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Report: Trump May End DACA on Friday

Report: Trump May End DACA on Friday

Ten states threatened to sue the U.S. on Sept. 5 if the admin didn’t phase out DACA.

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Reports have emerged that President Donald Trump may end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program on Friday. From McClatchyDC:

President Donald Trump is expected to end an Obama-era program that shielded young people from deportation, but he will likely let the immigrants known as Dreamers stay in the United States until their work permits run out, according to multiple people familiar with the policy negotiation.

That plan would allow Trump to fulfill a campaign promise to end one of Barack Obama’s signature initiatives while also giving the president a way to keep the pledge he made after Inauguration Day to treat the Dreamers with “great heart,” said sources on both sides of the issue who are involved in the discussions.

I blogged in February that DHS issued new guidelines for immigration, which listed which aliens should be deported by importance. The memos spared those under DACA:

The changes would spare so-called “dreamers.” On a conference call with reporters, a DHS official stressed that the directives would not affect Obama-era protections for illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and others given a reprieve in 2014. But outside those exemptions, Kelly wrote that DHS “no longer will exempt classes or categories of removable aliens from potential enforcement.”

In April, then-DHS Secretary John Kelly told CNN that the department has not targeted ‘Dreamers’ because officials were more concerned with criminals:

“The President told me to do two things,” Kelly said. “He told me to secure the Southwest border — all of our borders, and, of course, focusing now on the Southwest border — and to take the worst of those that are in our country illegally, take them — look for them and deport them. So that’s what I’m doing.”

Ten states, led by Texas, threatened to sue the U.S. if Trump did not do anything about DACA. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton sent a letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions on June 29, asking the administration to “phase out the DACA program.” He wrote:

“If, by September 5, 2017, the Executive Branch agrees to rescind the June 15, 2012 DACA memorandum and not to renew or issue any new DACA or Expanded DACA permits in the future, then the plaintiffs that successfully challenged DAPA and Expanded DACA will voluntarily dismiss their lawsuit currently pending in the Southern District of Texas,” they write. “Otherwise, the complaint in that case will be amended to challenge both the DACA program and the remaining Expanded DACA permits.”

The attorney generals from Arkansas, Alabama, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Nebraska, South Carolina, Tennessee, and West Virginia joined Paxton and Texas in the request along with Idaho Governor C.L. Otter.

Earlier this month, reports came out that Trump wanted to end the program. It appears that Sessions has also applied pressure to Trump to end DACA.

Here is the information on DACA from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services on the Department of Homeland Security website:

What Is DACA

On June 15, 2012, the Secretary of Homeland Security announced that certain people who came to the United States as children and meet several guidelines may request consideration of deferred action for a period of two years, subject to renewal. They are also eligible for work authorization. Deferred action is a use of prosecutorial discretion to defer removal action against an individual for a certain period of time. Deferred action does not provide lawful status.

Guidelines

You may request DACA if you:

1. Were under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012;
2. Came to the United States before reaching your 16th birthday;
3. Have continuously resided in the United States since June 4. 15, 2007, up to the present time;
5. Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making your request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS;
Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012;
6. Are currently in school, have graduated or obtained a certificate of completion from high school, have obtained a general education development (GED) certificate, or are an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or Armed 7. Forces of the United States; and
Have not been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor,or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety.

Townhall stated that DACA “covers about 800,000 youth who came here illegally.”

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Good. These programs were improper to begin with, and should never have been started. As Obama himself repeatedly admitted, the president does not have the constitutional authority to unilaterally shield large classes of illegal aliens from deportation and give them legal status.

If congress wants to give amnesty to illegal alien “kids” under age 31 (or pretending to be under age 31), then let them pass a law and do it — and let them also face the public backlash for once again rewarding illegal behavior.

Congress shouldn’t get to hide behind Obama’s skirts.

How would he do this?

