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Roy Moore Continues to Deny Sexual Misconduct Allegations

Roy Moore Continues to Deny Sexual Misconduct Allegations

“The allegations are completely false. I believe they’re politically motivated.”

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Embattled Alabama Republican Senate Candidate joined Sean Hannity’s radio show Friday to defend himself against allegations that he had improper relationships with girls as young as 14 when he was in his thirties.

Four women now have come forward alleging Moore came on to them while they were still teenagers. On Hannity’s show, Moore admitted to knowing two of his accusers, saying he remembers being friends with one, but does not remember if they dated.

Moore maintains the allegations were concocted to bring down his Senate campaign. Before the allegations broke, Moore led his Democratic opponent by 9 percentage points.

Interview here:

Some are demanding Moore step aside based on the allegations:

He’s rapidly losing endorsements, with Sen. Lee being the latest to withdraw support:

And others are coming to Moore’s defense:

So what happens next? What if Moore continues fighting the allegations and refuses to step down? And what if Alabama Republicans pull him? Alabama’s Governor has broad discretion in such matters and can reschedule the election. From the NYT:

One approach that Republicans are considering, according to people briefed on the deliberations, would involve asking Gov. Kay Ivey to order a new date for the election, scheduling it for early next year and giving the party time to persuade Mr. Moore to withdraw, or force him out of the race.

Alabama election law requires candidates to withdraw at least 76 days before an election in order to be replaced on the ballot, a deadline Mr. Moore has already missed.

State law gives the governor broad authority to set the date of special elections, and Ms. Ivey, who is a Republican, already rescheduled the Senate election once, after inheriting the governor’s office in April when her predecessor, Robert Bentley, resigned in a sex and corruption scandal. Ms. Ivey’s advisers have not ruled out exercising that power again, according to Republicans in touch with her camp, but she has signaled that she would like reassurances of support from the White House before taking any such step.

A spokesman for the governor did not reply to an email asking about her intentions.

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“Which strikes you as more plausible: that Roy Moore did what those women claim, or that all four, not knowing each other, all spontaneously made up similar stories when the Post knocked on their door?”

False dichotomy. Option #3:
Either the Dems and/or GOPe found 4 women willing to smear Moore for money/fame/partisan advantage. Personally, I’m leaning towards the GOPe as the guilty party.

Showing up on my Facebook feed just before this: https://70news.wordpress.com/2017/11/10/roy-moores-two-accusers-leigh-corfmans-age-was-17-not-14-has-history-of-making-false-allegations-deborah-gibson-a-dem-volunteer/

Of course, anyone can post anything on the internet about anything. But as recent history has shown us, newspapers can publish anything about anyone, and have. Rolling Stone magazine and the UVA frat come to mind. If half of what’s in that is true, WAPO better be prepping their lawyers because reckless disregard for the truth is, I believe, grounds for a public figure to sue for libel.

    AmandaFitz in reply to gospace. | November 11, 2017 at 9:35 am

    Moore is being “NIFONGED!”

    Duke Lacrosse Hoax, U. Va. Rape Hoax, Mattress Girl, etc. ad nauseam.

    Remember Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska? His decades of service were destroyed by FALSE charges a Democrat-politicized DOJ brought against him, and Obama was able to get his SIXTIETH Senator. Think any of this is happenstance? The swamp (both parties) is desperate to destroy Trump and anyone who supports him.

ScottTheEngineer | November 10, 2017 at 6:27 pm

When he was in his 30’s? How old is he now?
Seems it took the post a long time to knock on their doors.
Knock…Knock.. “Hi, have you been molested by Roy Moore?” “No?”… “Ok, we’ll try next-door.”

Dems batting average of destroying GOP candidates with false accusations is damn good. It’s practically their go-to.

Paging Anita Hill, page Anita Hill.

Dems have been known to use it on their own… as in the Seattle mayor (who had been in the public and political eye for some time) suddenly got the Kevin Spacey treatment.

