Debate No. 2 Quick Reaction – Trump won
In control and effectively attacks.
This is my quick reaction to tonight’s debate.
I think it went as well as could have been expected by Trump. He dealt with the 2005 tape by apologizing, and it came across well.
And he didn’t immediately counterattack on Bill Clinton’s sexual abuse and harassment and Hillary’s complicity. He waited, whether deliberately or not, until Hillary repeatedly attacked him on the tape and the moderators seemed to have to pull it out of him.
But when he did attack, because he didn’t do it immediately, laid out the case against Bill and Hillary quite well.
Trump also did serious damage on the email issue, mocking Hillary very effectively. The crowd laughed.
When he said Hillary should be in jail and he would appoint a special prosecutor, the crowd cheered.
Donald Trump's highest moment when he held Hillary liable for her emails and called for a special prosecutor. #debate pic.twitter.com/V4eEIjnMlG
— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) October 10, 2016
On the issue of the transcript in which Hillary spoke of having private and public positions, Hillary incredibly blamed Abe Lincoln somehow — it was so convoluted I can’t even type it from memory. Trump pounced in a mocking manner, comparing Honest Abe to Lying Hillary.
Holy c*** Hillary tries to throw Abe Lincoln under bus on her private/public claim in secret transcript #Debates2016
— Legal Insurrection (@LegInsurrection) October 10, 2016
In the first debate, Trump lost with attacks; tonight, he's winning with humor. #Debate pic.twitter.com/QpaNQ0Iz1K
— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) October 10, 2016
Trump didn’t bring up the “open borders” statement in one of the speech transcripts. That was a lost opportunity.
Overall, Trump had command of the stage and was in control.
As I’m typing this I turned to MSNBC. They are apoplectic. ’nuff said.
The moderators were horrible, particularly Martha Raddatz. She repeatedly argued with Trump, to a point that even Republican #nevertrump-ers on Twitter were complaining.
Some concern in my #debate group that Trump isn't being treated fairly by the mods.
— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) October 10, 2016
Will this help reverse Trump’s poll slide and the damage from the tape? (I think I’ll get out of the polling prediction business, at least for tonight.)
Here are some of the tweets I sent out.
These #debate moderators are deplorable and irredeemable
— Legal Insurrection (@LegInsurrection) October 10, 2016
So now @MarthaRaddatz is answering her own questions on #Syria b/c she doesn't like Trump's answer #debate
— Legal Insurrection (@LegInsurrection) October 10, 2016
Focus Group: Who are you willing to vote for?
BEFORE #DEBATE
• Hillary: 8
• Trump: 9AFTER DEBATE
• Hillary: 4
• Trump: 18— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) October 10, 2016
Some other reactions:
https://twitter.com/TickedOffTCOT/status/785294406739910656
https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/785317118614962176
Luntz after discussing debate with his focus group: "I actually think tonight was so significant that he is back in this race."
— Brit Hume (@brithume) October 10, 2016
I may have made a mistake in writing off Trump.
After talking with voters tonight, he's back in this race. #Debate2016 pic.twitter.com/XP1fyBTNwt
— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) October 10, 2016
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Martha was completely out of control. She managed to reinforce Trump’s claims that the media is out to get him.
For a moment I thought that the debate was between her and Trump.
Trump did well. Hillary did not.
He missed a couple of opportunities though, but you can get them all.
In particular: he could have said of the Lincoln thing, Now,you blame Lincoln. You always seem to blame Republican presidents.
Also when she went “There you go again.” He should of said. I knew Reagan you’re no Ronald Reagan.
Oooh, that last one would have been brilliant!
I think stopping interruptions is OK. But she interuptted Trump when he made a quick quip. THings like “Why didn’t you?”
I remember seeing Slick Willie ( now that the gloves are off we have to start using that name again ) during the debate. Not too pleased.
Drudge has a picture in the headline.
He looked like he had batteries wired to his genitals and Chelsea was passing some current through them to keep him in line.
He looked like a felon hearing the first sirens.
I can understand why he’d look particular nervous. This election could be a matter of life or death for old Slick. If Hillary decides that his tomcatting cost her the Presidency, she’ll be throwing a lot more than lamps and crockery his way.
Nah. Bill was checking out a hottie in aisle 3.
One compelling reason to vote for Trump is because all the right people (especially in the media) hate him so very much.
