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Dems beginning to regret Russia conspiracy obsession

Dems beginning to regret Russia conspiracy obsession

“The fact that we have spent so much time talking about Russia, you know, has been a distraction”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEyOa2i83sQ

The Democrats’ obsession with Russia-Trump collusion conspiracy theories has been long on innuendo, and short on facts.

Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy has been a leader in spreading the innuendo.

During a February interview with CNN, Murphy warned it’s “as scary as it gets”:

Sen. Chris Murphy said Tuesday that President Donald Trump’s latest words comparing the United States to Russia are “as scary as it gets.”

“This is as scary as it gets and they need to get to the bottom of what this is all about,” the Connecticut Democrat told CNN’s Alisyn Camerota on “New Day.” “What is this strange relationship between Putin and Trump? And is there something that the Russians have on him that is causing him to say these really bizarre things on an almost daily basis?”

Despite the smoke, there is zero evidence of a fire. By early May, Murphy was admitting as much but still pushed the innuendo:

Sen. Chris Murphy (D., Conn.) admitted Tuesday on MSNBC that Congress does not have a “smoking gun” proving President Donald Trump’s campaign colluded with the Russian government.

“So, I don’t know. We certainly don’t have a smoking gun today, but it seems that this story is unfolding only in one direction,” Murphy said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” …

“Do you believe there’s been collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia from what you know?” Geist asked Murphy.

Murphy indicated that while he does not have direct evidence of collusion, it is likely that future evidence will point in that direction.

“Every few weeks, we get new evidence that suggests that there was more, not less, coordination than we previously thought between the Trump campaign and the Russian government,” Murphy said.

“I have a feeling that there is a number of additional chapters here that haven’t been told, but no, today we don’t have that direct, clear evidence of collusion between Trump himself, high levels of the campaign, and the Russian government,” Murphy added. “But we certainly seem to be getting closer to that moment.”

Now Murphy is having regrets, after the devastating Democrat loss in the Georgia special election.

Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., said Wednesday morning that Democrats have spent too much time arguing about Russia in Washington, an issue that real voters don’t care about.

That was Murphy’s reaction after Democrats failed to win the seat in the 6th District in Georgia.

“I think what it means is the Democrats have to be hyper-focused on an economic message that tells people that the Republican Party is all about economic growth for millionaires and billionaires, and the Democratic Party is about economic growth for everybody,” he said on MSNBC.

“The fact that we have spent so much time talking about Russia, you know, has been a distraction from what should be the clear contrast between Democrats and the Trump agenda, which is on economics,” he added….

“I have to say, they are never talking about issues like Russia,” he said. “They are not talking, frankly, about what’s on cable news at night.”

The mention in the segment to Robert Costa of the Washington Post was to this interview in which Costa mentioned that outside D.C. people are not focused on Russia:

“One other takeaway as I leave Atlanta is the Russia issue, and President Trump’s handling of these investigations, the special counsel. When I’m in Washington, that’s a consuming issue for Democrats. It alarms even some Republicans,” Costa said “On the ground in Georgia, moderate suburban Republicans were not talking about Russia,”

It’s *almost* like the Democratic Party is a creature of the D.C. and NY media bubbles.

Because the midterms are over 16 months away, Democrats have time to adjust. Maybe they’ll get “lucky” and Special Council Robert Mueller will find some sort of collusion.

Absent some blockbuster from the Special Counsel, Democrats have done themselves substantial damage. People are tuning them out, and are not taking them seriously.

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Maybe Mueller’s investigation isn’t going in the direction everyone thinks. He sure is building a huge legal team and it can’t possibly be just for investigating unsubstantiated Trump/Russian connections. Maybe we are headed for a massive, comprehensive take down of a secret, corrupt government organization?

Hey I can dream can’t I?

    4th armored div in reply to Pasadena Phil. | June 21, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    it would be delicious if mueller and company found that obama and pantsuit were guilty of trying to stuff ballot boxes and guilty of mishandling TS and other catagories of classified info
    – include Huma also.

      Tom Servo in reply to 4th armored div. | June 22, 2017 at 8:22 am

      Sorry, I gotta go with Gingrich on this one. Mueller is going to drop the collusion thing (no evidence) and drop the obstruction thing (can’t make the case) but he figures with a big enough team that he can certainly find some financial violations to charge Trump or someone close to him with.

