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Report: Republican ‘Fantasy’—Pence/Nikki Haley Replacement Ticket

Report: Republican ‘Fantasy’—Pence/Nikki Haley Replacement Ticket

Matthews Says There’d Never Be a Week When Pence Could Beat Hillary

On Hardball, Chuck Todd called it a “fantasy,” but . . . he reported that some Republicans think that maybe they can talk Donald Trump into quitting, and that an ideal replacement ticket would be Mike Pence and Nikki Haley.

Chris Matthews was very skeptical, saying that there’d never be a week when Pence could beat Hillary, because he lacks the “pizazz.” Todd replied that some Republicans believe that a generic Republicans could beat Clinton. Todd quoted one Republican as saying “take any two people in the White Pages. Make them the ticket. Put R’s next to their name, and put them on a desert island and not say anything, and they think that candidate gets 47%.” Then again, how tuned in can someone be who still thinks in terms of the “White Pages?”

So what do Legal Insurrection readers think? Could they ever imagine Trump stepping down? And if he did, could Pence-Haley beat Hillary-Kaine?

CHUCK TODD: Here’s what I think this is really about. This attempt. I think somehow, and I think it’s fantasy, but somehow I think there are Republicans that have in it their head that maybe they can talk him into quitting. And I don’t believe that that’s true.

CHRIS MATTHEWS: But there is no alternative except Paul Ryan. Who could step in now? It’s the same old, you can’t stop somebody with nobody.

TODD: Well that’s the — look, that’s the problem, right? You alienated supporters and what do you do? Look, I’ve heard a scenario, you basically, Pence becomes the top of the ticket, they somehow convince Nikki Haley and all is right in the world again.

MATTHEWS: What?? Pence is going to beat Hillary Clinton?

TODD: Is Donald Trump?

MATTHEWS: Well, it’s not likely this week but at least there have been better weeks. There will never be a better week for Pence. What week would that look like?

TODD: How do you know that?

MATTHEWS: Because he doesn’t have the pizazz to be a presidential candidate.

TODD: He doesn’t have the pizazz?


TODD: There are many people in the Republican party who think a generic ‘R” — there’s one person who thinks take any two people in the White Pages. Make them the ticket. Put R’s next to their name, and put them on a desert island and not say anything, and they think that candidate gets 47%.


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These people are utterly delusional. They HAVE to talk like this, lest they are forced to talk about $400M ransom, raising taxes on the middle class, DNC leadership exodus, Khan story unraveling at breakneck speed, etc.

I think Hillary is an awful candidate, and Donald Trump is philosophically a pragmatist, right in the sweet spot where Democratic voters like a President to be. Chris is hoping the Stupid Party will buy into this nonsense.

If the Repubs do this, their party is done. They will be exposed as the same type of cheaters as the Democrats, who denied their winning candidate the nomination.

    Ragspierre in reply to Valerie. | August 4, 2016 at 10:16 am

    You do realize that your first paragraph (Der Donald is a “philosophical pragmatist” [YIKES…!!!]) who Deemocrat votes find in their “sweet spot” cannot be reconciled logically with your second paragraph (Bernie was chosen by Deemocrat voters).

    You’ve slipped your moorings, Val.

      Valerie in reply to Ragspierre. | August 4, 2016 at 10:50 am

      Rags, the worst of the Trumpeters have rightly been removed from this site, and you are still completely off the rails. You are over-reacting to something that is no longer here.

        JYLD in reply to Valerie. | August 4, 2016 at 12:47 pm

        I’ve been agreeing with many of your posts lately, but have to voice disagreement about the Erdogan style purges that took place here. Most were wrongly eliminated solely because someone was a sore loser and poor sport who threw what were in effect temper tantrums caused by Cruz circling the toilet bowl until his final flushing on the night of the Indiana primary.

        Since the purges traffic here and commenting has been significantly reduced in both volume and quality. And the single most vulgar and offensive commenter was always protected because of whom he supported.

          mzk in reply to JYLD. | August 4, 2016 at 2:46 pm

          You have a funny way of making your point. Your post is a good argument for your own unfitness for this site.

          I was around during that unpleasantness, JYLD, and your moniker isn’t familiar to me. Were you using a different name back then, or did I just manage to scroll past you?

      Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | August 4, 2016 at 11:01 am

      Val, that’s just a rather stupid attack on me.