Wow! What a crass, obvious hit-job!
Can’t believe Mike Lee buys that story, JUST LIKE THAT!
and this,after WAPO, et al, have demonstrated their partisam Demokrat zeal with plenty of fake-stories for years!
I hope judge More will stay the course, and show them!

I am appalled at the actions of the GOPe regarding these allegations.

“I believe they’re politically motivated.”

Ya think?

Did ya see how fast the piling on happened shortly after this story broke. I was surprised that McConnell didn’t twist his ankle given his speed to a microphone.

First, we are in the era of #MeToo, and known collusion between the mainstream press and Democratic operatives, which should preclude the opportunity to hold a trial by press.

Second, American conservatives are not Pro-Choice, which means Americans respect the constitutional presumption of innocence and the right to due process.

That said, Moore needs to continue confronting his accusers, and their publicists directly, and bring them out into the open. If it can be established that he is guilty, then his campaign (or perhaps the person) may be deemed unviable and aborted. However, if his accusers, and their publicists, are casting aspersions, then they should be held accountable under the terms they have established.

Moore needs to either follow Trump’s lead and force a cross-examination or cede the ground and make amends.

Well I just sent the Judge a few more bucks. I don’t believe this crap is for real.

Option #4:

They found 3 women who had a consistent story – Moore like to date rather young women but did nothing inappropriate, and paid 1 liar to use that as cover to lie about him molesting her.

“I have no idea what really happened.”

That line is the total of the resume’ I just sent to Jeff’s Blog in hopes of getting a job as a supervising editor.

Dick Morris

How convenient for Democrats that the allegations against Roy Moore in his Alabama Senate race surfaced after the Republican primary and after the deadline had passed to put a new candidate on the ballot. The 48-year-old charges come from a woman with three divorces and three bankruptcies. And only after Moore has run for governor and been elected twice to be Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court.

I smell a rat.

Total political hit job. GOPe in cahoots with Democrats and media. Roy Moore has no political team that supports him. Sad. This is what other Trumpian candidates can expect as the GOP machine will do all it can to keep ” approved ” candidates running.

Think about it. You upset the GOPe crowd’s favorite, so then you find yourself up against the GOPe, the Dems and the media. The GOPe would rather lose a seat to the Dems ( elite ), than win with a populist that will not play the game in DC. Maybe I’m too cynical.

    Matt_SE in reply to RobM. | November 11, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    You’re not being too cynical. The GOPe did the same thing to Ken Cuccinelli in VA. The threw that election rather than suffer another actual conservative.

    As a result, VA got McAuliffe who helped the Charlottesville tragedy happen. The GOPe has blood on their hands, and they don’t care.

https://www.spartareport.com/2017/11/breaking-roy-moore-accuser-may-be-connected-to-democrat-senate-candidate-alabama/
One of the commenters nailed this story this morning…..nobody in the media is giving him any credit for it. Be sure to read the comments….very enlightening.

New information.

Apparently the primary accuser worked on both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden’s campaigns, and publicly supported and campaigned for Moore’s opponent, even though she doesn’t OFFICIALLY work for his campaign.

https://www.infowars.com/photos-moore-accuser-a-democrat-activist/

Yeah. This is a bullshit Democrat hit job.

smalltownoklahoman | November 10, 2017 at 9:20 pm

I don’t trust the media when it comes to stories like this anymore. Stories like this have been used to destroy popular outsider candidates before and the claims later turned out to not be true. Remember Herman Cain? Only one of those accusers stories looked like there might have been something to it but IIRC that also turned out to be nothing. But hey, left achieved it’s goal, Herman was out of the race. Thankfully he still had his radio show to fall back on and he’s doing all right with it. That whole debacle taught me to never just automatically trust the media when it comes to these kind of stories. Now I haven’t read up on all the details of the Moore story but from what I have read we seem to have shocking allegations but nothing we can use to back them up, no independently verifiable proof. It may seem harsh but when it comes to campaigns as important as this one I want something more than accusations!