And California Attorney General Xavier Becerra (D) said Monday his office was considering mounting a defense of the program if the Justice Department refuses to act.

    rabidfox in reply to Notanymore. | August 31, 2017 at 7:49 pm

    How can you mount a defense of a program that is, and has been from the get-go, illegal?

      If you need to ask that question, then with all due respect you haven’t been paying attention to how these things work out. Trump supposedly had the right to push his ban, yet after five months it was finally implemented in watered-down form. His Wall was supposed to have been started by now, but he has to threaten to shut down the govt to get a small amount of funding for it.

      Doing things the Trump way does not work.

      The smart alternative is to make smart arguments that undercut DACA *to its casual supporters*. A small % will always support it, but if 60% or 70% oppose it, it will be very vulnerable. Then, Trump can offer a smart, patriotic alternative: helping DREAMers repatriate. Even if it requires giving them or MX some money (as other countries do). That will not only help the USA, it’ll help MX. Yet, for some reason, Trump can only think of things in the most childlike terms possible: “bad dudes” vs “big heart”.

      Enabling Trump will lead to amnesty. Demanding Trump uses that smart plan will prevent amnesty. Which do you want?

        LastRedoubt in reply to 24AheadDotCom. | September 1, 2017 at 2:02 am

        Hunh. Under the delusion that doing it the “smart” way was ever going to get us immigration reform. Losing with honor, aye. Like the whole Rubio/McLame/Grahamnesty thing, or the legislature being handed a golden opportunity to repeal O-care AS PROMISED and standing around with their thumbs up their asses.

        Go ahead, virtue signal your supposed educational level, the man is not the moron many, including you, seem to think he is. Whereas you’re certainly not smart enough to have preserved girls bathrooms.

If I remember correctly the states’ lawsuit against DACA when countered by the Obama Admin in court, Obama’s lawyers told the judge lies about it being suspended per the court order. Unlike Sheriff Joe, who didn’t lie to the court, they were not charged with criminal contempt. They ought to lose their license to practice law, but that didn’t even happen.

    Milhouse in reply to amr. | September 1, 2017 at 1:07 am

    You don’t remember correctly.

    DACA is not even the subject of the states’ challenge; they threatened to add it next week, if the president doesn’t end it. The challenge was to DAPA, which consists of two measures: issuing permits to the parents of citizens or legal aliens, and extending the term of DACA permits from 2 years to 3.

    When the judge issued his injunction DHS stopped issuing DAPA permits, and told the lawyers arguing the case to assure the judge of this, but they continued to issue DACA permits for three years instead of the two that the original DACA policy had specified. As they understood it, this was not DAPA but an amendment to DACA, and not covered by the judge’s injunction. When the lawyers found out about this they informed the judge, who took a different view of his order, thought he’d been lied to, told DHS to stop, and threatened the lawyers with sanctions.

    When it later transpired that even after this 2500 further 3-year DACA permits had been issued in error, he issued sanctions all around, including banning those lawyers from appearing in his courtroom and ordering them to take a course in ethics.

DINORightMarie | August 31, 2017 at 6:38 pm

That McClatchy report/article is total BS. A “Dreamer” does not have a work permit – so, they wouldn’t have one “run out” before being deported!! Nonsense!

Even the DACA “guidelines” don’t mention anyone here on a work permit………

I am so SICK of the media making this into some tragic thing. These people are here illegally; in ANY other country, almost, they’d be IN JAIL INDEFINITELY, then, when convenient, they’d be DEPORTED, without question.

Let. It. End.

    You are incorrect. DACA letters explicitly say the holder is permitted to work in the US and assure employers that they will not be prosecuted for employing the holder. That is a work permit.

The lack of compassion is extraordinary. My guess is that most of you can’t feel good unless you are kicking someone when they are down.

