GOP Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey Will Still Vote for Moore
She wants to keep the GOP majority in the senate.
Republican Alabama Governor Kay Ivey has said that she will cast a vote for Roy Moore for senate even though numerous women have accused him of sexual misconduct when they were teenagers and he was in his 30s.
“I’m going to cast my ballot on December the 12th, and I do believe the nominee of the party is the one I’ll vote for,” Ivey said. “I believe in the Republican Party, what we stand for, and most important, we need to have a Republican in the United States Senate to vote on things like the Supreme Court justices, other appointments the Senate has to confirm and make major decisions. So that’s what I plan to do, vote for Republican nominee Roy Moore.”
The allegations against Moore bother her and she said she doesn’t have any “reason to believe any of them.” However, she also finds the timing of the allegations “a little curious.”
NEW: @GovernorKayIvey, a Republican, just announced she will be voting for @MooreSenate. She cited keeping a republican majority in the Senate as one of the biggest factors in her decision. @ABCPolitics
— Tom Llamas (@TomLlamasABC) November 17, 2017
Gov. Kay Ivey says, “I have no reason to disbelieve any of them” [the women] and yet is going to vote for Moore bc “We need to have a Republican in the United States Senate” to vote for Supreme Court justices #2017
— Domenico Montanaro (@DomenicoNPR) November 17, 2017
This week has sort of been all over the place for Ivey concerning Moore. On Monday, she said she planned to “hold judgement” on more until all the facts come to light. She said that she still planned to vote for Moore.
But on Thursday, she refused to tell CNN how she planned to vote. She did confirm that she will not cancel the special election on December 12:
“The election will be December the 12th, and I will cast my ballot,” she said.
Ivey repeated those comments when pressed on who she’ll vote for.
Earlier today, at a rally for women supporting Moore, his wife Kayla said he will not step aside:
“He will not step down. He will not stop fighting for the people of Alabama,” Kayla Moore said in remarks here Friday.
Her comments were the latest signal that Moore is not planning to end his campaign, even as Senate Republican leaders have urged him to bow out and have withdrawn their support for him.
The Alabama Republican Party has also chosen to stick next to Moore even though Republicans across the country have asked them to cast him aside. AL.com reported:
State Republican Party Chairwoman Terry Lathan issued a statement on Thursday saying that the party is standing behind its nominee in the U.S. Senate race.
“The ALGOP Steering Committee supports Judge Roy Moore as our nominee and trusts the voters as they make the ultimate decision in this crucial race,” Lathan said.
“Judge Moore has vehemently denied the allegations made against him. He deserves to be presumed innocent of the accusations unless proven otherwise. He will continue to take his case straight to the people of Alabama.”
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This is going to turn out badly for the Ds/RINOs. Nobody likes being told what to do (how to vote). With their backs to the wall, Alabama voters will embrace the man that is holding his ground all alone against the political machine. This will have little to do with belief of guilt or innocence and a lot to do with ideals of autonomy.
It is not only Alabamans. Conservatives all over the country are watching the GOPe and the RNC and taking careful note that the only consistency with them is siding with the Democrats, and opposing their own voters if they vote for anything but collaboration. This will carry down to 2018.
I think that for a lot of people, when McConnell came out against Moore and the RNC began withholding $$$ they really began to resent ‘outsiders’ coming down on him. To paraphrase, ‘he might be a *****, but he’s OUR ****’. I double dog dare any of the RNC phone solicitors to call trying to get my contributions in the future.
So, we’re down to this…
Franken is a pig, but he’s our pig.
Moore is a pig, but…by gawd…he’s our pig.
I remember when we stood for things. Some of us still do.
‘O Great Goad Cheeto:
What photo did you see of Judge Roy Moore grabbing a woman’s breasts while she was unconscious?
What evidence of Moore doing ANYTHING wrong have you seen, other than listening to the words of lying sleazebag named gloria alred?
Roy Moore is not “our pig.” He’s our hero.
THE GREAT GOAD CHEETO EXPLAINED. SORTA:
Ragspierre | October 28, 2017 at 8:55 pm
“Romney winds up losing the softball election of 2012 against obama.”
If the 2012 election was a “gimme”, why didn’t your Great Goad Cheeto run and save the Republic?
Oops – forgot the cite:
“So, we’re down to this…
Franken is a pig, but he’s our pig.
Moore is a pig, but…by gawd…he’s our pig.
I remember when we stood for things. Some of us still do.”
