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To disrupt like the Left, or not to disrupt: that is the question (Reader Poll)

To disrupt like the Left, or not to disrupt: that is the question (Reader Poll)

Disruption of controversial anti-Trump Shakespeare in the Park event

Shakespeare in the Park’s horrific and offensive rendition of Julius Caesar with Caesar as President Trump being killed has created a lot of controversy, and some advertisers have pulled their sponsorship as a result.

Last night, Laura Loomer of The Rebel media, opted not to stand outside and protest but instead entered the venue and rushed the stage to decry the “normalization” of violence against the right. Jack Posobiec, also of Rebel Media, was in the audience screaming about Goebbels and the “blood of Steve Scalise” being on their hands.

Heat Street reports:

Right-wing activists Jack Posobiec and Laura Loomer disrupted a Friday night showing of the controversial Shakespeare in the Park rendition of “Julius Caesar” as an act of protest against the assassination scene where a President Donald Trump lookalike is stabbed by his senate cohorts.

A video was tweeted out by Posobiec at 9:13 PM showing Loomer rushing the stage and yelling that the scene was an “act of political violence against the right.”  She proceeded to scream it was “unacceptable” before a woman over a megaphone announced that the play was paused.  The crowd began booing as she was escorted off the premises by security.

As Loomer is taken away, Posobiec stands up and accuses audience members of being like Joseph Goebbels, the infamous Nazi propaganda minister.  Posobiec also yelled that the blood of shot Republican Congressman Steve Scalise is on the hands of those in attendance.

The theater released the following statement:

The reaction to this disruption was swift and mixed, with some arguing it’s proper to use leftist tactics against the left, and others saying the “right” should not sink to that level.

Some on the right clearly believe that it is time to begin using the tactics of the left, including this type of disruption.

What say you?

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What poll?

And does it include taking rifle potshots at political opponents?

    DINORightMarie in reply to tom swift. | June 17, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    The only way you will see the poll is if you turn off Ad-blocker. Also can’t see the Tweets in graphic form.

    Which is HORRIBLE, IMHO – my computer’s performance on this page, and computer performance overall, is impacted significantly when I come to the sight now, and has been since that change or “upgrade” and I turned off Ad-blocker for this page.

    With great sadness I say that I often don’t comment anymore, or do more than browse the articles, as the jumping around as ads load, and re-load makes the page nearly stroboscopic (it’s still my favorite site on the web for Conservative posts), and the poor performance due to the ads. 🙁

    (In fact, the typing of this comment is stilted and slow as I watch the ads load and reload at the bottom of my browser window, flashing continually……. A poor UX.)

    William A. Jacobson in reply to tom swift. | June 17, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    There are several comments about the poll not being visible. In all likelihood that has nothing to do with an ad blocker, but with the fact that the poll uses javascript. Your browser may be set to block javascript or it is not enabled.

    If you are viewing the post on a mobile device, there’s a decent likelihood you are viewing the AMP version of the page. AMP pages do not load javascript. For more on AMP, and why we use it, see this article At the end of every AMP post there is a link to click over to the actual mobile website, which should load the poll.

    As to other comments about slow loading, I’m unable to replicate those issues. We test with multiple browsers, and while our site is not the fastest, it’s far from the slowest. I just did a pingdom test and we fully load in just over 6 seconds,!/cX35GU/ While we’d love to improve that, I’ve not experienced multiple loading, etc. Sometimes it’s the reader’s browser that’s the problem. Based on reader experiences for people who have contacted me directly, clearing the browser cache solves the problem most of the time.

      DINORightMarie in reply to William A. Jacobson. | June 18, 2017 at 6:23 am

      Sorry to say this, Professor, but Fuzzy and many others are the ones who said it, in comments – both in the past, and again on the comment below, that the Adblock needed to be turned off to take polls. And they are right. I can now take polls, when I do NOT have Adblock on. I lost the ability to do that after years without issue after an update or upgrade was made a short time ago. There was quite a comment thread about it, as I recall.

      BTW – I just turned Adblock off so that I can post this comment because the performance, the continuous reloading of ads, made the comment block jumping, the screen-hopping, too hard to complete the post.

      I love your blog, Professor, and I will continue to read, and post. But I am not some neophyte who doesn’t know how to use a computer. I am a tech professional, a programmer, who has been working in the field for years, on and off.

      The Adblock does affect the page’s performance, and the ability to see and take polls. Turning off Adblock does allow surveys to both display and be taken.

        “BTW – I just turned Adblock off so that I can post this comment because the performance, the continuous reloading of ads, made the comment block jumping, the screen-hopping, too hard to complete the post.”

        I do not use adblockers and often have the same problem but not the problem seeing the poll. Flushing the cache sometimes helps, most of the time not. It comes and goes. Sometimes lasts for a couple weeks, then bam, everything works fine. Then a month or two later it comes back. Can’t type a comment (no applause please 🙂 ), but a letter or two at a time, scrolling gets jumpy, etc. When it gets like that I just open notepad, type the comment there then paste it. Otherwise it wouldn’t happen.

        Sammy Finkelman in reply to DINORightMarie. | June 18, 2017 at 9:27 pm

        I’m not having a problem – and I don’t see any ads either.

        Don’t see the preview either on this computer.

        There were problems with Legal Insurrection in the past. I as worried about getting things downloaded.

        Maybe this computer is too slow.

        Hi Marie, please don’t be upset, the prof and our IT team are trying to figure out what is wrong. As he noted, we cannot recreate the issues readers report, so we are just guessing at this point. I view LI on my computer (with ad-blocker), iPad, Kindle, and phone, and I have never once experienced the issues readers report. This is not to say they aren’t happening, just that we can’t replicate them.

        No one is denigrating you or your tech savvy; we just can’t replicate the problem on our own devices and thus cannot isolate an issue and fix it.

        William A. Jacobson in reply to DINORightMarie. | June 19, 2017 at 5:31 pm

        I have no doubt that running ads does create some viewing problems, but there is no economic alternative. CPM ads are our single largest source of revenue. Viewing the website is free, but running it isn’t. We could make a lot more if we did what almost every other website does, pop-ups, pop-overs, pop-unders, auto-run video ads. We don’t do that, but the economics of running a website are such that eliminating ads altogether is not an option.

          VaGentleman in reply to William A. Jacobson. | June 20, 2017 at 12:00 am

          I would be willing to pay a fee ($12 / yr?) for a premium membership that eliminated all ads.

          Meanwhile, to help diagnose since you can’t duplicate the problem, and I have it consistently. I am running Firefox, Linux and using Comcast as ISP. Anyone else with the problem care to share? Maybe there’s a common thread.

Henry Hawkins | June 17, 2017 at 11:46 am

The Public Theater Shakespearian play, Kathy Griffin’s beheaded Trump graphic, Jack Posobiec and Laura Loomer’s onstage protest, etc., none of this accomplishes anything beyond pissing the other side off. But they started it!

Your (not posted yet) poll question ought to read:

Should the Right become just as assholish as the Left?

Humphrey's Executor | June 17, 2017 at 11:50 am

Yes, Alinsky right back at ’em. But keep it non-violent.

It’s time for those of us who love liberty to get off our sofas, put down the keyboard and get out on the battlefield. There should have been 100 protesters at that play. Our forefathers didn’t expel the British by refusing to disrupt. The time for trying to persuade is over. The time for action is now!

