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Nunes: No, Schiff’s Memo Doesn’t Change Anything in My Memo

Nunes: No, Schiff’s Memo Doesn’t Change Anything in My Memo

Conclusion? Release ALL the documents.

You know, I’m really starting to see this as a power struggle. Nunes and Schiff are just trying to outdo each other. The memo wars have become more about who can come out on top rather than an effort to expose the truth. But I digress.

House Intelligence Ranking Member Adam Schiff (D-CA) released his memo Sunday and claimed it refuted the memo released by  Chairman Devin Nunes (R-CA). Of course, it took no time for Nunes to refute Schiff’s memo, leading Schiff to release his own fact sheet. (See what I mean? They both want the last word.)

Background: Nunes released his memo earlier this month that alleged the FBI used the disputed dossier on then-presidential candidate Donald Trump, authored by Christopher Steele, to receive a warrant to spy on Trump’s former campaign member Carter Page.

Schiff released his memo this weekend that he claims counters Nunes’ memo, but it confirmed the main point of the GOP memo…that the officials used information from the unverified source to get that warrant. There were also some other agreements with the GOP memo.

But the power struggle between these two continues because there are parts of  Nunes’ memo that remain unclear. Here are the main refutations Nunes provided:

https://www.scribd.com/document/372311953/GOP-Rebuttal-to-Dem-Rebuttal-memo#

Honestly, I don’t care how much information they used. The fact is they used information from an unverified dossier that even former FBI Director James Comey called salacious to get a warrant to spy on a U.S. citizen.

https://www.scribd.com/document/372311953/GOP-Rebuttal-to-Dem-Rebuttal-memo#

https://www.scribd.com/document/372311953/GOP-Rebuttal-to-Dem-Rebuttal-memo#

Here is the entire response from Nunes:

GOP Rebuttal to Dem Rebuttal memo by Danny Chaitin on Scribd

Schiff couldn’t let Nunes end this whole discussion:

Dem Fact Sheet Memo by Danny Chaitin on Scribd

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The memo wars have become more about who can come out on top rather than an effort to expose the truth.” Exactly. Enough of these games. Until Hillary, Comey, and several others are given the perp walk, all these memo wars amount to is a spat among factions of an elite that couldn’t care less about the Rule of Law.

Schiff’s memo was a total bust, simply because of the timing, if nothing else. First, it was delayed 4 weeks – to have any effect, it needed to come out at the same time as the Nunes memo, but Schiff thought he could block that one so he didn’t start writing his until the Nunes memo was already finished. 2nd, Saturday Afternoon release? Pathetic – he may have been aiming for the Sunday talk shows, but the shooting and the Broward Coward erased that. And 3rd, there was nothing in that memo that hadn’t already been said and that we didn’t already no. (contra the Nunes memo which confirmed that the Dossier was relied on by the FBI when they applied for a warrant)

So 3 strikes, and it adds up to a colossal waste of effort with no impact at all on the situation.

Release everything (after NECESSARY redaction to protect actual national security interests)!

Investigate all the things. Expose and prosecute as warranted. No favors, no politics (either inclined to forebear or aggress) regardless of current or former office.

Nunes and Schiff are just trying to outdo each other.

This characterization is wrong. Nunes IS on top. Nunes has the facts and Schiff is squirming like a snake trying and failing to cover his corrupted self. To equate them, to put them on equal footing is flatly wrong.

Mary Chastain: Honestly, I don’t care how much information they used. The fact is they used information from an unverified dossier that even former FBI Director James Comey called salacious to get a warrant to spy on a U.S. citizen.

Um, no. Comey said some of the content of the dossier was “salacious and unverified”. He did not say all of it was. That wouldn’t even make sense, as salacious only refers to content that “treats sexual matters in an indecent way”.

    Petrushka in reply to Zachriel. | February 26, 2018 at 9:54 am

    The document is worthless. it is hearsay citing hearsay. There are no actual sources. Just unnamed people citing people who say they have sources.