      Current campaign finance regulations are so arcane and there are so many conflicting requirements that it’s guaranteed that some violation can always be found in every campaign that has ever been run; all any prosecutor needs is a big enough team to sift through the numbers. That’s what Mueller is putting together.

        You are assuming that Mueller is there to take down Trump no matter what. With all of the incriminating evidence just dangling in front of him on so many other criminal activity engaged in by other people (ahem, Hillary), is it that much of a stretch to suspect that this is the path this investigation will have no choice but to pursue? I realize he is bringing in a lot of Clinton supporters but FDR cleaned up Wall Street by bringing in Joseph P Kennedy, the biggest, most successful crook on Wall Street.

        Kennedy then created the SEC becoming its first commissioner. He crafted the Securities Act of 1933 that included the brilliant Glass-Steagall Act, THE shining example of how well-crafted regulation can be efficient as opposed to ponderous bureaucracy.

        Sometimes you have to bring in the people who now how the machinery is made and how it operates in order to dismantle. it. You can’t so easily assume that no one cares about addressing the corruption. Otherwise, why aren’t you out there shooting, torching and rioting? What is stopping us from getting to the civil war part?

          notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Pasadena Phil. | June 22, 2017 at 3:51 pm

          Touche!

          RE: “Sometimes you have to bring in the people who now how the machinery is made and how it operates in order to dismantle.”

Despite the smoke, there is zero evidence of a fire. By early May, Murphy was admitting as much but still pushed the innuendo
………….

Considering they brought the smoke grenades and began lobbing them ONLY AFTER Hillary lost…

It would be ironic if Mueller pile-drove them into the concrete by (eventually) getting into the Clinton Foundation.

Hey, a man can pray for God’s Justice to be meted out.

    Neo in reply to RedEchos. | June 22, 2017 at 7:20 am

    It’s not necessary to get into almost anything Clinton for Mueller to find “targets of opportunity”. You need go no further than the DOJ.

    DiGenova, who has bureau sources close to the FBI investigation, named Attorney General Loretta Lynch, Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates, Assistant Attorney General Peter Kaznick, Assistant Attorney General John P. Carlin, and Assistant Attorney General Leslie Caldwell as senior level staff at DOJ have who have “done something that they are going to regret.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/03/dc-attorney-fbi-agents-working-to-expose-top-doj-officials/

““I think what it means is the Democrats have to be hyper-focused on an economic message that tells people that the Republican Party is all about economic growth for millionaires and billionaires, and the Democratic Party is about economic growth for everybody,” he said on MSNBC.”

Somehow, I don’t think the deplorables in flyover country will be as easy to convince as he thinks.

    princepsCO in reply to clintack. | June 22, 2017 at 11:54 am

    per this comment from the article “…Democrats have to be hyper-focused on an economic message that tells people that the Republican Party is all about economic growth for millionaires and billionaires, and the Democratic Party is about economic growth for everybody,” he said on MSNBC.”

    Democrats can’t help with the non-stop lying–they’ve lost sight that their Marxist economic plans do nothing but damage to everyone BUT the millionaires and billionaires. And that is their goal. You can’t have a Marxist state if there’s a middle class and opportunity for personal economic growth.

    Every Marxist state has a hyper-wealthy 1% and poverty stricken 99%…see Venezuela, China, Russia, et. al…and the useful tools marching and rioting in the streets supporting Marxism and Democrats–but I repeat myself–will be the first to lose status once the middle class is destroyed…and it’s losing ground every day that Obamacare is allowed to exist.

They are going to literally drive their cultist followers crazy – literally. Their followers don’t know which way to turn – they literally cannot understand how the rest of the nation doesn’t see the delusion they see. (Remember: these are the smartest, must knowledgeable people in the world (they think)).

It’s pretty hard to confront how ignorant you are and how gullible you have been.

Hope and change…

The Dems strategy has been
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1. Push the Russian conspiracy theory the the nth degree and the exclusion of everything else despite the absence of evidence,
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2. Blame their losses in the elections on Russian interference even though nothing has been found,
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3. Based upon a blatantly incorrect explanation of how the electoral collage works and a Russian interference excuse that no one believes, maintain that Trump is not the legitimate President,
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4.Exercise a government wide policy of resistance where every appointee is challenged, every bill is fought and no cooperation is given on anything by the Democrats, and
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5. Enlist the aid of the MSM who push the narrative that conservatives are violent when it’s clear the Left are the ones being violent, where Trump must be impeached just because, and that all the violent, hateful, unprincipled, and even crass exhibitions of Trump being beheaded, murdered, and so forth, are acts of artistic expression.
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Given this overall strategy, call it the Schumer suicide gambit, is there any question why the Democrats are failing ugly in the people’s minds?

