Man with gun keeps Portland rioters away from his apartment bldg
Another example of “when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.”
The anti-Trump riots in Portland were vicious.
KGW8 has numerous videos of the rioting.
This poor woman, who apparently was pregnant, was attacked in her car by the mob. (Original video at KGW8)
Rioters trashed everything in sight, but backed off when a man stood in front of his apartment building holding a gun, as he shouted they were calling 911.
Video at KTLA confirms that the man was defending his apartment building.
It appears nothing happened to him or the building.
(full secondary video below, jump ahead to 3:19 for specific scene)
This is a good example of the old saying, “when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.”
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Firearms safety nit pick – finger off the trigger until you have a good sight picture and are ready to shoot. The trigger finger should have been straight, and outside of the trigger guard in the position shown in the close up picture.
Obligatory 4 rules review (with a hat tip to any other variants thereof that people remember):
1) treat every weapon as if loaded
2) never point at anything you’re not willing to destroy
3) keep your finger off the trigger until you’re ready to shoot
4) be aware of what is in front of and behind your target
Glad the man was able to defend his home, and I hope he never has reason to do so again.
The moral of the story is how the presence of a firearm deterred foolhardiness.
Another new meaning for “gun control”…
As this stuff gets real, people need to think about how to respond in these situations.
Are you really going to take a life to preserve some plywood and glass? Even a tax payer relief shot will land you in a kangaroo court for years and virtually destroy your life. Not worth it.
Time to develop skills that make it painful for these thugs to do what they do, that won’t land you in trouble.
“Are you really going to take a life to preserve some plywood and glass? ”
How do you know that he rioters are going to stop there? You have some sort of divine ability that allows you to predict how far rioters will take their violence? If so, where were you for the pregnant woman in the above story?
The reality is you can never know what a mob is going to do, and since they don’t wear signs telling you their intentions you have to assume the worst.
Your line of thinking means people must give their lives to the whim of the mob. I think that if a mob intends to do harm they should suffer the consequences of their actions and people should not “lie back and enjoy” the tender mercies of any mob.
where do you live?
I need some stuff.
you can trust me to not actually harm anyone.
heh. Good one. Right to the point.
I’ll pay you 10k if you make 5′ past my gate. 24/7. I’m dead serious.
Like I said. It’s time to develop a “different” set of skills.
PS- wear a cup, even though they’re supposed to go for a limb, they love going for your junk.
But hey, if you tough guys want to think packing heat solves this mess we are going into, give me a shout out when you’re on the news like the jabron in the picture.
Only a FOOL brings a dog(s) to a gunfight.
What were those people running behind the dogs?
If he were just protecting plywood and glass you’d be right. But that is an occupied building. He is protecting it, and its innocent occupants, from what could be arguably justified as a reasonable belief there is an imminent threat of both arson and individual assaults on third parties by a mob, which creates a disparity of force even against his firearm.
Better to use the threat of that firearm, which has a psychological effect beyond its actual capabilities, and the police (via informing the mob 911 has been called), than depending on hand-to-hand skills against multiple opponents or fallible less lethal defense weapons. Neither of which will have any real deterrent value against individuals in that mob.
Protecting yourself from a mob is similar to entering a cage full of tigers. Mobs are aggressive, violent and conscienceless. So, you should be armed, preferably heavily armed, when confronting one. And, be prepared to utilize deadly force if necessary.
As to using deadly force against a mob, in many locals the disparity of force doctrine applies. This is a simple doctrine which states that when there is a significant disparity of force, which is liable to result in death or great bodily injury, a person may use deadly force, if such can be reasonably be assumed to be necessary to prevent such death or great bodily harm. Also, in many places deadly force can be used to respond to a forceful entry into a dwelling and/or in the case violent felony. It also becomes easier to defend the use of deadly force, if it is used against a person who continues a physical attack knowing that the victim possesses a deadly weapon. This can lead to a reasonable assumption that the attacker intends to cause death or great bodily harm.
In this case, it is interesting to note that the mob chose to move on, without incident, when it was made clear that they would not be allowed to damage the property and that the resident was prepared to use force to prevent that.
I find it interesting that this thread glanced over the lawless actions of the demonstrators, either in Portland or in the other urban areas where they are occurring. Arson, trespass, vandalism, burglary and aggravated battery are NOT protected by the 1st Amendment. Perhaps we should keep our eyes on what is really important here.
With 10 minutes of forethought about what to do in these situations, you could send a mob to the ER and no one would ever be able to point the finger at you.
Personally, I’m averse to paperwork, but if you want to spend the next year being George Zimmerman, go gettem tiger!
This is coming from a guy who carries daily.
“This is coming from a guy who carries daily.”
Nah, I see what Andy is saying. Its a valid point.