    C. Lashown in reply to PaddyORyan. | June 17, 2017 at 12:44 pm

    Totally agree! It’s time to break with conservative and GOP tradition, separating broad posteriors from big cushions! I’ve been especially impressed with the non-violent antics of the Antifa movement – such as throwing ziploc bags of urine into the opposition.

    Contemplation of a possible end result bothers me though. How can anyone guarantee against severe escalation, such as running gun battles in the streets?

      DaveGinOly in reply to C. Lashown. | June 17, 2017 at 5:06 pm

      Until now, the Left has benefited from the luxury of not having to worry about escalation because the Right hasn’t been on the battlefield. Control of the battlefield during the fight usually determines who controls the battlefield after the fight. The side that controls the field after a battle has historically been considered the winner. Why should the Right allow the Left the luxury of not having to fear escalation? Fear of escalation would be held in common and would tend to dissuade both parties from becoming overly aggressive and offensive. (Remember MAD? It worked, didn’t it?)

      Or is there not to be a battle? Has the Right already lost?

      I tell thee truly, herald, I know not if the day be ours or not…

        Sanddog in reply to DaveGinOly. | June 18, 2017 at 2:39 am

        I can appreciate the comparison to MAD. The left seems to want a war… but they want it one sided. They want to be able to attack the right without fear of retaliation. If they started getting beat down in the streets and were promised a violent response if they gathered in public, would it make them back down? We all have to be able to live together and that means they can no longer get their own way by bullying the right into submission. Do they even understand the can of worms they’ve opened?

    Everyone who signed the Declaration of Independence fully understood that they were signing their death warrant and would be dragged to London in chains and paraded in cages through the streets before being publicly hanged were they caught. That is why John Hancock signed his signature so boldly, to encourage other signers of his personal conviction.

    Few had the luxury of idly sitting sat home on sofas back then. Survival was hard and little was convenient. Death was everywhere even in the best of times. The threat of losing our freedoms today is much less tangible. We are in such a fog that we refuse to believe the obvious. We don’t even need to be gas-lighted.

    Trying to get anyone to attend local Tea Party rallies a few years ago was like asking people to tight-walk across the Grand Canyon. If people can’t even risk going to a picnic, what will they do when the commissars start dragging their family and neighbors out of their homes? What will it take?

The left looks like fools with their antics, so if you want to look like fools too, you have that right. I won’t stop you, but I won’t join you.

The thought of trying to think (and act) like a liberal scares me.

    rdmdawg in reply to rinardman. | June 17, 2017 at 5:41 pm

    Everyone here is open to better suggestions, if you have any, speak up, because, God-knows, what we’ve been doing for the last 80 years to fight back has been utterly ineffective.

      rinardman in reply to rdmdawg. | June 17, 2017 at 6:28 pm

      Utterly ineffective? What do you consider ‘effective’?

      Republican President. Republican controlled Congress. A conservative appointed to SCOTUS, and possibly more coming. Turning back eight years of Dimocrat damage to our country. Dimocrats and their mainstream media complex running around like chickens with their heads cut off, blindly lashing out at the Republican successes. Dimocrat wacko driven to attempted mass killing of Republicans.

      Yeah, I see your point.

        Barry in reply to rinardman. | June 18, 2017 at 2:26 am

        “Republican controlled Congress.”

        To be blunt, they’re the problem, not the solution. No difference between most of them and the commie/progs from the other party.

          Ah yes, the Paul Ryan is JUST LIKE Bernie Sanders talking point. How novel! We’ve never heard this before. You must be some kind of genius to see the clear connections between Ryan and Bernie. They’re ideological twins!

          Or something.

          Good grief, do you people even think before you spew your illogical nonsense? (Hint: That’s a rhetorical question; it’s crystal clear that you don’t.)

          Barry in reply to Barry. | June 18, 2017 at 9:58 am

          Fuzzy, tell us again how supporting Trump would cause us to lose the senate and maybe the house…

          Trump support saved the senate and held the house far above the best expectations.

          While I made no equivalence or statement about Ryan/Sanders, the problem is the Ryan party, not bernie Sanders.

          You’ll never get that. You seem to think if you just elect republicans everything will be fine. Clue: It is the republicans blocking any prog reversing legislation. Only Trump, through policy and EO is doing anything worthwhile.

          Good points, Barry. But what we need to recognize, just as the Dems need to recognize, is that not every district or state is the same. Just as Dems can’t waltz into Virginia and campaign on killing coal and on enacting gun-grabbing policies, the GOP can’t trumpet self-determination in purple or blue districts that rely on government handouts.

          Tell me again how you think purity tests for Republicans in blue or purple states will help Trump or America? You disdain Mitch McConnell and for good reason, but he’s an expert at herding his caucus and extracting the votes he needs when he needs them. That includes “blue” or “purple” Republicans. Any Democrat, including moderates like Manchin, will ALWAYS vote against the GOP if their vote tips the scales against Republicans.

          My thinking . . . a squishy Republican is better by far than a Pelosi-Schumer puppet. But hey, I may be wrong. Let’s fight against our own party, push out the ickies in favor of regressive loons (a Democrat is better than a RINO, right?), and then see what happens. Goodness knows it’s impossible to predict how that would work out . . . . /smh

        Sanddog in reply to rinardman. | June 18, 2017 at 2:41 am

        And with all that winning, they’re still kicking our asses in the culture war. What does that tell you?

The question always left unanswered is what do we become if we do not use their tactics of disruption?

In pre prog America, no one would have put up with such despicable productions such as this. Why should we now? In 1950 American citizens would have already shut this down.

Where are we now? We allow the commie progs to disrupt without penalty, to perpetrate violence without penalty, indeed, to commit murder by proxy without penalty.

Bless Laura Loomer. She has guts.

    TPHobbit in reply to Barry. | June 17, 2017 at 8:23 pm

    Not only that but we are paying for this tax supported garbage, at least those of us living in the People’s Republic of NY State.

Miss Slippers(aka Fuzzy)… Although I voted Yea, an Eye for an Eye”, I would be very satisfied if the left was prosecuted for every criminal act they have indulged themselves in for the past 18 months.

Likewise, if the local police force refuse to uphold the local or state laws, then they to should be held accountable. ‘Free Speech’, regardless of their claims of innocence, doesn’t give anyone the right to suggest and encourage murder. Also, there is much from the last eight years that should be prosecuted, IMHO. A new broom is supposed to sweep clean, eh?

While this level of disrespect to a sitting President is horrific, it is protected speech. The problem with this particular presentation is the fact that it is a thinly veiled partisan political attack which is being partially funded by the US government. And, there’s the rub.

Should a government be allowed to finance political speech which is abhorrent to a significant number of the citizens whom it represents? And, if such public funding is provided, does this then give any citizen the right to use this platform to deliver his own political views? If a publicly funded production seemingly argues for the assassination of a currently sitting, elected official, should citizens have the right to use that publicly funded venue to present contrasting and opposing views? If so, then such disruption would also be protected speech, as the venue is funded by a public entity, the government.

Using a publicly funded venue to present partisan political speech opens up a huge can of worms. But, the libs opened it up, so they have little room to complain.

    If the authorities continue to refuse to protect us when we protest peacefully, we have to force the issue by going out there in legions. We need to first stand our ground if we expect to be free.

    If all it takes to stop us up is a weak-kneed blogger clutching her pearls in horror at the very thought of violence, then the cause is lost. We don’t deserve our freedom.

