Trump and Never-Trump Closing Arguments
Argument for America versus The Sociopath
Two important videos came out in the past couple of days.
First, was Donald Trumps’s closing argument. A two-minute video, released on November 4, that is to be aired on television and has several hundred thousand views on YouTube already. It also has garnered widespread media attention.
Joe Scarborough tweeted:
GOP candidates who want to win Michigan, OH, PA & the White House in the future should borrow heavily from this ad.
In contrast stands the 45-minute Never Trump closing argument produced by Ben Howe and released on November 3. The film is called The Sociopath.
It’s receiving accolades from people opposed to Trump at any cost, even if that cost is President Hillary Clinton.
In this election year, I’m not sure The Sociopath will make a difference. It’s not that it’s too little, too late. It’s that the title of the film also could have been Hillary’s life story.
That’s the problem.
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“Donald Trump’s Argument For America” is a nice work, an excellent summary. The other one: who knows, who cares. If they would have spent just half the energy going after Obama that they have going after Trump we might just be in a bit better position than we are.
Our election is about who is voted into an office, not who is pissed off about who knows what and we’re supposed to infer by their not voting. I just don’t want to hear their moaning and groaning should Hillary be elected. There’s sure to be a hellish four years with her in the Oval Office.
That’s why: Trump/Pence 2016!
“If they would have spent just half the energy going after Obama that they have going after Trump we might just be in a bit better position than we are.”
Why would they? Obama is one of them.
I’m surprised nobody is picking up on anti-Semitism. Trump was campaigning with Nugent yesterday…
Well, the arguments are simple enough. Trump knows all the best words, my personal favorite being ‘bigly’, while Hillary stood by her man. (((Yawn))).
“We have, in a fit of national madness, nominated as our major-party candidates two of the worst of us, two people who are morally and intellectually unfit for the office of the presidency — or for any other office of public trust. There is no good outcome on the ballot…
-snip-
This is not the end. The people who are telling you that it is — on both sides — are trying to sell you something. Don’t buy it. On Tuesday, those who vote will have a choice between A and B. On Wednesday, there will be choices, too: about our jobs, our businesses, our families, our schools, our churches, and cities and states, what we tweet and what we post on Facebook. Citizenship doesn’t start and stop on a Tuesday in November, and voting is hardly the full, or even the most important, expression of what we owe our country, which includes what we owe to those who came before and those who come after. It wasn’t elections that built this country, as important as those are. We will survive Election Day 2016 and its consequences. And we will have exactly the sort of country we choose to have, because there is nobody building it but us.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441780/2016-election-not-apocalypse
Read the whole thing.
The choice between stinking, lying, PATHOLOGICAL Collectivist thugs is easy.
Neither are fit.
“The choice between stinking, lying, PATHOLOGICAL Collectivist thugs is easy.
Neither are fit.”
If one were to go through your posts for the last year they would come to the conclusion you are “pathological”.
You wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you in…
And yet, like it or not, we will have one or the other. There is no other choice. You get to choose. Pretending there is no difference just because you don’t personally like the man is pathological. Equating the two is pathological.
There is a pathology here, but it is not what you think it is.
See, Barry, you just back to outright lying again.
I’ve never done what you said. I’ve never had to.
Both those people are unfit to serve. I won’t vote for an unfit candidate, as I’ve said for over a year and a half.
You WILL, and you’ll lie for one. THAT is pathological.
See rags, once again you use the term “lie”, and you cannot and never have posted a single lie ever told by me.
That is pathological.
Now, once you get over yourself, let’s be clear. I have an opinion. If I am wrong it is not a “lie”. I make mistakes. Those are not lies.
You have a pathological hatred of anything Trump. Or those that support him.
Post any lie I have told. Any.
“You get to choose. Pretending there is no difference just because you don’t personally like the man is pathological. Equating the two is pathological.”
Those are the two most recent, and on this thread.
I’ve done neither thing, liar. Ever, liar.
Pathological.
My opinion. True of course, but still just my opinion. If that is the best you can do, just admit it, you over use certain terms – “lie”, “collectivist”, “pathological”.
It is clear to any rational person.
“I won’t vote for an unfit candidate, as I’ve said for over a year and a half.”
Of course you would, you voted for McCain.
From Tom Nichols:
“Trump’s deep corrosion of our national identity, both at home and abroad, has been immediate and it will be lasting. Trump has ground away at what was once the basic decency of American voters, trying to erode their faith in their own institutions rather than risk any affront to his spun-glass ego.”
By contrast, Hillary is ordinary evil.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/tom-nichols-trump-cost-america-article-1.2858701
I would say it’s the last eight years that have done more damage to American’s faith in our institutions rather than anything Trump has done this election season. The single most damaging event of this election cycle would be in my opinion the refusal by FBI director Comey that Clinton not be brought up on charges. If that wasn’t a severe body blow or perhaps a knock out punch to the rule of law here in America then I don’t know what is! That event I think is what really exposed for millions across this nation just how corrupt our government has become while at the same time destroying any hope they may have had that it would right itself. Should Clinton win on Tuesday I well and truly believe there will be open revolts against the U.S. government during her presidency and not small ones! She is that hated in much of this country, especially once you get out of the big liberal cities!
Of course Obama damaged our institutions. Nichols ‘s (and mine) argument is that Trump managed to damaged our institutions and social fabric without ever serving in an elected position.
And no, there’s not going to be an armed uprising iwhen Hillary is elected. Life will return to normal, she will be in investigated by the Congress, there’s not going to be an FBI indictment and in four years we will have a new president (if the GOP doesn’t goof off again).
“Life will return to normal, she will be in investigated by the Congress, there’s not going to be an FBI indictment and in four years we will have a new president (if the GOP doesn’t goof off again).”
Well, you certainly are earning the “Kook” moniker today.
First, as a reminder, you are a declared Hillary voter.
Second, your faith, such that it is, that after 4 years of Hillary, the country will be ripe for a “true conservative” is falsifiable. We’ve had 8 years of Obama and you think that is not enough. And you think the GOPe is going to nominate a “true conservative” should they be able? Sure, pull the other one.
The GOPe’s ability to manipulate the electorate is done.
Should Clinton win, nothing prevents Trump from running again in 4 years. And we’ll be right here, waiting.
