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What in the world is happening with Trump, DACA, and the border wall?

What in the world is happening with Trump, DACA, and the border wall?

A deal by any other name…

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/897555267587461121

Late Wednesday night, Democrats Sen. Schumer and White House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi announced they’d reached a deal with Trump on DACA and that funding for Trump’s campaign cornerstone, the border wall, was not part of the agreement, though they’d agreed to include some form of beefed up border security.

Trump and White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders both denied any deal was made.

On Fox News Wednesday night, Huckabee Sanders said:

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Thursday that President Trump is committed to building the border wall.

“The wall is already going through extensive renovations. They’re already building sample walls. That part is already moving forward. The president is 100 committed to the wall,” Mrs. Sanders said on Fox News. “These efforts are going to continue.”

Early Thursday morning Trump tweeted no deal was made:

Then an hour later, followed up saying the border wall already exists in the form of a renovated fence that already exists along parts of the southern border, that no one wants to kick out DREAMers, and something about “BIG border security”.

But then later:

And bonus:

So what’s going on?

Trump and his comms team claim no deal was made. Fine. But where is the funding for the border wall? And why is the wall now a fence repair project? And why do Trump’s tweets sound exactly like the deal Democrats claimed they reached? Sure sounds an awful lot like Republican border security plans circa 2014 and a lot less like the campaign promises of 2016.

But this may all have been much ado about nothing. In the statement released by Pelosi Wednesday night, Pelosi described the meeting with Trump as resulting in an agreement “to a plan to work out an agreement”.

The bipartisan efforts are refreshing, but that’s the only bright spot here, politically speaking.

The Dream Act has bipartisan support, but Republicans are going to be far less willing to sign on to such a bill without something major in return, like funding for a border wall. But who knows, the Republican caucus is such a cluster these days, we can be sure of one thing — if there’s a way to botch this further, they’ll find it, double down, and then go full Leeroy Jenkins.

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“I will build a BIG, BEAUTIFUL border…um…thingy. Maybe…”

#HereToStay is now the clear position of Donald Ducks.

Face it, T-rump suckers (who are not reluctant T-rump voters, but ARE cultists)…

you have been had.

Good and hard.

    thalesofmiletus in reply to Ragspierre. | September 14, 2017 at 10:51 am

    Yeah, just like we were “had” 25 years ago when Schumer conned “no new taxes” Bush into raising taxes and costing him the election.

    By this reasoning, one should only vote for Democrats because then you wont “get had.”

      This is just “whataboutism”. It’s a fallacy.

      By my reasoning, you don’t get anywhere near where your bullshit suggests.

      You listen, you learn, and you think critically about who says what, and what kind of credence you can invest in it.

      Then you act on it. I did. Others were fooled, including, by your own suggestion, yourself.

        thalesofmiletus in reply to Ragspierre. | September 14, 2017 at 11:19 am

        Not fallacy; it’s pattern recognition.

        Pretending to care about the deficit — created exclusively by their own profligate spending — Democrats demanded that Bush agree to a “balanced budget” package with both spending cuts and tax increases.

        In June 1990, Bush did so, agreeing to tax hikes in defiance of his “read-my-lips, no-new-taxes” campaign pledge.

        On CNN’s “Crossfire,” then-Congressman Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., gloated: “All the spin control in the world can’t undo the fact that the president is moving away from [no new] taxes.”

        Why was this fact excluding from your “critical thinking”?

          Because it’s logically disjunctive.

          We are not talking about G.H.W Bush. Did you miss that?

          There’s nothing instructive about your nonsense. Why don’t you bring up Reagan’s failures to recognize Deemocrat duplicity?

          This isn’t about T-rump being duped by “Chuck and Nancy”.

          It’s about who he is, was, and will be tomorrow, and how YOU were fooled by his false representations, taking your statement below on face value.

          thalesofmiletus in reply to thalesofmiletus. | September 14, 2017 at 11:38 am

          It’s about … how YOU were fooled by his false representations

          No, it’s about Ragspierre, his hatred for Trump and anyone who doesn’t hate Trump. Because that what’s is always been about here for the last year or so.

          Now you’re abandoning the realm of reason for pure name-calling.

          Bush was duped in a deal with the Deemocrats. But it WAS as deal. The same was true of Reagan.

          T-rump MADE no deal. Not on the debt ceiling, and not on DREAMERS.

          In fact, he cut the legs out from under his own Treasury Sec. and his AG, who’d just declared the DACA affront unconstitutional.

          See now…???

          There is no “pattern” to recognize.

          thalesofmiletus in reply to thalesofmiletus. | September 14, 2017 at 12:36 pm

          Now you’re abandoning the realm of reason for pure name-calling.

          Don’t start none, won’t be none. 🙂

          I never have. I’m still here, being reasonable.

          You said…
          https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/09/what-in-the-world-is-happening-with-trump-daca-and-the-border-wall/#comment-782455

          Which was an honest ejaculation of how you felt/thought.

