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Some dare call the anti-Trump feeding frenzy a “coup” attempt

Some dare call the anti-Trump feeding frenzy a “coup” attempt

There’s something happening here. What it is, is becoming clear.

I have used the “C” word with regard to the attempts to keep Donald Trump from the presidency.

Once, I believe, in a post on December 12, 2016, about the attempt to undermine the Electoral College, The one thing you must understand about the unfolding media-Democrat Electoral College coup attempt:

We are witnessing nothing short of an attempt to steal the election by some Democrats and a very supportive mainstream and leftwing media, by causing Electors in the Electoral College to go rogue and vote for Hillary, or at least not vote for Trump.

The excuse then, as now, was Russian interference in the election process:

As it became obvious that the recounts demanded by Jill Stein and supported by Hillary would fail to change the outcome, a new and thoroughly dishonest media narrative developed — that Trump could not be allowed to take office because Russia “hacked the election.”

By hacked the election, they don’t mean that the vote count was corrupted, but that alleged Russian hacking of the DNC and John Podesta influenced the outcome. A variation on that theme is that Trump has some potential Russian connection that makes him potentially disloyal to the United States.

The claim is that this new information is so serious post-election, that the Electors must fulfill some alleged duty to protect the country from Trump. Call that Operation Flip the Electors, Part Two.

None of these allegations, however, are new. They were all aired to and considered by the voters.

As we’ve been documenting, there has been a non-stop Democratic Party, mainstream media and #NeverTrump Republican drumbeat, first to keep Trump out of office then to remove him from office. This is nothing short of an attempt to unwind the election based on conspiracy theories, speculation and innuendo, Being anti-anti-Trump is no vice, at least not now:

The choice now is between Trump and the conspiracy theorists, Antifa street thugs, campus anti-free speech police, Soros-funded front groups, deceptive anti-Trump media, Democrat obstructionists, and illegal leakers in the permanent bureaucracy who consider themselves above the electoral process.

You don’t need to be pro-Trump to be against those who collectively are a greater threat to our liberty than Trump.

It seems like in the past few days I’ve been seeing that “C” word used a lot. Kurt Schlichter used it in a post that is a must read, This Is A Coup Against Our Right To Govern Ourselves:

The blizzard of lies and distraction blowing through Washington is not just any routine stuffstorm, but a calculated attempt to bring down a president – our president, not the establishment’s president. And more than that, it’s an attempt to ensure that we never again have the ability to disrupt the bipartisan D.C. cabal’s permanent supremacy by inserting a chief executive who refuses to kiss their collective Reid.

This is a coup against us. It’s a coordinated campaign by liberals and their allies in the bureaucracy and media to once and for all ensure their perpetual rule over us. We need to fight it, here and now, so we don’t have to fight it down at the bottom of this slippery slope….

This is a concentrated, coordinated effort by elite insiders to take down not this president – Trump’s not the point here – but to take down us, the normal American they seek to rule. Someone came to Washington who wasn’t part of the club, and that’s intolerable. So they are desperate to expel him, and by extension, us….

… the goal is simple. Draw off enough weak, attention-addicted RINOs to make it impossible for the President to govern. Then, hopefully, us normals will shrug, and slink away, having relearned our place. After all, we’re deplorable.

And when the liberal establishment retakes power, and the mavericks and goody-goodies get tossed aside, the bureaucracy, media and the Democrats will conspire to ensure that no one can ever take their power from them again.

Jake Novak at CNBC also uses the “C” word, This latest Trump-Russia leak smells like a coup attempt

For all the things President Trump has said that have dragged down the level of our American political discourse, this sustained takedown effort is worse. And it’s not clear how this is going to end. Unlike President Trump, the leakers remain anonymous and thus unaccountable. They can presumably go on forever. And President Trump doesn’t seem like he’s going to stop fighting back or irritating and threatening his political opponents.

But don’t fool yourself into thinking this is OK or even tolerable. The bottom line is that we have some very powerful people in Washington who really don’t like how democracy played out this time around and what they do to attack it next isn’t going to be any better than what they’re doing now.

