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No, Trump Did Not Call neo-Nazis and White Nationalists “Very Fine People”

No, Trump Did Not Call neo-Nazis and White Nationalists “Very Fine People”

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally.”

During a press conference Tuesday President Trump once again commented on the violence in Charlottesville. Naturally, his remarks were instantly mischaracterized to portray Trump as condoning the very neo-Nazis and white supremacists he condemned in a brief speech Monday.

In no time, the political media set began virtue signalling based on inaccurate summations of what Trump said. Heaven forbid media actually listen to or watch the words on which they comment.

This rush to blame without proper knowledge has become a common occurance thanks to summaries like this one. Apparently, taking two minutes to watch the included video is too arduous a task:

Professor Jacobson was having none of it:

Here’s what Trump actually said:

“You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people—on both sides—you had people in that group—excuse me. Excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue, and the re-naming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

Amazingly, everyone rushing to denounce Trump for his remarks they didn’t read or hear missed the whole part where Trump said, “the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists…should be condemned totally.”

“You’re changing history. You’re changing culture, and you had people—and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, OK? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.”

Full remarks here.

It always helps to read what you’re complaining about in entirety. Something about credibility and integrity and those things few are interested in these days.

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They know exactly what he said. They also know their lie will be accepted as truth.

Good for President Trump calling out the Media for refusing to acknowledge the violent leftists that attend these protests.
But they’ll pretend they didn’t hear that.
All the press heard was “Trump likes Nazis.”

Wait, why does his later contextualization of a different comment, in response to a different question, contextualize that earlier comment? And why is anyone bound by your idiosyncratic views of the English language?

I believe the second “condoned” in your first paragraph should be “condemned”.

“Naturally, his remarks were instantly mischaracterized to portray Trump as condoning the very neo-Nazis and white supremacists he condoned in a brief speech Monday”

I think you probably want to re-write that…

Perhaps condemned in place of “condoned”?

The media, the progs, and the so called “conservatives” that are pushing the prog agenda will always distort and lie. It’s what they do.

Yes he did. We can distance ourselves from weirdos, we can step as away from neighbors who stumbled into WrongThought, but it won’t make any difference.

We are all Nazis now. Doesn’t matter what your reality is,The Narrative rules supreme.

I wish we had better fighters. All this seems like a waste of time. I shouldn’t have to drag fellow conservatives by the hair to save the Republic. Maybe that’s it’s fatal flaw – we are going to stay inbounds because our principles are a suicide pact.

    “I wish we had better fighters. All this seems like a waste of time. I shouldn’t have to drag fellow conservatives by the hair to save the Republic. Maybe that’s it’s fatal flaw – we are going to stay inbounds because our principles are a suicide pact.”

    We have great fighters: they’re conservatives, not the scum of the GOPe. (Example: Louis Gohmert.)

    Our fatal flaw has been wasting time with rats like boehner, McConnell, Ryan, McCain, etc. They’re selling out the Republic, not working to save it. They are whores on the level of hillary clinton.

    Welcome to the Second Civil War.

    It’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better. But we’ll win.

    If Jeb! Bush or hillary clinton was in the White House instead of Donald Trump, we’d be toast. But Donald Trump is in the White House, isn’t he…

Pelosi Schmelosi | August 15, 2017 at 6:59 pm

HE FIGHTS!

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2017/08/15/ted-cruz-talks-charlottesville-reporter-becomes-collateral-damage-full-audio/

Conservatives don’t lay down. WE fight. And we do it effectively.

We don’t believe in “be them to beat them”. Because…obviously.

    Pelosi Schmelosi in reply to Ragspierre. | August 15, 2017 at 7:22 pm

    On the Rags again, Pierre, I see.
    If “conservatives” (though I seriously doubt you are one) actual WIN fights, then why does the Left control the media, education system, judiciary, and the Deep State?

    When was the last time we “fought” to win a reduction in the size of govt or the amount it spends?

