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Germany: Ramadan Fasting Triggers Migrant Riot in Dresden

Germany: Ramadan Fasting Triggers Migrant Riot in Dresden

Asylum seekers “attacked officers by throwing lit cigarettes, then kicking and beating them,” Dresden police say

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3pb_GwqYxI&t=2s

The Islamic fasting month of Ramadan triggered a migrant riot in the German city of Dresden over the weekend, the local newspapers report. “Around 50 refugees attacked police after they attempted to stop a fight at a migrant center,” German public broadcaster Deutsche Welle confirmed.

These people “gathered and attacked officers by throwing lit cigarettes, then kicking and beating them,” Dresden police said. The fight took place in the courtyard of a refugee shelter with asylum seekers using “knifes, chairs and fire extinguishers” as weapons, a German newspaper reported. Two police officers and a security guard were injured during the riot. Additional police units were called to defuse the situation.

“There have been repeated outbreaks of violence at the refugee shelters [in Dresden]. Police claim these incidents are linked to the Muslim fasting month,” German daily Sächsiche Zeitung reported.

After the rioting in Dresden, some German news outlets came to the defense of the asylum seekers, blaming the recent wave of migrant violence on various factors, including mood swings among hungry Muslim refugees during Ramadan. Fasting “coupled with the summer heat probably increases the stress levels” among asylum seekers, argued the German newspaper Dresdener Neuste Nachrichten.

Dresdener Neuste Nachrichten covered the details of the latest riot:

Ramadan, the Islamic month of fasting, seems to be the cause behind repeated riots in the refugee admission centers located at the Hamburger and Bremer streets. Though no specific statement can be made about the background of the riots, Dresden police chief Horst Kretzschmar said that “certainly, the Ramadan appears to be the decisive [factor] behind the repeated occurrences.”

According to [the city police chief], 11 out of 31 police operation [conducted at these refugee centers] were on the account of violent offences. Ramadan fasting began on May 16 and will end on June 14. Muslims are suppose to eat only after the sunset during this period, this coupled with the summer heat probably increases the stress levels among people residing there.

The Refugee Council of Saxony [state in which Dresden is located] criticized the living conditions [at the shelter] after violence erupted on Friday. Estimated 50 asylum seekers had attacked 60 police officers in that incident. [Translation by the author]

This is the second major standoff between the refugees and German police in recent weeks. Earlier this month, some 150 migrants attacked two police patrol cars involved in enforcing a deportation order near the city of Nuremberg. The mob reportedly harassed and punched the officers, forcing them to release the deportees. “They were very aggressive and ordered us to leave the man [behind],” a police officers present at the scene told reporters.

In November 2016, two refugees, known to the public as Mohammed B and Adel D, were arrested for burning down a refugee center in the city of Dusseldorf after authorities failed to provide enough chocolate-spread Nutella, causing nearly $10 million worth of damage.

Germany has suffered from a wave of jihadi terrorism and migrant crime ever since German Chancellor Merkel opened the country’s borders to hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants in the autumn of 2015, predominantly from Arab and Muslim countries. Hundreds of refugee shelters mushrooming across the country have become a focal point for violent migrant gangs and jihadi recruitment. With Chancellor Merkel staying the course on her ill-advised open door migrant policy, Germany’s troubles are not going away anytime soon.

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Maybe it’s just me but I would say rioters automatically do not receive asylum. But I also tend to think that people who attack police with weapons can not expect to survive the encounter.

Maybe they do things different in Germany.

And some genius in Germany allegedly wants to hire from this pool of miscreants to drive commercial trucks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/8mxrzw/germany_will_now_train_refugees_to_be_truck/

–on another note, why does the article in Dresdener Neuste Nachrichten blame the violence on fasting, instead of the incitement to riot by the muslim preachers?

Riots are not limited to Ramadan: they are also a regular Friday-night-after-mosque feature in Muslim communities all over the world, including Egypt and France.

. Ramadan fasting began on May 16 and will end on July 14.

June 14. (That’s your mistake in translation; the Nachrichten has it correctly.)

The article does not blame fasting for the riots, but explains why riots are more likely to happen when people are fasting and hot and therefore more likely to snap at the least (real or imagined) provocation. This should be obvious. It should also be obvious that this doesn’t excuse it.