Dominic Lynch writing in the Chicago Tribune also uses the “C” word, Don’t resort to a coup to remove Trump from the White House:

For Trump’s critics on the right, the preferred method of removal now seems to be invoking the 25th Amendment, under which the Cabinet would vote to remove the president from power for an indefinite period, replacing him with Vice President Mike Pence. If a coup d’etat came to America it would look like this: unelected bureaucrats voting to remove a president because of his hostility to their jobs and his childlike temperament in expressing and executing his agenda….

… the white-hot rage that has been brewing among the president’s detractors since Nov. 8, 2016, seems to be reaching a point not seen since the release of the “Access Hollywood” tape a month before the election. Now, instead of calls for Trump to drop out of the race, there are calls for him to be removed by the Cabinet or impeached.

But these are unstable times and these are dangerous ideas. In an election that — fairly or not — cast doubt on the president’s legitimacy, in a political environment that careens between incompetence by Republicans and obstruction by Democrats, in a country whose social fabric is fraying, the calls to remove the president are reckless at best and damning at worst. The elites had their chance to persuade the American people to trust them: Between Hillary Clinton and the 17 Republican candidates, the people had a choice to vote for order and stability and politics as usual. But they chose the “Make America Great Again” candidate.

I also saw the “C” word was used by Victor Davis Hanson:

(added) In this appearance last night on Tucker, Hanson expanded the point of a “slow-motion coup”:

https://youtu.be/troOweIGTGQ?t=4m5s

Dennis Prager made similar points without using the “C” word:

Ditto with law Professor Randy Barnett, who sees a constitutional crisis in this extra-constitutional attempt to remove Trump:

https://twitter.com/RandyEBarnett/status/865161124995584000

https://twitter.com/RandyEBarnett/status/865162886464798720

There’s something happening here. What it is, is becoming clear.

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Democratic politicians are going to be surprised to discover that short of impeachment (which isn’t going to happen) they have no way to force President Trump out of office.

And I look forward to the moment when the howling frenzied mobs they’ve whipped up realize it too, and turn on their politicians.

There is little doubt that we are witnessing an attempted coup.

I utterly despise Trump, but I agree wholeheartedly with this posting. You’ve provided a good synopsis of my own view of this situation:

“The choice now is between Trump and the conspiracy theorists, Antifa street thugs, campus anti-free speech police, Soros-funded front groups, deceptive anti-Trump media, Democrat obstructionists, and illegal leakers in the permanent bureaucracy who consider themselves above the electoral process. You don’t need to be pro-Trump to be against those who collectively are a greater threat to our liberty than Trump.”

I’m anything *but* pto-Trump, but I am indeed “against those who collectively are a greater threat to our liberty than Trump.”

goo.gl/ETK442

Both parties are part of their own preferred New World Order, and Trump isn’t. The Dems are more overt about it … which just makes the Repubs the more treacherous and dangerous ones.

    Dave in reply to tom swift. | May 18, 2017 at 10:46 pm

    Certainly McStain is doubling down on HIS treachery, while Lucy Grahamnesty seems to be pulling back a bit as the import of what is happening finally sinks in.

    Mannie in reply to tom swift. | May 19, 2017 at 9:17 am

    Currently, we have a one party oligarchy, the Republicrats, with two branches, the Democrats and the Republicans. They will fight like crazy using any means at their disposal to keep control of THEIR country. It is their country, just ask them.

    It’s time to take our country back, by any means necessary.

A little late to the party, but welcome.

It’s nothing new for the d mocrats, but it usually works before the election.

If the deep state thinks the deplorables will stand idly by when they complete their coup they could be in for a bad surprise. It could get very ugly and violent. They should think long and hard whether they really want to go through with their coup. Coups often end badly for the perpetrators.

    tom swift in reply to lawdoc. | May 19, 2017 at 6:48 am

    And who would do it?

    It’s generally the Left which is organized and ready to take advantage, with a little bit of force, of any random crisis which happens along. That’s how events proceeded in Moscow in 1917, in Berlin in 1919, in Greece in 1946, in Cuba in 1959. The Right is generally not prepared to take over anything, and certainly not at a moment’s notice.

    It’s hard to picture the Pyjama Boys and Special Snowflakes actually doing anything, but when they’re opposed by nobody at all, they can’t help but triumph.

