC’s coverage as they arrived and started their private meeting.

Laughed my ass off at how jealous Holt, Mitchell, et al, were of DeNiro. You could smell it. Was a thing of beauty.

That was pretty much as much as I was expecting out of an initial meeting. Of course, they’re all raggin’ on Trump today for not fixing everything immediately.

Hardest hit, the leftard libtards!

Its a beginning, a stepping stone…a step in the right direction if you will.

President Trump and Kim Jong Un met at the luxurious Capella Resort on Sentosa island in Singapore and their warm handshake and smiles seem to signal that the days of name-calling and North Korean rocket launching may be over.

Yeah, but don’t forget, Obama got that Nobel Peace Prize for something he did might have done didn’t even try to do!

American Human | June 12, 2018 at 10:41 am

I don’t consider myself an expert on any of this however, after years (65+) of life and observation of human behavior I believe I understand a bit of what is happening.
1 – Kim wants to be considered a International Leader and so believed (possibly when moved upon by old hard-liners) he could be so by bragging, shooting off missiles, and developing nuclear weapons etc.
2 – For whatever reason, he (possibly) saw the foolishness of continuing to threaten the U.S.
3 – Trump saw this as an opening and started implying that Kim could be considered an International Leader by being friends with the U.S. instead of being an enemy.
4 – It is even possible that The Worm helped with this.
5 – Trump continued push the “We’re not your enemy” line with him and he started to believe.
6 – This all may yet unravel but is sure looks legit at this point.
7 – Many many little steps led to this point. If this comes off, There is no one on earth more deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize than Trump.
8 – If the Peace Prize is awarded to anyone, it would most likely be Kim, implying that he led Trump to the peace table.
9 – The rest of the Compos Mentis world will understand how this went down.
10 – Chuck Shumer et al will melt, much like the Wicked Witch of the West.

    Exiliado in reply to American Human. | June 12, 2018 at 11:03 am

    Kim Jong Un was forced to come to negotiate when his nuclear testing mountain collapsed. He finished sinking the economy into this pet project and now he has NOTHING.
    North Korea must be in desperate need for international aid, and that’s what they are likely expecting in return.

      txvet2 in reply to Exiliado. | June 12, 2018 at 4:33 pm

      “”Kim Jong Un was forced to come to negotiate when his nuclear testing mountain collapsed.””

      Unmentioned as far as I know, but possibly relevant, is the likelihood that a significant percentage of his nuclear experts were among the 200 odd killed in the collapse. It’s entirely possible that he no longer possesses even the brainpower necessary to carry on his nuclear program.

    c0cac0la in reply to American Human. | June 12, 2018 at 11:18 am

    My guess if the Peace prize is handed out for NK denuclearization, it’ll go to both Kim and Moon. Just Kim alone would look contrived. Both Kim and Moon would make it more symbolic.

    There’s no way the Nobel Peace Prize committee would ever include Pres. Trump in the award. It would mean the entire international media establishment eating crow after all the things they’ve written about him. Even though he’s done far more than 0bama to deserve one.

Rags, yes NK has a very large standing army. but what is not said is that most of them are mal nourished and they only have about 1 rifle for every 4 infantry. Also the majority of NKs is its ability to hit Seoul with artillery.

Truth be known once our advanced tactical capabilities came into play, any war with NK would be very short lived. they just do not have the ability to defend against our technology. Think Iraq. The issue is that without a first strike from the US/SK, NK can do a lot of damage to a heavily populated area before we could respond.

Ok. Fine. Give the NORKS Dennis Rodman, but DO NOT give them $$$!

Watching the face of Chris Cuomo while interviewing Rodman was priceless. He looked like he was constipated and trying to blow a turd the size of Manhattan.

I hope that Rodman is another who will help open the eyes of other blacks to what the Democratic Party really is to them. I think a great campaign ad would be news reports of Obama helping the hopefuls of 2020, and Rodman saying Obama blew him off.

This is a start. Who knows where it will lead, but without talks there will be nothing done. I think Kim has been talked to, China feels the pressures of their support of NK, and Kim has to be feeling the pressures of the sanctions.

I am not really convinced that there will be one Korea again, as the governments of North and South are too vastly different, and I don’t see South Korea agreeing to being under Kim, nor North Korea agreeing to Democracy at this time. There are too many in NorK who owe their wealth and power to Kim Jong Un. They will not like losing power, so they will fan flames of discontent.

Any progress though comes with making some concessions. I believe Trump gave Kim a symbolic concession by suspending the military games with South Korea. Trump’s statement is meant to give Kim a sense of having won something for what he is reported to be willing to give up.

If this goes through, if Kim disarms nuclear weapons and the whole program, this is truly huge, and is something to build on. Sure, NorK has motivations with this, the mountain collapse and the Chinese being two big motivations, but Kim is the mouse that roared. There is a long road to travel, but every journey starts with the first step. The first few steps have been taken.