    Freedom is not free. The defense of our freedoms is not limited to having a strong military fighting terrorists abroad. We better be willing to fight our violent enemies at home with more than finger-wagging and moralizing or our troops will not have a country to return to. That is EXACTLY why we have the 2nd amendment.

    If, out of a misplaced fear of violence, we wait too long to get off of our sofas, falling back on the 2nd amendment will be our only option. Get out there and populate the battlefield when showing up and facing the violence is all that is required. Enough with the virtue signalling already. If you don’t have the spine to take risks, go hide in the basement with the children.

Kudos to these two! Give the Left their own medicine. Make them “unsafe” in their “safe spaces”. They won’t like it. Liberty…use it or lose it.

LoneStarWhacko | June 17, 2017 at 12:47 pm

Free speech has limits. Openly advocating the assassination of the President ain’t cool. Now, here’s what’s coming….say someone targeted some of those actors…..Hmmmm… see, you can’t unring that bell. Yeah, hugely violent times are ahead. There’s no pretending that the marxists aren’t violent. So, in this day and age, doxing will take on a much darker meaning. That’s what happens in a civil war. Tit for tat. I truly wish it wasn’t so, but history will out.

    tom swift in reply to LoneStarWhacko. | June 17, 2017 at 1:15 pm

    I don’t want to curtail free speech. That’s one of the great virtues the Progressives want to eliminate, and their opponents—i.e., good Americans—want to retain. We can’t retain it by circumscribing it.

Look up Tit for Tat on Game Theory. Ace is right about this.

Force the left to live by its own rules.

    OldNuc in reply to EBL. | June 17, 2017 at 1:04 pm

    Ace and you are indeed correct. In war or war games the enemy makes the rules and if you desire to win you must play by the enemy’s rules.
    Remember Andrew Breitbart called it WAR for a reason.

    Donald Douglas in reply to EBL. | June 17, 2017 at 1:06 pm

    Actually, Ace isn’t arguing we should use violence. He’s talking about boycotts and blacklisting. Yeah, let’s do that. He doesn’t say to violently shut down left-wing public performances like a bunch of special snowflakes. So-called conservatives have lost their minds. The vote here is running almost 75 percent in favor of shutting down speech — SPEECH — you don’t like. You want to parrot the left, conservatives? Are you going to start hitting antifa leftists over the head with bike-locks, like anarchist Eric Clanton up in Berkeley? No. Are you going to start throwing bricks through the windows of businesses, like the riots on Telegraph Avenue, simply because people like Milo are scheduled to speak? No. Or at least, I’m not. That way lies much more polarization and violence, which purportedly conservatives don’t want. So what’s it going to be?

    More here, ‘Let’s Not Parrot the Left, Laura Loomer and Jack Posobiec’.

      rdmdawg in reply to Donald Douglas. | June 17, 2017 at 5:48 pm

      You come at me with a bike lock, you had better believe I won’t be turning a cheek.

      Donald: I do not support violence. And I do not think a theater goer disrupting a play that wallows in Trump Derangement Syndrome is violent (does anyone really think this is about Shakespeare anymore or cautions about being careful what you wish for). Any more than the Hamilton cast chiding VP Pence from the stage. Inappropriate? Well, if they are going to dish it out, we can dish it back.

      I agree our resistance needs to be smart: No violence, lots of humor and wit, show originality and don’t be repetitive, with the purpose of pointing out hypocrisy and mocking those on the left.

      This is a quote from Ace’s post:

      If you’re in a fight with someone, and you never do anything but parry blows and dodge, you can at least hope for him to tire himself out.

      But he’ll have regained his endurance by the next morning. And, as he actually enjoys just throwing blows at you, and you’ve done nothing to convince him this is a counterproductive idea — he will be back.

      If you never actually hit him right the fuck back — when is he ever going to learn that fighting is not a good idea?

        Donald Douglas in reply to EBL. | June 18, 2017 at 4:22 pm

        Shutting down a play is not “hitting someone back.” If someone’s hitting me with a bike lock, I’ll defend myself, but I’m not going to take a bike lock to an anti-Democrat-Progressive protest and start beating people up. And I don’t think Ace is saying that either. He specifically endorses boycotts and blacklisting of leftists. If this pro-violence is what the new conservatism’s about, beating up political opponents and acting out like a bunch of spoiled children at Shakespeare in the Park, count me out. Supporters of that are idiots, in my opinion. And losers, frankly, no better than leftist scum. And I’ll say it to your face if the moment arises. I’ll stop unprovoked alt-right violence against leftists if the moment comes up. It’s not a “free speech” issue for Laura Loomer to get up at a play and shut it down. Her rights weren’t violated. Supporters arguing otherwise are brainless.

          We disagree on tactics. I have no problem with giving the left a taste of its own medicine. I do believe it needs to be done smart and effectively. Of course peacefully. Yelling out at a play may or may not work (I recognize it could be counter productive). But I am all for acting out if it does work.

Who is Podhertz to call people animals who commited no act of violence whatsoever. Never Trumpers can’t be trusted. Fine if you want to disagree with the tactic Mr. Podhertz but seems revealing to me that you would call people animals for merely stopping this assassination play. Has this guy ever called anit-Trumpers animals for ANYTHING they have done? I doubt it. Then we all have to be respectful of the people throwing actual punches or bullets.

For a long time the Right has bought into the “don’t sink to their level” and “we’re not like the Left” Would someone explain exactly how that has diminished any of their obnoxious behavior? Decreased the smears & disruption? Facilitated the ability of conservatives speakers to give commencement addresses?

Unfortunately the Left sees our civility as weakness and they think they are “winning” when in truth we are self-righteously giving them what they want. At this point the Left interprets us taking the high road that all the RINOs love as us running away.

    tom swift in reply to katiejane. | June 17, 2017 at 1:19 pm

    The battlefield’s already been chosen. Opponents can show up and fight to win; show up and lose; or not show up and lose anyway. So far, conservatism has opted for the third one, and it’s not a formula for success.

    Rick in reply to katiejane. | June 17, 2017 at 4:14 pm

    The only instance I recall of our side sinking to the left’s level, ironically, is the Republican Senate employing the nuclear option regarding the supreme court. Look how that worked out.

In Shakespeare’s day, this sort of audience “participation” was routine.

If one values authenticity in Shakespearean interpretation, well, here it is. Let’s have more of it.

    DaveGinOly in reply to tom swift. | June 17, 2017 at 5:32 pm

    The Prince of Wales (watching the play “Julius Caesar” from the royal box): “Look out, Mr. Caesar! Behind you!”
    Rowan Atkinson’s “Black Adder”

Yes and no. It’s a once-funny, kind of like the antics of Based Stick Man at Berkeley in response to the police stand-down that allowed ANTIFA to use U-shaped bike locks on Trump supporters.

Oh, yes — The Berkeley police have since enthusiastically deprived the ANTIFA rioters of their weapons and Eric Clanton is facing felony charges. One might speculate whether the threats by the free speech demonstrators to respond to assaults with force, or intervention of grownups with the mayor’s office brought about these changes.

I think it was in Atlanta that the police quelled ANTIFA by insisting that they remove their masks in order to enter a protest area.

    Sanddog in reply to Valerie. | June 18, 2017 at 2:52 am

    That would be Alabama. The police at Auburn used the same laws that were written to prevent the KKK from gathering with their faces covered to unmask Antifa at protests.