    The fact is we LOSE…a lot…
    But facts aren’t your strong suit so…

      Ragspierre in reply to Pelosi Schmelosi. | August 15, 2017 at 7:29 pm

      IF you are a conservative (and I seriously doubt you are), you’d be aware that conservatives are pretty strong in governments across the land, and in courts.

      But you like being a loser apparently.

      So, what’s your remedy?

        Pelosi Schmelosi in reply to Ragspierre. | August 15, 2017 at 7:33 pm

        Thanks for NOT answering the questions.
        You’re useless, unless of course it’s to post a bunch of ad homs at another commenter
        Next…

        Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | August 15, 2017 at 7:54 pm

        First, you have no idea what an ad hominem fallacy is.

        Second, you OPENED with a name-calling attack on me.

        Third, some of us fight every day of our lives to win.

        Forth, bugger off, troll.

          Pelosi Schmelosi in reply to Ragspierre. | August 15, 2017 at 9:24 pm

          Poor baby can dish, taking not so much.
          Typical of the lunatic Left

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | August 15, 2017 at 9:32 pm

          You’re rapidly showing yourself to be an idiot.

          I can take all trolling you can fabricate.

          And calling me stupid names just makes you…I dunno…STOOOOOooooooooid.

      ProgPierre confuses having “conservatives” in office with conservative principles winning. They are not the same, just like we don’t have anything resembling a conservative legislature in spite of holding majority’s in both the senate and house.

      We continue to lose because some self proclaimed conservatives continue to campaign as conservatives and vote like progs, or represent only the big money donors that push for legislation benefitting only the big companies, otherwise know as crony capitalists.

      However, people are beginning to see through the charade.

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | August 15, 2017 at 9:51 pm

        Ya know, Butt-hurt Barri, it would be great to have you provide a real clear exposition of your nutter views.

        Go ahead. Take the floor.

        And, you lying SOS, there’s nothing “prog” about me or the other conservatives you HATE.

        Now, let us have the straight Barri. Go on, be brave.

          OK, Proggy.

          The US legislature is now controlled by the republican party, both houses. So, where is all that conservative legislation? Where is the repeal Obama care? You know, the legislation they claimed to be ready to pass, the legislation they would pass as long as a D held office to veto it.

          Explain then, how “winning” has helped anything. You can’t, not at the federal level. The only states that are acting on conservative principles are the ones that have been historically conservative. I don’t see any gains otherwise. That’s an opinion of course, but I’m seeing little change in the big picture.

          The only conservative in Washington DC worth spit at this point is President Trump.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | August 15, 2017 at 10:11 pm

          No, no. C’mon, Barri. You can be WAY more candid than that.

          I’ve seen your nutter views hinted at. Let’s have the real Barri.

          Oh, and, BTW, T-rump is NOT a “conservative”. He’s a New York Progressive who holds the same views as Bernie Sanders on several issues, and believes in BIG GOVERNMENT.

          Now, go for it, Barri. Give us the real stuff!

          Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | August 16, 2017 at 1:23 am

          Just like I thought, you are all hot air.

          Explain that republican controlled legislature not passing an elimination of Obamacare…

          You can’t. The R party in control of everything is not conservative. Period.

          You can make ignorant claims about Trump for as long as you appear and it will change nothing. Compared to the R party he is far and away a conservative.

          President Trump doesn’t dance with the progs like you. He opposes the establishment policy at every turn, unlike you.

          Anyone with an ounce of honesty knows this. That leaves you as a dishonest prog parrot.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | August 16, 2017 at 8:05 am

          You’re a delusional nutter, Barri.

          And a coward.

          The coward is the one that will not answer the simple question.

          Progs got your tongue?

          You should try using some wording that has meaning. Blog Cowards hide and refuse to answer direct questions, like you.

          Go ahead, give it a try. Tell us how the great conservative republican party failed to deliver repeal of Obamacare.

          The answer is simple of course. They know Trump will sign it. And they don’t want repeal of Obamacare.

          A coward just will not admit the truth.

        Pelosi Schmelosi in reply to Barry. | August 15, 2017 at 9:53 pm

        Progs are by nature “confused”

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | August 15, 2017 at 10:03 pm

        Progs, like you, are by nature liars.