I think one reason its not taking is this frustration that *we* have to always be the one to dot our i’s and cross our t’s. Because when I see I mob like this burning and looting and beating people, I wish a bunch of Korean shopowners would just open up on them.
But it’s the DaneGeld. Too many of us want to just pay them to go away. Conservatives who should already know that when you subsidize a thing, you get more of it.
Are you really going to take a life to preserve some plywood and glass?
Walk me through this.
You cap one of them.
Dead kid or ER visit…Police must follow up.
What’s going on for the next 6 months of your life?
What’s going on with your life savings?
What’s going on with the time you miss from work?
There’s a time to unholster and there’s a time to use a different set of skills. This rioting and lawlessness is real and no you shouldn’t “tolerate it.” But geezus…there’s a reason the military doesn’t solve every conflict with a nuclear war head.
Stop digging, Andy.
Everyone who’s taken down an aggressor in the past 90 days, please raise your hands.
Yeah- it will change your thinking once it become real to you.
“there’s a time to use a different set of skills.” I keep reading this statement but you never tell us what these skills may be.
As far as we can tell it’s some combination of M-80 firecrackers and meaningful dialogue. Or maybe Andy has superpowers he doesn’t feel comfortable telling us. Hard to say.
You guys all think I’m coming at this with a kumbahya – give them room to destroy mindset.
Quite the opposite.
You can always upholster if you need to, but if that’s the goto tool in your arsenal, you’re a giant idiot like the guy in the picture (or just a tough guy on the internet) and the anarchists, criminals, and liberals are going to pick you apart 100 ways to Sunday in the coming decades.
I’ve thought long and hard about this and its better to think ahead and be a hard target.
If your mode of defense is to stand in front of your residence with a pistol when it hits the fan, you’ve lost.
If someone gets into your house and you have to shoot them, you’ve lost.
If someone attacks you on the street, and you have to defend yourself, you’ve lost.
If you have to pull that gun, you’ve lost.
I’d rather not list online the million ways it would go wrong for someone or someones who messes with me or my family. It’s a different tool bag and trust me- the 2nd amendment is one of the lesser goto items. I was full on ready for “Hillary’s America” where criminal aliens and anarchists have more rights and protections than I do.
I posted this below, but tell me how rioters would behave in these guys’ neighborhoods
The cost of one of these is about the same as a good AR with optics, albeit the training requires a little more commitment. Like I said, it’s time to develop skills to deal with the era we are going into.
Be a hard target, don’t be the guy who ends up on the news or in court. Don’t be the guy whose idiot wife has ZERO situational awareness and drives into a riot. [Gee- why wouldn’t I go shopping in downtown Seattle and leave my car parked on the street on May 1?]…. but hey, if that situation is thrust on me, the M80s are in the console next to the first aid kit and pepper spray. They work for herds of elk, noisy signals in the wilderness, rioters, and general screwing around too.
One has to wonder just how much of a riot would have happened if *every* building in Portland where the action occurred had a young man (or woman) with gun in hand standing in front.
Most probably, the demonstration would have just been a demonstration.
One also has to wonder just *how* the rioters/demonstrators called 911 to report the gun.
911: 911, what is the nature of your emergency.
Caller: Yeah, dude. There’s like this dude with a gun outside a building in downtown Portland, and he won’t let any of us get near it.
911: So is he threatening anybody?
Caller: Yeah, he almost shot Leon when he lit up his bottle of gas, made him drop that shit right in the street and broke the bottle. I mean there’s a lot of prime shit in that building, and we can’t get none of it until you get a cop over here and get him out of the way.
Legal defense insurance, $130 a year for up to $250,000 of protection. Texas, only state where you can use deadly force to protect property. Would I shoot someone threatening my property? In a new york minute. Oh, and Texas law includes “theft in the nighttime” and criminal mischief,ie tagging, as justifiable reasons to use deadly force.
Rags, an old-timer from the old days who helped define gun control:
I was thinking along the lines of “One riot, one armed man standing in the breach”.
But there is also the long legacy of men and women who knew how to use firearms and had the spirit of the sheepdog.
Send this Incredibly Disturbing Video to all your Liberal friends so they can get a first hand look at the Hate they have created!
This poor child voted for Trump in a school election. And, his Mother is throwing him out in the STREET!
Make the Smug liberals eat their own SHIT!
It may be awhile before the progs eat their own shit… they’re gorging on Trump’s right now.
Disturbing is an understatement. But there’s a component involved that makes it completely unsurprising.
Send the video to liberal friends..?
They managed to completely ignore everything Hillary and Bill did for the last thirty years, they supported rioters in other cities who were egged on by Obama, and they had no problems with police being murdered.
So they will blame the pregnant woman or blame Trump for making the mob angry. But they will never condemn the mob or ever accept any blame for harm which happens to innocent people.