Well if there is any one thing I’ll agree on if Hillary wins is that there will be a new president in 4 years. I don’t think her health will hold out for a second term.
“It wasn’t elections that built this country, as important as those are.”
Elections determine the direction the country will take. If we keep moving in a direction that despises the individual and promotes collectivism, it WILL be elections that destroyed our nation.
rags, at the end of the day .. either Hillary or DJT will be the president
of the US. it took me a bit to get my mind around it. I was going
to sit this one out .. (my first since I started voting in 1975)
or vote Libertarian … but Hillary is just too bad .. we KNOW
what her positions are on gun, abortions, the SCOTUS,
individual rights and so on.
DJT we don’t know … he could screw us over .. BUT
there is an equal chance actually a better chance
that he will do us much better.
I will take the dice toss over a suspected felon.
Again, you won’t find me slamming you over a vote of conscience.
I DO skewer the T-rump sucking cult, however. Just as I do any Collectivists.
We mostly all know what T-rump is, and it ain’t fit to serve. But I do get your conclusion as to your choice.
Daniel Hannan says it very well…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qSdFO6T5EI&index=1&list=PLwbCAr7Ox3Qutz7CNq2XEMNNPux7NGnZe
Thanks rags, I cannot remember anyone putting this duopoly problem in a better context.
And I would like to add to the pile of important articles, this Mark Perry post entitled: “Why Donald Trump won’t be able to bring US factory jobs back — unless he can negotiate with progress and technology.” Trump says he will add 25 million well-paying manufacturing jobs, so this article might well be subtitled: Promises that Trump can’t keep.”
TL, DR.
Except for a takeaway:
Have you ever been to China? South Korea? Japan? Emerging countries?
I have been to some 80 countries in my long manufacturing career. I went to China when, in the early morning, people rode into work on bicycles by the tens of thousands. On the China east coast. In a period of about 20 years there was a change in the scenery. Factory after factory went up. The landscape literally changed from one month to the next. Factories. Built upon the decline of manufacturing in the USA.
We may someday have no human manufacturing. But we are not there yet, not by a longshot. That we have outstanding productivity increases does not diminish manufacturing, it increases it, as the costs come down making products ever more affordable. that is what you’re missing. The factories are being built, the products are pouring out, and it is not being done in the USA. It is in China, South Korea, India, etc.
I have been, and still am, involved in those labor reducing manufacturing innovations. Each one increases output. And employs even more people.
Balance of trade might be a clue.
As noted, you are a liar. Plus, as noted often, you are an economics idiot…like the Great God Cheeto.
As noted, you have a pathology.
Name the lie. You can’t. You just cannot help yourself. It is a pathological condition.
What your really hate is the truth. That you cannot abide.
I did find a mistake, 80 is incorrect, 50 + a few is the correct number. Not sure how I got 80 in there.
“I have been, and still am, involved in those labor reducing manufacturing innovations. Each one increases output. And employs even more people.”
That’s not only a lie, it’s a thumpingly STUPID lie.
In EVERY Western nation, the number of people employed in manufacturing has declined over the last several decades, even as US manufacturing output is currently at an all-time high.
I honestly wonder at what you have for bad wiring in that “mind” of yours.
“That’s not only a lie, it’s a thumpingly STUPID lie.
In EVERY Western nation, the number of people employed in manufacturing has declined over the last several decades, even as US manufacturing output is currently at an all-time high.”
In EVERY Asian nation, the number of people employed in manufacturing has increased over the last several decades.
Manufacturing in Asia has displaced manufacturing in the USA. The massive trade imbalance shows this very clearly for those that do not otherwise know what has taken place.
Regardless of the fact that US manufacturing output is at a high, it would be much higher, employing people in good paying jobs had we not sold out. And sell out we have.
A couple weeks ago I was on vacation and spent 3 days working online. A machine designed here in the USA by my company, built in Asia, sold by a European company under their name, and installed in Africa… I do know a thing or three about manufacturing and trade. You do not. Your mind is warped by reading those that could care less about what happens to the manufacturing base in this country. Note: I am not saying you do not care, but the people you read do not. And you buy that swill hook, line, and sinker. Pretty soon no one will be left to afford your civil services, or have a complaint against an employer.
Your keyboard keys L, I, and E are getting worn off. It is a pathological wearing.
“Regardless of the fact that US manufacturing output is at a high, it would be much higher, employing people in good paying jobs had we not sold out. And sell out we have.”
Bullshit, Butt-hurt Barri…!!! Plus, you forgot to smear Mexico…!!!
You’re really falling down on the T-rumpian propaganda program!
As I pointed out…and you’ve been forced to tacitly admit…you are an economics moron as is the Great God Cheeto. Americans are NEVER going to have “good-paying jobs” snapping screens in smart phones, OR sewing T-rump clothing together.
Your stupid claims are like claiming that we’d have far more people in agriculture if we didn’t allow fruit and veggies from South American and Africa into the US. Again, this is simple bullshit.
But it is who you are…
You are as ignorant about manufacturing as you are about everything else.
There is a bit more than “snapping screens in smart phones, OR sewing T-rump clothing together”. There is a synergy in manufacturing where the more complicated manufacturing creates the surrounding industry, machine shops, specialty manufacturing, etc. That surrounding industry then enables the lower tech industry to prosper, the screen snappers and sewers for example. We lost the synergy, and the smaller business along with it.
But you know nothing of this.
You poor moron, I know more about all that good stuff than you do.
What I ALSO know is that the “synergistics” you allude to…the higher end business of manufacturing…is what we do in the US. We do it because we do it MOST competitively. And we provide it to others everywhere in a world-wide market.
This is an application of the law of competitive advantage, you poor boob.
But you know noting of this… This is why T-rump can lie to you, and you eat it like it’s candy.
I go back to your previous astoundingly stupid statement that technology results in more people servicing a given sector (manufacturing in that case). That will live in memory as one of the most stupid things I’ve heard in a long time.
“I go back to your previous astoundingly stupid statement that technology results in more people servicing a given sector (manufacturing in that case). That will live in memory as one of the most stupid things I’ve heard in a long time.”
Apparently you learned nothing in that MBA program. Apparently you know nothing of economic history.
Generally speaking, when you use the term “stupid” it indicates you are way out of your depth.