Why is Moore a pig? We have had proof that Franken and many other people are pigs. We have proof that Roy Moore liked to date younger (legal age) women but no proof yet that he is a pig. Oh and by the way I dated a girl that was 10 years older than me when I was 18…does that make her a pig…or me?
Oh and as far as standing for something I prefer to stand on innocent until proven guilty and due process.
“Oh and as far as standing for something I prefer to stand on innocent until proven guilty and due process.”
No you don’t. That’s just a fig-leaf, and you know it.
There CAN’T be any “due process” here (unless Moore brings a law suit, and we all know he won’t), and nobody can bring any criminal charges against Moore.
But his SEVERAL accusers and alllllll corroborating witnesses are just lying. Right…???
Two≠several to normal people.
I think the two is down to one and with a step son calling her out and questionable yearbook sig. it look like it might even be at zero.
Screenshot this; if Ragsy ever has a job connected with the official legal system, proof that someone thinks due process is a fig leaf should be good for an instant recusal.
One Great Goad Cheeto’s pig is another person’s hero.
He’s our hero.
Even if we assume that Moore is a pig (and I don’t think two accusations are enough to definitely say that) that would be grounds to oppose him before the deadline to change the ballot. Once he’s on the ballot and it can’t be changed, I don’t care if he’s a confirmed murderer; get him elected and then deal with it. Because if we allow this tactic to succeed, the Ds will just keep doing it.
She is a conservative American and supports due process, and implicitly a presumption of innocence.
Good for her. We need less Pro-Choice Republicans.
The concept of a secret ballot seems to evade far too many people.
When did 2 turn into numerous? Or did I lose track of someone?
2 accusers, 3 women describing legal ethical conduct.
Yes. You lost track. Badly.
There is a 3rd accuser, says Mr. Moore grabbed her butt as she exited his office, after signing over one of her children to her mother.
Her mother was there as was his secretary, the famous DA. So sure, Moore is grabbing butts right out in the open.
The rest, as you stated, nothing, just the usual prudes all upset that a man might date a younger woman. The horror.
Well, other than the secretary says she’s never seen inappropriate. Maybe Rags will tell us why she’s less believable than a 40 year old memory.
It occurs to me that Rags only pretended to support Cruz because he believed Cruz was most likely to lose to his real candidate liberal Dem crook Hillary Clinton.
But, Gari (The Liar) Britt, I gave hard-earned money to Moore. He sends me emails every day.
I never “pretend” anything, and I expose myself every time I post to filthy liars like you.
I have a LOOOOOOOONG record here of fighting all things Clinton and Obama.
You have a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG record of lying your ass off. Oh, yeah, and being an ANTIconservative and Alt-righter.
Wikipedia says Legal Insurrection began in 2008. So your looooooooooooong history here of being anti-Clinton begins the year Obama ran against Hillary.
So tell us, Rags, did you vote for Bill Clinton for his second term?
I saw where Jeb! suggested Moore should drop out of the race because the Republican Party should stand for “decency”. Fine that. If we do, we will stand for it alone. The Left will stand for what it always does-power, control and elimination of opposition. For the time being, give me fighters who won’t back down. Save decency for the deserving. We have a war to win!
As a Republican, Jeb! is essentially ridiculous.
The Republican Party does stand for something. It stands for opposition to the disgraceful policies of the Democrats. That’s what it stood for when founded in 1854, and what it should stand for now.
Everything else it might stand for is just window-dressing.
Jeb! should stick his head up mcconnell’s ass, get in the captain’s seat of a boat holding all the GOPe rats in Congress and drive it into an iceberg.
See, what’s so interesting here is that I…like the governor of Alabama and Ivanka…have no reason to NOT believe the MANY people who accuse Moore of sexual misconduct AND their several corroborating witnesses.
Plus, like Sean Hannity, I don’t believe Moore. I FURTHER find that his wife’s MANY bullshit claims (all bogus, BTW) are telling.
IN ADDITION, I am STILL looking for the law suit Moore said he’d file (to intimidate his accusers), but I know he will not.
But I’m called all kinds of lying bullshit by cultists. Who don’t call Ivanka or the Alabama governor anything.
SwineReports just lies his ass off about what’s been alleged, and Gari (The Liar) Britt suggests I’ve never been a Cruz supporter, both of which are COMPLETELY documented on LI threads as outright lies.
I guess this is a perverse testament to my effectiveness here.
If Moore is your hero, you’ve lost all moorings to any claim to decency. And by his own admissions.