        Nobody who reads my posts would consider me “confused” unless I say so. Because I’m honest about being confused.

        WRT, I have no doubt. You’re a lying troll.

    You are absolutely correct.

    No one should EVER confuse “conservatives” with the rats of the GOPe.

    Here’s what the colonists would have done with the likes of boehner, ryan, mccain and mcconnell:

    tarred and feathered:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFWZ925zK0A

    PaulM in reply to Ragspierre. | August 16, 2017 at 9:52 am

    Serious question- and not just for you Rags, but for everyone using the term – what does it take to be considered a conservative?

    Does a Libertarian, who generally holds conservative fiscal views, but generally liberal social views, count as a conservative?

    Does a NeoCon, who generally holds conservative social views, but generally liberal fiscal views, count as a conservative?

    Or, do only those holding generally holds conservative fiscal and social views count as a conservative?

    It’s been my experience that many Libertarians consider themselves conservative, but do not consider NeoCons conservative. At the same time, many NeoCons consider themselves conservative, and do not consider Libertarians conservative. Also, many who hold both fiscal and social conservative views do not consider Libertarians or NeoCons to be conservative.

    Could this be a source of much of the disagreement over who is or, or is not, a conservative?

      Ragspierre in reply to PaulM. | August 16, 2017 at 10:15 am

      I’ll refer you to what Mark Levin says on the subject. Basically, conservatism is a way of thinking and a way of life.

      Conservatives are not herd animals, and there is a lot of excellent and healthy diversity of thought, but a few general ideas are held in common. Basically, we are the heirs of the Revolution and its principles. We like people, and we think they should be at liberty to make the best of themselves and life. We know that government…especially the federal government…is a dangerous tool, and we seek to make it as weak as possible, while still doing what it was chartered to do.

      I hope that helps.

      One thing that has become apparent is that a lot of people who called or call themselves conservatives never were. Not really. There are a lot of “rightists”, but a few conservatives.

      Milhouse in reply to PaulM. | August 16, 2017 at 10:17 am

      Neocons do not hold “liberal” fiscal views. The key differences between neocons and LP-type libertarians are foreign policy and the size of government.

      Milhouse in reply to PaulM. | August 16, 2017 at 10:21 am

      Basically neocons want fiscal policy rolled back to about 1965, while libertarians want it back at 1925.

        PaulM in reply to Milhouse. | August 16, 2017 at 10:56 am

        Yes Milhouse, I should not have used the word fiscal.

        It seems to me, NeoCons grow the government just as liberals do – just different parts of the government, and for different reasons.

It’s getting so I can’t listen to the “news” any more. They’re in a full court press to destroy Trump, and I just don’t want to hear any more. I even turned off Rush today because I couldn’t stand to hear the sound bites he was playing.

Pelosi Schmelosi | August 15, 2017 at 7:32 pm

Oh yeah he’s a “real” conservative when it comes to free speech…LOL

Ted Cruz Says Donald Trump Is to Blame for Violence at His Rallies
https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/11/ted-cruz-says-donald-trump-is-to-blame-for-violence-at-his-rallies/

    Ragspierre in reply to Pelosi Schmelosi. | August 15, 2017 at 7:55 pm

    So, you’re quoting with approval the NYT’s reading of Cruz?

    Amazing.

    I don’t believe anything the NYTimes prints.

      Milhouse in reply to Helen. | August 16, 2017 at 10:26 am

      There’s nothing wrong with what the NYT printed in this instance. Cruz did say that Trump was responsible for the violence at his rallies, because he encouraged it.

      “When the candidate urges supporters to engage in physical violence, to punch people in the face, the predictable consequence of that is that it escalates,” Mr. Cruz said. “And today is unlikely to be the last such instance.”

      That’s absolutely true. Trump did do that, and it had the predictable consequences. What has any of that to do with free speech? Or with what happened this weekend?

Confused about the event Friday night and what occurred. How many people participated in the torchlight march and what was said?

That said, the blind accusations need to stop before a real backlash occurs and there is no looking back.