What is telling is your opinion of people in manufacturing as a bunch of “screen snappers”.
I’m off to a manufacturing job this morning. Enjoy the election results. Try not to let it break your heart.
Poor Barri. You’ve beclowned yourself, and intentionally distorted what I have actually said. Dishonesty on display.
American manufacturing will never offer “good-paying jobs” in areas in which we hold no competitive advantage…ever again. T-rump has lied to you, and your economic ignorance lets you slavishly eat his bullshit.
What he will do, if he follows what he has said, is damage our economy, and that of the world we trade with. He will COST American jobs.
I remember why I voted for Bill Clinton. He was so focused on what he wanted to do in the White House, he listened intently to the American people, and he had a long list of policy initiatives. He also had boundless energy for campaigning.
I do not get any of that from Hillary. All she wants to do is get us plebes out of the way, so she can hobnob with the richest, scummiest people she find, many of whom are not even Americans. As Secretary of State, she gave priority to FOBs (with $) and not to actually getting anything done.
Meanwhile, there is someone with a plan for his first 100 days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cau6UAtxV_w
I don’t agree with all of this, and I can see that a President cannot accomplish all of this on his own. I do think he has some insight into the problems we have, and the things we should be talking about. That’s another similarity to what I liked about Bill Clinton — he genuinely wants to talk about the things we could and should do as a nation.
Is it sexist for me to notice that two male Presidential candidates have in common traits that I think Hillary Clinton lacks? I don’t think it is. I would have voted for her, if I had the opportunity in 2008. Since then, I have seen her performance in high public office, and I am not favorably impressed.
I caught a snippet of a Hillary speech on Rush Limbaugh (the one and only reason I listened to her). She was replying to this question of what has she accomplished in 30 years. She recounted that she has been a lawyer, a First Lady, a Senator, a Secretary of State, a wife, a mother, and “a woman all [her] life.” (I didn’t quite know what to make of that last one.) For sure, it’s an impressive list, yet one would think there would be at least one truly notable achievement that could be attributed to her.
Moreover, when she finished, I remember thinking, “Damn, she just can not answer a question directly.” Her statement reminded about Sarah Palin’s observation that flying a million miles in itself is not an accomplishment. Sure, Hillary can identify these titles, etc. However, exactly what has she done while holding these positions besides being Godmother of the Clinton Crime Family?
Notice how Rag pretend to be independent in print and then downvotes your legitimate criticism of Hillary Clinton?
Consider the source.
There’s a way to determine the up/down ticks?
Yes.
See, if I make a post, and suddenly everything is downvoted by 1, it’s a coincidence.
If it happens 2 times in a row, its a tell.
3 times is a pattern.
Fen,
One of the websites had a comment that users of the Windows platform could see who was making up/down ticks by following a certain procedure. I forget the specifics. Comment enough and one is bound to get a mix of both.
“We will survive Election Day 2016”
No. You really won’t. And National Review, of all outlets, pushing this fantasy is hillarious.
First off, 4 years of Hillary means 8. And in those 8 years, Hillary will continue Obama’s tactic of resettling amnestied illegals and muslim refuges in swing states by the millions, turning the Electoral College blue forever. Permanent one party rule. There won’t be an opposition party, much less a 3rd party alternative. There will only be Cuckservatives like NR arguing for Dem-lite policies.
Second, my people will never forget the day your wing of the GOP betrayed us over Trump. Every election cycle since Reagan we were told to hold our nose and vote for the RINO for the sake of party unity, and we did so. Then it came to be your turn, and you betrayed that principle. So we no longer trust you.
This is on top of the constant betrayals – amnesty now for border control maybe never (3 times now), omnibus spending betrayals, the Robert’s flip, abdicating your treaty powers to greenlight Iran’s nuke program, sliming the civil grass roots Tea Party and then having the nerve to complain about Trump’s obnoxious rhetoric, etc.
If your boys at NR think things will just go back to normal after Trump loses (or wins) they are yesterday’s men. Out of touch and out of time.
Its as I said before – if Trump loses, I will cash in. I will go work for the Dems and tell them where all the bodies are buried. And I’m not alone in this. I would rather see the GOP burn to the ground than reward the people who stuck a knife in our backs.
The Dems are corrupt thieves. But there is a reason we only incarcerate thieves. Traitors we hang.
Crazy. Magic thinking on display again.
It only takes a slight nudge to push you into nutter-land.
I don’t have a “wing” in the GOP, fruitcake. I’ve been an independent for several decades.
And you are a Collectivist, supporting the Collectivist T-rump.
Rag: “Crazy. Magic thinking on display again.”
Ah yes, more “sharp” analysis from the Sally Struthers School of Law.
“I don’t have a wing in the GOP, fruitcake. I’ve been an independent for several decades.”
Nah. You’re obviously a Moby. Your posts are the proof. Every issue on this blog, you take the Establishment position. And now you are trying to sell the line that “elections don’t matter”.
“And you are a Collectivist, supporting the Collectivist T-rump”
I don’t think you understand what a Collectivist is. You use that insult on everyone here. And I supported Walker and then Cruz. I even went to work for Cruz. My support of Trump is only to stop Hillary.
But you are fine with Hillary winning. You are probably creaming yourself at the thought of all the GOP fundraising opportunities you can leverage as she persecutes us.
Not gonna happen baby. This is your last election.
BWWWWaaaaaaHAHAHAHA…
Poor lil’ punk-assed bitch…!!!
You and your “people” are gonna rain down death and deprivation on the GOP…!!!
What a pathetic little looser…!!!
I know perfectly well what a Collectivist is. And you’re one, you T-rump sucking myrmidon.
I wish you knew how to properly insult someone. This isn’t even sporting.
Go easy on Rags. It’s after 10PM and he’s probably finished off another bottle of scotch by now.
I think you have to admit, though, that “myrmidon” was rather creative. So much so, that I am now going to have to use Google to look up what it means… .
“I know perfectly well what a Collectivist is.”
Of course you do. Which means you are perfectly willing to misuse the term and apply it to anyone who disagrees with your silly assessment.
You’ve made “collectivist” as relevant as the media calling someone a racist.
Grow up.
Good. If you know what a collectivist is, tell us. Define it. Then apply the definition and discuss how that definition fits the people you apply it to.