Now I truly understand why you like Trump. He is your SOB. You may be miserable, but you can rejoice that Trump is making other people’s lives more miserable than you.

    rabidfox in reply to YellowSnake. | August 31, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    Oh sob, sob. Is this supposed to make me wither with shame? The program is illegal. It was illegal when initiated and it will remain illegal until Congress passes a law making this an exception to the immigration law.

    I might remind you that it wasn’t the US – or Trump supporters – that brought these kids here illegally. It was their parents who chose to break US law. Repeat: Parents. CHOSE. to break our laws. Take your righteous indignation to them.

      YellowSnake in reply to rabidfox. | August 31, 2017 at 8:30 pm

      No, I know you have no shame.

      I wonder how you would feel if the crimes of your parents were visited on you.

      It wasn’t written to make anyone feel anything. White trash used to feel better than the nigras and now you can feel superior to somebody, too.

        Every time someone wants to invoke “white privilege”, reparations, etc. that’s exactly what is happening. You prepared to give that up, yellowworm?

          YellowSnake in reply to SDN. | September 1, 2017 at 3:38 pm

          I am OK with justice – Ahole

          As for undocumented or illegals (if your prefer), I have a couple on my payroll. She did not ‘take’ anyone’s jobs. I hired one after 2 ‘legals’ accepted the job and quit before they started. The job has its unpleasant aspects, but I try to make it as good as I can because I need it done.

          One of the ‘legals’ accept the job and then backed out because she wanted to get paid off-the-books. The 2nd quit before she started even though I had gone to great lengths to explain exactly what she would be doing and she had assured me she could handle it. The illegal has done the job for 2 years. Yes, she gets paid off the books, but I tried to find someone legal, first.

          Do you think calling me a name hurts me? Does it helps your rhetorical argument? Are you a wannabe thug?

        ConradCA in reply to YellowSnake. | September 1, 2017 at 8:42 am

        Children can return to their country of origin without being punished. Once there they will be just like the millions who lived there.

        JusticeDelivered in reply to YellowSnake. | September 1, 2017 at 9:13 am

        Typical low IQ reasoning. One good reason to be kicking illegals out is that their presence is diluting our gene pool and represent the second largest group based on per capita crime rates in our prisons.

          YellowSnake in reply to JusticeDelivered. | September 1, 2017 at 3:45 pm

          “diluting our gene pool”? I suspect that if they joined into yours they would improve it.

          Not directly on point, but can you tell me whose gene pool got diluted when Ivanka married Jared?

    tom swift in reply to YellowSnake. | August 31, 2017 at 8:29 pm

    Now I truly understand why you like Trump.

    No, it’s very clear that you haven’t a clue why.

    You may be miserable, but you can rejoice that Trump is making other people’s lives more miserable than you.

    And if this is symptomatic of the sophistication of your reasoning, you’ll never have a clue.

      YellowSnake in reply to tom swift. | August 31, 2017 at 8:48 pm

      There isn’t any ‘reason’ in uprooting a person who is totally enculturated, is law abiding, contributing and wants to be an American. That is how it has always been since the 1st non-Native American came here.

      I don’t know why you like Trump? In the personal sense, of course not. In the sociological sense, I know exactly why. The problem is that you are nihilistic. This country always grew by accepting immigrants. That is what made American exceptional.

      Do you know that J. Edgar Hoover wanted to keep Albert Einstein out of this country? If Einstein had not come, we might never have built the atomic bomb. Do you know how few Jews this country accepted during the Holocaust?

      You want to make America Great? Then allow fresh blood to come. Who cares what color? At various times this country declared Irish, Italians and Jews as non-white. Then they were white.

        LastRedoubt in reply to YellowSnake. | August 31, 2017 at 9:19 pm

        Well well.

        – Law abiding?

        How so? Are they citizens? Are they naturalized? Do they have a work permit or a green card? It may not be their fault (blame their parents, then) but if they don’t have legally recognized status having jumped through the appropriate hoops, it doesn’t matter if they meant to break the law or not. We may grandfather some and not further extend the program, get around to them last to give them time to adjust and self-deport since we’re more interested in violent criminals from a priority standpoint, and so forth, but if they were law abiding, then revoking DACA as a standard to allow them to come in and stay would have no effect.