    Verified does not mean true. It means someone has tracked down an actual witness who is making an allegation.

    Also, Paige was a paid FBI informant who participated in a criminal prosecution. No one needed a warrant to wiretap him. He was a volunteer.

      Ragspierre in reply to Petrushka. | February 26, 2018 at 10:02 am

      Not one of your conclusions is true.

      Milhouse in reply to Petrushka. | February 26, 2018 at 10:33 am

      Also, Paige was a paid FBI informant who participated in a criminal prosecution. No one needed a warrant to wiretap him. He was a volunteer.

      That is a lie, invented out of whole cloth by the Nuthouse.

      Milhouse in reply to Petrushka. | February 26, 2018 at 10:34 am

      Also, Paige was a paid FBI informant who participated in a criminal prosecution. No one needed a warrant to wiretap him. He was a volunteer.

      That is a lie, invented out of whole cloth by the Nuthouse. (Excuse me. The Nuthouse went even further and claimed he was an FBI employee. You’re moderating that to paid informant. But there is no evidence at all for either claim.)

        MarkSmith in reply to Milhouse. | February 26, 2018 at 11:48 am

        Ya, I don’t think Saraya-Jade Bevis is a paid FBI informant.

        But from a more Liberal publication that Milhouse can relate to about Carter:

        “In an FBI transcript of Podobnyy discussing Page with a fellow SVR officer in April of 2013, he calls Page an “idiot,” but somebody who the Russians could work with because of his “enthusiasm” and desire “to earn lots of money.”

        http://www.newsweek.com/was-carter-page-spy-russians-or-us-802770

        Sounds like Page was an wanted to be an informant. I bet a little digging will link him to Orr’s wife.

The best description I’ve seen so far is “The Schiff memo does a good job of refuting allegations that Nunes never made, and an excellent job of confirming allegations that it did.”

Memos don’t matter. Indictments matter. Prison sentences matter. Without those, the rest is just bad theater.

    American Human in reply to irv. | February 26, 2018 at 10:00 am

    Yo Irv, I agree. Until a person or people are held to account this is all just grandstanding and a lot of hot wind amounting to nothing.
    I cynically predict that no one will ever be held to account for any of this. Massive fraud and corruption in an Administration never before seen in this country and Congress, DoJ, and the media will eventually just shrug it all away. In the meantime only people such as you and me would face any type of criminal investigations.
    The Teapot Dome scandal and Watergate are mere “Rolling through a stop sign” type crimes compared to this.

Bottom line is that with the evidence provided in Nunes AND Shiff-for-brains’ memo that the FBI and DOJ committed a fraud upon the court. When will they be held accountable?

Flynn is under indictment for (supposedly) lying to the FBI. Hillary did the same without consequence.

Comey lied to Congress and leaked classified material. When will he be held accountable.

Where is the DOJ IG investigation that was supposed to be completed in January?

Where in the hell is our vaunted AG who supposedly loves the rule of law???

I want to know what the FISA judge who issued the warrant was thinking. Even if the judge believed the FBI’s lie that Steele was completely trustworthy, none of the information he supplied was from his own knowledge, so how could it justify a warrant? I’d like Nunes to subpoena the judge to testify (in executive session if necessary) on exactly why s/he concluded that probable cause existed. What information s/he was given, how s/he understood that information, what conclusions s/he drew from it, etc. That’s the only way to really get to the bottom of this.

    Milhouse: how could it justify a warrant?

    Purportedly, there was independent corroboration.

    Milhouse: I’d like Nunes to subpoena the judge to testify (in executive session if necessary)

    With a closed session, we would end up with what we already have — disputed accounts. An open session would threaten the investigations and sources.

Dueling memos. One is shooting blank pages. Wait until they pull out the big guns, and begin releasing their notes about their memos.

The Republican plan here is to keep the issue of illegal surveillance of the Trump campaign alive. The Congressional investigations are being run merely to keep smoke in the air. There has been NO testimony before any of the investigating committees for several months now. The real fire is all within the DOJ IG’s investigation. So far, that has resulted in several demotions and two resignations.