IMHO this is a warning to Bannon,

OK, put aside all the tribal bs about destroying the character of the women in the story.

Who did Moore’s statements on Hannity convince he was not a man who dated teenage girls while an ADA and in his thirties? Were his statements credible? What did he admit to, albeit self-servingly?

Glenn Reynolds at Instapudit thinks the Hannity segment may have sunk Moore.

Please, don’t give me any more bs about dating teenagers not being illegal. Just answer the questions.

Finally, assume all the allegations true; would you vote for Moore anyhow?

    tarheelkate in reply to Ragspierre. | November 11, 2017 at 2:44 pm

    If they are ALL true exactly as presented, no. If only the three who say he dated them were true, yes, given the choice of a Democrat instead. It is not really very rare for a man to have a wife who is ten to twelve years younger than he. In previous generations an eight to ten year gap was the rule rather than the exception. If a single ADA was dating 17- or 18-year-olds, keeping in mind that “dating” meant the old-fashioned taking her to dinner and maybe getting a good night kiss, it’s not only not illegal, it’s not immoral. You’re thinking of the current definition of “dating” which means sexual activity. Sadly, the older innocuous “dating” has practically disappeared.

    If the fourth charge, sexual activity with a 14-year-old, is true, no, I wouldn’t vote for him. There are some apparently serious questions about whether this woman’s story is true as presented.

    If I were an Alabama voter, I’d probably have voted for Strange in the primary, given some questions about Moore related to a non-profit group, among other things. In the general, I vote for the candidate most likely to advance my preferred agenda in Congress.

    He didn’t do well in that Hannity interview, agreed. If this doesn’t settle down soon, I expect the governor will delay the election, which is within her power, to allow time to settle this and perhaps select an alternative to Moore.

      Ragspierre in reply to tarheelkate. | November 11, 2017 at 9:47 pm

      I’ll only take exception to your depiction of what I’m thinking.

      Again, if one of my sons was dating a teenager, we’d have a long, serious talk. You never responded to my query about WHY that would be appropriate, regardless of legality or any other extraneous bullshit. Why would it be simply wrong?

      I await your answer.

    MarkSmith in reply to Ragspierre. | November 11, 2017 at 9:03 pm

    “Finally, assume all the allegations true; would you vote for Moore anyhow?”

    First, you can’t assume anything unless he admits to it, which he does not. So there is not enough time to prove anything.

    As for a 32 year old man dating a 17 year old. Well when I was 17 I was dating a 30 year old women. If she was 32, I still would have went for it! She was not married.

    Even though I would not do such a thing, I would be too quick to judge something as inappropriate. I think a 32 year old kiss a 17 year old in a consensual relationship is not breaking any laws and in some place consider not inappropriate. I think the 14 year thing has been put to rest as fake news and reeks of the Duke Lactose and Virginia fraternity stories.

    Also considering that his current and only wife is 14 years younger that him, but have been married for 30+ years says a lot about his commitment to marriage. Additionally, severing in the Vietnam war, he missed out on his 20’s because he was in Vietnam instead of enjoying the sexual revolution of the late 60’s and 70’s.

    Now let us consider the Clinton’s transgression with an intern that was 23 years old and 27 years Bill Clinton junior and extra martial.

    Not justifying what is claimed, but it looks more like a fake hit piece every day.

      Ragspierre in reply to MarkSmith. | November 11, 2017 at 9:53 pm

      “First, you can’t assume anything unless he admits to it, which he does not. So there is not enough time to prove anything.”

      This is called a “hypothetical question”.

      You make the assumption for the purpose of exploring the idea. Lawyers use such questions every day at trial. Nobody implied a specific assumption regarding Moore’s actual conduct.