“Pretty strong in government across the nation’s

Yes, we are building a supermajority for the day we need to surrender for the promise of future negotiations.

And when Mitch finally gets his 60 seat majority, he will find brand new ways to fail.

The GOP dominance across the nation will provide opportunity to hone the art of losing gracefully

    Ragspierre in reply to Fen. | August 15, 2017 at 7:56 pm

    Well, then open your wrists right now. Why wait?

    clintack in reply to Fen. | August 15, 2017 at 8:02 pm

    We can either have a majority in both houses of Congress and in state houses and state legislatures across the country *OR* we can have all Republican officeholders agreeing on every major point of our agenda.

    We can’t have both.

President Trump is the politician I’ve been waiting for my whole life. The courage it took to stand up to the media machine and say “NO – I’m not going along with your narrative” is stunning. Let the manufactured outrage commence 3,2,1………………

the emperor has no clothes

“Really proud of him,” @RichardBSpencer texts.

IF true, that’s just swell. Major home-run for Der Donald.

NOT…

    Sanddog in reply to Ragspierre. | August 15, 2017 at 10:34 pm

    Rags, come on. If Spencer likes that he denounced, antifa… So Freaking What. Is that going to suddenly make you think the thugs who use violence to prevent freedom of speech and assembly are on the side of the angels? If Spencer likes the 1st amendment, should we remove it from the Constitution?

      Ragspierre in reply to Sanddog. | August 15, 2017 at 10:47 pm

      Really stupid comment.

      I’d still like your list of conservatives who suggested that T-rump was the provocateur vis N. Korea.

      Waiting…

        Sanddog in reply to Ragspierre. | August 16, 2017 at 2:11 am

        Why is it stupid? Did it hit a little too close to home?

        You know, I didn’t want Trump either but he’s there so why don’t you put on your damned big boy pants and start acting like a rational adult who give a shit about trying to move forward.

          Ragspierre in reply to Sanddog. | August 16, 2017 at 8:08 am

          Another really stupid comment.

          Where’s that list? I’m beginning to think you really don’t like the truth much at all.

          And sucking T-rump is not how you advance the national welfare. Not any more than sucking Obama.

    Milhouse in reply to Ragspierre. | August 16, 2017 at 10:32 am

    What scum like Spencer are proud or ashamed of shouldn’t make any difference. Having his approval is not a home-run, but neither is it strike-out. It’s completely irrelevant, and it’s as wrong to craft policy with a view to gaining his disapproval as it is to do so with a view to gaining his approval.

Commentary reports that Trump was back to re-tweeting alt-right nutcase Josh Posobiec on Monday evening.

Meanwhile: 39 shootings in Chicago this weekend, 9 deaths. No national media outrage. Why is that? https://t.co/9Crutnnrp8— Jack Posobiec ???????? (@JackPosobiec) August 14, 2017

No national media outrage. Why is that?” Chicago’s crime epidemic deserves media coverage, to be sure, but so does a white-nationalist rally that ends with a motor-vehicle rampage, the death of one innocent and the maiming of at least 19 others.

More notable was the author of the tweet, Jack Posobiec. The activist and “reporter” is a creature of the alt-right fever swamps. He wouldn’t deserve a minute’s attention but for the fact that he has now been thrust into global prominence by the leader of the Free World.

Posobiec has described Richard Spencer, the organizer of the Charlottesville night of the long torches, as “indispensable.” He has peddled the conspiracy theory that Democrats ran a pedophilia ring out of a Washington pizza parlor. Most bizarre, by my lights, is his claim that globalist forces have drugged French President Emmanuel Macron since his earliest days and are now using him as a puppet.

“It may be a way that they found this guy [Macron] very, very young,” he told the conspiracy network Infowars in May, “and they were using that to essentially turn him into a puppet, turn him into a marionette, and now they’re plying him with drugs, keeping him drugged up and getting him to do whatever they want.”

