Scarborough: Trump Will Blow GOP Apart—W Last Republican Prez
Scarborough: Trump ‘in a sense, the first independent president’
Is the party—the Republican party, that is—over? That’s what Joe Scarborough is predicting. On today’s Morning Joe, Scarborough surmised that “Donald Trump, by the end, will blow apart the Republican party” and that people are “going to look at George W. Bush as the last Republican president.”
Scarborough depicted Trump as “in a sense, the first independent president.” Joe also suggested that Bernie Sanders might have the same party-demolishing impact on the Democrats.
JON MEACHAM: Joe, what do you think about this? Jeremy [Peters, of the NYT] said [Trump] is not a conservative president. It’s true. He’s a Republican president. Is he going to be a Republican president or is he a president who used the Republican party as a vehicle to power?
MIKA BRZEZINSKI: We will find out.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED PANELIST: A transactional president.
MIKA: I think a little bit of both.
JOE: I think that actually he —
MIKA: Look at his cabinet.
JOE: He is, in a sense, and people will look back — because I believe the parties — we’ve talked about this a lot before. I think the 150-year duopoly is over, and I think people will look over the past ten years and see how power in the House has switched back and the Senate and the presidency switched every two years as the beginning of the end for the two parties. I think people are going to still look at George W. Bush as the last Republican president.
MIKA: Yeah.
JOE: I think Donald Trump, by the end, will blow apart the Republican party and you may have Bernie Sanders doing the same. I mean, don’t you think so? I think actually, in a sense, this guy is the first independent president.
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Why isn’t anyone or anything discussing the Democrats’ self-destruction?
Serious question: do you read?
Yes. What is your problem?
It’s being discussed everywhere, on this blog, on cable news, everywhere.
There have been Collectivist Republicans since their were Progressives.
T-rump isn’t new. He isn’t novel in any way that matters. He’s just the same old Collectivist crapper with a snake-oil salesman’s talents.
If he blows the GOP apart, it was prime for being destroyed by this cheap vulgarian or some other form of destructer.
I disagree Rags. We’ve not had a President in my lifetime that was remotely like Trump. I was a year old when Kennedy was assassinated. He may conform to a caricature, or perhaps more accurately a combination of caricatures, but he is so unlike any previous candidate for president we’ve seen that we could not, and they cannot devise a strategy that seems to work against him.
We haven’t had a President like Trump with Twitter available to him. Now imagine Teddy Roosevelt with Twitter you get something like Trump.
The President he’s most like, I think, is Andrew Jackson. Jackson ended up completely recreating the Democrat Party in his image.
Jackson’s image has been cleaned up due to the passage of so much time, but he’s still be far the most controversial President this country has ever had. There was good reason he was commonly called the “American Caesar” during his lifetime.
A lot of Presidents have been in the military, and had occasion to kill an opponent, but I sincerely doubt that we have had any other leader who enjoyed killing his enemies, face to face, as much as Jackson did. That guy was one vicious S.O.B.!
If Trump is like Jackson, I don’t believe it’s because Trump is vicious or would enjoy killing people.
I believe it would be that he is willing to up-end the status quo by defying the Establishment, to the benefit of ordinary people.
(And I’m quite well aware of the Trail of Tears and Jackson’s support of slavery, so don’t even bother going there.)
I agree, mariner. A point that I didn’t make very well was meant to be that for all these people claiming that Trump is “so controversial”, he ain’t nothing compared to the kind of guy Andrew Jackson was.
Trump has a big mouth and delights in saying things that upset his opponents. These days, that’s enough to send all the progs to their fainting couches, but in truth that’s about the only really controversial thing there is about him. Oh, and he has made allies among what the chattering classes think are the “wrong people”, like NASCAR fans and the NRA.
I can just wonder how progs would act if they ever ran into a TRUE hard man like Jackson. I’m pretty sure I know how Jackson would act if he’d have ever run into them.
Isn’t that a wee bit premature given he hasn’t been inaugurated yet? Beginning January 21st, talk is no longer cheap.
Talk will always be cheap Henry, talk turned into action will always be expensive.
That’s my point. We’ve got Trump fans rating him among the greatest American presidents and he isn’t even in office yet, hasn’t succeeded or failed at anything yet. At present he can only be rated on his words, a meaningless assessment. It’s like rating a boxer on what he’s saying while he’s weighing in for a fight not yet begun. It measures the wrong thing.