      Schumer?! WTH did Schumer have to do with it?

      Wait. Are you actually suggesting that Bush 41 was led by the nose by Schumer and somehow incapable of reasoning or backbone? Seriously?

    It’s sinking in slowly, Rags. It might be helpful not to crow and sing just now?

    Just as the more fevered Trumpsters made us cringe and almost instinctively cringe away from Trump . . . .

If this is true, I will feel personally betrayed… and I don’t think that I will be the only one.

    Ragspierre in reply to Kaffa. | September 14, 2017 at 10:36 am

    You can very quickly verify the facts here.

    Plus, there’s this…

    “The WALL, which is already under construction in the form of new renovation of old and existing fences and walls, will continue to be built.”

    AND…

    “The wall will come later.”

    Both quotes from Donald Ducks.

    The same guy who baited the boobs with, “I will build a BIG, BEAUTIFUL wall, AND make Mexico pay for it!”.

    thalesofmiletus in reply to Kaffa. | September 14, 2017 at 10:52 am

    You won’t be the only one, not by a damn sight. No wall = no re-election. Period.

      If he signs off on unfettered amnesty for any illegal alien he’s toast. I’ve had to listen to my Dummycrat father for months over my vote for DJT, for what? For him to give away the farm? I know Donald is not stupid, but to think he can make a deal with Schumer and Pelosi to give them something immediately and he’ll get something later (doesn’t matter what) and not get burned is as dumb as can be.

        thalesofmiletus in reply to Dave. | September 14, 2017 at 11:52 am

        Yep, toast, even though in the scheme of things, Amnesty will make no difference, won’t prevent the coming demographic disaster, even if he kicks out all the “dreamers”, etc.

    Merlin in reply to Kaffa. | September 14, 2017 at 11:03 am

    As long as Trump can keep the faithful believing that the promised greatness is right around the corner he doesn’t have to actually accomplish a damned thing.

      Yes, he damn sure does.

      conservative tarheel in reply to Merlin. | September 17, 2017 at 10:13 am

      unti Election Day …. then he better have something to show
      or he and the GOP will be toast ….
      I voted for DJT .. not in the primaries ..
      I could not sit out the election … president Hillary
      was to great a threat …

“Republicans are going to be far less willing to sign on to such a bill without something major in return, like funding for a border wall.”
Really? Maybe a couple.

Trump is all about the deal and is more than willing to deal with democrats, please remember he was one.
The sad part is that the Republicans in house and senate largely did their jobs, except a few RINO holdouts like Mccain, Murkowski , Collins… And the deals with the Democrats are pretty much what those RINOs want anyway. Those RINOS need to be dealt with severely , and come reelection time a NATIONAL focus on those RINOS obstructionists needs to be made to get them out of office with someone more conservative. Yes that means National Money in Local State races. (ooo bad words I know)

Yawn….

Oh ffs, stop hyperventilating.

    thalesofmiletus in reply to mailman. | September 14, 2017 at 11:26 am

    Indeed, you have to watch what he does, not what he says. Trump knows better than to speak in dialectic — we’re way beyond that now in this country. Honesty has no place in politics. And what he’s done so far, is great. Still better than Hillary or any GOPe who couldn’t have won the election, in any case.

      “Trump knows better than to speak in dialectic…”

      That’s simply ridiculous. He does it all the time.

      It just isn’t credible when you take in the whole picture.

      The NYT is “the enemy”. Which he yearns to have approve of him, and gives extended sit-down interviews to.

      He’s going to LOCK HER UP. But never, ever intended to do anything of the kind.

        thalesofmiletus in reply to Ragspierre. | September 14, 2017 at 12:29 pm

        He’s going to LOCK HER UP. But never, ever intended to do anything of the kind.

        “You’d be in prison” Did you actually expect that he would? That’s my point — masterful off-the-cuff rhetoric won him the day. You taking that rhetoric at face-value as though it were sober dialectic just proves my point.

What’s happening to/with Trump?

He’s sinking into the miasma of the Swamp.

And what bothers me the most is that he’s happy with it. I’ve been had.

    conservative tarheel in reply to fscarn. | September 17, 2017 at 10:17 am

    it has been noted many times during the election …
    he is a life long democrat … a leopard can not change his
    spots ….

And it is being spun as much as Obama’s screwing of his base was. When did repair become synonymous with building?

Trump is a salesman. Right now he’s testing the waters, and maybe amnesty is his inclination, but he’s going to find out that his base has zero support for this. In which case, he’ll try to back down without losing face.

If he goes ahead with amnesty (no matter what he calls it), he’ll be a one-termer.

    Ragspierre in reply to Matt_SE. | September 14, 2017 at 11:09 am

    Respectfully, he’s well beyond “testing the waters”. This is who he is, and always has been.

    If you listened to him for the last many months, you knew where he was headed.