Why are they Rioting in PPRTLAND?!? No one there voted fro Trump. Same as the dumb*sses in Furgeson, burning their own stuff down. They wonder why no one takes them seriously.
At about the 1:52 mark I think I heard someone say, “we want war! we want war!”.
Pretty sure most of the rioting knuckleheads have voted for people who want to disarm them.
A force equalizer to repel the marauders.
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One bright spot about these riots… the next times they progs start their incessant gun grabbing with their idiotic “why would anyone ever need an assault weapon” drivel, we can simply bust out these videos.
Leftist melts down and it takes him to the truth.
If you watch anything this year, make sure it’s this:
I should’ve put a *** language warning *** on the video. But watch it … it is brilliant.
Just played it, and my 18-yr-old son overheard and said “He’s not wrong.”
Exactly right. The riots and whinging only prove his point–the modern left acts like they deserved to win the election regardless of whatever corrupt, evil, and barely ambulatory candidate they put forward. Now we are treated with a primal scream of disappointment.
I don’t think you understand what’s happening. The protesters are not necessarily Hillary people. In fact, there is absolutely no reason to vote for the granny in safe D states that are erupting with protests.
In 2000 Maximum Rock’n’Roll editorialized that there is no reason to vote for Gore, that Gore and Bush are the same, and if Bush is elected they can oppose him and have fun doing so. Eight years later they got their dream candidate. There was no reason to vote green in 2008. From their perspective, Hillary is the new Al Gore.
If you talk to hard Left organizers, they will tell you that change comes from people on the street, and that their greatest achievements were during the Nixon presidency. They view Trump as the new Nixon.
Protesters are not going to change the results of the election and whoever brought “the kids” out knows that. The idea here is to deny Trump’s legitimacy. The people on the streets and their sympathizers will never accept Trump’s legitimacy (there are good reasons for that, just not the ones that they like to talk about), not after they flexed their muscle like that.
Trump was elected without clear mandate (or clear idea what to do). Suppose he dares to appoint a conservative judge to SCOTUS. Senate D’s threat the filibuster, protests erupt “Not my president!” Trump is a lifelong D, his handlers are GOPe. Trump says “Sorry, I have to” and appoints a moderate. The moderate is confirmed. Trumpkins swallow: “smart move”.
Trump fans already swallowed Trumpulus, no Obamacare repeal and the Iran deal. “Oh, but look, he appointed someone decent to head EPA”. And by the way, why is the EPA still around? Seriously, the ink is still wet on the ballots. The chads are still hanging.
And note, Obama didn’t push Amnesty in his second term. Why? Now Trump is perfectly positioned to usher it in.
Republicans think that presidency is the end goal, but it’s not. You can push your agenda without it.
Trump was elected on Tuesday. This is Friday. So tell me again what big changes have been made in his administration, because I didn’t even know he was in office yet.
He already folded on campaign promises such as drain the swamp, repeal and replace, lock her up, Iran deal (Jerusalem Embassy is minor), Muslim immigration. Doubled his Trumpulus from 500 bill to trillion.
Trumpkins should be the ones smashing windshields right now.
“He already folded on – ”
Ah yes, more scintillating analysis from the team that got everything wrong about the last election. And still haven’t figured out why they lost.
Ya know, 3 days after the Packers skunk the Seahawks, even the most rabid Seattle fan has the sense to ditch the trashtalk.
About getting everything wrong this election:
Sorry, not wasting my time on any link you provide. Not my first rodeo. Everything I learned about trolling was taught to me over at Althouse by people just like you.
You need to restore your credibility with me before I take you seriously enough to bother checking out some link you post.
There is a consequence for being wrong. Just as there is a consequence for lying. You get that, don’t you?
“In certain older, civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords” – Firefly
You know “that guy” who continues to trash talk the day after his Bills get routed by the Cowboys in the Superbowl 52-17? That’s you.
These ‘riots’ are originating with Obama/Jarrett/Soros – they are “Plan B” in the event Hillary Clinton humiliated herself by blowing it again (which she obviously, and thankfully, did.)
The goal: martial law before Obama’s term is up – meaning, he would continue on in office.
It’s really happening. Hopefully, we can count on our military to enforce the Constitution and the transition of power in January (or before?)
It might just be Plan A.
It is not the job of the military to enforce the Constitution.
That is not completely correct. Here is the oath taken by everyone who enters the military (emphasis added):
“I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
Please note that the duty to uphold the Constitution, bearing “true faith and allegiance” to it, comes before any duty to the President or any other person in a position of command. If the worst should come, you will see the military support the Constitution rather than any person who wars against it.
Edge, do you self-identify as a liberal dem? Honest question.
Even though retired now I am still very much in contact with those still on active duty and am in a position to know that our service men and women would take action to quell civil disturbance should martial law be declared, but they would not violate the primary portion of their oath in order to nullify the results of this election. It will not happen.