For me, the most outrageous things came from Hillary:
“I respect the Second Amendment, but . . . ”
She wants Supremes who “understand what people are up against.” How does this even begin to meet the purpose of the Supreme Court, which–last time I checked–was intended to interpret law?
I also disliked the way she smarmed around the stage trying to mimic a human being with a soul. Hint to Hillary: people with souls don’t have to fake it with glazed eyes, phony smiles, and weird “leaning in” postures.
Absolutely perfect analysis here.
The more comments of yours I read, the better I like your style!
Well, that’s why we need Republican legislators.
“On the issue of the transcript in which Hillary spoke of having private and public positions, Hillary incredibly blamed Abe Lincoln somehow — it was so convoluted I can’t even type it from memory.”
That was stupid. I was under the impression that it was the HRC campaign’s strategy, and the DNC’s, to maintain this is a Russian government hack. And not to verify the contents of the emails. Russian intelligence services WILL fabricate all or part of such documents.
She could have given an answer to that effect, cautioning people not to believe what they read in those emails as they could be entirely made up (especially the most damaging parts).
But by giving that answer HRC just validated the contents of the emails.
Trump may have given Bonnie and Clyde their first genuine and public accounting in 35 years.
Jeffrey Goldberg retweeted something. A woman is alleging that tonight Melania Trump wore an $1100 Cardin (I think) “p***y bow” shirt. Is that true?
“Melania Trump wore a “p***y-bow silk crepe de chine shirt” by the Gucci status brand”
LOL, I wonder if they did that on purpose.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_bow
Of course.
The great thing is that Trump brought the fight without being slimy about it, he did it the way Kaine wanted to do. Not brilliant, but smart and Presidential. He got the Lincoln quote and the quote where Illary says she thinks Trump is not fit and he quips big surprise.
He also got the best point about her being asleep at 3am when Benghazi happened.
Overall I think it was brilliant to bring the women, and unnerved Hillary. I think she and Bill are good at destroying people, but wilt when facing their victims.
The mark of all modern politicians is that they never admit they ever did anything wrong. It was always some “low level staffer” who was mistaken.
The “buck” always “stops” somewhere else.
It was “Colin Powell”. It was Abe Lincoln. Notice that they are both Republicans.
As I said in the other thread, this was easily Trump’s best debate. Ever. In either the primaries or now the general election. If he was under pressure, he didn’t show it.
I don’t look at Twitter during the debates and I turn off the TV as soon as the pundits start jabbering. I don’t need them and their “panels” to try to influence my perceptions about what I just watched.
What does that mean?
I know some Clinton staffer tweated at Trump “Go F*** Yourself” during the debate.
Sorry I meant to respond to Sm’s in Texas about the tweet
Melania Trump wore an $1100 Cardin (I think) “p***y bow” shirt.
2 things I liked about Trump’s performance:
1- He suggested he might prosecute her if elected. Gee! How I wish he makes good on that one.
2- His answer to the last question, after she proved to be a vindictive biatch. That was a good one.
When he said that I wanted the Trump part of the crowd to start chanting “lock her up.” just to see her reaction.
I think Trump won and the reason is that he went after her personally on her lies and exaggerations. She did n’t have any comeback on many of his attacks and went to the standard “I want to answer the question”. We all saw her weakness when she shows that ridiculous smile which is a tale of her lying. He finally seems to understand that the way to defeat hillary is to go head to head with her and all of her lies. He still didn’t have any specific plans like obamacare when he could have said that allowing the market forces to work in all states like the automobile market. He is weak on specifics but strong on attacks. It wasn’t my definition of a presidential debate but he kicked her ass!
The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.
I wonder if any the politicians who unendorsed him are now going to reendorse him. I know we want the House and the Senate but somehow we have to clean house.
They can’t. Too many bridges burned. Including here in Colorado. Darryl Glenn, who had a good chance to beat incumbent Democrat Michael Bennet for the US Senate seat [polling within the margin of error, and the incumbent below 50%] stepped on his own private parts by calling for Trump to step down over the 11 year old audio. He’s dead meat politically now here.
Good. He would have caved the first time Chris Mathews called him mean names. Can’t even count on him to confirm SCOTUS noms.
Trump did something significant: he showed that he can get good advice, and follow it. This is something that fence-sitters and nervous Repubs would be looking for.