Actually she said:
“I certainly have no reason to disbelieve any of them,” Ivey said. “The timing is a little curious. But at the same time, I have no reason to disbelieve them.”
Think about it. If she said she did believe they were lying, it would be political suicide if any of it is true. Also, even if she thought it was BS, it would really look bad on her to be attacking the accusers at this point.
The Jacobin is being dishonest again. No where did she say “many People” and there are several corroborating witnesses.
Actually, in my poly sci studies, name recognition plays a big roll in selecting a candidate no matter if it is negative or positive. This actually might work in favor of Moore.
Moore is in a good position to position this in such a way to blow the doors off of Jones.
1. Outsiders are trying to control the Alabama Elections
2. Outside RINO’s are trying to control the party and disenfranchise Alabama
3. Democrats are using the usual smear tactics (Rathergate, Russian Dossier,etc….) in an effort to gain control of the house, which will again not be in the best interest of Alabama.
Moore just needs to remind everyone that he is the change agent and the heat he is getting is a direct attack on Alabama. He could even say that he agrees with Donald Trump and will do the right thing “if such allegations are true”, which only time will prove that they are not.
Here are a list of reason why they dislike me:
1. I represent faith in religion which they are against
2. I stand on the principle to the right to life
3. I am not a standard party line GOP aligned to big money like other GOPers.
4. The Elite rich who could care less about Alabama do not control me.
5. They are mad and sore losers because they spent $30 M on my primary opponent and still lost.
6. I do not tow the line on Globalist Immigration policies thus protecting the Alabama jobs
Vote for me and you are going against the dishonest media
Vote for me and you are going against the GOP’s that have failed over the last 16 years to do the right thing when they have have the majority in the house and senate at times.
Vote for me to expose those bad actors that do not care about Alabama.
Vote for me to expose those who want to hurt the economy of Alabama by their record of poor policies.
Moore needs some fire in his campaign right now and he can make this work for him. The gov just gave him a boost to make it happen. He needs to capitalize on it and get away from the accusations.
If Moore is your villain, you’ve lost all moorings to any claim to decency and understanding.
It means you support a dishonest media, you support external parties to influence your election and you lack the ability to see that the accusations are times to disrupt the election process more than expose a predator.
It means you allow these forces to cause you to abandon your principles for something that is very wrong (ie. Jones and giving Democrats power for the next election and in the Senate).
I would guess this is how the governor sees it.
“Who don’t call Ivanka or the Alabama governor anything.”
When Ivanka or the Alabama Gov get on here posting bullshit and lies like you, we’ll call them on it as well.
Have you figured out what a yearbook is yet?
I guess she must like law and order. Also, justice.
Due process includes the notion of statutes of limitations. It is for the protection of the accused. It is a recognition that after 40 years, evidence, witnesses, documents, and memories are no longer available. It’s a recognition that 40 years later, one cannot prove his innocence. And it is the accuser who has the burden of proof. If the defendant had to prove his innocence, he would be required to prove a negative. That some on a legal website would just toss out the whole notion of due process and consider Moore guilty without evidence, cross examination of the accuser, and due process is pretty frightening. I hope Moore wins and defeats the notion that anti-establishment politicians are fair game and voters are of no consequence.
That some on ANY website would conflate the decision to vote for or against someone with a criminal proceeding is truly frightening.
Would you, as a father of a teenaged daughter, allow Roy “Jailbait” Moore, knowing his reputation around town, to take her out?
His reputation must not have been that bad because it sounds like he did ask the parent if it was ok and they said ok. Considering that back then it was a free for all and “Love the one you were with” which would make Moore pretty honorable.
Not sure why the Jacobin is so hell bent against Moore. Is he jealous because he is a 40 year old virgin? Is he jealous because because his mom would not let him out of the basement? Is it Moore’s religious bent that bothers him?
I just don’t get the Jacobin’s level of anti-Moore vim. There must be something in the Jacobin’s background to reach such a level of hysteria. We will pray for you.
It is vital that we hear their stories. There should be no expectation, though, of a courtroom reckoning. While prosecution is practically impossible, that doesn’t absolve the culprits. Public office is a public trust, and weighing fitness for it is a matter of everyday discernment, not proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
You know this when the unconvicted sociopath, fresh off his second or third harassment arrest, shows up on the doorstep looking to take your daughter out. Do you really need a jury to decide that one for you?
No, they’ll never stand trial, but Franken should go away, and Roy Moore should stay away.