The expression that comes to mind is double discourse. The president offers one set of messages when he is scripted and facing media pressure while telegraphing something else–sometimes the diametric opposite–when addressing his nutsy online base. As for his defenders in the conservative media, the ones who are convinced that a responsible, presidential Trump is just around the corner: He will always disappoint you. And with each disappointment comes a fresh dose of humiliation.

    Milhouse in reply to gad-fly. | August 16, 2017 at 10:38 am

    This is ironically just as conspiracy-theorist as what it condemns. It assumes that Trump is aware of who this person is and everything he has ever said, and that there’s some sinister subtext in his choosing to retweet something sensible in this this person’s name rather than in someone else’s. I’ve never heard of Prosobiec, and if I came across that particular tweet of his I might well retweet it just because it makes sense. That would not indicate any sort of endorsement of him or whatever his views may be. What’s the basis for assuming otherwise when Trump does it?

In all this mass hysteria, has anyone posted what Richard Spencer actually stands for?

    Sanddog in reply to snopercod. | August 15, 2017 at 10:36 pm

    Well, obviously he’s a white supremacist.

    He’s also a collectivist.

    He also in favor of Universal Healthcare.

    If Bernie were a white supremacist, he and Spencer would be ideological brothers.

      Ragspierre in reply to Sanddog. | August 15, 2017 at 10:52 pm

      Another remarkably stupid post.

      Anyone can read up on Spencer. I have. About a year ago, when there were posters declaiming that there was no such thing as an Alt-Right. I read his shit. If you haven’t, shame on you.

Rag: “Open your wrists

Note that you were the one who turned the personal. Be sure to mention that when you run and cry to the Prof again.

But thanks. Your latest personal attack tells us you are full of it when you pretend you stand for “principle”. I’ve always wondered if all this talk about Principles was just cover for cowardice, now I know.

And far from slitting my wrists, I’m joining the alt right. At least they fight for what they believe in.

    Ragspierre in reply to Fen. | August 15, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    “Joining”…???

    Bullshit. You’ve been Alt-Right for some time, while pretending otherwise.

    I remember you. You think that your broad hint of violence at Mueller’s children went unnoticed? You were too big a coward to make it plain.

    Or your comment about broken plate-glass windows in response to business that “bullied” you?

    You are no different than Black Anarchists.

    And I didn’t “personally attack” you. Given your statements, it was a valid question.

    But we’ve got you smoked now.

    Ragspierre in reply to Fen. | August 15, 2017 at 9:06 pm

    “Be sure to mention that when you run and cry to the Prof again.”

    But, as usual, you suffer from deep delusions. The Prof. has an email account. Ask him if I’ve done that.

    Still butt-hurt from be cautioned, I see. I predict you won’t be here much longer, and I’ll have nothing to do with it.

    Though I will laugh.

    Pelosi Schmelosi in reply to Fen. | August 15, 2017 at 9:21 pm

    Rags acts just like a Left-Tard.
    Blatantly obvious

    Milhouse in reply to Fen. | August 16, 2017 at 10:40 am

    Joining? You’ve been one of them since the beginning. Nazi scum.

Rags, go away. You don’t even know what the alt-right is.

And you’re not even worth trolling.

    Ragspierre in reply to Fen. | August 15, 2017 at 9:06 pm

    Sure I do.

    And I’ll be right here, honey.

      Pelosi Schmelosi in reply to Ragspierre. | August 15, 2017 at 9:18 pm

      Right here avoiding questions and acting like a blowhard.
      HAHAHAHA

        Ragspierre in reply to Pelosi Schmelosi. | August 15, 2017 at 9:24 pm

        Now, see, THAT is ad hominem, troll. I answered your question, btw.

        “Third, some of us fight every day of our lives to win.”

        You should learn to read.

        OR you can invoke the NYT for their opinion of conservatives…

        Up to you, really.

          Pelosi Schmelosi in reply to Ragspierre. | August 15, 2017 at 9:33 pm

          Dishes, can’t take….just like the Left
          Deflection….just like the Left
          Can’t handle the truth…just like the Left
          Runs to the “moderator”…just like the Left
          Please do carry on, I’m enjoying watching you expose yourself fir the poseur you really are.
          Moar pu-leeeeze

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | August 15, 2017 at 9:35 pm

          Except those are lies, you know it, and you’re too stupid to stop.