It is just a first step. Contrast with any set of first steps by anyone in the past 50 years not named Reagan.

Oh, the progs and their enablers went after Reagan as well.

There is a lot we don’t know. We have tons of information on the state of NK internally and the state of mind of its leader. It is not publically disseminated. Trump certainly has the information and acts upon it accordingly. It seems clear that our administration believes that rocketman is ready for a change.

Wanting a good laugh I turned on CNN. Very first thing I heard was holier-than-thou guest saying “Kim played Trump like a fiddle”
Sooo predictable!


Donald Trump is an American genius. Period.

Next press conference, he should state: “I have the resources of the CIA, FBI, NSA and other top intelligence organizations. Despite all those resources, no one here can figure out what barack obama was given the Nobel Prize for.”

Trump encourages change by manipulating incentives.

That’s really it.

The difference is, he means it when he imposes sanctions.

People have to remember that this was, essentially, a preliminary meeting, not the usual meeting between leaders after all the details have been hammer out. The agreement was was really an agreement in principle, not a final contract or treaty. Hense, it was “vague”. Most observers are used to a leader taking an active part in such negotiations. I think that it went rather well. We’ll have to see how it develops.

healthguyfsu | June 12, 2018 at 12:01 pm

I bet Iran is thinking oh sh*t right about now.

Bucky Barkingham | June 12, 2018 at 12:21 pm

Aside from reading body language are you also consulting a crystal ball and reading tea leaves? How about perusing chicken innards? LI seems to be going out of its way to throw shade on Trump for this historic meeting with KJU.

As of Tuesday morning, U.S. Forces in Korea are still moving ahead with plans for the annual exercise known as Ulchi Freedom Guardian.

“USFK has received no updated guidance on execution or cessation of training exercises — to include this fall’s schedule Ulchi Freedom Guardian,” U.S. Forces in Korea spokesperson Lt. Col. Jennifer Lovett told Reuters on Tuesday morning. “In coordination with our [South Korean] partners, we will continue with our current military posture until we receive updated guidance.”

Good managers don’t leave their organizations in a WTF? mode.

    Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 2:19 pm

    “to include this fall’s schedule”

    I believe there is a bit of time left. Since the ink is barely dry, and months are ahead, only a prog could use this to question a good start at negotiations with NK.

    You should have your own gig on MSNBC. Fit right in. Perhaps an interview with Scarborough.

      Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | June 12, 2018 at 2:32 pm

      Just curious, Dirty Barri (no lie too debased to tell), how is that not a deflection and personal attack?

      And would a good LEADER/MANAGER keep his flucking mouth from outrunning his consultations with his own (much smarter and more informed) people?

      Only a Prog lies like you do.

        RITaxpayer in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 3:34 pm

        “And would a good LEADER/MANAGER keep his flucking mouth from outrunning his consultations with his own (much smarter and more informed) people?”

        That’s been his MO from day 1. Pay more attention. We’re winning and YOU’RE winning, whether you like it or not. SHEEEESH!

          Ragspierre in reply to RITaxpayer. | June 12, 2018 at 3:50 pm

          Calling an ENORMOUS unforced propaganda win AND capitulation for and to our adversaries a “win” is gobsmacking.

        Ratbert in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 3:35 pm

        Ratspierre, flailing away to no effect at facts, truth, and logic. I had more respect for you when you showed up here every day during the election to promote your muse, Hillary Clinton.

        heyjoojoo in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 5:25 pm

        Fragle Ragittyspear trying to fill a void with fluff, again, still.
        The Democrats have come up with a list of “demands” for any NK deal; mind you, not a single one of these demands was included in Obama’s illegal Iran deal. The illegal pact Obama paid billions for with Iran required 30 days notice before any inspections could occur and absolutely no inspections of military sites. I suspect the terms for NK will be a bit stricter than any low bar set by any treasonous Democrat. I don’t believe I’ve every seen a more desperate pack of freaks than the Democrats are today.

          Ragspierre in reply to heyjoojoo. | June 12, 2018 at 5:34 pm

          Instead of adding your stupid personal attack, why don’t you deal directly and rationally with the several substantial points I’ve raised here?

        heyjoojoo in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 5:39 pm

        When your points are relevant, I shall.

        heyjoojoo in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 11:41 pm

        Calm down Judith.
        I have yet to see anything of real substance.

Trump is waiting to see if KJU is going to start immediate actions for denuking (IMO). I don’t know what kind of step comes next, but when I watched the summit, Trump said that the beginning of denuclearization was to be immediate, even though the process itself is extensive and will take a long time for completion. He referred to the idea that when denuclearization reaches a certain point, maybe 20 percent, it would be too difficult to turn back. Trump is waiting for the initial step to get the process going.

Body language.