Hillary quite successfully gave her canned answers and did not have a seizure on stage. But Bill was sitting in the audience, thinking that he could have done better, and he was right.
Hillary cannot think on her feet, and she is far too comfortable lying. She could have pulled it off, but for the fact that half of the country came to the debate prepared, and knew many of the times she lied.
It looks like the Brave New World did not go quite according to Alinsky’s plan.
She was seething with anger the entire evening. Methinks because Bill’s victims- Juanita; Kathleen and Paula as well as Kathy Shelton, 12 year old rape victim whose rapist Hillary defended, were in audience
Trump killed it. Simple as that.
The Clinton crime syndicate lost. The feckless boobs of the GOPe lost.
The American people won.
Well, I had a big dinner followed by one of those, “I’ll close my eyes for just a minute ore two,” and two hours later woke up just to catch the close.
So…. Out of all the quick assessment/reviews, the Prof’s outline above is the best of the lot PERIOD!
Thank you for a well rounded capsule…
The ‘Republican’ leaders abandoning Trump have just been handed their cheeks on a plate. Their position lends support to:
* A candidate that made $200 million dollars while serving in an office of public trust
* A Secretary of State whose Ambassador died under her watch because she ignored over 600 of his requests for increased security
* A Secretary of State who ordered the deletion of 35,000 emails she claims, but can no longer prove, were personal emails
* A Secretary of State whose famous ‘reset’ with Russia has gone completely off the rails, including Russia’s withdrawal from a nuclear treaty
* A Secretary of State whose actions in Libya were a complete and utter failure leaving Libya in turmoil
* A First Lady who managed her husbands ‘bimbo’ eruptions
* A candidate who thinks that Obamacare is a net positive for America
* A candidate who promises to require a background check before you can give your rifle to your wife, son or daughter(she calls it the ‘gun show loop hole’)
* A candidate who promises to appoint Supreme Court Justices who will enforce Social Justice instead of the constitution
* A candidate who somehow managed to coerce the FBI into destroying evidence of possible crimes involving national security
* A candidate who blamed her lies on Abraham Lincoln
And on and on and on. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Trump supporters, including all those irredeemable and deplorable clingers, showed their displeasure by voting against down-ticket candidates supported by those supposed ‘Republican’ leaders.
THat would be a big win for Hillary and the Democratic Party, no? You are suggesting that Trump should stay in the race and that we should dump the Republican office holders.
Edge,
I question who those down-ticket candidates would support should Trump win the Presidency. I fear many of them would ‘cross the aisle’ to do the work of the American people.
Frankly, history tells us that with Republican majorities in both the house and the senate, the Democrats get most of what they want and the conservatives get lip service.
At some point, we need to force many of these RINOS to compete within the Democrat primaries as the progressives they actually are.
Accidental down click.
Those legislators have a history, and most of them successfully opposed the Obama agenda – granted they did what was politically expedient. They didn’t pass the budget Obama would veto, for instance. But see here:
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/435078/republicans-didnt-cave-obama
I expect them to oppose Hillary with the same vigor. And if Trump is elected, yes, I want them to oppose Trump.
Between Bill Clinton and Bill Cosby, from afar, I can’t tell who has raped more women.
Why does the black man not get away with it and the white man gets away with it? Is it because of Hillary?
That would be a great question for Trump to ask at a rally (or even next debate if it was phrased correctly).
Hillary: Black lives blah blah I care blah stop systemic racism in our justice ssystem
Trump: Can we start by asking why Bill Cosby and your white husband are treated so differently as regards rape?
[or something like that]
Would peel more black voters who are skeptical of Hillary
At least she’ll be breaking rocks with a sledgehammer, and not Blackberries.
Oh my. That was fast.
https://www.amazon.com/Womens-Cause-Trump-Shirt-Slate/dp/B01MF4UIAI/ref=sr_1_3?s=fiona-hardware&ie=UTF8&qid=1476069598&sr=8-3&keywords=you%27d+be+in+jail+t+shirt
Ooh. Excellent. With a shout out to Freddy Mercury.
https://i.imgflip.com/1c2ihx.jpg
This was the red meat that we’ve all wanted too see thrown at Clinton for decades? But will the combative tone win over suburban single white women?
Even if Trump didn’t win swing voters, he sure pumped up his base tonight.