    What Right organization, formal or otherwise, is willing and able to lean a bit on any malefactors? The only one which comes to mind is Bikers for Trump. And they haven’t put in a prominent appearance since Inauguration.

      Obie1 in reply to tom swift. | May 19, 2017 at 7:41 am

      You might be surprised

        tom swift in reply to Obie1. | May 19, 2017 at 9:23 pm

        I’d be shocked.

        When all is said & done … a lot more gets said than done.

        Who’s actually doing anything effective to oppose the progressive illuminati and their plans for world conquest?

        One man. Trump. And what does he get for it? Rations of garbage from all sides. We still have hammerheads who pride themselves on telling us all how much they despise the only man both willing and able to fight these crooks.

        Jerks. Even worse—useless jerks.

You could call it a “Coup d’ press”.

    Partly. But the street violence and the social poison is coming from the democrat education/entertainment complex.

    We are in for one hot summer. Good thing obama ordered the US government to buy all those bullets and stock all those FEMA camps. Great karma – especially when we throw soros in one.

Yes, this is a stealth coup d’ eta. However, it won’t work prior to the midterm elections.

Many of the Republican members of Congress can not afford to directly alienate Trump supporting members of their constituency. So, they will not support an impeachment, until after 2018. They will continue to drag their feet where Trump’s agenda is concerned, but they will not take any direct action which does not appear reasonable. The Democrats are under no such constraint. Their base is only solidified by the outrageous anti-Trump stance that they have taken. They will continue the attacks on Trump to guarantee their reelection and to continue to undermine Trump through innuendo and outright lies.

The problem with invoking section 4 of the 25th Amendment, is how vague it is. The operant phrase is “that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office…”. What exactly does that mean? If the President was in a coma, it would be clear. If the VP and Cabinet simply disagree with the President’s policies and actions, then they have to provide some evidence that the actions of the President are detrimental to the nation and not within the scope of his powers. And, their reasons will likely become a judicial matter. This is the reason why the Democrat operative media have been making all the claims of erratic behavior on Trump’s part. They are attempting to set the scenario that Trump is mentally incompetent.

Now, the Establishment would much rather have Pense in the oval office than Trump. He is an Establishment politician. Pense was touted as the bridge between the anti-establishment Trump and the Establishment in Washington. He was placed in that position to make it easier to eliminate Trump and reestablish Establishment control of the Presidency. And, the GOPe politicians would gladly go along with that.

So, you have several factions all working together to remove the President. The Media floats unsubstantiated stories which undermine the President’s credibility as well as provide the groundwork for a claim of incompetence. The Dems push a radical impeachment agenda to make the use of the 25th Amendment more palatable to the GOPe. GOPe advisers continue to push Trump into situations which will potential prove detrimental to him. The only unknown quantity here is Trump himself. He appears alternately brilliant and stupid.

It will be an interesting 4 years.

An absolute attempt at overthrowing an elected president.

This is civil war, part I. Part II is coming.

    snopercod in reply to TheFineReport.com. | May 19, 2017 at 6:41 am

    As a vet who shot Expert Rifle myself, I’m with you. But just who do you intend we should shoot? Our liberal neighbors? This is a philosophical battle, my friend; Guns won’t help us there.

To be a win, that hill where most of your people now lie dead better have a great deal of value. Otherwise, all you got is a bunch of dead people and a worthless useless hill.

VaGentleman | May 19, 2017 at 2:02 am

Geraldo weighs in – and it ain’t what you expect.

http://constitution.com/geraldo-rivera-slams-anti-trump-media/

What is it with these “big brains”? Look at how they word their criticism of the lefts freak out…tgey just cannot come out and support Trump or report on the lefts freak out WITHOUT the need to throw in some kind if qualifier about Trumps mental health or his “childlike” temperament or how he has reduced politucal discourse in America through tweeting etc.

It’s almost as if they are putting those qualifiers in as a way if saying “you know the lefts freak out us deranged but they have good reason”. It’s almost as if adding something negative (and fake) about Trump is being used as a form of insurance to protect them from being alienated by their peers.