      The rest of your post is more apologia. “Poor ol’ Roy served in Vietnam. His sexual development was arrested”. Horseshit.

      tarheelkate in reply to MarkSmith. | November 12, 2017 at 7:36 am

      That’s a piece of information I was looking for. His wife is 14 years younger. So, when he was 30-ish, he was looking for a wife, and took a few younger women to dinner. Not long after, he married a younger woman, and has stayed married. Note that one of the women says that her mother thought Moore was a “catch” and doubtless hoped he would propose marriage — which he did, to another woman, not too long afterwards. If my daughter, age 17, were asked on a date by a 30-year-old, my concern would be that he might take sexual advantage of her. The three stories about older teenagers indicate that Moore did NOT take advantage of them.

      As I keep saying, the story about the sexual contact with a 14-year-old is in a different category, if true. Ragespierre denies that the age difference and the behavior difference between these stories are significant. One of these things is not like the others.

        Ragspierre in reply to tarheelkate. | November 12, 2017 at 8:36 am

        “So, when he was 30-ish, he was looking for a wife, and took a few younger women to dinner.”

        So, when he was in his thirties (and a person of some power in his community), and we don’t know what he was looking for, he took a series of teenagers out, including to his house. In the woods.

        Where are the women, say, five years his junior that he dated? Interesting, no?

          MarkSmith in reply to Ragspierre. | November 12, 2017 at 3:19 pm

          Jacobin Bonehead say:

          “So, when he was in his thirties (and a person of some power in his community), and we don’t know what he was looking for, he took a series of teenagers out, including to his house. In the woods.

          Where are the women, say, five years his junior that he dated? Interesting, no?”

          Cut the BS. Do you know about his house in the wood? Even been there? What happen there? If we were to take what is written as true, He stopped when told, unlike those who have fun with cigars. So far I have not read anything about his mistreatment about women except for this one questionable story which you give credit to an un-creditable story.

          As for women 5 years his junior, well looking at that time, the good ones were married, the other ones hates the guys in the military and were well ridden horses, drugged or boozed out or were were leftover from divorces looking for moneybags 3.

          Yea, I never was too happy with older guys dating younger girls but I have seen it work in many cases and they are very committed. Yea, I always thought it was a little creeping, too, but this matter has not reached that level yet. When it does, I will be the first to scream for the women and dump him. It is not even close yet.

          I think you’re just jealous because you haven’t moved out of your mothers basement.

        Ragspierre in reply to tarheelkate. | November 12, 2017 at 8:44 am

        “If my daughter, age 17, were asked on a date by a 30-year-old, my concern would be that he might take sexual advantage of her.”

        If my daughter, at any point in her teens, were asked on a date by a 30-year-old, MY concern would be that he EITHER was emotionally retarded, or PLANNED on forming a relationship where he could take every possible advantage of her.

        Think of the disparity of development between two people (normal people) at those ages.

….and so NOW it turns out that the ïnnocent” 14 year old accuser has also falsely accused 3 different pastors of sexual assault, had 3 divorces and 3 bankruptcies……AND a former Secret Service agent has claimed a neighbor of the Moores was offered $1,000 by a WashPo journalist for dirt on Judge Moore….alas for her…the neighbor recorded the conversation and has allegedly turned the tape over to the local DA, after making a copy…

This is following the script.

They think we are stupid. It’s over. O-V-E-R!!! Fusion GPS creating a fake dossier, paid for by the Hillary campaign WORKING with the Russians to destroy Trump, is the basis of a number of illegal warrants that created Mueller who is still after Trump. Did we get that right now?

And here comes the Washington Post reporter who probably couldn’t find Alabama on a map of the country and he wanders into town and finds four women from forty years ago- without help? Hardly. This is a set up. We know, they know it, and now we know they know we know.

I spent ten years visiting Alabama and intend to retire there. The people are wonderful and decent, but they will NOT just talk to condescending Yankees from DC. Nope, won’t happen. There is no way he found these women without help. Pure set up.

(Plus in Alabama in 1979 the culture was different than today. An older man “dating” a young woman with the family approval wasn’t that unusual. So if he took a 19 yr old out once or twice, and nothing happened, there is no offense. The Post intentionally conflated one story into another false story to give it legs. Fake through and through.)

