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Will Trump capitulate to Palestinian threats over U.S. Embassy move to Jerusalem?

Will Trump capitulate to Palestinian threats over U.S. Embassy move to Jerusalem?

Capitulate or people will die is the message.

We have covered the escalating threats from leaders of and functionaries in the Palestinian Authority that there will be violence if the Donald Trump fulfills his promise to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Israel’s capital, Jerusalem.

This is a two-faced move, Palestinian leadership’s two-faced Jerusalem Embassy game:

We reported the other day on the escalating campaign by Palestinian leaders threatening and predicting violence if the U.S. moves our embassy to Jerusalem, Palestinian leadership: There will be violence if U.S. moves Embassy to Jerusalem.

While Hamas is behind some of the incitement, an important feature of incitement regarding the Embassy is manufactured by the Palestinian Authority, headed by Mahmoud Abbas, through Mosques run by Imams loyal to the PA. Leaders, such as Mahmoud Abbas, then use the violence they are instigating behind-the-scenes to warn that an Embassy move might inspire violence.

While the U.S. Embassy has a great beachfront location, it’s not in Israel’s capital.

The latest is that Fatah is promising to “open gates of hell” if the Embassy is moved, as The Times of Israel reports:

The spokesman for Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s Fatah party on Saturday warned that if the Trump administration moves the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, it will “open the gates of hell.”

Fatah spokesman Osama Qawasmeh said Donald Trump’s campaign promise, if implemented, would negate chances for peace and stability in the region, and “the Palestinian people won’t allow that happen,” according to Israel Radio. To move the embassy, he said, would be to “open the gates of hell in the region and in the whole world.”

Abbas himself, opening a Palestinian Embassy at The Vatican, repeated his warnings:

Any attempts at legitimising the illegal Israeli annexation of the city will destroy the prospects of any political process, bury the hopes for a two-state solution, and fuel extremism in our region, as well as worldwide,” Abbas said.

“In this moment, we extend our hand to President-elect Trump for his cooperation to make peace based on international law,” he added.

All the threats are having an impact on the French and Europeans, as WaPo reports Mideast conference has an urgent message for Trump:

In a diplomatic gambit that at times sounded as though the clock was about to run out, envoys from some 70 countries Sunday called on Israel and the Palestinians to recommit to the goal of two states for two peoples, before the possibility slips away.

But there was someone else they hoped to persuade, too: President-elect Donald Trump.

France’s foreign minister kicked off the conference Sunday by warning that moving the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem would have “extremely serious consequences” for the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians.

Characterizing it as a provocation, Jean­Marc Ayrault said he doubted that Trump would in the end actually fulfill his pledge to relocate the embassy in a city that Israelis have named as their capital and that Palestinians desire a part of to become the capital of a future Palestinian state.

“When you are president of the United States . . . you can’t have such an entrenched, unilateral position,” he told France 3 television. “You have to seek to contribute to creating the conditions for peace.”

Elder of Ziyon makes a good point about what the Palestinians are doing — they are treating the Embassy move the way Islamists treat the publication of Mohammed cartoons. Do it, and you die, What does the Jerusalem embassy have in common with Mohammed cartoons?:

It is Mohammed cartoons all over again.

There is no legal reason why the US should not move the embassy. The only reason against it is because of fear that Arabs will go crazy and start killing people.

And this fear means that Muslims have veto power over literally anything they don’t like worldwide.

There doesn’t have to be any logic – the entire underpinning of this blackmail is that Arabs and Muslims are irrational and illogical.

The Mohammed cartoons were the same way. No one will print cartoons of Mohammed because Muslims might freak out and kill people….

There is a third parallel: In neither case would anyone actually get hurt if it wasn’t for the same people “warning” the West of a “spontaneous outbreak of violence” being the ones who incite the violence to being with.

Capitulation encourages more threats of violence, and actual violence, as a Palestinian policy tool. Calling their bluff could be a major move towards peace, as it will remove threats as a negotiating position.

Will Trump capitulate?

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Comments

I do not believe he will. That is not who he is.

    Lee Jan in reply to MIK. | January 16, 2017 at 8:15 am

    Guess you didn’t notice that he has already said he WON’T be moving the embassy but that his ambassador will work in an office in Jerusalem.
    Doing what bullies always do….back down when confronted.

      Which #FakeNews site was this?

        Milhouse in reply to SDN. | January 16, 2017 at 5:13 pm

        Israel Channel 2. The tweet reads: “Breaking News: In the Ministry of Foreign affairs they are saying that Trump is planning a pragmatic compromise: The embassy will remain in Tel aviv, ambassador David Friedman will work from the consulate in Jerusalem.”