Suburban single white women?
Trump did well enough to justify his staying in the race, not well enough to close the 6 point gap. He was decent (did better than expected) Hillary was meh (what she is anyway). Anyone else would wipe the floor with her.
Big winner: Hillary. And by the way, there is more October surprises coming in.
And what is that Fox News focus group where everyone want Hillary in jail? Am I supposed to believe they are all undecideds?
“Big winner: Hillary”
No Kooky, your candidate, the leader of the Clinton crime and rape syndicate, got her ass handed to her.
Are you trying to make some sort of argument? It sounds very personal.
“It sounds very personal.”
Precisely. I take what is going on in my country very personally.
You support the head of a crime syndicate, a person that has sold this country out, the supporter and enabler of a rapist.
And then try to pretend to be a conservative.
I’m not a conservative. I’m a paid Hillary shill.
“I’m a paid Hillary shill.”
You certainly act the part.
“And by the way, there is more October surprises coming in.”
You have NO idea what’s coming in October. You are just being a sore loser, trying to throw smoke out to chill the victory dance.
The Apprentice people said that there is much worse.
Actually, the biggest October surprise might be from Putin.
How is Rags?
I have no sympathy for Hillary, but it must have been pretty annoying to have a group of women sitting in the room who your husband would rather have sex with than you, even if it means he had to force them.
Something I really hadn’t considered is that she has to win or she’s going to jail. Giuliani was being interviewed afterward and mentioned how he could prosecute her on a number of charges.
If Giuliani thinks he has real evidence, why doesn’t he?
You must not know that Juliani isn’t a federal prosecutor now.
“it must have been pretty annoying to have a group of women sitting in the room who your husband would rather have sex with than you”
Good psyops. I hope the keep doing it. I think it threw her off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJGSYrxznZI&feature=youtu.be
Apparently Hillary begged the debate commission not to seat the “Clinton Four” in the front row.
See? Not so hard.
Prevent an American Hillocaust: Let Trump be Trump.
MSM Headline: Rich White Republican Man Viciously Beats Elderly Woman For Over An Hour On National TV
(Yeah, I say that in jest. How much do you want to bet something *worse* will actually get published?)
Just an observation:
Trump seems to start out nice with everyone.
He never throws the first punch.
And in this particular instance, with the recent Bush Tape debacle…
It was like Trump said:
Ok, you wanna play hard-ball? We can do that.
Hillary was.. gutted.
Well, IMHO
And I wasn’t pleased to hear his trash talk, even though I realize the girl was playing him for furnature and she probably does not qualify to be a Saint …
That does not compare to Rape.
And, I believe, everyone understands that.
There was something I hinted at but did not want to go into because I thought Trump might bring it up as a surprise in the debate. The “girl” has been identified as Nancy O’Dell. She was coanchor with Billy Bush. So now you know why they were talking about her.
Billy Bush knows she was married. So why is Trump telling him.
Also why did they go furniture shopping? Why not with her husband?
I’ll skip the exact words since I don’t remember them now. In Nov. 2004 O’Dell got divorced. She remarried in July 2005. It’s my belief that Trump made a play for her after she got divorced. After a divorce she need new furniture so he took her shopping. But she turned him down and got married. Which is basically what Trump does say. he made a play, she turned him down , she got married pfft oportunity over.
But he probably doesn’t remember it. It being 11 years ago.
Once Hillary threw the first below the belt punch with “he is not qualified…” It was all over.
Hillary wasn’t wearing her glasses.
Does that mean she was getting all her answers through the ear-piece?
The first thing I looked at.
Her hair wasn’t obscuring her ears tonight. If they’re coaching her, they’ve found another way to do it.
She probably thought she had already won the election because of the tape, so they didn’t bother trying to cheat tonight.
Oh she’ll cheat alright, even after she wins. That is “if” she wins.
When Trump was repeatably crossed by the ” Moderator ” he should have inquired if she was running for President, rather than responding to her.
Because you’d be in jail….hahahahahahhahaaa 🙂
Hey, where is Rags this morning? Feeling butt hurt somewhere???
Mailman
mailman you made my morning!! 🙂
I don’t get the attack on a fellow site member. The reason we come here is to express our views and not be personally attacked for them. knock it off!
I don’t disagree with your dislike of personal attacks, but this is foreseeable payback to the person who started with the name-calling and childish behavior.