I just wonder where these clowns have been the last 8 years during a presidency where a guy WAS extremely thin skinned and took petty hatred to new levels against friendly countries all because people like Bibi had balls a hundred times bigger than the Baby Jesus.

What Ross Douthet wrote.

We should all “reconsider . . . support for a man who never should have had his party’s nomination, never should have been elevated to this office, never should have been endorsed and propped up and defended by people who understood his unfitness all along,”

    kenoshamarge in reply to gad-fly. | May 19, 2017 at 12:35 pm

    Who is Ross Douthat to say what “should” have happened?

    Douthat is a perfect example of the arrogance of those who write for a living. They don’t “report”, they write. And what they write is their opinion.

    In their arrogance they think we care about their opinion. I don’t know how many do care, but I sure don’t.

Fla4Liberty | May 19, 2017 at 5:52 am

We are witnessing the end stage of the coup d’etat that has been in progress since the fall of 2008, you just weren’t paying enough attention. Just recount the litany of Obama scandals – Fast & Furious, Benghazi, forcing Ocare on an unwilling public, creation of the extra-constitutional CFPB, Bowe Bergdahl, the Iran Deal, the Paris Climate deal, Hillary’s treasonous private email server, the sale of US plutonium resources to Russia, IRS targeting conservatives, the murder of Scalia, NSA spying on Americans, Obama spying of political opponents, and add to them the transfer of untold billions from DOJ to left-wing advocacy non-profits via settlement fines, to the support of mass illegal (muslim) immigration hundreds of billions in gold and cash sent in the dead of night to a hostile muslim regime, and you have a coup that unfolded before your very eyes, if you cared to pay attention. They got away with all that & the Repubs let them – so now they have every reason to be assured of their success in trying to taking down Trump. The question I have, is where is our escape?

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Fla4Liberty. | May 19, 2017 at 7:00 pm

    We’ve already escaped.

    Where were you?

    Just because the German Shepard Dogs are howling and on the trail only proves we’ve escaped.

Anyone remember the scene from the movie The Fountainhead where Howard Roark is accosted by Elsworth Toohey? Toohey was a “journalist” who made it his life’s work to destroy Roark. For years, Toohey publicly denigrated Roark’s work while at the same time praising the mediocre work of Roark’s competition. When they finally met, Toohey told Roark, “We’re alone here, why don’t you tell me what you think of me in any words you wish?” Roark’s reply: “But I don’t think of you.” I think that pretty much sums up President Trump’s attitude toward the press.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h2ZixoCCWI

    Ragspierre in reply to snopercod. | May 19, 2017 at 8:32 am

    Two problems with that…

    1. Roark could do that WRT Toohey; no POTUS could

    2. Everything we know about Der Donald screams he is obsessed with the press, and has been for decades

    He jumps up and down about the NYT, for instance, and then gives them long sit-down interviews.

      Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | May 19, 2017 at 9:36 am

      Again, I state objectively, obviously true stuff, and the downthumbing kneeJERKS swarm.

      Wasn’t one criticism of W that he ignored the press to too great an extent?

      I do believe it WAS. Ignoring the press is not an option.

        kenoshamarge in reply to Ragspierre. | May 19, 2017 at 12:41 pm

        Sadly far too many people use the up or down vote for or against someONE not against what is said. That’s childish and silly.

        Sometimes I agree with you and sometimes not. My up or down reflect what you say not who you are. As it should be.

        Have a Nice Day Rags and ignore the children – they can’t help themselves.

Left out the most despicable anti-Trumpers of all, the Republican “NeverTrumpers” and Republican Establishment. Trump is doing this alone and can succeed depending on what we his base decide to do.

If we quit, it’s all over. There will be no “next time”. It was a miracle that we had this one last time at all. Let’s see if we want our freedoms more than the global establishment fascists want to take them away from us. It’s OUR country!

    kenoshamarge in reply to Pasadena Phil. | May 19, 2017 at 12:47 pm

    #NeverTrump made no sense once he was elected. I was #NeverTrump and #NeverHillary and ended up voting for the idiot McMullen. A wasted vote.

    Many of the bitter #NeverTrumpers are aligning themselves with people they would have excoriated before Trump came along to hate.