Note that all the riots are in liberal urban areas that are essentially self-imposed gun-free zones. You can pull this shit in Portland, San Francisco, and Philadelphia, but I suspect they’d get a whole different response in, say, Odessa TX or Bristol TN. That shit wouldn’t last ten minutes in my town.
About ten years ago a bunch of knuckleheads tried to ‘protest’ by tearing down all the town Christmas decorations which had just gone up, the separation of church and state bullsh*t. I’m serious… citizens said oh hell no, and within a few minutes half of the protesters were proned out with nose bleeds and red ears, while the rest were running for their Volvos to skedaddle back to Raleigh or Chapel Hill or wherever they came from. He denies it, but the town police chief is reported to have watched it all from the station lobby window laughing his ass off.
There are things you tolerate, while biting your tongue if you must, such as opinions, speech, etc. – but there are other things you have to nip in the bud, as one of my TV heroes used to put it. To tolerate ‘protests’, the euphemization of simple street riots, violence, and looting, is to invite more and more of it. Eventually it’ll get so bad you can’t tolerate it anymore and you’ll be kicking butt in the street anyway, so “we gotta nip it, Andy! Nip it in the bud!”
So all of you internet tough guys have thousands of dollars in guns, but don’t have ten bucks worth of M80s?
Show me a video of a crowd that doesn’t disperse when those start getting discretely tossed at feet.
Like I said. Ten minutes of forethought.
My post was not about tolerance, it was about a different set of skills. If you’re goto defense is capping them, you’re lawyer bills are going to be higher than any damage these urchins cause.
Well, my family got evacuated from our home in Detroit in 1967 because of riots, over 50 dead in that one. My father was a Detroit police officer at the time, and was ordered to wear plain clothes, not his uniform, because snipers were shooting uniformed LEOs and firefighters. I won’t provide video of it, you can look it up on YouTube. Along with Watts, Atlanta, Chicago, etc. Or you could look up that video on a truck driver unlucky enough to get caught in an LA, pulled from his cab, and beaten senseless. Or the old man and his dog who were both badly for the crime of being assumed to be a Trump voter. That was just yesterday.
Too bad none of these victims thought to try having meaningful dialogue with their attackers. D’oh!, right!
I think it’s time you consider the possibility you’re preaching on something you know absolutely nothing about, that maybe it’s time to retreat and live to be an idiot another day.
I didn’t say retreat and I didn’t say have a meaningful dialogue.
I said think ahead. I said develop a different set of skills.
If you live in downtown Seattle or PDX and you’re standing in front of your residence with a gun during a riot, you haven’t thought ahead and you have no skills.
OK, Sparky. Now get back to digging.
So, while you are “carrying daily”, you also carry a handful of M80’s?
Please have a video made when you stand in front of that building and throw a handful of M80’s in the crowd.
Just so we can laugh at your demise.
The point is don’t be seen.
I knew it! Andy has a superpower – invisibility!
“but there are other things you have to nip in the bud”
Yup. Its the Danegeld all over again. Enable them and they will be back again with even greater demands.
Interesting to observe individuals who promised an armed insurrection a few days ago if the election doesn’t go their way rail against anarchist who set garbage cans on fire.
“Individuals who promised an armed insurrection”
Hey troll…When did you start beating your wife? Best get back to that and let the grown ups talk.
Look at the threads in the days leading up to the election.
Well… since YOU tossed out the accusation, you could probably do that if you weren’t a Soros-bot troll.
Actually, I’m on Hillary’s payroll. Ask Barry.
You flatter yourself. Your game isn’t good enough to be a paying gig.
Your efforts were worthless. Your vote was wasted. Shrillary got beat in a landslide.
I see you are now on to working for the next lefty.
But no, you’re not paid. For that there must be some actual results. You’re just a kook, and identifying more so every day.
Typical liberal play – slime people with unfounded allegations, and when challenged to provide evidence, point and say “it’s over there somewhere”.
The fact that riots are in the streets because Donald Trump was elected President is the reason why he was elected. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE HAD ENOUGHT OF THIS SHIT!
The fact that riots are in the streets because Donald Trump was elected President is the reason why he was elected. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE HAD ENOUGHT OF THIS SHIT!
The fact that riots are in the streets because Donald Trump was elected President is the reason why he was elected. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE HAD ENOUGHT OF THIS SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Walker Evans, that’s the oath of enlistment. Military officers upon commissioning take the same oath of office as members of Congress, the Cabinet, and Supreme Court Justices–to the Constition only, not the orders of the President and superior officers.
So how many people have you actually shot and/or killed in a civilian capacity? You talk a tough game, which often comes from keyboard commandos who went to Cabellas and became a bad ass.
I mean if I’m talking to Chris Kyle’s secret twin, then I’ll gladly back down.