If the purported civility standards were enforced equally this would have been nipped in the bud long ago, in my opinion.
Whatever Hillary is taking to temporarily stop the tremors is working pretty good, though I notice she’s constantly either folding her hands together or keeping them flat on her body, and she walks in an unnatural way.
Both hand gestures are things people with a disease are told to do to interrupt or minimize the tremors.
Also, she does walk very awkwardly. Does she has something she takes for equilibrium/balance issues? She seems to be ready to collapse at any moment…….
The dead tend to do that randian.
This was more of a typical debate where both candidates were able to make points but there wasn’t any clear cut winner, at least in my view. Trump certainly beat expectations, but those were really low obviously. Trump did well on his “chicken in every pot” economic positions but was weak as usual on foreign policy.
Hillary is doing an extremely good job playing a moderate, although I think in general she is more moderate than Obama. Her speech about not alienating muslims because we need them to help win the war on terror is pretty much what Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, etc said when people tried to claim that they had declared war on Islam.
One thing I also appreciated is that Trump did not spend the entire debate making up policy on the fly like last time. Unfortunately he still has his “secret” policies, for example his replacement for Obamacare and whether there’s a mandate or not, and ISIS obviously. And maybe Trump and Pence could have a debate on what to do about Syria since there seems to be some disagreement there.
If I was an American I far prefer his “secret” policies (which you just made up) as opposed to hiLIARys secret policies which you know about (abolition of the second amendment, appointment of disastrous liberal Justice on to the supreme court, open borders, continued undermining of Law Enforcement Agencies and so on and so on and so on).
Why would you prefer a secret solution to obamacare? That makes no sense. The first thing I thought about his response was that he should have said here a few things we can do AFTER we get rid of obamacare. He did mention allowing all insurance carriers to cross state lines and to be allowed to compete like auto dealers and grocery stores. There are many ideas that the R’s have come up with and he could have mentioned a few of them. The number one is to stop corporate issuing of healthcare policies. If we all bought our insurance for health like we do for our cars there would be no issues with unfairness or access for the little guy. There would also not be the trend to go to the doctor’s office every time we got a cold or a sprained ankle. Making ALL healthcare related expenses tax deductible is another. Keeping the 26 years and under group on parents insurance is an easy one. The pre-existing condition is also easily fixed with an insurance pool where all companies pay their proportional share into it.
“Her speech about not alienating muslims because we need them to help win the war on terror is pretty much what Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, etc said when people tried to claim that they had declared war on Islam”
That’s what they said, and it’s a fool’s game of letting the fox guarding the henhouse. We shouldn’t care if attacking Muslim armies and preventing Muslim immigration alienates Muslims any more than we should care if throwing blacks in jail for committing crimes alienates blacks (which, if you believe self-professed black spokesmen, it does). Our security is more important than their feelings. We are at war with Islam whether we admit it or not. Islam has been at war with everybody for 1400 years.
You really don’t know what you are talking about. Of course Islam advocates violence, we all know that, and any criticism of the religion you care to make I would probably agree with. But Bush/Cheney’s strategy was to ignore the religious aspect and focus on the terrorist groups. His “with us or against us” speech came on 9/20 ,barely a week after the attacks and was basically a declaration to other countries – including muslim countries – that if you’re not actively helping us capture terrorists then you are now our enemy.
This has allowed the governments of some Islamic countries to become our allies, and at the same time, terrorist targets. Saudia Arabia in particular is being constantly hit by terrorist attacks, including assassination attempts on a royal and suicide bombings at Islamic holy sites. Indonesia was on the fence for a bit, but after being hit in Bali in 2003 made the right decisions and helped us wipe out JI in SE Asia, and the splinter group that did the Mariott attacks in 2009. And this cooperation is continuing – both Malaysia and Saudia Arabia have broken up and captured entire cells of ISIL terrorists in the last couple of years. In some ways their cooperation is better than Europe’s.
There are still plenty of muslim countries that chose not to ally with us – Pakistan was likely hiding bin Laden for a while and Iran’s ambitions are obvious, and I think Trump’s ban on immigrants from specific countries makes sense, although exceptions really should be made for people who have helped the US in its overseas missions, which many have.