    DaveGinOly in reply to Milhouse. | May 29, 2018 at 3:33 pm

    I see.

    Heightened religious fervor during Islam’s holiest month doesn’t figure into it, I guess.

      Milhouse in reply to DaveGinOly. | May 29, 2018 at 5:26 pm

      Have you ever fasted all day, on a hot day, even once, let alone for going on two weeks now? If you had, you’d know what I’m talking about. It is a simple physiological fact that tempers fray, and people are readier to snap, and this is sufficient to explain why someone would go off at a trigger that would not set him off when he was not so hungry, thirsty and tired. Just visit any shul towards evening this coming July 1st or 22nd and you’ll see what I mean.

      Of course to explain something is not at all the same as to excuse it. But pretending the explanation doesn’t exist is stupid.

        Valerie in reply to Milhouse. | May 29, 2018 at 6:18 pm

        It is stupid to pretend that the overriding consideration is fasting, when rioting is on the menu.

        randian in reply to Milhouse. | May 29, 2018 at 7:10 pm

        “Have you ever fasted all day, on a hot day, even once, let alone for going on two weeks now?”

        Muslims eat about twice as much during Ramadan as they do during other times of the year, going by food production statistics. They are not by any reasonable definition “fasting”.

          Milhouse in reply to randian. | May 29, 2018 at 7:15 pm

          Spoken by someone who has never fasted a day in his life. No matter how much you eat before and after the fast, the fast itself is taxing, especially in summer when the day is both long and hot. Ask any Jew or Moslem. And to do it every day for a month? I can’t imagine it. I know Moslems tell me they can’t imagine doing the 25-hour fasts of Yom Kippur and Tish’a B’Av, and think Ramadan is a blast by comparison, but they’re only two days a year, not 30 in a row. The other Jewish fast days are dawn-to-dusk, like the Moslem ones, and they’re spread through the year, not all in a row. And the Jewish calendar is linked to the seasons, so you don’t have days rotating through the seasons like the Moslem calendar does.

          JoeyFalconi1 in reply to randian. | May 30, 2018 at 11:07 am

          I guess I just don’t understand why fasting automatically leads to violence. As noted, Jews fast too. I haven’t heard of Jews leaving their synagogues after Yom Kippur and bashing the police. Have you?

          Milhouse in reply to randian. | May 30, 2018 at 8:19 pm

          Nobody has suggested that fasting automatically leads to violence. Nobody. You and others here are making up a straw man in order to bash it, and it’s thoroughly dishonest of you.

          But visit any shul towards the end of a long fast day, and you will see people with very short fuses. Don’t start up with them.

        MSO in reply to Milhouse. | May 29, 2018 at 8:40 pm

        Intermittent fasting (IF) is a very successful weight loss program. The idea is to avoid eating for 16 hours at a stretch. A secondary goal is to increase calories from fats and to reduce calories from carbs.

        Of course, the 16 hours usually cover the hours of 8 PM to 12 Noon instead of dawn to dusk, but dawn to noon is pretty tough stretch. Especially when the IF is combined with a strenuous exercise program.

          Milhouse in reply to MSO. | May 29, 2018 at 9:12 pm

          But this so-called “fast” does not include no drinking, does it? That is a huge difference.

        DaveGinOly in reply to Milhouse. | May 29, 2018 at 10:11 pm

        I was a scout in the US Army. I have gone two or three days without food (and little to drink) in training exercises. I’ve gone longer with very little to eat and have run out of food during extended (solo) mountaineering adventures. I don’t need anyone to tell me what “fasting” is like, especially enforced fasting while exerting oneself to extremes.

          Milhouse in reply to DaveGinOly. | May 29, 2018 at 10:23 pm

          There’s a big difference between little to eat and nothing to eat. More to the point, what was your self-control at the end of that? How much would it have taken to set you off, compared to your normal state? How much pushing to make you bite someone’s head off instead of moving away as you might normally do?

        DaveGinOly in reply to Milhouse. | May 29, 2018 at 10:13 pm

        Pretending (as the German authorities are doing) that religious fervor has nothing to do with the refugees’ state of agitation is what’s stupid.