Let them stage their mock execution, then advertise this organized effort as a teachable moment. The rule of thumb is: don’t stop your adversary as they are making unforced errors.

    redc1c4 in reply to n.n. | June 17, 2017 at 2:01 pm

    you can’t educate anyone who doesn’t think there is anything wrong with your “teachable event”.

    like a small child, or a puppy, first you have to get their attention.

tarheelkate | June 17, 2017 at 1:40 pm

Picketing outside with signs denouncing the performance, yes. Writing letters to public officials demanding withdrawal of public funding, yes. Writing letters to newspapers opposing the performance, yes. Disrupting the performance, no.

make them live by their own rules…

only then will they decide they don’t like them.

all this “nobility” shit has only gotten us where we are today, where the left thinks they can do anything, and the pansy-ass RINO leadershit just rolls over & plays dead, as they did all 8 years of Obola.

no more Mr. Nice Guy: they want war, i say we give them what they want, and give it to them good & hard.

    Agreed. If brilliant oratory and “leading by example” were decisive in prevailing over evil, 6-7 million wouldn’t have died in the Nazi concentration camps. We could have just called the police even though there was a war going on.

    Brilliant oratory that does not lead to a call to action is useless. Stand up and fight first, then bring out the brilliant oratory to rally the troops by making it clear what you are fighting for and why it is in everyone’s interest to join in the fight. That is why we honor Thomas Paine and Winston Churchill to this day. When besieged by the enemy, people prefer fighters to moralizing talkers.

    History is written by the victors. There is nothing noble losing the war in order to defend your beliefs. The prime moral imperative for all life forms, including humans, is survival. Survival is not like running a debate club. People get killed so suck it up buttercup.

Blaise MacLean | June 17, 2017 at 3:27 pm

I voted “No”. Here’s why.

Following the Alexandria shooting the media attempted to create a false equivalence between Democrat supported left-wing violent rhetoric and that of those who dissent. This equivalence is false. The NY Times was forced to back down, for example, from their Palin lie.

If anti-left protest follows the left wing model, the Left’s media sycophants and stenographers will just continue the equivalence point, only now with evidence.

I believe in fighting back…hard…but not this way. There are better strategies which will be intellectually honest and effective. Here are some initial suggestions.

1. Take back the language. This includes
(a) denying the right of the left to define as “racist”, “bigotry”, “hate” etc any ideas they disagree with, as well as their jurisdiction to impose and enforce sanctions. This needs to be called out immediately and constantly.
(b) Apply the word “fascistic” to every effort to suppress free expression. For example, the student activists at Evergreen should never be referred to as “activists” or “protesters”. We should consistently refer to them as ” The fascist student thugs at Evergreen… ” (or similar language… Brown shirts, jackboots works fine) because all the “anti-fa” tactics actually resemble Nazi tactics.

2. Use Alinsky tactics against the left. Specifically Identify, Isolate, polarize. Select a target and bring it down. Then move on to the next. Schumer is a good place to start but there are many.

3. Deny media premises. Never accept the concept of the “Collusion with Russia” Ask “What collusion with Russia?” “What hacking of the election?” Since there is no evidence of these, they will have to backtrack. (I would LOVE to hear someone say to Tapper or Blitzed “What Russian collusion? Are you referring to President Obama asking Putin to be less assertive until after the 2012 elections since he could be more flexible? Or about Hillary’s secret uranium sale to the Russians? Is that what you mean?”

I have other ideas but this gives the idea.

    Yikes. Look up the term “adverse possession”.

    “A method of gaining legal title to real property by the actual, open, hostile, and continuous possession of it to the exclusion of its true owner for the period prescribed by state law.”

    It’s the legal term for squatters’ rights. Do you see the word “hostile” in there? The law requires that you stand up to squatters or lose your property even if you have clear title. That is why we have fences and signs. That is why we call the police to clear out squatters. That is why we can resort to violence in protecting our property.

    So you are saying that we refuse to go out and confront these Stalinists in the public square for fear that these squatters might get violent. Even worse, we accept that the local mayor and police side with these squatters. THERE is your narrative! Where does that lead us? Exactly where we are! We are surrendering without a fight! Brilliant!

    Close The Fed in reply to Blaise MacLean. | June 17, 2017 at 4:56 pm

    Re: Blaise MacLean:

    We can do both.

    But the MSM will never adopt our language unless some external force impels them to do so.


    artichoke in reply to Blaise MacLean. | June 17, 2017 at 6:21 pm

    She did nothing bad though. What she did is in the tradition of OLD TIME civil disobedience.

    The left won’t be able to spin this effectively. We can slowly escalate along this line and the left’s spin will continue to be ineffective.

    Just never use a weapon except in self defense, and preferably interrupt peaceful situations where you won’t be drawn into that at all. Leave the violent situations to the cops, don’t get tempted in to speak or to fix.

    DaveGinOly in reply to Blaise MacLean. | June 17, 2017 at 7:02 pm

    The Left needs to be shown real “equivalence” before it understands what they’ve been doing is unacceptable. Unfortunately, this requires the Right act out unacceptably in kind. The Left won’t stop its behavior so long as it gets away with labeling mere disagreement as “hate.”

    Watch “Where The Wild Things Are” to see how being made to perceive one’s behavior as others do can have a positive effect.

Disruption Tactics –
Is there some reason you can’t find it in your heart to call it Civil Disobedience?
Do you remember Mario Savio (Berkeley)?
Selma? – the bridge and the lunch counters?
Back of the bus?

What is it about fighting to win that so demoralizes Conservative pussies that they can’t even call it by its rightful name?

In Shakespeare’s play, the assassination of Julius Caesar is not a righteous act (even though “Brutus is an honorable man). In history, Julius is seen as the last act – the “end of the end” maybe – of the Roman Republic. Is anyone else confused about the symbolism of representing Caesar as DJT? Is it meant to be seen as a dishonorable act of (thoroughly corrupt) self-serving Senators? Or the last desperate attempt of (thoroughly corrupt) selfless Senators to save the Republic?

Re the question of whether the right should mimic the left in disruptive tactics, I think “no.” First, one should do what one is good at doing, and the right is not so good at rioting in the streets with Molotov cocktails and blunt objects. Second, it would just confirm to the progressive media that, in fact, the violence has been on the right all along.

    DaveGinOly in reply to deuxlakes. | June 17, 2017 at 8:41 pm

    What Loomer did was not violent, just disruptive. Rioting is also disruptive, but nobody is saying that to meet the Left with its own medicine requires us to resort to violence. But we should be violent with the violent, it’s the only language they understand. Once they realize that violence will be met with violence, they will likely stand down. Right now, the Left is being allowed to operate without fear of escalation, which seems to terrify the Right, leaving the Left in control of the battle space. You can’t win a battle without being in the battle space.

    feros ferio

    No one is suggesting rioting or getting violent in response to a play being done in an offensive manner (or at least I am not). These were two protesters who disrupted a DJT mock fest for a couple of minutes in a moment of civil disobedience (at the moment Trump gets murdered) to make a political point.

      EBL: No one is suggesting rioting or getting violent in response to a play being done in an offensive manner (or at least I am not). These were two protesters who disrupted a DJT mock fest for a couple of minutes in a moment of civil disobedience (at the moment Trump gets murdered) to make a political point.

      Sure. It was a conscious, but non-violent, breaking of a law meant to highlight their political complaint.