When the IG’s investigation is released, it will clearly support the claims that a small group of very high ranking members of the DOJ/FBI used their positions to conduct unwarranted surveillance on the campaign of the opposition party’s candidate for President. It will further show this same group of people actively protected the Democrat presidential candidate from criminal charges. And, it will show that members of the Obama Administration were aware of this, to the highest level.

What this will all lead to is still unknown.

Just saw this over at Breitbart about Jon Winer

“Winer further acknowledged that while at the State Department, he shared anti-Trump material with Steele passed to him by longtime Clinton confidant Sidney Blumenthal, whom Winer described as an “old friend.” Winer wrote that the material from Blumenthal – which Winer in turn gave to Steele – originated with Cody Shearer, who is a controversial figure long tied to various Clinton scandals.”

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2018/02/26/jonathan-winer-chris-steeles-inside-man-state-dept-exec-firm-working-clinton-global-initiative/

It is starting to look more like an effort to cover to avoid the Clinton Foundation trangressions.

Follow the money.

From Andrew C. McCarthy:

“The FBI Interviews of Carter Page
In the course of providing a skewed portrait of Carter Page’s background, the Schiff memo unintentionally highlights another deep flaw in the warrant application.

The memo limns Page as a master spy with disturbing “connections to Russian Government and Intelligence Officials” — which will be amusing to anyone who has seen an interview of Page, now a ubiquitous oddball media presence. What Democrats conveniently omit is that (a) Page cooperated with the FBI and Justice Department in a prior investigation in which his information was used to prosecute Russian spies; (b) the Russian spies explicitly regarded him as an “idiot” (and they had not even seen him on cable TV); and (c) since Russian operatives can be as diabolical and sophisticated as the Democrats suggest, they would have known that Page did not have the kind of relationship with Trump that would have made Page a suitable conduit for proposing traitorous deals — and as we’ve seen, the Russians had far better ways to approach Trump (e.g., the Kremlin-connected oligarch Aras Agalarov, who had a personal relationship with Trump and orchestrated the infamous June 2016 Trump Tower meeting).

The memo does note that “the FBI also interviewed Page multiple times about his Russian intelligence contacts.” Apparently, these interviews stretch back to 2013. The memo also lets slip that there was at least one more interview with Page in March 2016, before the counterintelligence investigation began. We must assume that Page was a truthful informant since his information was used in a prosecution against Russian spies and Page himself has never been accused of lying to the FBI.

Why didn’t the FBI call Page in for an interview rather than subject him to FISA surveillance? It is a requirement of FISA law.

So . . . here’s the question: When Steele brought the FBI his unverified allegations that Page had met with Sechin and Divyekin, why didn’t the FBI call Page in for an interview rather than subject him to FISA surveillance? Lest you wonder, this is not an instance of me second-guessing the Bureau with an investigative plan I think would have been better. It is a requirement of FISA law.

When the FBI and DOJ apply for a FISA warrant, they must convince the court that surveillance — a highly intrusive tactic by which the government monitors all of an American citizen’s electronic communications — is necessary because the foreign-intelligence information the government seeks “cannot reasonably be obtained by normal investigative techniques.” (See FISA, Section 1804(a)(6)(C) of Title 50, U.S. Code.) Normal investigative techniques include interviewing the subject. There are, of course, situations in which such alternative investigative techniques would inevitably fail — a mafia don or a jihadist is not likely to sit down with FBI agents and tell them everything he knows. But Carter Page was not only likely to do so, he had a documented history of providing information to the FBI.

It would be very interesting to see what the DOJ told the FISA court about why normal investigative techniques would not suffice to pry information from Page. They certainly seem to work fine for Fox News.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/schiff-memo-russia-investigation-harms-democrats-more-than-helps-them/

    MarkSmith in reply to wotan92. | February 26, 2018 at 1:49 pm

    Yep, agree. I think either Page was connected to the scheme team and the FISA was just a CYA. Page fits the same model as Steele. Russian connection. Since Nellie Orr also had that connection, I wonder what the relationship is between the three of them.