        If they’re minors, it’s not like they wouldn’t go back without their parents anyway.

        – Wants to be an American?

        So? One question is _why_. Oh, look, we can get welfare (what’s the percentage these days? 70%, 80%) or is it “I want to be responsible, stand on my feet, etc.” And how do you tell except by the choices they make (what’s the percentage on welfare again)?

        Who cares what they want? To reference the Rolling Stones, you can’t always get it. Even if we replaced every person in the US with a foreign national, or imported three for every one of us here, we wouldn’t make a dent in world poverty, and those people wouldn’t suddenly develop the habits of a protestant or midwest work ethic and learn to speak english or read, and be rich. Also, by taking the most motivated out of their country we also harm the country they come from.

        There is no magic dirt.

        – Sins of the Parents?

        Again, so?

        If a dad is an alcoholic and beats his kids, he’s certainly visiting his sins upon them. If he’s a robber and get’s sent to jail, they’re certainly suffering the loss of any possible positive guidance, nevermind income and support, he could provide. When adults make stupid decisions, kids suffer as well. It’s not fair, but nature really doesn’t care about fair.

          YellowSnake in reply to LastRedoubt. | August 31, 2017 at 9:29 pm

          You know damn well what I meant by law-abiding. Ypu know damn well what I meant by the rest of the comment. You are playing with people’s lives. I guess you have to get your kicks somehow.

          LastRedoubt in reply to LastRedoubt. | August 31, 2017 at 10:07 pm

          I know damn well what YOU meant, but stop being dishonest with your words, as what you _meant_ was OTHERWISE law-abiding.

          But you conflated that, you lying pissant, to engender sympathy. Stop the bullshit.

          You also didn’t address a single other point made. But calling us awful people makes you feel better, and maybe gets a few people to go “but we aren’t bad.”

          We don’t care. I believe in the golden rule and will extend to you no more than the respect and honesty you extend to others, as by your own actions you demonstrate what you find acceptable.

          Think of it as game theory – the iterated prisoner’s dilemma in action.

          How about this as a suggestion?

          We treat Mexican illegals the same way they treat illegals.

          Personally, I think revoking DACA and deporting them would be far kinder.

          Henry Hawkins in reply to LastRedoubt. | September 1, 2017 at 9:08 am

          Except for a few murders, Ted Bundy was otherwise law abiding.

          JusticeDelivered in reply to LastRedoubt. | September 1, 2017 at 9:16 am

          We know that EVERY illegal is a criminal.

          Milhouse in reply to LastRedoubt. | September 1, 2017 at 3:08 pm

          No, we don’t. Being in the country illegally is not a crime.

        “There isn’t any ‘reason’ in uprooting a person who is totally enculturated, is law abiding, contributing and wants to be an American. That is how it has always been since the 1st non-Native American came here.”

        Of course there is. These people are here illegally.

        Think of the USA as your hous. You go off on a two week vacation. When you return, there is a group of unknown people living in your house. You did not give them, or anyone else permission to enter into or live in your house. In fact, you have signs on the doors which say “do Not Enter”. You call the police and they tell you that because the people have been living ni your house for two weeks, haven;t done any damage, have mowed tour grass and now are so hooked on reality TV and your swimming pool that they get to stay there, without YOUR approval. Happy with that? Going to belly up to the dinner table with these people and chow down with these folks? Of course you are *snark*.

        As i have noted before, the Congress has had several years to address these adults who were brought here illegally by their parents. And Congress has done nothing. Why is that? A clue. because they value their phony-baloney jobs and know that their constituents would vote them out if they ever passed such a law. Illegally residing in this country is still illegal. And, every single one of these DACA adults KNOW they are violating the law. It is time for them to return to the country of their origination. They are free to apply to reenter this country when they get there.

        tom swift in reply to YellowSnake. | September 1, 2017 at 11:07 am

        Then they were white.