    I don’t, and didn’t hate him. I just didn’t think he would do a very good job. Too much bombast and not enough substance IMO.

    Once he was elected I hoped he would be better than I had thought he would be. Sometimes he is. And others,not.

    But what the media, the left and the establishment right are doing is far worse than anything I ever thought Trump would do. Aligning with them is repulsive and against everything the #NeverTrump people say they believe.

    Time to take self-righteous heads out of a$$ and take a look at what’s happening. Hating Trump won’t help when the left owns the country as they are too damned close to doing.

    Ragspierre in reply to Pasadena Phil. | May 19, 2017 at 8:24 pm

    I totally support defending the office and the process.

    I’ll defend T-rump when he’s right, as I have in the last few days by suggesting a messaging strategy that any good crisis manager would suggest (trial lawyers are crisis managers by necessity).

    I will ALSO rigorously criticize the POTUS when he’s wrong.

      kenoshamarge in reply to Ragspierre. | May 20, 2017 at 10:17 am

      As you should. As we all should. Whoever is in the Oval Office is supposed to be the leader of the country not some entrant on “Dancing with the Stars.”

      Adults see who does what and find as many facts as they can to make their OWN decisions. Talking Point intellects and headline readers do not.

      Also members of political cults have lost all ability to think. That’s just a fact.

      I loathed the Obama Cultists, I loathed the Trump cultists and I loathe the Cruz Cultists.

      Applaud when a pol is right, boo/hiss when they’re wrong and that’s being reasonable and responsible.

      At least that’s what I think and don’t believe it’s a part of the “mind-reading” I was accused of up thread.

      Sorry, I don’t need mind-reading abilities to state an opinion. Nor does anyone else.

Tom, the reason you can’t identity who would initiate Direct Action is because if such a network existed, it’s operators would be too savy to skyline themselves by forming a website or PAC.

For example, I’m obviously not part of any DA/STA Team, because if I was I would not have responded to your question. Hell, I wouldn’t even have an online presence.

But as a hypothetical, if the Establishment gets it coup, this what follows:

Day 1. Chelsea Clinton assassinated with drone attack.

Day 3. The Red Sept (GoT ref) Everyone attending her funeral is massacred by 8 emplaced claymore mines, including GOPe members like McCain and Graham.

Day 4. Simultaneously on both coasts, pretty perky newsreaders like Katie Couric have acid thrown in their face, not only disfiguring them so grossly that they can no longer appear on tv, but also resulting in dozens more like them suddenly deciding to leave the MSM to “to spend more time with family”

Day 5. Homeland Security and Secret Service hold emergency briefing warning Congress and Executive Agencies that they only have the resources to protect immediate family members. Relatives and staffers are on their own.

Day 6. At approximately 3pm, IED laden trucks ram into the headquarters of CNN, WaPo and NYTs.

All of this would be very easy to accomplish, and any “tribe” capable of pulling it off is likewise disciplined enough to stay off the radar until operations begin.

    VaGentleman in reply to Fen. | May 19, 2017 at 11:14 am

    And then the only question would be: are they our saviors or our new masters?

    tom swift in reply to Fen. | May 19, 2017 at 10:18 pm

    I never said the use of force isn’t possible. It is. It’s not even terribly hard to do.

    However, a secret and entirely clandestine group ready to take action cannot be a political force. Nobody’s heard of it, and even if they have, they have no idea that it’s not just another talking society. It can only be politically effective after it’s used—after it demonstrates that it’s real and that it has some real teeth.

    So, after being used, it could be a potent political force … but it won’t be, because it will never be supported by a Right-leaning body politic. This is because it will be functionally indistinguishable from terrorism, and Righties will never support it. And even if they think now that they might support such a group—based entirely on what they themselves think such a group would be like—once it makes the headlines, nobody will know anything about it—what’s its goals? Its political platform? Is it a communist group? Anarchist? A Muslim splinter group? A resurgent IRA? Without the basic groundwork beforehand—call it propaganda, if you wish—there will be nothing to indicate to anyone that this new force resembles what they were thinking about. All that will be indisputably apparent is that it’s bloody damn violent. And that is hardly attractive to the great mass of Americans—an energetic and even aggressive bunch, but, despite the “evidence” of TV and Hollywood, not terribly violent.