        InEssence in reply to Milhouse. | May 29, 2018 at 11:10 pm

        I fast more than the Ramadan fast every day. I can assure it is nothing.

        A good Muslim is supposed to get his jihad up during the Ramadan. These guys are just trying to be pious.

        Try reading a little about Islam. You will see it.

          Milhouse in reply to InEssence. | May 30, 2018 at 9:07 am

          I fast more than the Ramadan fast every day. I can assure it is nothing.

          And I’m calling you a liar.

    JoeyFalconi1 in reply to Milhouse. | May 30, 2018 at 11:16 am

    OK, let’s say that you are correct. That during Ramadan, Muslims are “likely” to attack, kick and beat police officers with “knifes, chairs and fire extinguishers” as weapons. And if they attack civilians too, is that understandable? Howabout rape? Murder? It seems that Western Society is reaching a tipping point. Resist or comply.

      Milhouse in reply to JoeyFalconi1. | May 30, 2018 at 8:21 pm

      How many times must one make the perfectly obvious point that explaining something does not excuse it? Nobody is excusing the violence on the grounds of fasting. And nobody is claiming that the fasting makes the violence inevitable. You are inventing those claims, and then feeling good about refuting them.

    Semper Why in reply to Milhouse. | May 30, 2018 at 1:36 pm

    I would think that any examination of the subject would include the baseline figure. Namely, “how likely is this group of people likely to riot without the added pressure of fasting on their body?”

    Hell, for all we know this is just the normal level of immigrant rioting.

    murkyv in reply to Milhouse. | May 30, 2018 at 5:47 pm

    I rarely eat the one meal I eat a day before sunset.

    I’m no grumpier than I was when I was eating more often.

Juba Doobai! | May 29, 2018 at 1:33 pm

Don’t Jews fast? I know Christians do. I certainly do. Yet, we’ve never beaten anyone or rioted whilst fasting.

The problem is Islam and Moslems.

    Milhouse in reply to Juba Doobai!. | May 29, 2018 at 5:34 pm

    What Christians call “fasting” is a joke. Jews do fast, but not a month in a row. This July 1st will be a fast day, from dawn to dusk, and then the 22nd will be a fast from sunset on the 21st until dusk on the 22nd. In the northern hemisphere, where the days are long and hot, tempers are likely to be short by the end of it. If something sets people off at that time, this would be a factor. Now imagine that every day for two weeks, with another two weeks to go. It goes towards explaining what happened. It does not at all excuse it.

      tarheelkate in reply to Milhouse. | May 29, 2018 at 9:46 pm

      Coptic Christians fast from dawn to dusk, including no water, for the forty days of Lent. Unlike the Muslim Ramadan fast, the Copts do not feast all night. They eat simple, meat-free meals in the evenings. I believe other Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Christians fast much more than Western Christians do, in recent centuries, anyhow.

        Milhouse in reply to tarheelkate. | May 29, 2018 at 10:26 pm

        “Coptic Christians fast from dawn to dusk, including no water, for the forty days of Lent. ”

        Wow. My hat’s figuratively off to them. I don’t think I could do it. At least Lent’s always in the late (northern) winter, so the days aren’t too long and the weather’s not too hot.

          tarheelkate in reply to Milhouse. | May 30, 2018 at 8:02 am

          It’s not necessarily cool in Egypt in March and April.

          Also, the Copts do not fast ostentatiously, nor demand that others around them change because they are fasting, as the Muslims do.

Vijeta Uniyal | May 29, 2018 at 1:33 pm

Thank you for correcting the Ramadan dates. I really appreciate readers’ comments and corrections.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | May 29, 2018 at 1:37 pm

What a Lie.

“Islamic fasting month of Ramadan” is no fast at all since the stuff themselves nightly.

“The fight took place in the courtyard of a refugee shelter with asylum seekers using “knifes, chairs and fire extinguishers” as weapons, a German newspaper reported.”

Mutter Merkel to ban knives, chairs, and fire extiguishers by this weekend. Oh, and cigarettes, too.

Those items are the true problem, you see.

This has to be a lie. This is the religion of peace and a holy month. Those racist Germans must have assaulted the Muslims then blamed them for defending themselves.