    Walker Evans in reply to Cleetus. | June 23, 2017 at 12:43 am

    “Enlist the aid of the MSM who push the narrative that conservatives are violent …”

    If the fascist rioters being organized and used by the left keep up their violence, and another Loony Lefty drinks enough of their kool-aid and starts shooting at people on the right, the MSM’s mantra of violent conservatives may very well be found to be a self-fulfilling prophecy! There are many folks here in Flyover Nation who are awfully tired of being regarded and treated as if they were toothless, interbreeding morons with the IQ of an amoeba … and these are the people who own all those Scary Black Rifles the lefties are so afraid of!

    Perhaps they should come out here and see what the real America looks like, and how it’s citizens live, work, and play. We don’t have to actually pick up arms to fight the “Coastal Elites”; they don’t seem to have a clue where all of their food comes from! Every big city is only a day away from food shortages, two days away from beginning starvation, and another day (at most) after that for the food riots to start. Raw violence may not be needed at all!

      I agree.
      Who runs the power distribution, water and sewage plants; most are outside of cities. Substations inside and outside of cities are very open for cutting power distribution.
      It has been estimated by a government report that if the grid went down across the US for 18 months, which is realistic with an EMP from a sun flare or nuclear detonation from my knowledge having worked in the power industry, 90% of Americans would die over that time. This shows how much we depend on electrical power.
      The Democrats and Left leadership, I believe, say one thing but actually believe they can trust the deplorable’s goodness to not go there. I believe that that goodness, based on this TEA Party director’s knowledge, has its limits, even for me. If the Antifa Fascists move outside of blue cities, I believe that the red line for action will have been crossed.

There was never any smoke. It was all contrived. Any meeting of a Republican with a Russian became a headline. Democrats meeting with a Russian was just part of the job.
There is no reason for Meuller. Sessions has to resign. His desire to do the right thing makes him useless.

Sometimes, you really have to wonder if Trumps protestations are merely there to commit the Democrats to the wrong path.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Neo. | June 22, 2017 at 3:54 pm

    Oh President Trump would never do that!

    He he he he – wicked laugh!

I expect a sub-theme used by Republicans for the 2018 elections will be …

Dude, where is that collusion ? … following you’re fantasy has done nothing to help Americans.

Nah. They have not yet begun to regret the hysterical overreactions to Trump. But they will.

There’s a whole generation of voters who haven’t yet learned to question the liberal orthodoxy.

President Trump will stubbornly refuse to fulfill any of the hysterical predictions of the left — no death camps, no mass round-ups of children, no right-wing mobs burning down mosques, no gay-and-transgendered reeducation camps.

And a whole new generation of young Republican voters will be born. And the Democratic Party will have decades to regret that.

If you Dems want to talk about Russia, it might help if you could point to something that actually resulted from all this purported collusion. Right now all that you have is that folks in the Trump campaign talked to Russians; and that Sen. Sessions (chairman of the Armed Services Committee) met with the Russian Ambassador. You speak accusingly and with distaste, but you have yet to identify a crime.

It would also help if you didn’t demonstrate to everyone that you were deliberately overlooking everything that your hero Obama pulled during his reign. Your hypocritical posturing is not impressing anyone outside of your DC bubble.

The Dems are a crooked party of fakes, liars and con-men … so why aren’t they working harder to bombard us with more fake evidence?

They had that guy planting the dossier with the stories of Trump and Russian prostitutes …

And the cloud of unidentified “sources” ostensibly in the White House …

And unverifiable claims of chicanery from intelligence agencies most of the American public has never even heard of …

And even a “leaked” classified report giving suspiciously detailed claims about “official” Russian cloak-and-dagger stuff during the election …

But that’s about it.

These guys are supposed to be pros, and their futures may depend on coming up with something. So why aren’t they working harder to generate more controversial stories and plant more fabricated evidence? This “two scoop of ice cream”-level stuff is pure amateur hour. Anyone hurling stink bombs should be sure they really stink.