    So, once it goes full political (as, at some point, it must) this one-time clandestine group just won’t get the votes. And that means that it can never establish a government which is legitimate in the American context.

    There are some alternatives, but they’re historically very rare. The United States itself is one of them. But we can’t count on such exceptions cropping up just because we want them to. As I pointed out supra, the people who usually pop up to control such things in times of turmoil are, far more likely than not, creatures of the totalitarian Left. And putting them even more in control than they are now would not be a positive development for American civilization.

As they always have, people – including the media – wildly underestimate how many deplorables there are out in America. Lots of levels of fight left in them. Just keep exposing the MSM among other things.

This is 180 degrees wrong.

The Left have been elevating the ennobled elites above the hoi polloi, de facto, for well over a century, vis their Gramscian “March thorough the institutions”. They are now the machine; they are Leviathan.

There is no “coup”. There is no conspiracy There is only an ingrained and widespread stand alone complex; the Left are already in control, mutually reenforcing each others, and without need of any leadership. Combating that will be more difficult and require not just luck, but foresight and time. The groundwork must be laid to make victory possible. It is a mistake to think that the entrenched Left are simply making bold moves and winning by sheer “will to power”; they are not declaring war, but announcing victory. It’s the same thing they did with Gay Marriage: A few minor missteps aside, they laid the ground work for it over decades in a Fabian fashion and via mastery of institutions already marched through by the Gramscians.

If anything, it is Trump that is the counter-coup–the counter-revolution. Trump may very well turn out to be our Bay of Pigs. If anything, Trumps mistakes will do more to strengthen the fabled “swamp” than Obama or any other elected Democrat ever could.

An overt declaration of war against an entrenched foe without any preparation or planning is doomed to fail, particularly when there isn’t even an on-the-fly inkling of a plan.

VA Gentleman – exactly. Which is why wise men from both sides of the aisle need to come together and stop this madness. If we truly belive in the Rule of Law, this is our moment to stand and fight for it, no matter how much we may deplore Trump.

inspectorudy | May 19, 2017 at 12:11 pm

We, here at LI, are already on the bandwagon that the left is pushing a climatic coup. They are taking anything that might not even normally make the news and turning it into a major issue against Trump. The thing that worries me the most about this is the weak RINOs who are now ACTUALLY talking about impeachment with their fellow jellyfish. When and if they cave then it will be up to the people to stop this coup. How this may take place is still unclear but we cannot allow the msm and DNC to take away our Constitution and our rights to a free election. If this must take the form of massive protests where we go to DC and block all action then so be it. I’m talking about millions of us! The idiots in DC didn’t get it with the results of this last election and we will need to not only remind them but ENFORCE the results of it. The next step is unmentionable!

kenoshamarge | May 20, 2017 at 10:19 am

I absolutely believe that the media, the Dems and the deep state are colluding in a coup attempt. They’re fortunate in that so many Americans are fighting each other that many will never notice they no longer live in a Republic.

Tom, I disagree that such a group must be political. They wouldn’t present a party platform after the smoke cleared. I think, from their perspective, their goal would simply be to clear the corruption the field and provide object lessons for anyone still wanting to play out of bounds. And I don’t believe they would have any illusions about how they would be regarded by the civil folk they intend to help. They don’t expect a parade. Quite the reverse – the know full well that the societal contract they seek to restore would consider them criminal. So I think they would punish the “traitors” and then go dark again, leaving the political reformation to people like you.

But I fully agree that this scenario is not desirable. My reading of history is that these movements are either co-opted or become worse than the disease they wers intended to cure. You won’t survive the 2nd purge and I won’t survive the 3rd.

But if the Establishment successfully thwarts the will of the people and removes a duly elected president who was viewed as their last (civil) opportunity to get their country back, then this is the path we are headed down.

Which is why it’s so important now for us to put our differences aside and support the Rule of Law. Because if we lose it herd, I don’t think we can ever get it back.

I’m waiting for the “coup de grace” in 140 chars or less from Trump.

Fraudulent News exposes itself so clearly.

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