        They also weren’t criminals, willing to blow off American laws which they found inconvenient.

        America has enough home-grown criminals; no need to import more.

          YellowSnake in reply to tom swift. | September 1, 2017 at 3:49 pm

          Let’s see where the investigation of Trump goes. Are you willing to let the investigation continue or are you afraid it might find something nasty? Are you going to dump him if he broke a few inconvenient laws?

        pwaldoch in reply to YellowSnake. | September 1, 2017 at 11:29 am

        Yes we are a nation of Immigrants. That doesn’t mean we take every Tom, Dick or Harry that comes along. Illegal immigrants are a DRAIN upon our nation as a whole. I’m for opening up LEGAL immigration but , yes they need to be able to contribute to our society and become a part of it, not a separate leech off of it. Many of the Dreamers are attempting to contribute and that’s great. I’m willing to give many of them some consideration on a one time basis, but the inflow needs to be stopped and that also means the incentives to come illegally needs to stop. Tough choices need to be made and they can’t be done on an individual basis.

          YellowSnake in reply to pwaldoch. | September 1, 2017 at 3:52 pm

          By definition, the Dreamers are the cream of the crop. That is why it is ridiculous to deport them.

          tom swift in reply to pwaldoch. | September 2, 2017 at 9:09 am

          What definition was that? And what was the rigorous selection process which brought in the “cream of the crop”? I though they were dragged here by their criminal parents. Not a lot of selection involved there.

        CZ75Compact in reply to YellowSnake. | September 2, 2017 at 1:04 pm

        You need to go back.

    Remember what happened at the height of the liberal manta that illegal immigrants were doing the jobs that Americans wouldn’t do? Most of the chicken and much of the meat packing industry lost most of their workers, when raided by ICE, because those workers were illegally in this country. The next day there were long lines of US citizens outside these plants applying for those jobs. This happened in 2001 to Tyson [which was also indicted for actually smuggling illegal immigrants into the US to work in its plant], and later in 2006 and 2008 across the industry. Since then ICE has not conducted any significant raids on the meat packing industry. Interestingly, the meat packing industry is heavily, almost totally, composed of unskilled immigrant labor. Most of whom are NOT citizens of the US. And, that is just one industry during the last seven years of record unemployment, in this country.

    Compassion? Why is your compassion for criminals instead of the 800,000 citizens who would be robbed of jobs if DACA continues???

    These ‘children’ are illegal aliens which makes them criminals. They are not innocent in this. The innocents deserving of everyone’s compassion are the citizens who don’t have a job because an illegal alien was given it through an unconstitutional program.

    What is wrong with you?

Ending DACA would ally some of my fears that Trump is being co-opted by the GOP establishment. It is the right thing to do.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to Matt_SE. | September 1, 2017 at 9:30 am

    I think we should install a few thousand large human cannons along the border, then start promptly lobbing illegals back into Mexico. There should be a TV show showcasing the funniest launch-flight-landings, the same for tragic, like when a repeat offender hits the side of a building.
    Arranging soft landings should be Mexico’s responsibility. I wonder if TV syndication would produce enough revenue to pay for rounding them up? Most certainly the cost and speed of deportations would improve greatly.

Every day in America children suffer from the poor decisions of their parents. If there is any blame it’s on the parents of the children for ignoring the law. Deportations to their native country is not cruel by any means. In some cases the “Dreamers” have received educations at the taxpayers expense. Those educations will serve them well in the future and it will open up employment opportunities for the children of US citizens.

Around the turn of the century, cir. 1900, all my grandparents emigrated to the US from impoverished small towns in the mountains of Sicily. I have been to those towns, they are still impoverished. They gathered enough lire to make the ocean crossing and except for a few tattered clothes left everything they had behind, which was probably no more than a couple of goats.