      However, it was hardly mocking Trump. While Caesar was a populist and deaf to impending events, he was also a brave warrior and military genius. Shakespeare’s depiction is certainly not a mocking characterization.

      If the point of the protest was that a play on any sitting president’s death is fraught with problems in such a divisive political atmosphere, then they should have been just as upset by the depiction of a tall, lanky, black president playing Caesar.

      Otherwise, they were just disruptive for the sake of being disruptive.

To be, or not to be- that is the question:
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind
(will they like me better)
to suffer The slings and arrows
(knives and bullets)
of outrageous fortune
Or to take arms
(fight back)
against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them.
(make the bullies run)


They modernized “Julius Caesar” so let’s try Hamlet in language they understand.

The left has decided to share its culture with us. It is time to teach them that blood calls out for blood.

The government has shown no inclination to enforce the law against them so be prepared to fight back. Be prepared to defend yourself, your family, your neighbor. Because they will not stop, they will never stop, until their boot is firmly on your neck.

I could be wrong and I am conflicted about this. I examine my beliefs and I try to put myself in the other guys shoes.

In my 50 years I have not met a single leftist who is introspective. They do not think they are ever wrong, and they never soul search.

Mark Antony’s funeral speech doesn’t need much alteration to sort of fit modernity…
Mark Antony:
Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury [Trump], not to praise him;
The evil that men do lives after them,
The good is oft interred with their bones,
So let it be with [Trump]… The noble Brutus
Hath told you [Trump] was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath [Trump] answered it …
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest,
(For Brutus is an honourable man;
So are they all; all honourable men)
Come I to speak in [Trump’s] funeral …
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man….
He hath brought many captives [promised to bring many jobs] home to Rome,
Whose ransoms [taxes and payrolls] did the general coffers fill:
Did this in [Trump] seem ambitious?
When that the poor have cried, [Trump] hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the Lupercal
I thrice presented him a kingly crown,
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then to mourn for him?
O judgement! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason…. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Caesar [Trump],
And I must pause till it come back to me.

Subotai Bahadur | June 17, 2017 at 4:45 pm

I do not see a poll, so I will note here that their tactics need to be met, and surpassed until they figure out that they are losing.

In this case, disrupt their play at every performance. And when they turn to violence, meet their violence with more.

The rule of law is gone. Conservatives are designated targets. It is time that it becomes unsafe to target them.

And if you can make life miserable or poorer for anyone connected, be it a corporate sponsor, a director, an actor, or any of the jobs done by other of their staff do it.

They crossed the line on the 14th. The Left is deliberately trying to kill us. I am already sure that they have intimidated the GOPe who will stop even pretending to oppose the Democrats because they know that the Democrats can and will have them killed with no repercussions to the Democrats. We cannot depend on the law. We cannot depend on the courts. And we sure cannot depend on the GOPe who want nothing more than to surrender.

If the Leftist tyrants are to be opposed, it is up to the people and they have to be able to face down the enemy.

Well i guess you can continue to allow them to beat and main people as they are wont to do or gently remind them from time to time they aint supermen ..* SHRUG *

legalizehazing | June 17, 2017 at 5:44 pm

I’m probably wrong… but I prefer slut shaming, abortion shaming, hippie shaming to losing our freedoms and prosperity. Idk maybe a more libertarian conservatism can be dominant.. BUT I feel like dominance and libertarianism are antithetical.. Let’s get zealous for our values. We know they’re right. No reason to shy away.

    DaveGinOly in reply to legalizehazing. | June 17, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    Why can’t a Libertarian adopt the use of force? Libertarians, above all other things, desire to be left alone. A pop in the nose is often an appropriate response to someone who is bothering you. A Libertarian would never use force to impose his views on others (or use government to do the same), but that doesn’t mean that a Libertarian considers the use of violence off-limits. Sometimes it’s the only appropriate response to a threat. The nature of the threat dictates the legitimacy of the response.

My take: If actors want to give audience members (e.g., Mike Pence) political lectures during shows, then the time has come for audience members to return the favor.

Quote of the day: Democrats haven’t enjoyed the theater this much since they shot Lincoln.

    Henry Hawkins in reply to Leslie Eastman. | June 17, 2017 at 6:00 pm

    Audience members bear no personal responsibility for having chosen to attend a play they find obnoxious? Audience members ought to join leftists in their denigration of the 1st Amendment, i.e., if I don’t like it you can’t hear it?

      Well, there is where you and I disagree Henry. As someone wisely noted, the audience paid to be part of a political statement, not to enjoy Shakespeare.

      Thanks Obama…you built this by applying Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals during your 8 years in office.

        Henry Hawkins in reply to Leslie Eastman. | June 17, 2017 at 6:14 pm

        What did Pence expect? Would he go to a Planned Parenthood event and expect civility?

        To lower one’s self to the tactics of the left is to commit the same offenses, the reasoning of a child. Besides, none of this matters, none it changes anything. Except for one thing – the left is succeeding in bringing many on the right down to their very low level, i.e., when we do that, the left wins.

          Pence should have been able to pay tickets for a play, attend that play, and then left that venue without the political lecture….no matter the politics.

          Once the theater producers and their audience decided to make it political, then those who oppose that message had a right to follow the new rules of decorum…as established by the left.

          Furthermore, I disagree that “the left wins” if the independent conservatives remain silent. As the poll, and the comments, prove out…many are strengthened in their resolve to continue fighting leftist policies and progressive antics. Just because this isn’t your cup of tea doesn’t mean its not effective and not inspirational.

          Henry Hawkins in reply to Henry Hawkins. | June 17, 2017 at 6:31 pm

          “Furthermore, I disagree that “the left wins” if the independent conservatives remain silent.”

          Strawman argument. I never said remain silent. I said not to lower ourselves to disruptive protests or actual violence that accomplish nothing for either side other than feeling good for a few moments.

Henry Hawkins | June 17, 2017 at 6:29 pm

Sometimes it seems like GOP/conservatives/Trump supporters believe the right is losing to the left.

House: GOP.
Senate: GOP.
Supreme Court: Likely conservative in a short time.
State governorships: GOP wiping Dems out
State Congresses: GOP wiping Dems out

Much of this is due to GOP/conservatives *not* lowering themselves to left/Dem tactics. As years go by the record of political violence steadily shows 95% of it comes from the left/Dems. People vote away from it and the list above is the result.



    And the only Republican who is actually trying to focus on making good on his campaign promises is Trump. The rest of the Republicans are doing what they always do, circling their wagons around the Democrats to protect them from the will of the people. Or have you been asleep since the elections?

      Henry Hawkins in reply to Pasadena Phil. | June 17, 2017 at 7:24 pm

      Please name one American president who didn’t try “to focus on making good on his campaign promises”.

      Do any of the leftist political antics, from the silly to the deadly, change conservatives to moderates or moderates to leftists? Why would anyone think doing the same back to the left would change anyone’s mind?

      Ahhh! Ahhh! The left is doing horrible things! We must join them in doing the same!

        Sorry about the thumbs down. I don’t do that for just disagreeing with people.

        But I really don’t get your point. That kind of thinking is why the GOP motto is “It’s never never EVER the right time to do the right thing!” And that is why the Dems control everything even when the Republicans win. Apparently, that is okay with you. So long as the Republicans win the elections, it doesn’t matter that they still surrender to the Democrats when it come to governing.