Now that the story is out, the Republicans rush to try and force Moore out. First they make the fake accusation, then they demand he quit, and now they pull his money. All because they FEAR him getting into the Senate and breaking up their little playhouse.

Well frankly, I want that to happen. Yes Moore can be a firestarter. He may stand in the well of the Senate and demand they do their jobs or go home. Good for him, and if the process he burns their little playhouse down, even better.

I and many other Americans are done with this mess.

Gotta wonder now if the WAPO article is backfiring bigly. If they can’t find anyone on the street in random interviews who believes it, how many of them are being motivated to vote for Moore by the WAPO? The link is Breitbart, so have your ad-blocker on.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/11/10/alabama-abc-affiliate-cant-find-one-voter-believes-wapo-report-roy-moore-man-street-segment/

    Ragspierre in reply to gospace. | November 11, 2017 at 10:00 pm

    Wow. A man-on-the-street report compiled by T-rumpBart…!!!

    I wonder how the hell they missed this…
    https://hotair.com/archives/2017/11/11/now-roy-moore-questions-timing-wapo-story-teenaged-girls/

    Read to the end.

      MarkSmith in reply to Ragspierre. | November 12, 2017 at 5:48 pm

      That is the best you can do. Weak!

      Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | November 12, 2017 at 5:54 pm

      That has noting to do with me, or my “best”.

      It’s factual stuff. Deal with it, or just wallow in delusion. I’m not suggesting you have to take it as gospel. But you do have to deal with it. In reality. Or like you do.

        MarkSmith in reply to Ragspierre. | November 12, 2017 at 7:39 pm

        An what is the fact? Moore dated high school girls and someone thought it was creepy. Ok, sooooooooooooo what!

        Creepy is actually Roman Polanski and what he did to 14 years.

        There has been zero evidence except for one questionable accusation, but the attack crowd is known for making false accusations. I am placing bets.

        This is going to be good:

        “Roy Moore’s wife says she’s going to sue the Washington Post for ‘defamation’ over sexual abuse allegations”

        Lets look for a correction hidden on page z5 by Wapo.

        Media has not been doing too good lately with such suits.

          Ragspierre in reply to MarkSmith. | November 12, 2017 at 8:05 pm

          All predictable from you. You know, I could write your nonsense, if I wrote Ebonics and channeled Tonto.

          No, what Moore was doing was abnormal. What Polanski did was criminal. Don’t you understand the difference? I sure do.

          The former DA’s statement was what we in the law call “evidence”. It doesn’t have to be a magic bullet. It’s just part of the puzzle. You want to pretend there is no puzzle. I know there IS a puzzle, though the whole picture may not be one that condemns Moore.

          Where’s your explication of your interracial marriage comment? Please be very elaborative as to your meaning.

          Ragspierre in reply to MarkSmith. | November 12, 2017 at 8:17 pm

          “Roy Moore’s wife says…”

          No. She doesn’t say that, and she’d be insane if she did. She hasn’t been defamed. And the LAST thing anyone associated with Moore wants is to sue anyone over this story.

          Let me know when there’s a retraction from the WaPo, Alt-right bigot.

The timing of these charges makes it clear that they are politically motivated. If the charges are true, why didn’t they come out a year ago, 10 years ago, or even a few months ago, before it was too late for the Republicans to get another candidate? These charges came out at the ideal time to serve a political purpose: too late to get another candidate, and too late to investigate the charges before the election.
Remember when the old tape surfaced where Trump made some indelicate remarks? Whoever had that tape also held it until the most politically advantageous time. I see a pattern here.

Moore isn’t a Party Boy.
He ain’t give a nickle to the GOP and he didn’t come up through ranks.
They are funny about that…
Like you can burn in hell before we will help you…
Which is exactly what they told him.
He is completely outside of their control, and so, like Donald Trump..
He needs to be eliminated.
Even a Democrat is better to them, as a Party Democrat plays within the rules, and is a member.