    And certain of his base are simply enthralled, and he knows and counts on that. You’ll see it demonstrated here.

    Steve Bannon knew this, why not #amnestyDon? I thought he understood his base, but apparently not. Maybe if we had gotten Javanka out of the WH this wouldn’t have happened.

      thalesofmiletus in reply to Dave. | September 14, 2017 at 11:51 am

      The #sad part is that Trump spent all his resources just to win the election, that he put no team of 100 to 1,000 loyalists together as a sort of “break glass in case of election” with which to fill the presidency, because just occupying the top spot isn’t enough to get things done.

      C. Lashown in reply to Dave. | September 14, 2017 at 12:16 pm

      This might be the ‘greatest opportunity’ that any President has ever had…to totally ‘piss off’ every Democrat and Republican voter (at the same time) in America today. All he has to do is weasel out of the ‘Deadbeats Are Calling Already’ DACA agreement. I wonder if his new Populist position will be, “I’m running for Impeachment”, being POTUS is no fun. Force me out, please…

    Merlin in reply to Matt_SE. | September 14, 2017 at 11:41 am

    Trump’s constantly change direction makes it increasingly difficult for others to follow. Forceful leadership is what he sold the voters. Forceful leadership should look more like herding Republicans instead of squatting with Democrats. Democrats don’t compromise. Dude, you won! Act like it!!

Anyone else wonder what Trump is going to think IF he gets wind of the backlash? Does he really think most of his base will follow him anywhere?

    Loyalty-wise he has already committed the adultery. All he can do now is ask for forgiveness. But, it is too late.

    Oh, and on the clear and present danger of expansionary Islamic supremacism, he has effectively appointed the Muslim Brotherhood to run the NSC.

    What reason does anyone have left to object to impeachment?

      katiejane in reply to pdxnag. | September 14, 2017 at 4:12 pm

      I really don’t see him “asking for forgiveness” now. IMO this will be spun as one of 2 ways – either “what else could he do when the GOP Congress wouldn’t work with him” or “we misunderstood what he planned to do all among.” Either they were stupid or we were.

“A decline in courage may be the most striking feature which an outside observer notices in the West in our days” (A. Solzhenitsyn, 1978)

– A ‘Deep State’ blackmail hack?
– Cowardice?
– Just pure incompetence? Or…
– Was president Trump only a stalking horse from the ‘left’ all along?

I thought America had thrown off the shackles of being governed by a disinterested ‘vaudeville scoundrels’ after Obama. Exactly ‘when’ did the Constitution and Bill of Rights become a contract for self-destruction, preempting plain common sense?

Three things here.

First, Trump has been known to use Twitter to float trial balloons to gauge public opinion. Right now, the Republican Congress REFUSES to make any significant moves on Obamacare, immigration and border security, tax reform and fiscal responsibility. And, the RINO leadership is now actively working against revoking the Dream act and following the rule of law. So, we’ll have to wait and see how this plays out.

Second, if Trump signs any bill which provides amnesty for the Dreamers, or any other illegal alien, he will lose a significant portion of his base. His base realizes that he can not be held responsible for the obstructionism of virtually everyone in DC, including the leadership of his own party. As long as he remains true to his campaign promises, they will continue to back him. But, if he actively reneges on those promises, especially his immigration promises, his base will feel totally betrayed. The results of that are impossible to predict, at this time.

Third, no other Republican or Democrat candidate, including Ted Cruz, would have eliminated the Dreamer EO and announced that the dreamers would be deported. The Congress would not be in the position of drafting and passing an amnesty bill. So, even if Trump does make a deal with for amnesty for dreamers, we are no worse off politically than if Cruz or Bush were elected to the Presidency.

Just as Hurricanes Harvey and Irma are categorical proof that man-made global warming is a fact, every time Trump starts punking the GOP leadership, neverTrumpers see this as empirical evidence that Trump has gone to the dark side.

Wait and see what happens.

irishgladiator63 | September 14, 2017 at 2:10 pm

If only we had Republican majorities in the House and Senate…then we would able to get something done. If only.

I’m in wait and see mode. I give him credit for being the smartest man in the room- and you don’t stay that way by stabbing your base in the back.

Dems should probably be worried about what his real intent is more than his base should.

So far- crazy like a fox has not made appeasement or kum-bah-yah his thing. Let’s see.

Trump is a showman who NEEDS to be adored by any and all. His family is Demorat and all of his NYC friends are Demorats. His base, which is very pro American and pro border security, elected him not his Demorat friends. If he is even thinking of switching horses in the middle of this maelstrom then he is already on his way out. This would be as big of a betrayal as hillary and the Benghazi victims. I am going to give him time to see which group has sway over him and then decide where I stand. If he turns out to be what many think he is, then he needs to be primaried.

He’s still better than Hildebeeste.

>>>”The Dream Act has bipartisan support”

Maybe in a strict formal sense, but not really as RINOs are undocumented Democrats.

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