“I think what it means is the Democrats have to be hyper-focused on an economic message that tells people that the Republican Party is all about economic growth for millionaires and billionaires, and the Democratic Party is about economic growth for everybody,” he said on MSNBC.

Translation: Trump is kicking our tail in Congress, and if we keep yacking about “Russia, Russia, Russia!” every time the camera is on us, we stand a serious risk of Republican tax reform being enacted. So we need to get back to the serious job of criticizing Republicans for being the party of the rich so our rich Democratic donors will send us money to keep their tax loopholes in place.

MaggotAtBroadAndWall | June 22, 2017 at 9:23 am

According to Mike Allen’s book “Shattered” about HRC’s loss, Mook and Podesta concocted the “blame Russia” meme within 24 hours of her defeat and pushed it hard in the media. They’d taken $1 billion from rich Democrats. They were not going to blame the candidate or the high priced strategists, communication consultants, internal pollsters, and other operatives for the humiliating loss to the host of Celebrity Apprentice. Those people can’t be blamed. If they take responsibility for running a horrible campaign and a horrible candidate, they won’t be able to enrich themselves running future campaigns.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/new-book-shattered-clinton-insiders-reveals-blame-russia-plan-hatched-podesta-mook-within-24-hours-election-loss/

Once Mook and Podesta got their friends in the media to push the meme that Russia was the reason she lost, Congress had no real choice but to open an investigation. And Democrats welcomed it.
They viewed it as a good way to delegitimize Trump and keep the kooks in the party energized. They’d seen how the Congressional investigations of Benghazi and HRC’s secret server were kept in the news and they believe it damaged HRC. So they wanted a perpetual investigation of Trump/Russia with the hope it would damage Trump’s approval ratings making it hard for Republicans in swing districts to support his agenda, and that would help Democrats retake the House.

I think there is enough evidence that there was some Russian “interference” – but there has been no evidence I have seen that any Americans helped facilitate it. And I also think Flynn is probably guilty of a clerical error in not filling out some paperwork about monies he received from foreign governments and maybe RT.

But that is a long way from Trump or his affiliates colluding with Russia to steal the election from Her Majesty.

A political party so stupid as to follow a BS story for over 6 months, blow their finances on an insignificant race in GA, waste legislative time with obstruction, hide scandals 3 times worse than RUSSIA expect anyone to vote for them? ………..oh, forgot their base is liberal.

Henry Hawkins | June 22, 2017 at 10:36 am

I think it’s time to abandon the Trump/Russia collusion story and move on to the Trump/China collusion story.

inspectorudy | June 22, 2017 at 10:48 am

I see two things about all of this a little differently than most and they are; 1. all of this happened under obama’s watch and nothing was done about it because they all thought hillary was going to win. Why isn’t the msm asking questions of the obama admin about this lack of concern about the Russian hacking? 2. The good Professor makes a good point about this meme running out of steam but doesn’t mention that this is only one stepping stone in the river of Never Trump. The next stepping stone will be obstruction of justice and then on to the next. The msm will play right along with this meme and the unenquiring public will just add it all up to mean that there must be something wrong with Trump even though there has been no evidence. This is their unwritten strategy and the left doesn’t seem to think that it will ever come home to hurt them. They are wrong!

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to inspectorudy. | June 22, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    I agree.

    However the Never Trumpers have been using that same failed play from the same playbook since June of 2015. And it never worked once!

    The Never Trumpers and Democrat Party’s next step is more likely to board the New S.S. Titantic. One made out of ice cubes to keep them oh so cool on their tropical cruise…..

      notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 22, 2017 at 6:46 pm

      Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump

      “Democrats would do much better as a party if they got together with Republicans on Healthcare,Tax Cuts,Security. Obstruction doesn’t work!”

      5:32 AM – 21 Jun 2017

This all goes back to Trump’s sarcastic joke about Hillary’s missing emails during the summer of 2016, when he quipped that maybe Russia could find them. The left has been running with it ever since. As someone said back in those days, the left takes Trump literally, but not seriously.

Call me cynical but I do worry that when you get so many lawyers, who “appear” to be less in search of the truth and more in search of something that can be used to bring him down. At what point will Mueller be willing to say – “enough is enough, I could find no crime?” There is always the so attractive issue of foreign emoluments Mueller could fall back on to the delight of the Dems.

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