Look up Nock, Albert Jay and read up.
Broadly, all statist notions of government are Collectivist.
They are antithetical to the ideas and ideals of individual liberty and freedom America was founded on.
T-rump is a New York Progressive, as is family (read Ivanka’s comments on women, child-care, etc.). T-rump is a statist, and my enemy in terms of our most basic political beliefs and drives.
He’ also a liar and a fraud.
“T-rump is a New York Progressive…”
And what kind of progressive is John McCain? Who you voted for…
“Broadly, all statist notions of government are Collectivist.”
You claim you will not vote for a “collectivist”. By your broad definition this most certainly includes the following:
Romney, McCain, Bush 2, Bush 1.
Yet, you voted for all of them.
You will of course ignore that simple fact.
What I will overlook is your broke-dick stupid opinion.
As I often do. Normally I just ignore you.
” Normally I just ignore you.”
Yep, whenever the question becomes impossible to answer without showing you as the true hypocrite, you run off and hide.
“You claim you will not vote for a “collectivist”. By your broad definition this most certainly includes the following:
Romney, McCain, Bush 2, Bush 1.
Yet, you voted for all of them.
You will of course ignore that simple fact.”
And of course you ignore it. “broke-dick” indeed. Busted.
Yep. Busted, broke-dick, stupid and dishonest.
That’s Butt-hurt Barri in a nutshell. Where he belongs.
Still not answering the very simple question.
You do know how to type “lie” though. Every one that reads can see your avoiding the simple truth.
“Yep. Busted, broke-dick, stupid and dishonest.
That’s Butt-hurt Barri in a nutshell. Where he belongs.”
You were asking for an example of “ad hominem”. There you go.
Fen, you don’t talk like a former Cruz supporter. He was all about conservatism, rule of law, smaller government. He proposed detailed plans to move in those directions.
Trump, on the other hand, is unprincipled, undisciplined, and unqualified to be president. He is not conservative. He doesn’t know the first thing about bringing down the “establishment” nor do any of you Trump Trolls. We can pray that none of the idiocies that Trump has proposed will come to pass because whatever he changes will likely make things horribly worse for all of us.
If you have been hanging around blogs for as long as I have, the last thing you would call rags is a moby – a left-wing troll. I would suggest that you lookup “collectivist” if you don’t know what that word means.
As for me, I am voting Libertarian for exactly the reasons that Daniel Hannan states. My conservative conscience would not permit me to vote for a known liar, crook and misogynist. Trump Trolls have Hillary convicted and in jail but no one knows the future outcome of the Trump University scam and the pending civil suit against Trump for rape.
Trump has another insurmountable problem – his businesses, which he will not put into a blind trust. That means that family will run the businesses and constantly get Donald’s permission to act. So is he likely to be a part-time president just like Obama?
Yet Cruz has voted for Trump. Do you know why? He’s a realist. He understand there are only two actual candidates who have a chance a winning. You DO have to choose one of them. Should you choose to vote third party, you’ve chosen Hillary. Do the math, it’s not hard.
Cruz’s donors threatened to cut him off.
Evidence?
I’m glad you are asking for evidence. Please nourish inquisitiveness:
“The real degradation since then, though, came due to those who had been some of Cruz’s most prominent backers. The Mercer family and Peter Thiel played critical roles in elevating Cruz from a virtual unknown in the state of Texas to knocking off a popular Lieutenant Governor in an extremely competitive primary. Now they are prominent backers of Donald Trump, and the threat of a well-backed primary campaign for Cruz in 2018 was increasingly real, with Rep. Michael McCaul and former Gov. and DWTS star Rick Perry showing themselves to be very competitive against him. Cruz’s former media backers had turned on the populist, and the potential for a well-backed challenger against Cruz in Texas was real. Had Trump lost narrowly to Hillary Clinton, as seems the likeliest outcome today, the timing of Cruz’s race would’ve made him public enemy number one among the Trump crew.”
http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/23/the-real-reasons-ted-cruz-just-endorsed-donald-trump/
Actually as the woman who brought the case has dropped it, we sorta do know how that rape case is coming out. Just saying.
Businessmen learn how to delegate.
gadfly: “Fen, you don’t talk like a former Cruz supporter. He was all about conservatism, rule of law, smaller government. He proposed detailed plans to move in those directions.”
Yah, those are the things I support and are why I went to work for him. And especially because he fought the rot that has settled into the Establishment wing of the GOP. But he didn’t make it.
“Trump, on the other hand, is – ”
Doesn’t matter. The ONLY thing that matters now is stopping Hillary Clinton. Because she is above the rule of law.
Trump could be Hitler incarnate and he would STILL be a better choice – for one simple reason – he will be held accountable by our checks and balances, Hillary (as we have already seen) will not be held accountable. She is above the law.
“As for me, I am voting Libertarian for exactly the reasons that Daniel Hannan states. My conservative conscience would not permit me to vote for a known liar, crook and misogynist.”
Me me me I I I. This isn’t about you and your precious “principles”. This is about keeping the most corrupt woman in American history away from the power of the Executive Branch. Her persecution of us will make Obama’s look like a bitch slap.
“Trump Trolls have Hillary convicted and in jail but no one knows the future outcome of the Trump University scam and the pending civil suit against Trump for rape.”
I really don’t know what to say to someone who equates Trump’s “scandals” with Hillary’s known 30 year history of corruption. Sorry, the fault must be mine for not being able to understand where you are coming from, but all I am left with is that such a position is grossly naive or deliberately dishonest.
Consider:
If a President Trump gets out of line, the MSM will eviscerate him (as they already do) and the Establishment will Impeach him before his blood is dry. The LOATHE him. Trump will not be able to tie his shoelaces wrong without them jumping his case. They will be on his ass 24/7 from day 1.
But if a President Hillary gets out of line, the MSM will censor the story (as they already do) and the Establishment will either cave or cover for her. Because Hillary Clinton is above the rule of law. Hell, she just squashed an FBI investigation and destroyed its credibility. The FBI….
Both candidates suck. And yes, Trump is a celebrity blowhard, a doofus, a jerk, the next Hitler, whatever. And I wish there was a better choice in range to stop Hillary, but he’s all we have left.