          DaveGinOly in reply to Pasadena Phil. | June 17, 2017 at 9:20 pm

          The problem is only partly that GOPers roll over for the Dems. The Overton Window has shifted. During the Clinton era (the president, not the SoS!), today’s GOPe would have been Democrats. They’re part of the same party today, it’s just that there’s a right wing and a left wing, and the right wing isn’t conservative in any traditional sense, they’re moderate socialists. The problem is they’re playing on the same team.

          Henry Hawkins in reply to Pasadena Phil. | June 17, 2017 at 9:49 pm

          Wow, you really *don’t* get my point. That is completely obvious. You’re assigning beliefs to me I don’t hold and attempting to refute them.

          The point of this article is right in the title:

          “To disrupt like the Left, or not to disrupt: that is the question.”

          I say don’t bother with disruption. It hasn’t won anything for the left except cheers from their choir and it won’t win anything for the right except cheers from their choir. I say the greater value is to let the opposition continue to make fools of themselves. It will not escape the American public that 99% of the time, the perpetrators, whether event disrupters or murderers, are leftists. This fact is a major factor in the GOP’s current electoral dominance, from state and local offices all the way to the top. If anyone feels like the GOP isn’t getting enough done, will they ever settle on the GOP leader as the one responsible for GOP legislative impotence?

          I think this is where people accuse me of wanting Hillary to win or something.

          This is my thinking, as well. Giving up the high ground to score some “woo! we showed them!” points just seems counter-productive to the point of actually being destructive.

          One of the things that got under the skin of the mainstream media and leftist pundits was that their portrayals of the Tea Party were never true and that we pushed back on their lies about violence, their fake and staged hate, and their hyperventilation about how “dangerous” and “terroristic” we were. We weren’t. We could prove it.

          And yes, that did matter. While the Tea Party lost some of its power and momentum, that was never because we were violent lunatics. It took the combined effort of every leftist media outlet, Congressional elites on both sides of the aisle, a White House exerting the full power of the IRS, EPA, and a dozen other agencies against us.

          Everyone keeps talking about Alinsky, but I’m not sure that his rules are fully understood. One of the key Alinsky tactics is to push the “enemy” into overreacting and thereby becoming the one who is suddenly on the wrong side. This tactic was used to poor effect by Occupy who tried again and again to bait police into using force against them so they could get it on video and show how violent and evil the police are, as was done to enormous effect in the ’60’s. It’s being used to much greater effect than Occupy managed right now. Obviously.

          The Alinsky rules that go hand-in-hand with that one and are being used to great effect right now are: Keep the pressure on so your enemy is always off-balance, playing a kind of whack-a-mole that leaves them confused and desperate, and Let the threat fester because the enemy will always imagine the most dire, unrealistic scenarios and waste valuable time, energy, and resources combating their imaginations.

          Using Alinsky against them does not entail falling for these tactics and playing right into their hands. Nor, however, does it entail sitting back and doing nothing. This is a false choice, a naive and childish construct that ignores the vast realms of possibility in confronting and defeating the radical left.

          By the way and to those who keep invoking Andrew Breitbart: he would never have approved of disruption in this case, in this way. People really need to read his book Righteous Indignation before trotting out inaccurate interpretations of his concept of the culture #War. It is about integrity and pushing back effectively, not howling into the winds, donning the mantle of the radical left, or threatening an armed civil war. He knew that way led only to disaster. Instead, he used humor and his razor-sharp mind to challenge the regressive left, to force them to defend their indefensible positions.

          Anyway, everyone will do as he or she pleases, but I personally will not be rushing any stages or screeching about Goebbels at a leftist event. What would Andrew have done? It’s a pleasure to contemplate because he would have been outside, demanding that the people on their way in or out defended their fascination with Trump assassination porn. And he would have filmed their ridiculous responses and posted them for all the world to see.

          He knew that the heart of the matter is with the American people who are not up to their ears in politics, who don’t follow every story with anything like the attention activists do on either side. He wanted to reach out and provide those Americans that Trump appealed to, the “forgotten man,” and show them that they are not alone, that they are not crazy or every “ism” in the book, and that the power to affect real change resides not on the radical left or the radical right, but right in the hearts of fair-minded Americans who don’t like what’s going on. The very last thing he would advocate is becoming the hated thing.

          Just my two cents, of course.

          Henry Hawkins in reply to Pasadena Phil. | June 17, 2017 at 9:51 pm

          I should have mentioned that I am not, nor have I ever been, a member of the GOP.

          tom swift in reply to Pasadena Phil. | June 17, 2017 at 11:40 pm

          It will not escape the American public that 99% of the time, the perpetrators, whether event disrupters or murderers, are leftists.

          How long should we wait for the public to have this epiphany? Our Left has been intensely silly for at least fifty years, and actively malevolent for at least a century, but the voters have yet to exile it to the wilderness. The conservative game plan is working, but so is the Progressive one, and it’s not at all clear that the conservative one is working faster. Some new tactical thinking is long overdue.

          You are missing Henry’s point; the public has already had this epiphany. It’s not an accident that the GOP is dominating across the nation at both the state and federal level and that Trump won over Hillary. Those members of the public you are so quick to diminish and disdain did the right thing.

          But that’s not good enough for you. Instead, you plaster LI’s comments section with incitements to violence and “civil war.” Your irresponsible, unhinged attacks on anyone and everyone with whom you disagree are a sign of immaturity and shallow thinking.

          Look, you and your kook-fest of the new civil war contingent can warble your nonsense all day long. No one is obliged to follow you into your fantasy world. Newsflash: Americans don’t buy your war-mongering hysteria any more than they buy the “pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon” radical left.

          You are no different. You are just the same. And horrifyingly, you revel in being as debased and devoid of principles or of moral compass as the worst of the Occupiers or Black Lives Matters.

          Your imagination is fevered, your impulse to meet violence with violence is dangerous. Not everyone wants the whole thing blown up; in fact, hardly anyone does. You and your ardent pro-civil-war zealots undermine our national identity and spirit with your belligerent taunting of the radical left who want nothing more than for you to behave exactly as you are.

          How malleable are you? Easy. You’re like a puppet dangling from Soros’ strings. It’s pathetic.

          Count me out.

          Do let us know when that republican majority at the federal level actually produces something.

          So far they are obstructing and delaying anything remotely conservative, simply a holding action until an official prog regains power.

    katiejane in reply to Henry Hawkins. | June 17, 2017 at 8:35 pm

    And for “having” control of all those levels of govt – what significant accomplishments has it generated? Do you really believe people went to the polls and voted for Trump because he played nice with the others?

    Most people who said yes probably aren’t calling for violence but rather something more than the usual GOPe ” oh we must try and accommodate the Left, we can’t be mean, we have to understand why they are upset.” IMO people got tired of the whiny doormat behavior of the GOP – unfortunately the rabid Left seems inclined yto push until you give up and many are tired of doing that.

    tom swift in reply to Henry Hawkins. | June 17, 2017 at 11:32 pm

    Not at all.

    Winning on form. But losing on substance.

    Control the Executive (at least nominally, though State, the intelligence agencies, Justice, Treasury, etc. are still infested with “leakers” and other fifth columnists).

    Control the Legislature (at least nominally, though the forest is thick with RINOs).

    And STILL can’t turn off the flood of hostile aliens. Oops, surprise, you have to control the courts, too. Nothing in the Constitution about that … but these days that doesn’t seem to matter.