          I’ll always be here, showing you morons for what you are.

          I insist on the truth. You really seem to love lies.

          Pelosi Schmelosi in reply to Ragspierre. | August 15, 2017 at 9:40 pm

          And on cue, just like the Left, everything is a “lie”.
          You’ve become predictable.
          Congrats!

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | August 15, 2017 at 9:45 pm

          No. Just like the left, you lie and expect people to accept your lies.

          Not everything is a lie. Lies are lies. And you are a lying machine!

          Pelosi Schmelosi in reply to Ragspierre. | August 15, 2017 at 9:51 pm

          ProgPierre describes you to a T. I kinda like that one.
          All of us here see it regularly so your defense is worthless
          Sorry the truth hurts….no not really
          Carry on…

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | August 15, 2017 at 9:55 pm

          Yeh. You should use that one in all your stupid trolling in the future.

          There’s no truth in you.

          BTW, you just resorted to the “popular opinion fallacy”. But you’re, again, too stupid to know that.

          Pelosi Schmelosi in reply to Ragspierre. | August 15, 2017 at 10:12 pm

          The only “fallacy here is YOU trying to convince us that you’re even remotely conservative.
          Nice try though…no not really

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | August 15, 2017 at 10:15 pm

          But, stupid, you’re lying again. I am one of the very FEW conservatives here, and I don’t even give a good shit about trash like you.

          You are just drek.

        Pelosi Schmelosi in reply to Pelosi Schmelosi. | August 15, 2017 at 10:18 pm

        LIES LIES LIES…and then more name-calling.
        You couldn’t act more like a Left-Tard if you tried.

        BTW I looked up “blowhard” in the dictionary and, low and behold, your picture was right there next to Trump’s.

Pelosi Schmelosi | August 15, 2017 at 10:28 pm

ProgPierre writes…
“I don’t even give a good shit about trash like you.”
…while he spends an entire evening answering my posts…
just can’t make this up folks…

Rmember how this whole shit-storm started?

Conservatives don’t fight.

I think we’ve at least laid THAT lie to rest.

Another day at Legal Insurrection, another day of everyone having to put up with Rag’s insecurity and self-esteem issues.

Would you please not make the rest of us unwilling participants in your daily therapy sessions? You’re like a teenage girl, drama drama drama, me me me.

I don’t know what has happened to you, but you need to get it together, act like an adult male, and stop bleeding in public.

Do you have any idea how tiresome it is for everyone else to put up with your tantrums and meltdowns almost every day? Up your game.

    Ragspierre in reply to Fen. | August 16, 2017 at 8:13 am

    Speaking of tantrums, I thought you were joining the Alt-Right (which you really did some time back)?

    You should feel really out of place here. Especially after feeling all that butt-hurt because you were called down SOOOOOOooooooooo unfairly.

I’m surprised fuzzy hasn’t rushed in yet and accused several of you of being me. Based naturally on her internet sleuthing and other er uh “skills”. After that she will accuse you of stalking her or LI or both.

😉

    Ragspierre in reply to garybritt. | August 16, 2017 at 8:14 am

    Letting you back after banning you was a big mistake.

      I don’t post here much any longer. After Trump defeated the last of the GOPe and regional niche candidates like Cruz and then finished off Hillary and the dems my work here supporting President Trump and opposing your immature childish tirades was over.

      My side won. You went down in flames along with all your predictions and grade school language. You’ve been nursing your butt hurt here in public ever since.

        Ragspierre in reply to garybritt. | August 16, 2017 at 10:25 pm

        “This election isn’t about conservative principles”…

        Gary (The Liar) Britt.

        And for you, that was right. You never really had any principles to speak of. At all.

        You don’t post here because you made yourself a hiss and a byword with your lies and truly disgusting T-rump sucking, such as your attacks on Sen. Cruz’s wife in service to your Great Goad Cheeto.