If the Alabama polls look tight, I expect the governor to re-schedule the election.

Just a coupla thoughts on the Moore denials…

On alcohol; it’s a dry county. Please! What a weak statement! And that’s the one he led off with, IIRC.

On “mothers”; he never dated anyone without the approval of their mothers. Where were the fathers? That should raise a flag. Was he zeroed in on girls from broken families?

Washington Post & Ragspierre, always on the same page. Whoda thunk it?

Washington Post & Ragspierre, both aetheist, preaching morality. Whoda thunk it?

Same old bullshit from the WP, backed up by the same old BS from ragspierre, Mr. morality.

    Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | November 12, 2017 at 10:33 am

    “Washington Post & Ragspierre, always on the same page.”

    That’s a lie, and you’re a lying nutter.

    “Washington Post & Ragspierre, both aetheist, preaching morality.”

    That’s several lies, and you’re a lying nutter. I don’t know how a media organization is an “aetheist”, and I am not one. Anyone can be moral or not.

    “Same old bullshit from the WP, backed up by the same old BS from ragspierre…”

    Put up anything you consider “bullshit” by me. I’ve argued for exactly what T-rump has said. I’ve countered conclusory bullshit from your cult. I know you can’t stand that. STFW?

      “I don’t know how a media organization is an “aetheist”…”

      Simple enough even for you. An organization that is made up of many aetheists and are commited to an anti religion viewpoint. WP fits that description.

      Typical, WP prints BS, unprovable, and you take their side.

      You can have whatever moral code you desire. You do not determine every one elses moral code by appeals to conservatism.
      I am unable to find the conservative moral code principles you allude too as it regards age of dating. Perhaps you can define them for us.

      “and I am not one”

      I recall you making the statement you do not believe in a god. If wrong I will apologize. Am I?

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | November 12, 2017 at 6:25 pm

        Yes. Constantly. All the time.

        The Republican Party has atheists in it. Is the Republican Party “atheist”? Support your WaPo lie factually, please.

        I’ve made no claim as to a moral code and the age of dating. I have, do, and will make observations regarding the practical effect of dating well outside ones age cohort, especially as it applies to teenagers of either sex and much older people.

        I do have a moral code. You should get one. They really are wonderful!

          Evasion. Does your moral code come from a belief in a god?

          The left is anti Christian. The WP is a leftist organization.

          The left routinely lies and makes up stories about sexual impropriety. I’m not falling for this one either. And I don’t even like Mr. Moore.

          “I’ve made no claim as to a moral code and the age of dating.”

          You are truly a laugher. You don’t even know what you write:

          “This is just sad, Kate.
          You are down to “legal” a your bellwether for conduct you excuse.
          I remember when conservatives had principles.”

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | November 12, 2017 at 11:44 pm

          Without dealing directly with all your bullshit, I CAN see how you are confused between principles and morals, you having neither.

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | November 12, 2017 at 6:40 pm

        “Typical, WP prints BS, unprovable, and you take their side.”

        This is several more lies. All of which devolve from YOU taking a side, and based on your own delusional “thinking”.

He won’t be the first or last PERVERT elected to congress..

Keep an eye out on this one. Looks like the Wapo story is starting to look more like a Rolling Stones article. Looking at the Moore enemies, I would say that the number of people out to get him are highly motivated to get him.

I love it:

NBC’s Todd: McConnell’s Reaction to Roy Moore Report Felt ‘Orchestrated’ — He Decided It Is ‘Worse’ If Moore Wins

Second, polling seems to be unchanged. Moore is still up by 10%

….but, but, but….the real story:

But Oakland attorney Micha Star Liberty told Capital Public Radio on November 10 that she represents one of three staffers that were allegedly fired for formally complaining to the State Senate Rules Committee, which De León chairs, about sexual harassment by his “weekday roommate,” State Sen. Tony Mendoza (D-Artesia).

More WAPO deflection of the real sex predators.

I am starting to think that there is something really nasty about Jones out there and they are doing this as a deflection.

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