As I’ve been saying…
Oh, is that what you’ve been saying, Rags? Because it sounds to me like: “You’re wrong. Stupid. You lie. Cultist Trumpkins hugging Goat cheese, Moore hypocrite you are a horrible human being. Cultist. Liar!!! Waaaahhh, you’re so stupid. And also weird. Your mom dresses you funny, too! And you are a lying cultist. Goat Trump. Grrr!!! gnashing of teeth, rending of garments, sputter, spit, stomp foot, tantrum Cult! Progressive. Trump. Moore. Bad, bad, bad. LIAR!”
I have homeschooled my daughter using a classical(ish) model. The writing of summaries is an essential component of writing instruction.
May I just say that this is a MAGNIFICENT example of a summary, Fuzzy Slippers? You get an A.
To be really spot-on, the text could have used just a touch of that incoherent stream-of-consciousness stuff. Just to catch the flavor of the problem, as well as the, ahhh, content.
I am thinking that we create a ranking system.
The Jacobin Scale when he lacks a good foundational argument:
1. Lair – simplest point proving the Jacobin wrong
2. Stupid – by reference by Jacobin
3. Moron – stronger point that you proved the Jacobin wrong
4. Idiot – you really proved the Jacobin wrong
5. Swirling Turd – Jacobin missed the mark complete
Yah, Fussy, that IS what I’ve been saying. I’ve been saying it for days.
You know this. I’ll post links to my comments if you insist.
But you don’t deny that. You just go all “mean girl” on me, which for an LI editor is really an act of cowardice.
I guess the jibe about going and feeding your cats hit a nerve bundle.
Touchy, touchy, Rags. I’ve said the same thing to you many times, just not in parody form. When you aren’t being rude and calling people names and are commenting on the issue, your comments are great. But you spend more time typing the same hectoring insults over and over that anything meaningful you may have to say is completely lost.
I love parody and have often posted similar parodies of both Trump and Obama (and of another LI commenter or two). It’s something I started doing long ago in graduate school; we English majors would amuse ourselves by writing “really bad” parodies–i.e. “really bad Milton / Shakespeare / Emily Dickinson / Hemingway / et. al.” Gertrude Stein was most difficult because her rambling crap was already a bad parody of good writing. Parody literature is a whole genre of its own these days, and it’s tons of fun.
You used to have a sense of humor, but now all I hear is bitterness and seething rage. 🙁
I think you’re great, Rags. Always have. I just hate to see you so diminished and, frankly, unhinged; you’re better than that, but apparently, of the two of us, I’m the only one who knows it. You sure don’t if you think I’m . . . er, “not raining” on your back. Out of curiosity, do you think that your paranoia is healthy or helpful in any way? What do you gain by alienating me and everyone else who comments on and/or works here? Is there some sense of superiority that somehow provides you some sense of self? Shrug. It’s weird.
Keep on keeping on, Rags, but as far as I can see, the only substantive arguments you post are lengthy quotes from articles not written by you but copied and pasted from other sites (that is SO Voting Female; unable to articulate a thing, she just posted entire articles from other sites, provoking the boss’s ire along the way). Then you pepper your (mercifully) short, angry, often incoherent posts with cute little plays on people’s screen names (this does not bother me, by the way, I used to write a parody series on my blog as my leftist loon alter-ego Fussy Slippers). Add in the unimaginative name-calling (“you’re STOOOOOPID,” a cultist, a liar, a oh who even cares. . . blah, blah, blah) and the “I’m the SMAAAHRTEST guy in the room. Just ask me!”, and it’s just . .. sad. I wish you could see it.
Oh, I DO see you. I see all your innuendo, and all your “clever” poison. So much cowardice.
Among other things, you don’t know the definition of “cowardice”.
I didn’t get that “cowardice” thing, either. But I didn’t care enough to ask about it.
Rags, I’m still wondering if you voted for Bill Clinton in his second term or not?
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who has seen the wind? Neither I nor you, but when the leaves bow down their head, the wind is passing through.
nothing but the sound of the wind
Rags, I am soooooo sorry I frighten you by expecting some reasonable level of due process before destroying a man’s reputation, career, and family. How quaint of me. I guess I am just not as virtuous as you.
I don’t know about virtue, but I am more intellectually consistent and honest than you are, and you are frighteningly intellectually dishonest.
Voting against Moore would not do any of the things you suggest.