        Who was never, is not now, and will never be anything but a lying, pathological, Collectivist fraud.

        But enjoy the boondoggle “T-rumpulous” that he’s seeking with Schumer’s eager assistance, you Keynesian thug.

          The election wasn’t about who was the most conservative. That is called a reality based factual observation.

          But reality is something you know very little about. Hence your constant confusion and irrational and childish anger and name calling against everyone.

          Excepting Flake Sasse and McCain of course.

          You, like Cruz, were Hillary supporters because in your warped mind that was what conservatism demanded.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | August 17, 2017 at 9:11 am

          Your are still the master liar you ever were. And very little else.

    Barry in reply to garybritt. | August 16, 2017 at 12:41 pm

    Fuzzy made some mistakes like we all do. But she is genuine in her assessments and committed to freedom and liberty.

    As she has shown repeatedly.

      Overall your comments about Fuzzy may be mostly accurate, except when it came to her interactions with me and her defense of the indefensible.

        Barry in reply to garybritt. | August 16, 2017 at 2:51 pm

        No, you were way out of line. And that is simply a fact. You let your tantrum with ProgPierre get to you and cloud your thinking. You got down to the level of nastiness that ProgPierre pushed you into.

          What you assert is a fact is merely your opinion. It is an opinion I do not share. As in the past I continue to enjoy your posts however.

          Barry in reply to Barry. | August 16, 2017 at 5:12 pm

          Not to put to fine a point on it, but when you go after the blogs owner and contributors and get nasty about it, you step over the line. It doesn’t matter at all that you think they are wrong, or defending the wrong person.

          Had that not occurred you would have been fine.

          Except you are wrong. I never did any such thing. Fuzzy and Rags constantly tried to attack me. I responded and not in any way as nasty as the double team attacks they launched against me on numerous occasions. I never ever went after the Professor period. On numerous occasions I asked them to ignore my posts since they claimed I was of no consequence, but ignoring my posts wasn’t what they wanted. They wanted to attack me and try to silence me and my support for Trump. Didn’t work. Trump won. They lost.

          Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | August 16, 2017 at 10:12 pm

          You’re the same pathetic liar you ever were.

          Callng Fuzzy a “filthy whore” was all you.

          Puuuuurrrr, puuuuurrr put upon baby. What a typical T-rump “supporter”.

          As you well no I did not call neverTrumper Fuzzy a literal whore but a whore for Cruz. No different than saying the main stream media is a whore for the Democrat party. it was also a label that applied to you as well. Now that Cruz is gone and the election is over you are now just a whore for the Flake/McCain/Sasse/Kristol neverTrump nut jobs.

          Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | August 17, 2017 at 9:13 am

          You’re a liar, Britt. THAT’S what I know, and so do so many others you have had to tuck you tail here.

          Since your opinions and assertions are so meaningless and unimportant and garner no respect as evidenced by all the down votes your posts gather, I’m not worried.

          Take your crazy somewhere else. We’re all full up here.

          Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | August 17, 2017 at 12:24 pm

          Just your lies and resort to fallacy. All you’ve got.

          Oh, and your limp-dick shutupery.

          You are a known quantity here, and that’s why your tucked tail.

The entire turd-swirl of T-rump sucking cultists show up to keep the crap here in the air.

And what an AMAZING show of projection…!!! Makes the light shows they put on whole city-scapes pale by comparison.

And note that each of these morons trolls ME. I didn’t address them first.

    Don’t inflate your importance. Your just one of the visible prog enablers on LI and therefore get rebutted.

    And for the record, you long ago responded to me with name calling, attacks on character, calling me your enemy, etc.

    I just responded in kind. Your worse than the progs in many ways as you cover for them under the cover of “conservative”.

    You are in every way just like McCain, Graham, Rubio, Ryan and the rest of the supposed conservative republican party. All talk. No action that is remotely conservative. All while ignoring real conservative accomplishment and furthering of the American way of life.

    3.8% growth predicted
    https://www.frbatlanta.org/cqer/research/gdpnow.aspx?panel=1

    Upsets you I know.

      Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | August 16, 2017 at 10:14 pm

      You are irrational.

      I’m all for a good growth rate. I’ll be happy to see it happen, not be “predicted”.

      And as between you an I, you are the “prog”.

      Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | August 16, 2017 at 10:29 pm

      “Don’t inflate your importance.”

      Oh, I don’t…!!!

      You guys trolling me and falling on me like a pack of AntiFa says it all.

      Now, deny that happened here. You poor nutter.

I liked this speech quite a lot. Trump is correct. There are two identity-political groups at dispute here, at least two, one protesting legally and the other there specifically for a righteous fight, while leaving unstated due to its disputability, both are genuinely born of the left. That is, you wouldn’t be hearing anything at all about mostly white groups defending historic statues of Southern slave owners were it not for black groups, Democrat, and self-righteous liberals claiming to be opposing fascism and Nazism, Democrats, from Confederate slaveowners, Democrats. Honestly, it’s Democrat on Democrat on Democrat. And if you care to argue the fine points in that, then, liberal on liberal on liberal.

But I honestly don’t care. La la la.

It is clearly liberals creating all of the disruption while claiming otherwise. While rational people see right through their vicious worked up intellectual/emotional confusion. It’s the worst show. Their precious delicate false world crumbles around them and like the children they are, they act out. There aren’t enough Freuds in the galaxy to sort their mental/emotional disturbances.

But I don’t care about that either. La la la.

Worse, our retarded American journalism class is a very large part of our country’s problem and that runs across the full spectrum. They don’t care to report what they see, no, they’ve not just become part of events they report, no, they honestly believe it’s their appointed duty to shape events, to structure American values, all liberal, that they participate in and then report as if disinterested observers even as they editorialize with every single report. And they are too unworthy to do any such thing. They’re too stupid for that.

So die for real already. They’re well professionally already dead and cremated to me. I don’t listen to a thing these undead zombies say. La la la.

I like to remind them Hillary will never be anyone’s president just to irritate the living sh|t out them. For fun. Had Trump supporters not stoped them, we’d truly be living under straight up fascism today with the joyful acceptance and support of the entire left. No government sin too large to report. So much better having them permanently angry, forever worked up out of their minds, then ever having them anywhere near the levers of federal power. True crackpots all. Best election ever. So splendidly clarifying.

I wake up every morning with a broad smile across my face realizing their entire corrupted political edifice is crumbled and burning and pouring out black smoke.

While I have no misconception that Democrat party is going anywhere. Oldest political party on Earth. United States will always need a gigantic catch basin for worked up crackpots. And Democrat party is it.

Trump supporters, you surprised me. You really did. Well done.

Who, other than the lie-stream media itself, do we have to confirm that the alt-right people were in fact neo-Nazis and white supremacists? They would apply those labels to a book club meeting of grandmothers if they thought it would advance their political agenda.

    Ragspierre in reply to randian. | August 16, 2017 at 10:48 pm

    All extraneous bullshit aside, the Alt-Right ARE “white nationalists”, disgustingly anti-Semitic, and DO have common cause with neo-Nazis.

    If you don’t KNOW that, you need to do some reading. Oh, and get your moral compass re-calibrated…

      randian in reply to Ragspierre. | August 16, 2017 at 11:09 pm

      I’m not inclined to take your word for it.

      Jackie in reply to Ragspierre. | August 17, 2017 at 11:02 am

      I don’t even know who the alt right is. I heard from several sources that Steve Bannon, Sebastian Gorka and several others in the Trump administration are alt right. Do you define them as alt right?
      If you mean People like Richard Spencer as alt right then I would agree with you. The problem is there is no objective media.

        Ragspierre in reply to Jackie. | August 17, 2017 at 11:15 am

        The Alt-Right are who they are. You can easily read up on this sick movement.

        Within the last few days, Bannon repudiated them. Which is strange…

        Read up on that, too.

Good! Excellent! Fine!

DON’T. Learn. Read for yourself (as I suggested).

NEVER accept a bald statement as fact without inquiry.

And I have NO problem with you verifying what I said. No fears.

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