And voting for some 3rd party unicorn is just an exercise in Vanity, virtue signaling that you are superior and above all this nonsense, your hands are washed clean… Grats I guess.
It’s a simple choice, when presented with 2 poor candidates you vote for the one who is not above the law.
Here we go – a life lesson for the Principled Crowd:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLw6XEBihn8
I’ve asked time and again since last year to name one Congressman, just one, who called this administration to task, putting it all on the line: career, reputation, wealth, etc. I know there were those who actively opposed Obama, yet not to the degree that they’ve been going after Trump.
I’m not waiting for another election like they have kept telling us to do. This is it, like the choices or not. If Hillary is elected, the name of the country might as well be changed to the United Socialists States of America.
Yup. Its amazing how the GOP can go to “extraordinary measures” to make Trump sign a loyalty pledge, but could never use such “extraordinary measures” to defend the issues and concerns of the base.
If they had gone after Obama with half the zeal they had used trashing Trump, Trump never would have broken 9% and we would be cheering for Bush/Rubio right now.
But they chose instead to sell us out in exchange for a better table at Martha’s Vineyard. “Something closer to Oprah please… and did you hear Chris Mathews praise me as a Maverick Moderate? [blush] He even said if I did his term paper, he might take me to prom!”
I was, and still am, a Cruz supporter: I know him personally and worked for him in the primaries. Trump sure pissed me off about how he treated Cruz. But that was then.
I support Trump and have voted for him. Hillary is a certain disaster. Trump may do some good things. It was an easy decision for me.
That’s to your credit. I do believe there is more potential for the upside with Trump than with Hillary. Frankly, I couldn’t think of one reason she would get my vote.
Where did you work? I was on Team Cruz after Walker stepped out. Mostly in Texas and Florida. We may have shared the same foxholes. LOL small world!
California.
This is it, like the choices or not. If Hillary is elected, the name of the country might as well be changed to the United Socialists States of America.
Absolutely right.
Whether it’ll be a socialist or fascist takeover is all very good discussion material, but of little practical importance. If Hillary wins, we’ll have witnessed the last election in US history. There will be others, but they’ll just be for show; nobody will be fooled.
This is the make-or-break moment for the totalitarian takeover of the United States. They’ve dropped most of the pretenses and are pretty much out in the open. The mechanisms are in place; State is preparing to flood the country with illegals, the IRS has been turned into the official harassment arm of The Party, Justice will protect them all from punishment for their crimes, and there won’t be any need for a government Department of Propaganda because the press will handle all that voluntarily. Since they’re out in the open, it will be essentially impossible for them to go back underground for another try in a generation or two; they must win this time, and I expect them to do whatever they think will do the job.
Even worse, there’s been speculation—and moderately well-founded speculation, I’d say—that Hillary will push a war with Russia, because the Illuminati (whoever the hell they are) can’t tolerate such an intensely nationalistic—and, even worse, unapologetically white—polity on any planet they want to rule.
Or Hillary could drop dead. People I know who are qualified to have an opinion believe that she’s shown the symptoms of Parkinson’s Disease for over a decade. If they’re right, that implies that her time’s just about up. Not that that will do us much good; I’m sure George Soros (who’s more than a bit senile himself these days) has a list of suitable successors ready.
Time’s up. We go with Trump, or we throw in the towel.
The question that raises is: upon such a totalitarian installation, does the concept of armed insurrection and withdrawal from the United States of America by large swaths/States become inevitable? (Ignore the “well that’s illegal per SCOTUS stare decisis” horse-hocky that we can all argue about all day long for the moment).
Texas is the logical candidate, and if so raised, does Arkansas, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee, Oklahoma and Missouri go with it? Separately, if that occurs, does California, Nevada, Oregon and Washington separately break off into their own Nation with an entirely Progressive bent?
As for Sec. Clinton dropping dead from her Parkinson’s Disease, there is a question of timing. I’ve stated elsewhere that if she can make it past the 24 month mark, she can effectively anoint Kaine as President by a well-timed resignation for “her health,” install him into the Presidency for two years, and give him an incumbent advantage to run in 2020 for two full terms of his own, providing for 20 years of Democrat Presidential control.
Texas is the logical candidate
I’d say so. Particularly as the problem of foreign invasion would be most acute in the southern border states.
The mistake last time ’round was making secession a shooting war right from the start. If they can avoid that I think it’s very possible that a breakoff could be successful.
I don’t see Texas as a good candidate. Certainly the state would have the will and the political ability, but not militarily.
I’m pretty sure Missouri ( as in Saint Louis ) and louisiana I as In Jindel ) won’t go. Oklahoma would be the best bet. I fiogure about half of those.
So Texas et al leave. What happens. First Mexico will see it as a plumb opportunity to take back chunks of Texas.
If only a few states go, then Hillary will be happy to let them go and have a more stronger liberal bent, probably creating a veto proof Congress. But the new North would still be antagonistic to Texas. So it will wind up in a two front virtual struggle, with nowhere near enough land or people.
Worse if more then half of possible states go with it, because then Hillary couldn’t let it stand and you would have an open two front war.
Something happened at a Trump rally in Reno, NV.
Does anyone have a clue?
Rushed of the stage by the Secret Service..
A number of police escorted a man from the bldg. Details forthcoming.
“Secret Service agents rushed Donald trump offstage on Saturday evening during a rally in Reno, Nevada after they determined a protester in the audience with a gun posed a threat to the Republican presidential candidate.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3909514/Donald-Trump-rushed-away-Secret-Service-speaking-Reno-rally.html#ixzz4PBlVuHzk
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Gee, I hope he’s OK.
Then I hope his plane collides with Hellary’s plane over Kansas.
That would go far to re-instill my belief in a god…
What did Kansas ever do to you?
(Snerk! Sorry, couldn’t resist. Hey, I live here.)
I down voted your sorry ass, but I was laughing when I did it. 🙂
Yes, Trumpies attacked a man carrying “Republicans against Trump ” sign, then screamed “gun!” Causing the commotion. No weapon was found on the protestors who was released.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/06/trump-protester-i-was-beaten-for-holding-a-republicans-against-trump-sign?CMP=share_btn_link
The Guardian? Yeah, right. Remind me again which Party’s already had one of it’s supporters try an assassination of Trump, has openly admitted on camera to paying for people to go to the opposing candidate’s rallies and cause violence?