This is going to get even more interesting:
“We have known Roy Moore and his family for more than 25 years,” Angie Johnson said. “His son was coached on a ball team by my husband …a team player alongside my son. Roy also helped with coaching the team. My husband and I have been guests in his home, in his office in Gadsden as well as Montgomery. I am acquaintances with several members of Roy’s family. I have never known Roy to exhibit anything other than appropriate behavior during our times together. Further I was raised and lived in Gadsden all of my 50+ years and I have never been aware of any of the incidents that have been spoken of about Roy. I worked in a fast food establishment that Roy frequented during the time period in question. Again …no behavior exhibited other than respect and mannerful … during that time Roy had written and recorded a 45 record which he brought over and gifted to my mother. I do not understand waiting years and years to make accusations unless there are political or monetary gains to be made. It is a sad day when someone can take a person’s character and attempt to discredit them by making accusations that cannot be proven. How quick everyone is to take the position of judge, juror, and executioner. What if the shoe was on the other foot. I would never condone sexual harassment against anyone if proven.”
Evidence of the obvious: there are ways to defend available to Moore, or anyone in like circumstances.
Name the “ways”.
Tell us Mr. Attorney how one defends their selves from allegations of sexual misconduct 40 years ago.
Tell us how that can be done within the time limitations of an election pending with 30 days.
Tell us instead of pretending you have already done so with “wheat/chaff” and “down the middle”, Mr. Brilliant.
You keep lying that you have already told us. Link to it.
Sound like the yearbook signature is looking more and more like it was manufactured. Gloria Allred has some splaining to do.
How so? I mean, it wouldn’t surprise me, and Allred’s involvement is not a recommendation, but what is this evidence of forgery that you’re implying exists? And please, no cites from Hoft or the Nuthouse.
My own suspicions are from the signature’s remarkable similarity to a version from this year, and the odd use of “DA”. But neither of these is dispositive.
Good Lord Milhouse, do you read?
Shooting the messenger is not useful.
Lets just start then:
1) A yearbook signed in December is at least a bit odd. Possible yes, but still odd.
2) The signature, does not match Moore’s writing, particularly after the “Roy” or “Ray” or “Kay”.
3) After the Roy/Ray/Kay the angle of the writing changes.
4) After the Roy/Ray/Kay the ink changes. This is absolutely true, not some photoshop by your favorite websites.
5) The signature includes the initials “DA”. Moore was not a DA, rather an ADA, and it cannot be shown he ever signed anything else with DA or ADA.
6) Mrs. Nelson and the lying commie hack Allred never mentioned Moore was assigned to her divorce case. That document has Moore’s stamped signature with the initials “DA” after. DA for Moore’s secretary, not district attorney. Did someone think it meant district attorney and included it while forging the signature?
7) The allegation Mrs. Nelson makes is a serious one. If true then Moore is despicable and guilty of attempted rape. Given the serious nature of the crime, how does one square keeping a yearbook signed by the despicable Moore without crossing it out or making some comment there?
8) The allegation Mrs. Nelson makes is a serious one along with the accusation Corfman makes. With 40 years in the public eye, multiple national level coverage, and no one dug this up before. Give me a break.
Watch the msnbc video:
BWI what is Hoft or the Nuthouse ?
Hoft is Jim Hoft of Gateway Pundit, and Nuthouse is short for “Conservative Nuthouse” which is what the site Conservative Treehouse is often called by right-of-center people who don’t like the site.
There use to be a site called the Rightwing Nuthouse. As for Gateway Pundit, really don’t track there. I think I found LI through the Conservative Tree House. They had some great discussion on the Zimmerman case.
With all media now, credibility is in the tank. Not sure what the issue is with the Conservative Tree House. Ya, there are some challenging poster, just like here.
Interestingly, I started to pay attention to blogs with Little Green Footballs which now disappoints. I guess that is like 17+ years strong excluding AOL, Compuserv and news groups.
As for the full court press on Alabama with front page editorials, I am thinking Moore is a major attack on the establishment, not an sex abuse case. Can’t wait for election day. Hope it is a landslide to put the establishment in its place.
Personal opinion on Moore is that he is a little too religious for me. It is that reason alone that my liberal friends are so staunchly against him. Anything other than him is a worst choice.
I agree with both Mark and Milhouse. Nothing yet is dispositive about the yearbook signature. Nor will it be without a proper forensic evaluation. And a forensic evaluation includes being subject to cross examination. At any rate, it is certainly very suspicious and insufficient to draw conclusions about fitness to serve. Especially after so many years of dedicated service to the state and country. One need not agree with Moore’s politics to note that he served for many years with honor and principle, even if you disagree with his principles.
Denny Hastert, John McAnus, Duke Cunningham, etc.