    Geologist in reply to forksdad. | May 29, 2018 at 3:45 pm

    You are correct. Islam is a religion of peace, and fighting during Ramadan is forbidden except in self-defense. Ergo, these riots were self-defense on the part of the Muslims. Bad Germans, forcing the Muslims to defend themselves during Ramadan.

      4th armored div in reply to Geologist. | May 29, 2018 at 4:31 pm

      1-‘religion’ of pieces and the month of Ram – a – dan, poor, poor, dan being rammed each year. can he survive ?

      ‘=) :-<

    JoeyFalconi1 in reply to forksdad. | May 30, 2018 at 11:27 am

    In 2017, ISIS instructed all believers to launch an “all-out war” on the West for Ramadan in the wake of the Manchester bomb attack.

they should have “defused” the situation with frag & WP grenades…

that would take care of the issue once and for all.

The poor utes are just a little Hangry. They “Ordered” police to leave the two suspects? These suspects wanted for $10 million in damages over lack of Nutella? That is nuts.

Need to crack down hard to establish law, order, respect, and assimilation. If they attack with weapons, use weapons in self defense. Mandatory deportation for any infraction.

Merkel’s mandatory multicultural enrichment is a massive mistake. When in a hole, stop digging.

Maybe they didn’t like the food that wasn’t being served during the day.

VaGentleman | May 29, 2018 at 3:48 pm

This will end when the refugee centers are built in the enclaves the elites occupy.

What a joke. “Fasting requires the abstinence from food, drink and sexual activity from dawn to sunset.” So they can gorge themselves and rape young boys all night long then?

    DaveGinOly in reply to snopercod. | May 29, 2018 at 10:19 pm

    This isn’t really “fasting.” It’s just not eating for a few hours every day, which everyone does to a greater or lesser extant every day. If you take in the necessary calories during the hours that food is permitted, this is just an exercise in a small amount of will-power and self-control.

      Milhouse in reply to DaveGinOly. | May 29, 2018 at 10:32 pm

      BS. It’s not “a few hours”, and it has little to do with calories. 18 hours of no eating and no drinking, oh, and no smoking either, for those who would do so to calm their nerves and their stomaches. Not just once but every day for a month.

Paul Compton | May 29, 2018 at 6:48 pm

Milhouse: “What Christians call “fasting” is a joke. Jews do fast, but not a month in a row.”

For Christians and Jews fasting is not so formalised as for Islam and so it is practiced in many different ways. For Christians it is typically to not eat from after dinner on the first night through to breakfast 36ish hours later. Occasionally the fast may be extended for two or three days but this is rare – I imagine.

During Ramadan, meals are eaten each morning before dawn and after sunset; so lets say 16 hours between meals. Honestly Milhouse, Muslims who find out that Christians go to bed hungry when fasting are shocked.

Personally I consider that using fasting as any sort of excuse or justification for rioting is pathetic, and describing ‘what Christians call fasting’ as a joke whilst justifying the former is ludicrous.

Paul.

    Jackie in reply to Paul Compton. | May 29, 2018 at 7:15 pm

    You have it exactly right. Muslims eat before dawn and after sunset. Nobody is hungry very long and they eat extra to get by the hours they fast. The German Police are terrified by Muslims, because they have no government backing.

      Milhouse in reply to Jackie. | May 29, 2018 at 7:39 pm

      Nobody is hungry very long? In Dresden today the fast started at 2:40am, and ended at 8:58pm. You try fasting (no eating or drinking) for 18 hours straight, in 26°C, and then report on how easy it is.

      BTW my secret is Gatorade. I down at least a 1 liter bottle of it in the two hours before the fast begins.

        DaveGinOly in reply to Milhouse. | May 29, 2018 at 10:26 pm

        Aside from rioting, how many calories do you think they need during the day? I imagine that they spend most of the time just laying about, whether they’re fasting or not.

        Ramadan (and the fasting that accompanies it) is just an excuse for what they do in refugee camps regularly – make trouble. Next month the excuse will be different – a call to action by a mullah, a day of rage, internecine squabbling, the anniversary of a historical slight (real or imagined) against Islam, etc.