        (The term used for “pragmatic” literally means “typical of Mapai, a moderate leftist political party that was the predecessor of the Labor Party, and was known for its extreme pragmatism and lack of any hard principles for which it would make a stand.)

          sheldan in reply to Milhouse. | January 16, 2017 at 5:54 pm

          I read that story last week, and I think it was shot down.

          When you think about it, what good would that “compromise” do? Yes, the ambassador would be in Jerusalem, but the embassy would still be in Tel Aviv, and the impression would be that Jerusalem would still not be recognized as Israel’s capital.

          The fact is that anything short of a move will backfire. At this point, the embassy has to be moved to keep the administration’s credibility.

      sheldan in reply to Lee Jan. | January 16, 2017 at 5:55 pm

      Obviously, you don’t know Trump…

      I think he has no choice now but to move the embassy. He may be a bully, but he doesn’t back down willingly.

People are going to die anyways….have a reason, move it!

    Let’s clarify a few things:

    1) There WILL be violence and killings;
    2) Regardless of where the embassy is located There WILL be violence and killings;
    3) So long as Hamas and the Palestinian Authority exist (in their current forms, anyway) There WILL be violence and killings.

    So just put the embassy where it belongs!!!!!

The latest is that Fatah is promising to “open gates of hell” if the Embassy is moved

Didn’t somebody open that particular barn door on September 11?

Last I checked, it’s still open.

Somebody has to shut it before they can open it again.

Too bad they didn’t do that. I think they missed their chance.

The only reason against it is because of fear that Arabs will go crazy and start killing people.

Well now, that would be a first.

I am SICK & TIRED of their caterwauling and whining. I don’t want to hear it anymore. Spell it out and make it plain and simple for them. We move the Embassy. You generate more attacks and we turn Gaza into a parking lot. Men, women, and children. You don’t care about their lives, then neither will we.

We have appeased these people way, way too long and are paying a price for it now. Buy stock in cruise missiles and Hellfires. It would be so nice to station a USS New Jersey or USS Iowa off of Gaza about now.

I know…but a guy can dream, can’t he?

    If only Israel didn’t care about what the rest of the world thought…

    The sad thing is that since Oslo Israel has been looking over its shoulder when deciding how to defend itself. This was not the case for the first 45 years of its history. Time to return to that time, and if the world doesn’t like it, too bad…

      Milhouse in reply to sheldan. | January 16, 2017 at 11:41 pm

      Not since Oslo. Remember Golda Meir’s fatal decision on Yom Kippur 5734 (’73) to let the arabs attack first, so as not to antagonise the world with another preemptive strike like the one in ’67. also remember her refusal to take Damascus, which would have been so easy, and would have allowed Israel not only to evacuate the Jewish community but also to force Syria to make peace, or at least to dictate the terms of a new armistice. Instead she ordered the army to stop short of Damascus so as not to antagonise the US. Cairo was also within striking distance, and again she refused to allow it. also letting the Egyptian 3rd army go was aimed at appeasing the US. Then think of the series of rolling ceasefires during the Lebanon invasion, all of which served exactly one purpose — to give the PLO forces time to regroup and rearm so they could resume fighting when it was convenient for them. again, this was done in a futile attempt to gain international goodwill. Really Israel has been desperately seeking love from the world, at the expense of its own security and its soldiers’ lives, for a very long time.

Blaise MacLean | January 15, 2017 at 10:05 pm

In light of the Paris Mid East Peace Conference, held in the absence of Israel, I just had a great idea. I suggest Israel hold a South Atlantic Peace Conference on the Falklands/Malvinas issue…Of course in the absence of the UK and Argentina. Then there could have one on the Kuril Islands issue, of course in the absence of Russia and Japan. It could be followed by the Tibet Conference, in the absence of China and the Cyprus Peace Conference held in the absence of Turkey, Greece and, obviously, Cyprus. And I would really really love to see the Corsican Conference held in the absence of France.

This precedent of peace conferences excluding the parties is going to be great. Especially if they are held in Jerusalem.

And now you see the beauty of electing someone who really doesn’t give a flying f**k what any of his enemies thinks.

    Valerie in reply to Tom Servo. | January 16, 2017 at 11:31 am

    I remember laughing hard about Doonesbury’s “Ronnie Ray-Gun” caricatures. I believed the Democrats when they told me he was dangerous and crazy. I later came to appreciate the value of having a Cowboy in the White House.