Trump is a collectivist? Really? What definition for collectivism are you using and how does it apply to Trump?
“What definition for collectivism are you using” The Jacobin Snowflake make it up as he goes.
Gee. Several lies in that one short pile of shit.
But you always were a liar.
My use of “Collective” is very well established and documented, you lying sack of filth. Look up Nock, Albert. As I’ve repeatedly referred people of your level of stupid to.
Contra your bizarre use of “Jacobin”, which has no contemporary meaning whatsoever except in the madness you exhibit, but take such perverse pride in.
Okay, just so we are all on the same page, with regard to “collectivism”, how about explaining your definition of collectivism. Thanks.
I know you can write seemingly endless, vacant posts that end in junior high conclusions.
Try reading the flucking post above, and following the references.
Jaaaaasus…
By the broad definition of collectivism that rags uses, he has consistently voted for collectivists his entire life:
Bush 1
Dole
Bush 2
McCain
Romney
Albert Knock
“Describing himself as a philosophical anarchist, Nock called for a radical vision of society free from the influence of the political state. He described the state as that which “claims and exercises the monopoly of crime”. He opposed centralization, regulation, the income tax, and mandatory education, along with what he saw as the degradation of society. He denounced in equal terms all forms of totalitarianism, including “Bolshevism… Fascism, Hitlerism, Marxism, [and] Communism” but also harshly criticized democracy. Instead, Nock argued, “The practical reason for freedom is that freedom seems to be the only condition under which any kind of substantial moral fiber can be developed. Everything else has been tried, world without end. Going dead against reason and experience, we have tried law, compulsion and authoritarianism of various kinds, and the result is nothing to be proud of.”[“
I think Jabobin Rags is going the direction of David Brock. It is a matter of time before he comes out as a full blown liberal. That is if he does not melt first.
Another transcendentally stoooooopid BUT Orwellian crock of shit from the admitted Tree Slough.
In light of the FACT that I am one of the very few actual conservatives commenting on this blog, and that is the genius of my criticisms of T-rump and his personality cult, it is the moronic MarkSmut that is more alike Brooks, and more likely to be flushed.
Raghead undeterred by quadrupling down on his own ignorance, now exponentiates into the stratosphere with it. There will be no mercy for unrepentant NeverTrumpers.
Mercy? From what? And from whom?
I can deal all my life long with bed-wetting from cultist bung-suckers like you and your little coven here. Never work up a sweat.
You people are simply a dirty joke.
No. I think that the parties will rearrange, and we will have two parties, very likely using the same names as we have now, with fresh faces and different policies.
The Repubs got thrown out into the wilderness, and came back with something that is a nice blend of new and old. I hope they will take advantage of their current position to make some course corrections for our nation.
Meanwhile, I wishing the Democrats would get solidly thrown out of power, so that they will be forced to purge themselves of their horrible social and economic policies, not to mention the old farts who have made the government into a vastly enriching family business. So far, it looks like the Democrats have yet to figure out that they have a corruption problem, and a fascism problem. The longer it takes them to get rid of those problems, the longer it will be before they can return to power.
I want an effective, ethical, Democratic Party that includes at least a few people with some practical skills, including real backgrounds in science, math, and economics.
The GOPe is a wolf in boehner’s clothing.
Until they core of the GOPe rotten apple is tossed away, there’s no way to trust them.
Was W a Republican? Really?
Or was he just another actor for the Uni-party?
Fragile snowflake Joe thinks W was a Republican? Republicans don’t blow up the size of government and the deficit.
T-rump will. Watch and learn.
Yes they do, and they sell it as “compassionate conservativism.”
IIRC the deficit went from ~$4.5T to ~$9T in the Bush II years.
The term ‘compassionate conservatism’ is galling. It implied regular conservatism is incapable of compassion. Bush Jr lost me when he repeatedly said I wasn’t “a real American” because I didn’t share his religion and disagreed with his various expansions of the federal government.
Why is he any different than Richard Nixon in this regard? Nixon was certainly a foreign policy pragmatist as shown by the opening to China and as far as domestic policy, he was a liberal who is responsible (can be blamed) for the EPA and affirmative action (pace the Philadelphia plan).
Yes, I can see some similarities. Also has about as many enemies, too
I can’t imagine Trump decreeing Wage and Price Controls, for one thing.
You don’t have to “imagine”. All you need do is LISTEN.