        JoeyFalconi1 in reply to Milhouse. | May 30, 2018 at 11:30 am

        So eating food during the holiday is prohibited. Is violence prohibited too? War? Rape?

        Semper Why in reply to Milhouse. | May 30, 2018 at 2:24 pm

        Why did the fasting begin at 2:40 AM? Surely dawn is some time away that early in the morning.

    Milhouse in reply to Paul Compton. | May 29, 2018 at 7:17 pm

    Since when does Christian fasting involve not eating at all, let alone not drinking? As far as I know the Christian idea of fasting is to eat less, to avoid certain foods, but not to literally eat and drink nothing at all.

It’s nothing really, just the annual Ramadan mayhem that happens all over the world this time of year. Nothing to see here, move on. /s

    Milhouse in reply to Sonnys Mom. | May 29, 2018 at 9:18 pm

    But it doesn’t happen all over the world, every year. There are many places where an entire Ramadan can go by with no violence. So it’s not an inherent feature. Fast-induced short tempers can explain why people are more likely to go off at that time, but not only doesn’t it absolve the rioters, it also doesn’t explain what triggered them.

    Similarly a dry summer can explain why a fire that some other time might not be so bad turned into a disaster, but it doesn’t explain how it started.

      DaveGinOly in reply to Milhouse. | May 29, 2018 at 10:37 pm

      Violence goes on during Ramadan wherever Muslims are in contact with people they consider “infidels” (including other Muslims). If it doesn’t happen somewhere it’s because the nation/city/society is Muslim and homogeneous. This doesn’t mean they’re peaceful, it could just mean that they don’t have anyone at whom to lash out.
      https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pow/Ramadan-Bombathon-2018.jpg?14

        Milhouse in reply to DaveGinOly. | May 30, 2018 at 9:15 am

        Violence goes on during Ramadan wherever Muslims are in contact with people they consider “infidels” (including other Muslims). If it doesn’t happen somewhere it’s because the nation/city/society is Muslim and homogeneous.

        That is an outright and obvious lie. When’s the last time you saw Ramadan violence where you live? When was the last Ramadan riot anywhere in the USA?

tarheelkate | May 29, 2018 at 9:54 pm

I didn’t see riots in Ramadan when I lived in Egypt, but I definitely advise not being out in traffic in Ramadan in the summer as dusk approaches when all the drivers have been without food, drink, and cigarettes since dawn.

There are real problems when people who ought not to fast try to do it. Pregnant women fast and cause damage to their infants. My husband had a diabetic employee who tried to fast and nearly caused his own death.

    Semper Why in reply to tarheelkate. | May 30, 2018 at 2:25 pm

    IIRC, Islam has specific exceptions for people whom would be harmed by fasting. Pregnant mothers are specifically mentioned.

Germany recovered from WWI, they recovered after Hitler, they recovered after having part of their nation controlled by Communists for a generation.

After all of that, Germany was still Germany.

They will not recover from what Merkel has done.

She has done permanent damage to her country, far worse than everything, combined, that happened in the 20th Century.

harleycowboy | May 30, 2018 at 8:51 am

I’ve gone three days without eating. It’s a mental thing. No big deal. Dawn to dusk is taxing? Hah!

Milhouse, you enjoy playing the Devil’s Advocate too much.

Christian fasting, not just giving up something for lent as the Catholics do, involves no food. Yes, we drink water. So what? The Ramadan fast has nothing to do with the migrants and their ill temper. They are already contemptuous of native Germans.

And sunrise is at 2:40 in the morning? Where did you get that time? Tomorrow it’s at 4:56 am

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/germany/dresden

    Milhouse in reply to RedEchos. | May 31, 2018 at 4:19 pm

    Christian fasting, not just giving up something for lent as the Catholics do, involves no food. Yes, we drink water. So what?

    The very fact that you ask that shows that you have absolutely no understanding of the subject. If you drink water you’re not fasting, and don’t understand what fasting is like. Water makes all the difference.

    And what’s sunrise got to do with it? The fast does not begin at sunrise, it begins at dawn. Dawn in Dresden at this time of year is at 2:40 in the morning, if not earlier. Looking it up, today astronomical dawn was at 12:52 (i.e. the sun never got 18° below the horizon); nautical dawn (12°) was at 3:00.

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