I’ll wait.
USSS let the guy go. There was no assassination attempt.
The Guardian happened to interview him.
Come Wednesday morning, those of us who retain our sanity and balance in life will…
continue our sanity and balance in life.
Regardless of which stinking, lying, PATHOLOGICAL Collectivist thuggish puke has been elected, we’ll carry on being who we are.
“There will only be Cuckservatives like NR arguing for Dem-lite policies.”
WOOOOOOOP, there it is…!!!
The alt-right call of the Blood and Soil bois…!!!
I knew I could flush you out, Fen, given enough time…
Hah. When Herbert wrote that “no man is proof against himself” he missed one. You out yourself with your “alt-right” nonsense.
You were better off insulting everyone here as “collectivists”.
But dancing on the grave of my dead father was your best moment – showed us your true colors.
You claim you went to law school. Can you prove it? Because your demeanor and rhetoric makes me wonder if you even attended college.
You have no class. I think you are just some dropout still living in his mom’s basement. Your ad homs don’t even rise above the level of something I see on Occupy or Dem Underground.
Can you prove you attended college? Law school?
Oh, of course!, you lying little bung sucker!
Easiest thing in the world for me.
Just you drop an email to Prof. Jacobson, and he’ll tell you he knows my law firm address. I’ll supply him my state bar of Texas bar number at his request.
Now you prove your daddy ever argued before the supremes, you lying little sack of filth.
So you can’t provide proof you actually attended college, much less law school.
And you still don’t realize that your teenage rant rhetoric marks you as someone of low class with education.
Maybe we should lower the bar. High school?
Please say yes. I’m starting to feel guilty, like I’ve been picking on a mentally handicapped person.
Any bung sucking moron can find the Professor’s email.
Use it, liar.
Why are you dragging him into this.
You made the claim. Your words don’t match it.
Did the Sally Struthers School of Law not teach you how to back your assertions with proof? You should go back and demand a refund, they ripped you off.
I can easily confirm through the Texas bar, so put up or shut up.
And shame on you for disgracing the good name of Texas with your sophomoronic bullshit.
I’ll happily prove up who and what I am through the intermediary of the Prof., you lying sack of shit.
Now. YOU prove your “daddy” ever argued before the supremes.
While you’re at it, send your DD-214 to the Prof., showing you were ever in the Marines.
Mine is on file, and I’ll HAPPILY send it to the Prof. to verify.
Waiting, you lying sack of filth….
Professor, I am asking you to ban the poster Ragspierre until after the election is over, for wishing death on a candidate in an election.
Actually, Val, I wished death on two candidate in an election.
And not for the first time, either.
You may just have to suck it…
Rag: “You may just have to suck it”
Suck what? We’ve already established that you are a Gelded Cuck.
Rags, Fen, take this to PM’s please.
I don’t mind a bit of vitriol when you are on-point, but you two sound like James Carville, and Mary Matalin on their second date.
On-point myself: One choice here. Vote for the undocumented felon with a 20+ year track record, or vote for the jackass with little impulse control.
On the one side, nothing will change. The people brought with the Felonocrat’s campaign are the same folks that have been driving our government devolution for the last several decades. They’re certainly not going to stop when they’ve finally taken control of everything.
On the other side, you can vote for the egomaniacal jackass with a factory-rat vocabulary, who proposes things that the silent majority agree with, and proposing to clean up the sewer that is our representative gvt.
One is a guaranteed failure, one is a possible failure
Agreed. He is not here in good faith.
He is poisoning your comments and driving off sane and reasonable people who want analysis without drama. Arguing a difference of opinion is one thing, uncivil ad hom is not.
Others will choose to take the high road with him, I will not. The only effective way to shut down a bully is to throat punch him.
So says the lying sack of filth who pretends to support “free speech”.
What a pitiful lil’ Collectivist bung sucker…
All partisanship aside, I think you need to get help. There is something very wrong with you.
Ace said it best: “You assume everyone is thinking ‘wow what a sick burn Rags just landed. But what they are really wondering is ‘how sad that this is that losers only interaction with the world’
And if you and the prof really are best buds, why are you soiling his living room with your filth? Its not what respectable friends do to other friends. He would be wise to show you the door.
Whatever you may have been is lost. You’ve become unhinged.
Wow. Ace said that about ME…???
Provide a link, you lying sack of filth.
We’re all waiting for you to provide the proof I demanded.
(You won’t, of course, because you are a congenital liar. From you “daddy’s” side?)
Rag: “We’re all waiting for you to provide the proof I demanded.”
Yes, you and your sockpuppets.
Meanwhile, “we” are waiting for the professor to show you the door.
Why don’t you slime my dead father some more while we wait. It really adds to the atmosphere of this blog. I’m sure its what the Professor intended when he started this up…
STILL waiting, you lying sack of filth…
I can do this all night while you duck and dodge.
Just so you know that down arrow was a fat finger not intentional.
Rags is incoherent, drunk on self importance. ..
Good name, rag…it was a very derogatory word when I was growing up, calling someone a rag, being on the “rag”…throw out those old rags…
Fitting for you I think.
You are gonzo. I am Ragspierrie.
You suck. I breath.
Dude, you aren’t even a decent troll.
Ragspierrie?
Rhymes with dingleberry.
Unsubscribe.
wow! this comment thread has deteriorated. For years, I have read and enjoyed Rags pointed and informed comments. Tonite, not so much.
Maybe we should all chip in and buy Rags a breathalyzer for his keyboard.
And there’s an obvious root cause…
A T-rumpian turd swirl here that won’t tolerate dissent from the cultist orthodoxy.
This is what T-rump and T-rumpism inspires. Look up at the first posts I made at the top of the thread. For those I was immediately and personally attacked.
I do fight back, and I will today and tomorrow, so things can get ugly, like having some asshole imply I’m drunk.
Dissent is one thing. Ad-hominen vituperation is not dissent, it is abuse.
Let’s test your reading comprehension and capacity for telling the truth.
Go up to the top of the thread. Use the time stamps.
Where did anything I posted early on use ANY ad hominem?
Where did that start, and with which poster(s)?
Rags is LI’s version of road rage. He exhibits the same lack of impulse control and anti social behavior. Just like the guy who causes the 20 car wreck, when the cops arrive he points to the guy he brake checked and says, “It’s his fault. He cut me off!”