But Trump’s “why doesn’t Obama / Hillary / Kerry call out Islam” only makes sense if you’re an American who knows next to nothing about foreign policy and the war on terror. Of course he fits the description, as do many of his supporters.
What has always amazed me and continues to amaze me is how HIllary can make these statements that are bald faced lies and act as though they are the truth beyond any doubt. Claiming that the Iran deal stopped Iran dead in its nuclear weapons research tracks???? Claiming that she apologized for the deplorables statement when she only apologized for the number of people she included in the statement??? Claiming she spearheaded so many initiatives when she was in Congress when her time there was largely uneventful????
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Do people really believe her crap?
She can because there are people like Tyates and Rags who live in laalaa land and believe everything she says as being gospel.
Of course, that’s a lie, and you’re a liar.
But here I’ll show you how people of integrity act.
By all accounts from people I respect, including our host, T=rump pulled off a win.
I don’t watch these “debates” because I have no dog in this hunt. I find both these people loathsome, and will never vote for either. I have MUCH better things to do than watch these two liars lie.
So, going by accounts, Da Pig managed to do what I considered him incapable of doing…at least in the eyes of observers I respect…and that involved at least SOME show of contrition.
I was wrong/mistaken/errant. I have the same capacity for error as anyone here. I just don’t use it much.
Two observations from accounts, and things that I think will actually hurt T-rump with voters…
1. he gaffed a YUUUUGE gaff in ejaculating that Pence is wrong on Syria, while admitting he and Pence have not discussed Syria. That will tell people a LOT.
2. while his quip about Hellary going to jail thrilled his followers (who eat his bullshit like it’s pudding), and she should NOW be in jail, it was a stupid thing to say, and for the following reasons; it may not sit well with women, and it is Constitutionally a REALLY bad idea to criminalize political opponents at a change of administrations (this is ONE of the prime reasons for the Presidential pardon). It’s also an empty promise, for two reasons; he’s going to lose, and if he wins, he’s assured Barracula will issue a blanket pardon.
I’ll also note Da Pig’s “campaign conversion” from being a Bill Clinton defender and enabler to now being a “devout” Clinton critic and defender of his victims, who he used to attack in public.
It lives! Hahahahahaha…hows your butt after last nights bending over an apple cart? 🙂
Good recap, Professor. Thank you.
William A. Jacobson: When he said Hillary should be in jail and he would appoint a special prosecutor, the crowd cheered.
Neither the crowd nor the president determine who gets prosecuted and jailed. A presidential candidate promising to jail his opponent is authoritarian. Perhaps you know an attorney who could explain the rule of law.
Get over yourself. hiLIARy SHOULD be in prison. Every one capable of rubbing two brain or more cells together knows that. Question is…why don’t you know that?
mailman: hiLIARy SHOULD be in prison.
Whether she should or shouldn’t is irrelevant. It’s not a presidential prerogative to decide who to jail. That is determined by the rule of law. The nominee of the Republican Party saying so, even to the approval of the crowd, undermines American democracy.
Whats irrelevant is your blathering. As I said, and thanks for confirming, anyone capable or rubbing two or more brain cells together gets it…which probably explains why your little insignificant liberal mind doesn’t get it 🙂
mailman: Whats irrelevant is your blathering.
We take it you have nothing substantive to say.
More egregious is pretending Trump meant to personally prosecute her. I despise Trump, but it is certain he meant to install new leadership at the FBI and DOJ who would reopen the FBI’s whitewash ‘investigation’.
Henry Hawkins: More egregious is pretending Trump meant to personally prosecute her.
He said he would instruct the attorney general to get a special prosecutor. He then said “you would be in jail,” meaning he has already decided the outcome. That is the statement of a despot, not a president working within the rule of law.
“In 2015, three years later, Woods shared with Fox News diary notes he took after meeting Clinton, Obama and other officials. “I gave Hillary a hug and shook her hand. And she said we are going to have the filmmaker arrested who was responsible for the death of my son,” the entry said in full.”
Arguably, the FBI/DOJ investigation was a whitewash, and Trump wouldn’t be in the position of re-opening the issue if they had just let it go to trial and adjudicated it.
That being said, Rags is right, Obama will pardon Hillary for her violations of national security, and Bill for his rapes.
jhkrischel (quoting Tyrone Woods): I gave Hillary a hug and shook her hand. And she said we are going to have the filmmaker arrested who was responsible for the death of my son
Others who were there dispute that anything about the video was said, including Woods’ mother. In any case, that doesn’t justify Trump’s call to have his political opponent jailed.