      Try defending your bullshit. (I know…you can’t)

      I’ve never seen Valerie be anything other than thoughtful and polite here, Rags. And even if you disagree with her on this particular point, she’s a good ally to have on-side when it comes to many other points where we’re all basically on the same side.

      There are people who probably deserve your venom. I don’t think Val is one of them

        Ragspierre in reply to Amy in FL. | August 4, 2016 at 11:36 am

        It isn’t “venomous” to point out rationally irreconcilable statements.

        If you want to defend them, knock yourself out.

    mzk in reply to Valerie. | August 4, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    If Trump wins, the party is done.

I doubt Trump will quit. At any stage of the game before or after he loses the election he can always say it is/was everyone else’s fault for not supporting him. Trump doesn’t care about the damage he will do if he is elected or the damage that will result when he loses.

MSNBC? Desperate measures. The media doth protest too much, to garble Shakespeare. Donald Trump will not step down. The second question is pointless.

One MSNBC(D)talking bobble head, giving another MSNBC(D)talking bobble head advice for the GOP! And all those who flocked to the very non “…generic ‘R”…” Donald Trump will just vote for their “…generic ‘R”…” candidate. Yeah, that’ll work!

buckeyeminuteman | August 4, 2016 at 9:34 am

Republicans put all their eggs in one basket who is unstable and probably doesn’t care whether he wins or loses. There is no way they could run someone who didn’t win states in the primaries and actually beat Clinton. Out of 319 million Americans, these are the two we came up with…the fate of our country rests on Donald Trump, which is very unfortunate.

This is how to handle the press, when they are strying to spin up a kerflffel.
Notice how the guy from CNN never once says what Trump said that was so awful. Why? Because he does not want the viewers to know that they agree with Trump.

Some quotes:

Trump: American Muslim Soldier Who Died In Iraq Is A ‘Hero’

“Captain Humayun Khan was a hero to our country and we should honor all who have made the ultimate sacrifice to keep our country safe. The real problem here are the radical Islamic terrorists who killed him, and the efforts of these radicals to enter our country to do us further harm. Given the state of the world today, we have to know everything about those looking to enter our country, and given the state of chaos in some of these countries, that is impossible.”

Responding to Khizr Khan, who spoke at the Democratic National Convention where he criticized Trump, the Republican nominee said, “While I feel deeply for the loss of his son, Mr. Khan who has never met me, has no right to stand in front of millions of people and claim I have never read the Constitution, (which is false) and say many other inaccurate things. If I become President, I will make America safe again.”

“Further, Hillary Clinton should be held accountable for her central role in destabilizing the Middle East. She voted to send the United States to war against Iraq, helped lead the disastrous withdrawal of American troops years later that created the vacuum allowing the rise of ISIS, and has never met a regime change she didn’t like (which have all been disasters) – not to mention her invasion of Libya and her abandonment of American personnel in Benghazi. The loss of these lives in Libya is directly traceable to Clinton, but their families’ testimonials were rejected by the media,” Trump said.

    Ragspierre in reply to Valerie. | August 4, 2016 at 11:16 am

    “While I feel deeply for the loss of his son, Mr. Khan who has never met me, has no right to stand in front of millions of people and claim I have never read the Constitution, (which is false) and say many other inaccurate things.”

    Well, sure he does have a right to say any damned thing he wants.

    This is why a lot of us deplore this First Amendment hating sack of shit.

    And why he’s a positive danger to our republic.

      Trump is sayingvKahn has notvthe moral right to attack him when Trump was justva private citizen when his son died. And Hillary voted to send his son to war.

      It has nothing to do with 1st amendment. Trump isn’t speaking about legal rights.

      Liberals and Hillary supporters are so easily confused. Plus they have become too used slime politicians who are lawyers always talking in legalese.

      Trump is outsider non lawyer who doesn’t speak in legalese.

        Ragspierre in reply to JYLD. | August 4, 2016 at 1:39 pm


        he’s a lying Collectivist thug who doesn’t know one end of the Constution from another.

        You’re trumpapolgia is just ridiculous.

          Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | August 4, 2016 at 11:11 pm

          Mr Kahn, the father, is an anti American ass that wishes to subvert the constitution in favor of sharia.

          The son died in service to the constitution and this country.

          The father trampled on his own sons grave. If you didn’t suffer from a severe case of TDS, you might see the truth.

      Milhouse in reply to Ragspierre. | August 4, 2016 at 6:20 pm

      Now hang on a moment. Nobody has the legal or moral right to defame anyone, and losing a son doesn’t give one that right. It’s well established that the first amendment does not protect falsehoods. If it were clearly false — rather than clearly true — that Trump has never read the constitution, then Khan would have had no right to say so. His right to say it stems not from his son’s death but from the fact that it’s obviously true.