This passes for analysis now. Experts have no more idea what they’re talking about post-meeting than before it took place. But ink needs to be spilt and quills need breaking. Damn the torpedoes!

We got 1/100th the coverage when Obama’s people failed us in Davos – and not a one of the reports mentioned body language, tarot cards or chicken entrails.

Ya’ll need to get your act together. Try a bit harder maybe. And consult those black cat bones FIRST if words fail ye.

    Tiki…It’s hard to fill up that 24/7 news cycle…

    My favorite: “Breaking News…we’re going to show you the same video we’ve been showing…but now, the video will be analyzed by a dog psychic….”

    I’m in negotiations with CNN as we speak…I’ll be recreating the Singapore event using balloon animals…
    (very exciting)

Ben puts up actualities from Duh Donald. They aren’t “winning”.

    Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 6:34 pm

    LOL, the Ben “nevertrumper” Shapiro show.

    No thanks, he’s deranged.

      Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | June 12, 2018 at 7:42 pm

      No. It’s you who is deranged. Look up his pod-cast with Jonah Goldberg just last Sunday.

      It shows you’re a lying old cultist nutter who doesn’t even know what terms you use mean.

      But, aside from you being a stupid bigot, the actualities are worth reviewing.

        heyjoojoo in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2018 at 11:43 pm

        Favorite word, “stupid”. [facepalm]

        Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | June 13, 2018 at 1:41 am

        “aside from you being a stupid bigot”

        That’s a good one. Look, a prog is calling me a bigot. Next I’ll be a racist, then perhaps a misogynist. Progs always end up calling people bigots, racists, and misogynists.

        Well, Maybe Ben Shapiro is a member of some oddball religion, black, and female, but I didn’t know it.

        That ones rich.

          Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | June 13, 2018 at 8:54 am

          I used the word correctly and aptly. You are a bigot. Look it up.

          Barry in reply to Barry. | June 13, 2018 at 2:35 pm

          Since the core definition doesn’t apply, and it certainly doesn’t apply with the modifier, it just makes the lawyer using it nothing short of ignorant.

          Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | June 13, 2018 at 9:55 pm

          Definition of bigot for English Language Learners

          : a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

          And most bigots are stupid. Some by choice…

          Barry in reply to Barry. | June 14, 2018 at 12:16 am

          Definition of nut for English Language Learners

          : a person who strongly and unfairly infers that a person that recognizes derangement is a bigot : a nut; especially : a person who is deranged their selves

          And most nuts are stupid. Some by choice…

          Of course I neither “strongly” nor “unfairly” dislike Shapiro. I just recognize he is deranged. Just as I recognize you are deranged. It is so common it has it’s own name, TDS or Trump Derangement Syndrome.

          And by the definition, and your strong and unfair pure raging hatred of Trump, you clearly are a bigot.

          Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | June 14, 2018 at 5:02 am

          Poor old, lying, bigoted cultist nutter.

          BTW, a speaker implies. A listener infers.

          There are dictionaries on the interwebs.

Defense Secretary James. N. Mattis, however, was “not surprised” by the decision to cancel the drills, said spokeswoman Dana White. “They had spoken on all of these issues well in advance.”

We can put another silly assertion to rest.

inspectorudy | June 13, 2018 at 1:07 am

The way I see this event is that Kim is broke and the only buyers he had for his nuke program ar the Iranians. Trump is closing that spigot and he is literally broke. He couldn’t pay for his hotel in Singapore! He fired his top three warmongers and is now trying to figure out how to do this de-nuke program without giving away too much too soon. This first meeting was natural because there is no precedent for any actions or conditions like this in history. Trump is doing a masterful job and the DC crowd hates every minute of it because they are useless. Of course, Trump will bring in the tech people to go into the details, but he is wooing Kim and there is no one on our side better suited for the job! When the leftists stop[ and think about 6 months ago and how both sides were talking nuclear war, Trump has come a LONG way since then!

clayusmcret | June 13, 2018 at 6:50 am

How long do we hold a grudge? To some degree we’ve resumed relations with every country we’ve ever fought….except one – North Korea.

Any offer can be made about exercises, which can also be rapidly rescinded. If I’m not mistaken, the last exercise was during the four weeks in April 2018. The next exercise won’t start for quite some time so we do have time to either confirm or deny North Korea’s actions. Same goes for any discussion about the overall US military force presence. No one is leaving tomorrow. However, doing the same thing since 1953 has gotten us nowhere. NK has offered to return bodies. For folks tracking the process, that will be low hanging fruit. NK either will or they won’t and it won’t be hard to know for sure.

The bottom line is nothing will happen – ever – if we do nothing. Offers have been made based on if we see North Korean offers fulfilled. Unlike the previous 1.4 billion passed on pallets in the middle of the night, nothing has exchanged hands except a good meal. Let’s see what happens now.

For the most part, in line with the thinking of the majority of commenters.