T-rump is out FOR an increased FEDERAL minimum wage.
He’s out for controlling drug prices via the central government.
He’s ANTI-market. Just listen to the Collectivist puke.
It really depends on which part of the Republican Party you are talking about.
There is Reagan, and then there are the rest. No other Republican in the last century was like Reagan. He was the outsider that the party tried to kill in 1976. Since 1988, Republicans have been claiming his mantle while doing their best to ignore what he stood for.
The Conservative movement holds Ronald Reagan up as the Conservative messiah. However, Reagan was only a conservative when compared to people like Hubert Humphrey. Reagan governed as a slightly conservative moderate. He was conservative in the area of foreign policy, but was decidedly liberal in social matters. He gave us the first immigration, after all.
Nixon and both the Bushes governed in much the same vein, as Reagan. Then the Republicans had several liberal candidates; Bob Dole, John McCain, Mitt Romney. The Republican Party has never paid more than lip service to its conservative wing.
That should read, “the first immigration amnesty”. Apologies.
Reagan made a fundamental mistake: he trusted Democrats. Remember: it was supposed to be a trade. Reagan delivered; Democrats broke their word.
That’s when we started learning to assume they were lying.
Reagan gave us “the last immigration amnesty”.
There was never intended to be another.
Exactly. Reagan said, “Let’s do this one time, we’ll never do another. Let’s be compassionate, but after this, there will be no more.”
And all of us citizens, most I knew, were against it, but went along, because as it was proposed to us, it would only be done once.
ONLY ONCE.
And here we are, 40 million foreigners later….
The joy of seeing McCain, Graham, Ryan, McConnell and the rest of the GOPe rinos blown off into the distance from the Trump blast will be endless – as joyous as watching the MSM booted out of the White House ‘press’ room and having to share their new waiting room with ‘bloggers.’
The difference between the Democrat leadership, and Democrat elected politicians, and Republican leadership and elected politicians, is virtually nil. They answer to the same paymasters and endorse the same things. And, they care little about their constituencies.
Trump is apparently not in the pocket of financial interests and is espousing policies which will actually benefit the rank and file citizens of the U.S.A. His policies are only detrimental to the globalist financial interests and those who are actively attempting to reduce the power and prestige of the US to that of a third world country.
So, does Trump sound the death knell of the Current Republican Party? Let’s hope so. If a new Republican Party arises from the ashes, which actively works for the good of the vast majority of the people in this country, rather than being a Lite version of the Democrat Party, so much the better. It would be nice to have a real choice when voting for an elected representative.
It’s one thing to have people have to hold their noses in the face of the facts, and vote for someone they deplore and understand.
Always a shame to see anyone who votes so duped and ignorant.
But there we are…
A yes, facts. They usually win the argument. If someone presents them, of course.
There must be some reason why every established political faction in America is trying to destroy Trump. It seems that only the forgotten middle class supports him and his espoused policies. Why would that be, I wonder?
You’re delusional.
As I’ve said…and shown…for well over 1.5 years, T-rump IS Mr. Establishment.
He’s fully engaged in a circle-jerk with the boys in the Belt-Way, as even you will see before very long at all.
Pitiful…
So, why is the Establishment trying to destroy him? Is this some Machiavellian plot to slip in a Manchurian candidate to work the will for the Establishment? And how is that going to work, exactly? Will Trump thumb his nose at his supporters? For what, more money? Is Trump really stupid enough to believe that he is not sitting on a powder keg?
I do not think that I am the one who is delusional.
Your tribe never does.
Like I say, watch and see.
President-elect Donald Trump revealed in an interview with The Washington Post that he’s almost finished with a plan to replace ObamaCare and vowed to have “insurance for everybody.”
Trump declined to reveal the pertinent details of the new healthcare plan, but told The Post in the interview published Sunday night that drug companies will be forced to negotiate on Medicare and Medicaid prices. He also plans to fight pharmaceutical companies over drug prices.
The president-elect insisted that his plan for replacing the Affordable Healthcare Act is all but finished, and added that care would have “lower numbers, much lower deductibles.” He went as far to say that he’s ready to reveal it alongside Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan.
“It’s very much formulated down to the final strokes. We haven’t put it in quite yet but we’re going to be doing it soon,” Trump said during the interview with the paper.
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Trump insists that the new law will be better despite worries from Congress and the possibility of putting 20 million Americans at risk of losing their health coverage.