1) Chris Mathews is neither honest or thoughtful. Ignore him.

2) Pence/Haley? I could hold my nose and vote for that ticket. But could they legally be put on the ballot at this late date? I don’t see it.

3) But it’s not going to come to that. Trump shows no signs of wanting out or of respecting the opinions of the people who think they can talk him into quitting.

    brightlights in reply to irv. | August 4, 2016 at 11:48 am

    A ticket switch like that *might* work if The Donald did a good speech why he was stepping back and asked his followers to support the ticket.

    That said, I can’t see how it would work in real like.

MaggotAtBroadAndWall | August 4, 2016 at 9:55 am

Trump thinks he can and will win. There is no way he quits early if he continues to believe that. But if he decides he is unlikely to win, especially if it looks like he will lose big, then I absolutely can see him concocting some grand excuse to justify withdrawing before November.

Does a man with one of the biggest egos in the universe want to FOREVER be known in history as the guy who ran the hyper-masculine alpha male campaign yet got his balls chopped off by the first woman president in one of the biggest landslides in history?

Better to invent an excuse to drop out than be humiliated. If he drops out, then he can always pretend he would have won if only he’d stayed in. With Roger Ailes out at Fox News, Rupert’s liberal sons will probably move Fox leftward over time. If Trump drops out and starts Trump Media, then the conservative sell outs: Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Eric Bolling and the Trumpbart crew can keep cashing in.

Chris Matthews & Chuck Todd – that’s quite the brain trust!

Has Hilliary given Matthews a thrill up his leg, yet?

You mean Mitt Romney and Bill Krystol still haven’t changed their affiliations like George Will?

Since the Russians support Trump thing fell apart, they have to come up with something. Even the Bernie supporters aren’t trying to get rid of Hillary. Instead they are running to Jill Stein.

Nikki Haley is not an Art. II §I Cl. 4 natural born citizen natural born, as she was not born exclusively under U.S. sovereignty.

    brightlights in reply to davidfarrar. | August 4, 2016 at 11:50 am

    That line of thinking is why I hope they do it, win, and she’s sworn in. Just to drive a nail in the coffin all the ‘natural born’ stuff.

    Milhouse in reply to davidfarrar. | August 4, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    There is not a word in the constitution about such a requirement. In fact there is no constitutional bar to a dual citizen becoming president. Trump could claim German citizenship if he liked, on the strength of his German grandfather, and still be eligible for president.

    Oh not this BULLSHIT again….

    If you REALLY want to go there and be logically consistent, then Donald Trump isn’t a Art. II §I Cl. 4 natural born citizen natural born EITHER, as HIS mother was not born exclusively under U.S. sovereignty, and was an naturalized immigrant, as were ALL FOUR of Donald Trump’s grandparents.


Howie Kurtz, pointing out just how many of the recent headlines have been pulled out of thin air.

You T-rump suckers who were all about slimming Ryan over the last two or three days now know you’ve been punked by Der Donald.


MSNBC is reporting that Trump has been offered the state of Alaska if he drops out of the race and reports from unknown sources reports that he will accept this offer.

Trump will pull out of the race one week before making sure Crooked Hillary wins.

Of course we have zero credibility in reporting is false story.
More detail at 10:00.

An example of the piss poor media today! 🙁

Oh, it just keeps getting better. These people do have rich fantasy lives, I’ll grant them that.

What next? Perhaps a briefcase will be found, containing details of Trump’s secret plan to ship all “journalists” to FDR’s old concentration camps, which he will have refurbished by non-union illegal immigrant labor. The briefcase will, naturally, be found handcuffed to a dead body which will wash ashore on Martha’s Vinyard.

No evidence, no photos, no attributable witness accounts … but unnamed sources will have the complete skinny which they’re willing to leak to Dem operatives. Of course.

    Barry in reply to tom swift. | August 4, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    “Perhaps a briefcase will be found, containing details of Trump’s secret plan to ship all “journalists” to FDR’s old concentration camps…”

    I’m on board. Please tell me those “old concentration camps” include torture.

More concern trolling by Democrat operatives.

I can very much see Trump stepping down — with a big, big, big, BIG scandal. Whining about being treated “unfairly” by the GOP and endorsing Hillary.

This year , who knows , this has been a ride