Sometimes wars are good: they finalize conflicts and eliminate bad actors (not necessarily meaning Meryl Creep)and free enslaved people.

Just ask Adolph Hitler.

This just in from our Middle East bureau:

“Fascist, jackboot Muslims threaten to commit even more terrorism and barbarism than they currently are, if U.S. Moves Embassy to Jerusalem.”

F’em.

Meet any violence brought with tenfold retaliation. We too can speak the language of violence. Fluently, though it be our second language. The first being diplomacy.

Open the gates of Hell, and you will find me looking at you, through my gunsights, Pally.

jihad Watch steps into the fray.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/01/hugh-fitzgerald-the-insubmissive-infidel-or-just-a-jot-about-jerusalem

Other Muslim states might wish to punish the American government for recognizing a historical truth in moving its embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. But would they really do something beyond verbal menacing? What else can they do? Sever relations? Not accept our surplus wheat? Refuse the weapons we supply to so many of them? Would Jordan want to forgo the $1.6 billion this year in American aid, without which the country would stagger, if not collapse? Or Egypt its $1.5 billion, or Afghanistan its $1.1 billion, or Pakistan its nearly $1 billion? What threats could they carry out, without fearing American retaliation? For Trump, as we all know, is no fan either of foreign aid, or of Islam, and would be delighted to see a half dozen Muslim countries “punish” us by breaking off relations, thereby giving him all the excuse he needs to end that aid. The leaders of those countries know perfectly well how much they need American aid, and how eager Trump is to cut it off. They won’t be taking any chances on their own well-being, just to please the likes of Mahmoud Abbas and Saeb Erekat.

Negotiations with the PLO and other Arabs involved with the Palestinian “problem” always follow the same script.
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Move the US embassy to Jerusalem and we will kill you.
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Allow Israel to build settlements on the West Bank and we will kill you.
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Provide defensive military aid to Israel and we will kill you.
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Either support the sovereignty of the Palestinian state or we will kill you.
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Demand that Israel move out of occupied territories or we will kill you.
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Agree that Israel is guilty of war crimes against the Palestinians or we will kill you.
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Support Israels embargo on the Gaza Strip or the West Bank in an effort to keep weapons from entering these regions and we will kill you.
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Do anything in the world with which we disagree and we will kill you.
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Is anyone else sensing a trend here? Is anyone else seeing this as an issue of the Palestinians have a right to exist but Israel does not? Is anyone else seeing this as a case where the only obstacle to peace is the Palestinians? Is anyone else seeing how it doesn’t matter what concessions Israel makes, it will never be enough for the Arabs? Is anyone else seeing how the West and Israel are always blamed for the violence and problems present in the Middle East when it is the Palestinians who are the ones who routinely break every agreement? Is anyone else seeing this as nothing other than a bunch of children who have nothing but are demanding everything or else they will destroy all they can?

Time to tell Abbas and company that ANY attacks on US citizens anywhere in the world will result in immediate cutoff of aid and will be considered a declaration of war on the USA.
let them pound sand, eat sand and warm themselves using camel droppings.

The USA, no better friend no worse enemy
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/history/general-jamesmattis-x.html

    I count the days until James “Mad Dog” Mattis assumes command of the DOD. My favorite Mad Dog quote is…

    “I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I’ll kill you all.”

    The world is changing. The suckups will be gone and a lot of hard chargers will move up.

People will die, anyway, because the objective of the Palestinians remains murder. As for that Declaration of War on All Muslims, the rest of the Ummah knows what the Palis are, and they started acknowledging it after the last war by the Palis against the Israelis.

The Palis are trying to play the game “New Kid on the Block” with DJT, which is a common move against new US Presidents.

I’m getting some popcorn, and I suspect a lot of Muslims will be doing so, as well.

At this time, I say, “bring it on.”

The Palestinians are bluffing and they are reduced to begging someone to make Trump stop moving the embassy. It’s time to move it and let the chips fall where they may. It will be the only way to move the negotiations on terms that are reasonable.

Proposed Trump counteroffer to Palestinians:

“I’ll make a deal with you. If you just STFU I won’t give you all Hellfire enemas.”

Why not restore the general rule regarding the definition of refugees, so as to exclude the children and grandchildren of original so-called refugees?

    sheldan in reply to pdxnag. | January 16, 2017 at 8:11 pm

    That would be too simple. There is too much bureaucracy involved in the present situation… But UNRWA should be eliminated and the “refugees” should be given their options.

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