“We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/16/trump-reportedly-insists-healthcare-replacement-will-have-insurance-for-everybody.html
Yep. That’s fascist economics, all right. BIG, and BIGGER government.
“Insurance for everybody” is a lie. That isn’t insurance.
Way to go, dupes.
Some people keep on making the same mistakes over and over again. The first is to believe anything that an anti-Trump media organ, like WaPo, prints about Trump says. Second, as we learned from Obama care, is to assume anything until we see the legislation.
Realistically, it is impossible to guarantee adequate insurance to everyone. It is simply too expensive. Even countries with socialized medicine can not sustain their programs and still provide adequate medical care benefits. Now, it may well be that the GOP plan will make some kind of medical insurance available to everyone. But, there is no guarantee that people will find it adequate. We’ll just have to wait and see if it will be affordable. Obamacare certainly wasn’t and it was titled the Affordable Health Care Act.
Some people keep on making the same mistakes over and over again. The first is to believe anything that T-rump says.
Well, you can MAYBE believe one contradictory thing he says.
If you want and are STOOOOOOOOOOPID.
He said he likes Canadian single-payer. He said the Scots plan works wonderfully well.
You just pretend he didn’t, you moronic dupe.
Well, going single payer would probably see Trump impeached for something. This would require essentially nationalizing the health care industry. And, it simply is not going to happen. The Republicans are not going to nationalize health care, even the GOPe is not that stupid. The government is directly responsible for the cost of healthcare now, because of Medicare, Medicaid and now Obamacare. It essentially eliminated competition. This stimulated skyrocketing healthcare costs. This made it necessary for the consumer to seek insurance. That drove up the cost of insurance. See the problem? Whenever government subsidizes an industry, it limits the public’s ability to afford to utilize that industry. And, with the election of Donald Trump, approximately 50% of the population said they are fed up with not being able to afford healthcare, without government help.
Do you really think McConnell or Ryan would bring Single Payer to the floor? I don’t. They’d be strung up and quartered.
After looking at the candidates the establishment GOP put forth and backed, the GOP’s demise cannot come soon enough for my taste. When the likes of Cruz is considered a far right outlier instead of the moderate, its time to part ways.
Get rid of the McCain’s and the rest that want to sell values and common sense up the river and bow to all the left’s sacred cows.
Yes, what is it with Arizon and McCain? My gosh, he always says, “Build the fence” when he’s being primaried, then goes 180 after winning the primary.
Arizona, what hast thou donst to us?
T-rump endorsed them all.
Some of the idiot T-rump suckers will down-thumb me over that statement of simple fact.
That just shows how gone they are in cultism.
Remember, T-rump suckers, Reince Preibus is YOUR Chief Of Staff.
Certainly NOT mine.
I laugh at your stupid…!!!
Yes, Trump proved that he was willing to be a team player. Now, in national politics, that means that he, as President, gets to set policy for the Republicans. Strange how the rest of the Republican Party fails to understand that, isn’t it?
There is a reason why Rence Preibus is Trump’s chief of staff. It places him in a position where Trump can control him, while giving Trump access to his knowledge of other Republicans. This is called leverage. Remember, the chief of staff has only as much power as the President wishes allow him to have. I realize that it is not what people are used to in politics. But, then, Trump is not really a politician. Think more along the lines of a corporate CEO.
I’m in wait and see mode with Trump. He’s pissing off all the right people. I thought Palin was the secret ingredient to bat scat crazy liberal zombie stew, but Trump has them rioting in the streets and after 10 years (2006) of liberals having their way, SOMEONE in power is finally busting the unicorn crack pipe.
Joe Scarborough is really in the know isn’t he!
I think ideologues across the spectrum will ultimately find fault with Trump because I don’t think he’ll fall on his sword for much. I think he’ll use his Twitter megaphone to explode any “poison pill” aspects of legislation to get the most consensus he can on whatever the major issue is. He’ll humiliate and expose any he needs to, regardless of party. And I don’t think he’ll even call himself a republican any longer. Just a pragmatist who Wins – bigly. And I am just fine with this.
I’ll personally be glad when the GOPe is GONe.
Creative destruction is what keeps nature vibrant, humanity moving ahead and technology innovating.
Imagine if we all were still dependent on rotary dial-up phones.
“Imagine if we all were still dependent on rotary dial-up phones.”
That may not be such a bad thing to actually do and figure out things rather than asking Alexa and Siri.