Another example of an (obviously) unprovoked personal attack by a T-rump sucking cultist in another attempt at trolling.
Thank you for proving my point.
VaG, what on earth made you feel the need to goad him here? I’m serious, what possible purpose could your comment have . . . beyond instigating a fight? You can be very reasonable and have, too infrequently, made insightful and thought-provoking comments. Why do you insist on spending your time here trolling Rags? I don’t get it. Sincerely, I don’t get the obsession you people have with Rags.
But one thing is certain, if it weren’t Rags, it would be someone else. Barry, I think, was the last one offered up as a leftist Hillary hack probably paid for by Soros. Or something. Like a gaggle of high school mean girls, you people just obsess about Rags out of spite or a sense of inadequacy, or who knows what. The next target is likely Barry, whom I will also defend with vigor, but if not Barry another commenter. This is a pattern of power, not hate; success simply means you add another person to your target list. Mean girls do this in high school.
How about we all go one whole day without being snarky, nasty, insulting, or otherwise wasting time and space by sniping at and/or insisting Rags be banned? One day. One blessed day of peace from the “We’re too stupid to figure out that continually attacking and baiting Rags is a massive waste of time” brigade.
Newsflash: he won’t be banned. Egg him on all you want; we can read. Demand, politely request, grovel on your hands and knees that he be banned, and it won’t make one whit of difference. No matter what you people say or do, he won’t be banned. Live with it and move on. Stop wasting your–and our– time belittling yourselves posting the same tired nonsense about Rags that we’ve been reading for a year or more.
If you don’t like what he says, ignore him . . . but that’s never really the case, is it? No matter what he says, or if he says nothing at all, some snarky someone has to whinge on about him.
It’s madness. Banging your head against a brick wall. The definition of insanity (as in doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results). Pick your metaphor. It doesn’t matter. Rags stays. You can keep obsessing about it and making your nasty little comments, but he goes nowhere. What is hard to understand about that? Have you not been paying attention?
Wouldn’t you rather offer something to this blog? Your insights, your wisdom, your wit? Some of you can be darned funny, and I love that. Some of you can make me think about things in ways that I hadn’t before. But mostly, lately, all you do is complain about Rags. Why? Who knows. You should know by now that all you do is make him safer here than ever, while your erstwhile Rags-attacking fellows fall into the banned bin. Sometimes more than once.
I don’t get wanting to focus on something you are powerless to change rather than enjoying the truly intelligent and witty commenters on LI. Why are you here if you can’t bother to do anything but obsess about a single commenter? What do you add to this community? At least Rags is intelligent and thoughtful and makes great points. What do you do besides complain and whine and provoke?
Fuzzy: “VaG, what on earth made you feel the need to goad him here? I’m serious, what possible purpose could your comment have”
Maybe he doesn’t like bullies. Maybe he wants a civil debate on the issues devoid of schoolyard cheap shots like “cheeto hair” etc.
On a similar point, I’m weary of False Equivalencers like yourself. You are like the school teacher who stares down at her shoelaces all semester as one kid bullies another all term.
Then, the moment the *victim* strikes back, you rush in with your “both of you need to stop it!” equivalence. It’s an exercise in Vanity, an opportunity for you to virtue signal that you are all Solomon-like, above the fray, willing to call out both side, yada yada blah blah blah. But the truth is you are too cowardly to judge the bully and nip the problem in the bud.
Your actions only enable the bully and make it more likely his future victims will be chilled into not defending themselves or striking back. Which makes you part of the problem.
Additionally, it destroys your own credibility. I only point that out because, by your own words and actions, what appears to motivate you is not any support of Right over Wrong, but what will make you look “pretty” on social media.
Stop doing that. Its dishonest of you. And its a corruption that will handicap you in the future.
What an amazing Master Projectionist…!!!
I used to be “NeverTrump” (out of principle), but the more I think about the possibility of Hillary as President, the more and more I am instead “NeverHillary!!”. With Trump, with all his warts and lies and character issues, it seems to me that there is STILL the possibility that the weight of the office, of actually being President of the United States, might sink into his heart, and mature him. I am certain the same could not be said of Hillary. There is no place for repentance in her, of that I am sure.
“Vote your conscience”, brother.
Funny how that simple, obvious counsel is so threatening to so many.
“Funny how that simple, obvious counsel is so threatening to so many.”
Of course we all know what you really mean – don’t vote for trump.
If it were true, you would not have voted for Romney and McCain, which you did. Where was your conscience then, brother?
“Of course we all know what you really mean – don’t vote for trump.”
Of course, this is another of your numerous lies, liar.
I say what I mean. Which you cannot abide, liar.
“If it were true, you would not have voted for Romney and McCain, which you did. Where was your conscience then, brother?”
I’ve always thought of it being located in my skull.
You conscience may have been dislocated in favor of all the crap you have packed in your skull. We all make choices in life…
Did you not vote for McCain and Romney, Barry? If not, then, following your Trump fan logic, aren’t you, personally, responsible for everything Obama has done to this country and the world?
It’s a fair question.
“It’s a fair question.”
Certainly. I have no problem with the truth. I’m surprised, given the conversations related to this, that you do not recall that I did not vote for Romney. I voted for all the other “collectivists” however, including McCain. (McCain, a man I despise)
Now, “trump fan logic”, is something that is a construct in your mind. You should have noticed by this time that I have not suggested who you should vote for or said you would be to blame if the wicked corrupt witch gets elected, should you not vote Trump but 3rd party / blank ballot.
I do however accept the fact that not voting Romney helped Obama win the second election. In Obama’s re-election, nominating the one person that could not make a case against Obamacare told me everything I had ignored about the GOPe. And at that time it became clear to me, if you expect to ever defeat the left, you will first have to defeat the GOPe. So, no vote for Romney, after a lifetime of voting straight R ticket with one exception (1972 congressman, D, family friend). And no, I did not vote for Obama. I just left that choice blank.
But this, my voting history is not the point. Calling trump a collectivist and declaring you will not vote for a “stinking collectivist”, as Rags has declared over and over, is the point here. If you are going to use the broad (rags own words) definition of collectivist, then by that definition every R since Reagan fits it, and Rags voted for them all. That is the point.