It is a presidential duty to ensure the DOJ and the FBI is not infested with corruption and maintains it integrity.
Joe-dallas: It is a presidential duty to ensure the DOJ and the FBI is not infested with corruption and maintains it integrity.
That’s right! And part of that duty is not to “instruct” the Attorney General to prosecute and jail political opponents. The duty of the Attorney General is to apply justice according to law and evidence without political interference.
“The duty of the Attorney General is to apply justice according to law and evidence without political interference.”
A duty that was failed in the case of Hillary. At the very least, the matter should have gone to trial, or even a grand jury.
Of particular concern are the generous immunity deals handed out, and the side-agreements to destroy evidence.
jhkrischel: A duty that was failed in the case of Hillary.
Don’t know how you expect the system to work. A team of career FBI investigators unanimously decided against recommending for an indictment. It’s irrelevant, in any case, to Trump’s call to abuse his authority as president to have his political opponent thrown in jail.
“Neither the crowd nor the president determine who gets prosecuted and jailed. A presidential candidate promising to jail his opponent is authoritarian.’
But he does play a role in getting it investigated. You can spin it anyway you want, but the real focus is just that. Like the IRS and the previous Virginia governors and our Texas folks, the democrats have been doing this for years. So of course you are right. He can’t do it.
It political rhetoric, get a clue. Drama is one of Trumps best assets. I doubt he lost any voters over that one.
Autistic cuck doesn’t get rhetoric. Typical.
the best line of the night:
But Trump did have some striking moments. Prime among them was an exchange over Trump’s promise to seek a special prosecutor, if he were elected, to probe Clinton’s use of a private email server while secretary of State. Clinton said such a proposal proved it was a good thing he would never have such authority.
“Because you’d be in jail,” Trump shot back.
The crowd went crazy! Clinton justice and normal people justice.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/300171-trump-stops-the-bleeding
You left out this part of the story…
“But, for all that, Clinton leaves St. Louis as she arrived — the clear favorite to win the White House a month from now.”
I wouldn’t place too much importance on Trump winning a debate against the likes of Clinton, who presents mountains of negatives and poor performance records. Given it’s college football season, I’d analogize it as #1 Alabama beating Slippery Rock 10-9 and feeling darn proud of it.
Why is the press disregarding this Wickileaks?
The main reason behind successful immigration should be painfully obvious to even the most dimwitted of observers: Some groups of people are almost always highly successful given only half a chance (Jews*, Hindus/Sikhs and Chinese people, for example), while others (Muslims, blacks** and Roma***, for instance) fare badly almost irrespective of circumstances,” Hillary is quoted as saying in one of her speeches.
i know the answer is self apparent for MSM , why have few blogs picked it up
Most likely because…like a lot of the crap coming from WikiLeaks…it’s obviously bogus as hell.
Unless, of course, you believe…
http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/10/08/leaked-emails-show-trump-tool-used-hillary-campaign-day-one/
“Most likely because…like a lot of the crap coming from WikiLeaks…it’s obviously bogus as hell.”
Really. You think the leaks are bogus?
I think you’re daft.
As I read it cruz is on the “pied piper” list as well.
Ouch, there are a couple of Democrats on here who are still smarting from the hiding they took last night. Next time they’ll be a trigger warning.
Jack;
what get’s me is all the GOPERS that jumped ship…
Where did they go?
Well, there ain’t no other place than Hillary.
I guess this was the excuse they were looking for.
Was that really Hillary?
Yeah, well, there is the saggy neck.
I’d need a very good photo to inspect her teeth.
But, she isn’t cross eyed. So, I am wondering because she has been cross eyed ever since she got too much vodka and fell down the last time.
Aw heck, who cares. Her body double couldn’t possibly be worse than her.
Hey, ya know, I heard she already died, and about a month after the Election, it will be announced, and Kaine will step in.
Now, that is s about the most artful conspiracy theory I have ever heard, but it is a lot of fun.
Too bad I cannot edit my prose after the fact here.
All thumbs… comma’s missing, capitalization messy…
I guess you get the real deal rather than my much better edited self…
That’s OK. Enough warts and blemishes get shown here that no one will notice.