It’s really getting to be very painful to read Ragspierre’s posts. I truly hope he gets some help for himself before his hatred destroys him.
I truly hope you can deal with objective reality at some point in the near future, and stop confusing a valid critique with “hate”.
Because, just now, you’re deeply confused.
Better to get some help from the people running this blog.
Trump:
“We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”
I don’t know how you interpret that other than if you can’t pay for it, you will still get it. Paid for by whom? Mexico?
More Trump:
People covered under Obamacare “can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.”
Ah, there it is. This suggests a return to pre-Obamacare status, when health insurance and medical care costs were rising fast enough to make half of America hope that changes brought by Obamacare would solve it. Oops.
This sounds like a trial balloon for ‘Trumpcare’ where we return to pre-Obamacare and pay for our own insurance at rates cheaper than exorbitant Obamacare mandates and rates, but far from reasonable, and they will escalate quickly, as they did before Obamacare. This is a political solution only, a Forward To The Past plan.
People…“can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.”
The same old conflation of “insurance” with “care” as under ObamaDoggle.
And, like I said above, “insurance” for everyone is NOT insurance. It’s a lie.
It’s going to be a long, dark era… And one marked by MORE skyrocketing debt if this is a valid portent.
I think/hope this is just a trial balloon to determine what Trump/Congress can get away with. Repealing Obamacare is the easy part, *effectively* replacing it is hard. Note the weasel wording:
People covered under Obamacare “CAN EXPECT TO HAVE great health care.”
Not will have, but can “expect” to have. How Clintonesque! It sounds like fulfillment of those expectations will come from one’s own pocket, at rates that beat skyrocket-high Obamacare rates in comparison, but will remain way too high.
“It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.”
Simpler and less expensive than Obamacare is no bargain. This is a very low bar to set.
There’s not enough info in Trump’s words (likely by design) to determine if he intends essential single party pay – a full government takeover, and something he’s advocated before – or moving Forward To The Past of consumer self-pay at rates that seem better only when compared to exorbitant Obamacare rates, but are no bargain, no solution at all, because rates will rise very quickly.
“WE don neeed no steeekin’ trial balloons…”
As I pointed out the other day, the way forward is simple.
Not “easy”. Simple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6_lOqiRvCw
The RIGHT ANGLE boys discuss just how easily ObamaDoggle can…and should…be replaced.
Pay particular attention to the points made about how free markets work…so surpassingly well…whenever you let them, and how simple letting them work really is.
Really, all it takes is moral courage and conservative principles.
“Really, all it takes is moral courage and conservative principles.”
Your argument that the solution is simple, not easy, is identical to mine that it’s neither simple nor easy, lol. Moral courage and conservative principles are not to be found in DC, not now, and not after January 20th.
Or even here. As is obvious by the turd-swirl of haters/suckers of T-rump I constantly “enjoy”.
Heh…!!!
Jacobin Rags, I think you really need to seek help. It really sounds like you just can’t accept Trump as President and will work that mind of yours in to making things something that they are not. This has to be the worlds longest temper tantrum, but then again.
We understand you don’t like Trump
We understand you have perceived notions about him and you are not will to accept other opinions except those that are the same as yours.
We understand that when you don’t get your way you yell liar
We understand that you wanted Ted Cruz to win the primary.
We understand that you think you are smarter than anyone else.
Its time to look forward since you can’t go back. “I told you so” does not mean a darn thing.
Good luck on getting help because this threat there about about the GOP redefining itself and apparently you liked the old model which has not worked.
Wow.
Not even coherent. Being drunk before noon and STOOOOOOOOPID is no way to go through life.
My “perceived notions” are quotes from Der Donald, you stupid, lying sack of filth.
I don’t give a good shit about the lying, rationalizing, delusional “opinions” of others.
Sue me. Please.
It appears you have already been sued at least once.
Grow-up
“It appears…”???
Be clear, you sniveling coward. Where does it “appear”?
Step up. Put up.
The GOP dug their own grave, Trump is the leader of the Grand New Party. The old party was the tax and spend party just like the democrats.
http://hotair.com/archives/2017/01/16/pew-share-of-republicans-who-think-feds-should-make-sure-all-have-health-coverage-up-13-points-since-last-year/
The REAL “T-rump Effect”. Just like eminent domain and anything else conservative. As soon as T-rump says a word against the idea, the personality slaves fall in line.