    Much more of this sort of “winning”, and Obama’s dream of turning America into a third-world sewer will succeed after all.

I’d suggest to you that the question as posed is biased, by implication.

Also, what Loomer and Posobiec did was distinctly not “shouting down” as is practiced the the campus Trotskyites. They stated their piece, just two of them, and left with the assigned personnel. The play was then free to go on.

This was interruption, obviously, not elimination of free speech.

The Left can dish it out, but can’t take it. They have no problem being the disruptors, but when something they like is disrupted, suddenly it’s not cool.
Look at the Evergreen student activists. They’re fine with bullying and threatening a Professor, but when they receive pushback for it, they’re crying how unfair that is.
Sorry. You can’t cry foul when your opponent starts using the same dirty tactics you’ve been using for most of the game.

I’m not fond of lowering ourselves to their level. While I appreciate what those two did, it doesn’t play well, just like it doesn’t play well when the left does it. Makes them look like petulant children. However, I’m all for hitting them in the pocketbook by contacting and complaining to the sponsors. Of course, even threatening to not use their products anymore would not be out of line. Plus, I saw there were long lines outside to get into this “play”. Maybe someone could distribute an intelligent flyer to each person in the queue informing them of the violence and deliberate anti-American intent of this “version” of the play.

Too many conservatives worried more about tone than Liberty.

Take the high road and the “peaceful majority” will tire of Leftist shenanigans and come to our side? That’s how we lost the culture war.

If you won’t fight for it you don’t deserve to be free.

“Count me out”

Fine. Why not don a leather harness and ball gag, let Pelosi lead you around as her bitch.

The Left agitated violence and SHOT at GOP Congressmen and STILL you cower behind “civility” and “taste”.

What does it take to get you to mount up?

Two Jews being led to the gas chamber. One says to the other “don’t make a fuss, we might get in trouble”. That’s you

Oh, pose outrage. Clutch your pearls. You are SO very offended by my tone.

Meanwhile, your brothers and sisters are being bashed over the head with bicycle locks.

“It will not escape the American public-”

Old tactic, tried and failed.

“The peaceful majority is irrelevant” – first saw that clip here. Irony. How many more of us do they have to shoot before you get it?

“On 3 we rush the guard towers and jump the fence, ready 1 2 -”

“Count me out. Too much drama”

“Same. It doesnt play well”

” – 3? Guys, where did everyone go?”

Guess you guys never actually saw Julius Caesar, which depicts the tragic self-defeat of political violence.

By the way, did Legal Insurrection cover when an Obama-type was cast in the titular role?

    Barry in reply to Zachriel. | June 18, 2017 at 10:12 am

    They’re not equivalent, comrade, as you well know. Try your proggy BS somewhere it will work.

    katiejane in reply to Zachriel. | June 18, 2017 at 10:31 am

    I’m sorry but you are living in a bubble if you actually think the audience in a NY park was reflecting on the uselessness of political violence.
    They were enjoying seeing a faux Trump “get what he deserved” and visualizing the real Trump in that scenario.

      katiejane: They were enjoying seeing a faux Trump “get what he deserved”

      Feeling part of the mob is exactly what Shakespeare wants you to feel, then watch as what you cheered go all awry — even in the small details. The mob accosts Cinna a poet because he shares a name with one of the conspirators. He pleads that he is not that Cinna, but they kill him anyway.

      First Citizen: Tear him to pieces; he’s a conspirator.

      CINNA THE POET: I am Cinna the poet, I am Cinna the poet.

      Fourth Citizen: Tear him for his bad verses, tear him for his bad verses.

      CINNA THE POET: I am not Cinna the conspirator.

      Fourth Citizen: It is no matter, his name’s Cinna; pluck but his name out of his heart, and turn him going.

      Third Citizen: Tear him, tear him! Come, brands ho!

      Genius, really.

        katiejane in reply to Zachriel. | June 18, 2017 at 12:41 pm

        Shakespeare wrote this plays about a famous historical figure who was long gone – not even one contemporary to him. Also you are attributing depth to the attendees its doubtful they had.

          katiejane: Shakespeare wrote this plays about a famous historical figure who was long gone – not even one contemporary to him.

          Shakespeare wrote with the particular subject a vehicle for understanding the human condition. And because the themes were universal, they often applied to the contemporary English monarch, sometimes uncomfortably so.

          “I am Richard II, know ye not that!!” — Queen Elizabeth I, August 1601

        IHeartDagny in reply to Zachriel. | June 18, 2017 at 3:13 pm

        The point is also that the mobs hardly EVER get the finer points conveyed by the genius, Shakespeare.

          IHeartDagny: The point is also that the mobs hardly EVER get the finer points conveyed by the genius, Shakespeare.

          It’s hard to miss the point about the mob in Julius Caesar. Shakespeare made it very plain. Shakespeare knew how to write for the commoners, as well as for the aristocrats. But that does return us to our original comment on the subject:

          Guess you guys never actually saw Julius Caesar, which depicts the tragic self-defeat of political violence.

          By the way, did Legal Insurrection cover when an Obama-type was cast in the titular role?

          IHeartDagny in reply to IHeartDagny. | June 18, 2017 at 4:30 pm

          Doesn’t matter if Obama was also cast as the “titular” character. HE WAS (and, some say, still IS) Head of the Mob. However, it’s the venue, NOT TO MENTION the VICIOUS TONE regarding Trump that is being conveyed all over this country, that makes all the difference in this case. We never heard anything about that version of Julius Ceasar (where was it? Oh, yeah, MINNESOTA) until now because NO ONE saw it. Yes, Obama got lots of hate from the right, as well he deserved. It was CHILD’S Play compared to the vitriol sprayed onto Trump. AND FOR NO REASON. It’s completely UNHINGED.

          It also doesn’t matter if YOU think a mob will get the point of the play because the POINT of a MOB is the violence. Any redeeming aspects of the story are lost on them BY DESIGN. It IS the POINT of this production. Some ill-informed, low-fo democrat in the MUCH BIGGER mob in CENTRAL PARK in NEW YORK CITY will take its marching orders from the FREE production (without processing the WHOLE STORY) and provoke more violence should the opportunity arise. You don’t seem to realize there’s A REASON the democrats have insisted on running education in this country for the last 4 decades! It was to BUILD what we are SEEING TODAY. Luckily, MOST people, when they mature, are able to THINK for themselves!

          IHeartDagny: However, it’s the venue, NOT TO MENTION the VICIOUS TONE regarding Trump that is being conveyed all over this country, that makes all the difference in this case.

          There was a great deal of viciousness expressed towards Obama during his presidency. Some people have said he was “Head of the Mob”, for instance. Others rose to political influence by claiming the first African American president wasn’t even a citizen. And Obama was compared to Hitler, depicted in racially derogatory ways, and burned in effigy, any number of times during protests against his policies.

          IHeartDagny: You don’t seem to realize there’s A REASON the democrats have insisted on running education in this country

          Which returns us to our original comment. Guess you guys never actually saw Julius Caesar, which depicts the tragic self-defeat of political violence.

          IHeartDagny in reply to IHeartDagny. | June 19, 2017 at 10:30 am

          “There was a great deal of viciousness expressed towards Obama during his presidency. Some people have said he was “Head of the Mob”, for instance. Others rose to political influence by claiming the first African American president wasn’t even a citizen. And Obama was compared to Hitler, depicted in racially derogatory ways, and burned in effigy, any number of times during protests against his policies.”