Collectivist? John McCain doesn’t fit that broad definition but Trump does? Pull the other one.
Calling trump a collectivist and declaring you will not vote for a “stinking collectivist”, as Rags has declared over and over, is the point here.
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At least quote me truthfully, Barri.
It’s stinking, lying, PATHOLOGICAL, Collectivist thug.
And you’re simply wrong about your opinion of my opinion.
I could and did vote my conscience with every vote I’ve cast. In the case of McAnus, I was voting for Palin, which was probably a mistake retrospectively. In the case of Romney I was able to vote for an exceptionally fine man who was markedly different than Obama, though I was not thrilled about some of his politics (he was, BTW, to the RIGHT of T-rump on immigration).
“And you’re simply wrong about your opinion of my opinion.
I could and did vote my conscience with every vote I’ve cast.”
I may be wrong in my opinion of your opinion, and you may have “voted your conscience”, but those votes were cast for collectivists pure and simple based upon your broad standard.
I know it, and you know it.
And where the hell is Fuzzy? You ask a question and have no comment? Are you out working like me today? 🙂
Oh, and that “exceptionally fine man”, Romney –
Please square that fine mans glowing praise of Donald Trump in 2012 with his traitorous attitude in 2015/16. Only a “fine man” could be such a turncoat I suppose.
Romney, the grandfather of Obama care, a collectivist notion if I have ever seen one.
You’re ignoring the truth.
Rags says:
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“Vote your conscience”, brother.
Funny how that simple, obvious counsel is so threatening to so many.”
Good advice. Because we all know that a clear conscience will absolutely prevent you from doing something stupid.
Why, VaG, why? Have you thought about this weird need to poke at Rags? I’m serious. You are a thoughtful and sometimes funny person, why would you choose to share your vindictive, bitter, and quite ugly side rather than that other side that we used to see here on LI? I’m baffled by it, and I do wish you’d just ignore Rags (unless he literally attacks you out of the blue, then I will, personally, jump in to defend you–I can say this because he won’t do that, btw).
Can’t you just stop this weird fixation with Rags?? Do you need some kind of Nico-gum like a Rags-gum to fend off the withdrawals? Whatever it takes. Just move on and stop feeling compelled to respond to every Rags comment, whether they have anything to do with you, or, as is usually the case, not.
Great advice, Fuzzy. From now on, when you pester me I’ll just ignore you. Thanks.
Fuzzy,
I thought you’de like to know. The thing you said couldn’t happen just happened:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2016/11/operation-demoralize-is-in-full-swing/#comments
Rags posted:
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Ragspierre | November 7, 2016 at 9:11 pm
Whatever else is true, Wednesday will bring Mourning In America…
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Fen replied (his only post in the thread):
Fen | November 7, 2016 at 9:23 pm
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No. The forces responsible for Trump’s rise will still be in play on Wednesday, win or lose.
If we can’t take down Hillary, we’ll just redouble on taking down the Establishment Party (E). We even have unlikely “allies” from the Bernie Camp.
The Dems are corrupt thieves, and should be in jail.
But traitors we hang.
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I see nothing in his post that was in any way disrespectful to rags. He merely disagreed with his assessment of what Wed would bring.
Rags replied:
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Ragspierre | November 7, 2016 at 9:59 pm
When you and MR. Pocket Mouse hang your first traitor, you be CERTAIN to let us know.
(All the Viagra every made would still leave some little dicks flaccid and laughable._
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It looks to me like an unwarranted, unprovoked personal attack by rags on Fen. How say you?
Well, VaPigman, you are of course lying through your teeth. As usual.
Fen has been calling me “establishment” (a damned lie) for days or weeks.
So, in context with his various OTHER lies about me, what he said was a direct attack on me.
Like Fen, you can’t seem to leave anything I say here without some bullshit trolling lies. It has to end somewhere.
Rags,
He called you ‘establishment’? Why, that horrible, horrible man. How dare he? Doesn’t he know that every mature adult flies into a killer rage when called ‘establishment’? I understand completely. I’m surprised you were able to act with such control.
You poor lying idiot.
People of integrity are outraged when people lie about them for petty reasons.
We are outraged when they make rhetorical likes to being “traitors”.
I know this is beyond your kin, having demonstrated repeatedly you have no integrity, and will happily lie and call people the vilest names over your cultish love of T-rump and hysteria over the slightest display of critical thinking respecting your dogma.
Rags,
It’s over. You voted your conscience, I voted my conscience, Fen voted his conscience. It’s time to put our petty differences aside and work with President Trump to make America great again. What do you say?
Yawn
DJB – the world is too big for us little pissants to leave a meaningful pile of shit in – so when did you get this grandiose idea that your vote can possibly make a difference? Warmists think that same way, for some godforsaken reason. Ego gratification, I suppose.
Narcissist Donald Trump will look after his own good or bad and you cannot help and if Hillary wins she will likely die soon. So latch back onto that moral principle and vote for an honest candidate.
Well, I’ve always found the central pillar of the NeverTrump to be about Vanity. Not you specifically, but so many Righteous Dudes on social media reminding us Every. Single. Day. on how principled they surely must be.
I also found it to be childish. My guys didn’t win (Walker, Cruz) but as an adult you have to fall back on damage control, pick up your pack and get back to fighting that slow ordered retreat we’ve been doing since Reagan.
But I believe if Hillary wins Tuesday, then this was the last battle of any significance – Serenity Valley if you will. The war may continue awhile, but it was lost here.
Of course, the GOPe will still insist they are fighting it out. “but not dying on this hill… or that one over there… or really any hill at all”. They’ll keep yanking our chain to get campaign donations and try to remain relevant so they can suck up a few more millions for lobbyists. But they will be reduced to the Euro right – arguing that we drive over the cliff in the moderate 4th gear instead of the Left’s more radical 5th.
Here we go – a life lesson for the Principled Crowd:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLw6XEBihn8
Um…Magic Thinking Boi…
it’s a TV show. And a fantasy at that…
Fen,
you should have used a Simpsons episode to make the point. That’s on rags and Fuzzy’s approved list of “TV Shows that Meet LI Standards.”
Your Vanity is going to doom us all.
And for what? So you can feel “pretty” for a few weeks, maybe a month?