    Nellie’s sister’s husband (Delano DuGarm) is also has a Russian connection:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=S_x7Za0ffUsC&pg=PA177&lpg=PA177&dq=Delano+DuGarm&source=bl&ots=Lm4r9u1ho6&sig=sF1OKNJl8tkoBVpvJ7BW_s86-N8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjslqfRlMTZAhUxm-AKHS4hCCEQ6AEIUzAI#v=onepage&q=Delano%20DuGarm&f=false

    Interesting is Nellie’s parents. There seems to be a connection with Kenya and Kathleen A. Hauke (Nellie’s mother) focus on Langston Hughes.

    “Hughes, like many black writers and artists of his time, was drawn to the promise of Communism as an alternative to a segregated America. Many of his lesser-known political writings have been collected in two volumes published by the University of Missouri Press and reflect his attraction to Communism.”

    https://webarchives.apps.uri.edu/xml/msg68.xml

    If anything, the Russian collusion is looking more like a link between and Nellie’s upbringing by Kathleen Hauke.

    Something interesting, Kathleen work seems to be focused on race equality, CANE (Citizens to Advance Negro Education).

    “….Both couples adopted mixed-race children in 1968 and were founding members of the Rhode Island Families for Inter-Racial Adoption.”

    I know it is a leap, but Russian/Kenya connection….hmm

(See what I mean? They both want the last word.)

So, you figure the Republicans should just fold up and allow Schiff’s flimsy BS to be the “last word”? That sounds like a losing tactic to me. The Republican party exists to fight the D’rats, not to shrug and say “oh, all right …” when dealing with their crimes.

Personally, I’d much prefer that the R’s do their jobs, rather than that they surrender as usual.

My mind cannot get past the fact that the FISA warrant against Page was presented to three separate Republican-appointed FISC judges who obviously found nothing inappropriate about the warrant applications. Additionally, the last two judges had to have been shown evidence of Carter communications that were somehow new evidence damning Carter Page and potentially others.

So McCarthy is leaning too heavy on the Republican view that we need to get to Hillary than the just-as-likely scenario that this whole thing is a diversion to protect Trump from his history of operating outside the law – which is why they fear Robert Mueller.

Top Republicans on Capitol Hill have made a concerted decisions in their Russia inquiries: They are staying away from digging into the finances of President Donald Trump and his family.

Six Republican leaders of key committees told CNN they see little reason to pursue those lines of inquiry or made no commitments to do so — even as Democrats say determining whether there was a financial link between Trump, his family, his business and Russians is essential to understanding whether there was any collusion in the 2016 elections.

Republicans have resisted calls to issue subpoenas for bank records, seeking Trump’s tax returns or sending letters to witnesses to determine whether there were any Trump financial links to Russian actors — calling the push nothing more than a Democratic fishing expedition.

gad-fly > 1) Why didn’t the FBI interview Carter Page as required by law? (per McCarthy); 2)FISC Judge Contreras has been removed” from the case presentencing and Judge Sullivan has demanded that all exculpatory evidence be turned over to him from Mueller – obviously some legal beagle of power suspects inappropriateness; 3) “the last two judges had to have been shown … new evidence damning Carter Page….” – Given the already known omissions of relevant facts and circumstances not submitted to the FISC at the time of the successful application and the two prior unsuccessful attempts to obtain the FISA warrant, I can’t believe that anything is “obvious” here.

Lastly the segue to Trump’s “history of operating outside the law” as the reason for the investigation seems to be silly – what evidence is there? Convictions? Charges? Nothing criminal . Maybe some civil issues that have been resolved.

So tell me, did Comey receive his JD at Trump U. and now wants a refund plus interest for a deficient law school ed? A bit of a stretch there.

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