          Boo hoo! How many of those people took sidewalk barriers to smash windows, took a bike lock to smash faces, or used a high-powered rifle, for political reasons, to OFF the opposition? Rhetoric is one thing…..INCITEMENT quite another. It cannot be justified. But, I see you will continue to try.

          IHeartDagny in reply to IHeartDagny. | June 19, 2017 at 10:37 am

          “Which returns us to our original comment. Guess you guys never actually saw Julius Caesar, which depicts the tragic self-defeat of political violence.”

          So, with this comment, you are pointing out how stupid the left is for their violence. You DO understand you are undermining your argument but are trying to arrogantly point out…..what? That you think you are smarter than others because YOU THINK people are commenting on something have not seen but YOU HAVE? Pretty fuzzy thinking!

          IHeartDagny: So, with this comment, you are pointing out how stupid the left is for their violence.

          As far as we are aware, the play has not sparked mob violence.

          IHeartDagny: That you think you are smarter than others because YOU THINK people are commenting on something have not seen but YOU HAVE?

          Well, non on has responded as if they know the play is about the self-defeating nature of political violence, or that using contemporary figures is unusual in productions of Shakespeare.

          IHeartDagny in reply to IHeartDagny. | June 19, 2017 at 2:29 pm

          “As far as we are aware, the play has not sparked mob violence.”

          That is not the point of the comment. Are you really that obtuse? Or, do you live in a bubble?

          “Well, non on has responded as if they know the play is about the self-defeating nature of political violence, or that using contemporary figures is unusual in productions of Shakespeare.”

          I REPEAT….It DOESN’T MATTER if someone has seen the play or not! That you keep beating that horse only shows you are trying to prove how “smart” you are.

          It’s apparent that the comments you have received are from intelligent people. It’s OBVIOUS to people who THINK that violence solves nothing and is self-defeating. Neither, YOU, nor William Shakespeare has the market cornered on intelligent thought processes. However, NO consequences will ensure MORE of the same. And, that is what we are seeing with the lack of consequences befalling the criminal left. MORE OF THE SAME and MORE INCITEMENT. If the people in office continue to refuse to uphold the LAW and indict wrong-doers, some people will think that they are being forced to take the matter into their own hands. This IS the end-game for the left because they THINK they will win in the resulting chaos. I don’t think that’s a given at all. The left better watch out or they just may reap the whirlwind.

          IHeartDagny: That is not the point of the comment.

          This is where you might have clarified your point.

          As we were discussing ignorance of Julius Caesar, and as you said “So, with this comment, you are pointing out how stupid the left is for their violence”, it seemingly follows that you are implying a connection between the play and ensuing violence. Perhaps you are just railing against political violence generally regardless of the topic of the play.

          IHeartDagny: It DOESN’T MATTER if someone has seen the play or not!

          Of course you should have seen the play to make valid criticisms of the play. None of the rest of your comment seems to address the point concerning whether the performance of Julius Caesar was “horrific and offensive”.

Wow Fuzzy, now you are channeling Andrew Breitbart. Andrew has been dead for several years now. What made him interesting was his open-mindedness while pursuing his journey through the swamp. Your diatribe about the moral superiority of being a wuss over people who are tired of depending on wusses like you to lead the way is lame. If it takes then paragraphs, longer than the post itself, to explain your virtue signalling, maybe you need to stop and think about what is going on with you.

It would help if you finally got over your NeverTrumpism and acknowledged that every House Republican won in 2016 on the coattails of Trump who persuaded America that he would see to it that this time, the Republicans deliver on their campaign promises. Since the election, almost all of them have not only reneged, but are scheming with the “other” Democratic party to get Trump impeached. Having no legal evidence to impeach, they resort to violence. And now you are advocating that those of us who elected Trump roll over and act like road kill for fear of offending the Stalinists. Oy!

You really should not be citing Breitbart to support your positions. It is presumptuous to claim to know what a dead person would be thinking and saying. YOU DON’T KNOW! And I read that book.

Breitbart News is a fight club taking what was once called “conservatism” in a new direction, the very opposite direction you are advocating, the GOPe position that got us into this mess in the first place. For instance,

Now THAT woman has balls! That is why Breitbart News has skyrocketed from nothing to what will probably the next major news network. And most of it happened after Andrew died.

I have soured on you since coming back here to post comments. Why? You have a habit of lashing out at commenters you disagree with by either mischaracterizing their comments (see above with Barry) or misquoting them. And for someone with a “Fuzzy Slippers” moniker, you have no sense of humor.

Luckily, there are other contributors to LI more to my liking. I don’t necessarily agree with them either but they aren’t stuck on NeverTrump.

    Phil, what an amusing comment! Did you even read what I wrote? I can’t tell from this that you did.

    Where do I advocate being a “wuss”? Where do I “virtue signal”? Where in this comment do I express “Never Trumpism”?

    Gee, you wouldn’t be trying to paint me as something I am not, would you? Everyone here knows that I was #NeverTrump . . . until Election Day.

    Your attacks are not only unnecessarily personal but are downright silly and without merit. So let’s take a guess, you think that if you repeat a lie often enough it will become truth? You think that violence and havoc will further your goal? You think that bullying and silencing opposition will make your view supreme? You think that anyone who does not agree with you is the #NeverTrump “enemy”? You think . . . well, let’s face it, just like the radical leftist loons of the ’60s and of today.

    That’s not fighting fire with fire; that’s becoming the unprincipled, ludicrous, hate-filled, zombie horde you say you reject. Hint: becoming the thing you hate is not a good strategy. Everyone sees through it . . . everyone, except, apparently, you.

Char Char Binks | June 18, 2017 at 3:25 pm

Let the lefties have their stupidity — it’s all they’ve got!

Zachriel I’m beginning to realize that you are trolling but even a troll should be able to figure out that the majority of posters here don’t give a rat’s arse about Obama and I would have expected that such incident to be well anguished over on a more liberal site.

    katiejane: the majority of posters here don’t give a rat’s arse about Obama

    While we understand you prefer to live in an echochamber, there are far more readers than there are posters to this blog.

    katiejane: I would have expected that such incident to be well anguished over on a more liberal site.

    Turns out, not so much.

    While depicting the death of a sitting president is problematic due to the political environment, your outrage should apply equally whether that president is Obama or Trump.

Hmmm should anyone emulate the tactics of a losing party and ideology?

Tough question.

I want to know why the Republicans who control the Senate and House helped Tyrant Obama the Liar destroy our country?

Why did the House embrace his insane budgets? They could have passed a sane budget and let the Democrats block it.

Why did the Senate help him ram his “Help Iran Build Nuclear Weapons, ICBMs and Dominate the Middle East” “agreement” down our throats? They could have easily stopped him be declaring that it was a treaty and scheduling a ratification vote.

Furthermore, now that Trump is in power why isn’t he doing things that drive a stake through the heart of Progressive Fascism? He could defend the civil rights of conservatives against the KKK democrats the same way that Eisenhower, JFK and Johnson treated the KKK in the South. Evergreen College in Washington would be a good place to start. Berkeley California is another. He should also go after the Hillary, the DNC and the thugs who attacked people attending his rallies during the last election. Why isn’t he prosecuting Crooked Hillary? The evidence of her guilt of accepting bribes in exchange for favors of her office while SoS and mishandling classified info is overwhelming?