I have researched Ellis Island records to determine when they entered country. I also researched census records to find, st least, in which decade they became citizens. The census records also allowed me to trace where they originally settled and other relatives they may have lived with or taken in as boarders. It would have been easy for thm to plop themselves into the midst of New York’s or Chicago’s burgeoning Italian communities,and resided there as resident aliens, but they took that extra step to full citizenship. ( As an aside, I remember there used to be an annual public service announcement on TV that all aliens were required to report to a local post office to submit alien registration status forms.)

I find the attitude expressed in news interviews by some undocumented illegal immigrants that they should be entitled to all the benefits of citizenship without taking on the responsibilities of citizenship to be abhorrent. One frequent excuse is that obtaining citizenship takes too long or is too expensive or is just a burden they do not want to deal with. Millions of Irish, Poles, Germans and Italians, and people from every continent before them bore that burden.

One of my business associates, British expat who has now become a US citizen,, said it best. Being a citizen of the US is probably the greatest honor and privilege that can be bestowed upon anyone. He is bewildered by those who want to denigrate it into something meaningless or worse, something to be despised..

    Ronbert in reply to MadisonS. | September 1, 2017 at 9:53 am

    My maternal grandparents also Legally immigrated from Sicily in the early 1900s via Ellis island and took the LEGAL route to citizenship.
    We visited the town they were born in and lived in and it is still poor.

      MadisonS in reply to Ronbert. | September 1, 2017 at 2:14 pm

      My dad liked to say “There are two types of Italians, Sicilians and those who wish they were, mostly as a taunt to his Calabrese friends.”

    Milhouse in reply to MadisonS. | September 1, 2017 at 3:17 pm

    I find the attitude expressed in news interviews by some undocumented illegal immigrants that they should be entitled to all the benefits of citizenship without taking on the responsibilities of citizenship to be abhorrent. One frequent excuse is that obtaining citizenship takes too long or is too expensive or is just a burden they do not want to deal with.

    Bulldust. You are making this up. None of them make this claim, because they can’t become citizens. They’re not eligible.

      MadisonS in reply to Milhouse. | September 1, 2017 at 4:11 pm

      I take notice of numerous publicly available articles published in the San Jose Mercury News and need not say more.

        Milhouse in reply to MadisonS. | September 1, 2017 at 4:47 pm

        I take notice of the fact that illegal immigrants are ineligible for naturalization.

          tom swift in reply to Milhouse. | September 2, 2017 at 9:06 am

          The fact is that the Senate Judiciary Committee says that 1,956 DACA types have already become citizens, and more are in the works.

          The illegality of it all doesn’t seem to be an impediment.

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | September 3, 2017 at 3:37 am

          1,056 actually, but they did it by asking permission, so when they returned they entered legally. That isn’t a path open to all so-called “DREAMers”, and it’s certainly not what any of them are supposed to do or should be expected to do, so MadisonS has no right to blame them for not doing so, let alone accuse them of thinking “they should be entitled to all the benefits of citizenship without taking on the responsibilities of citizenship”. They’d love to be citizens, if they could be.

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | September 3, 2017 at 3:38 am

          Oops, something got lost there. Trying again.

          1,056 actually, but they did it by asking permission to leave and come back, so when they returned they entered legally. That isn’t a path open to all so-called “DREAMers”, and it’s certainly not what any of them are supposed to do or should be expected to do, so MadisonS has no right to blame them for not doing so, let alone accuse them of thinking “they should be entitled to all the benefits of citizenship without taking on the responsibilities of citizenship”. They’d love to be citizens, if they could be.

The fatal flaw with the open border crazys argument is what would happen to the USA if everyone who wanted to come here was allowed. What would happen if a couple billion people came? There wouldn’t be a USA.

buckeyeminuteman | September 2, 2017 at 8:13 am

“We’re either a nation of laws, or we’re not.”

President Trump, either nut up or shut up.

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