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Reader Poll: Trump? Hillary? Other?

Reader Poll: Trump? Hillary? Other?

Our first 2016 Presidential General Election Poll, in a really screwed up year.

What a long, strange trip this year’s presidential election has become.

The media (mainstream, liberal and conservative #NeverTrump) have swarmed all over Trump in the past two weeks. Some Republicans who did not previously oppose Trump also are breaking ranks and coming out against him.

The media, by and large, has moved on from scrutiny of Hillary.

For Trump supporters, it’s confirmation of bias against him and the need to tear down the establishment in its broadest sense. For Trump opponents, it’s confirmation of the reasons for their opposition.

Certainly, “anything can happen.” But as of now, the polls mostly look beyond horrible for Trump and have taken a nose dive.

In a normal election year, it would not be worth the pixels to run a general election poll, because close to 100% of the readers would be voting for the Republican. But this is not a normal year. So, this will be our first 2016 General Election Reader Poll.

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You have 5 choices: Trump, Hillary, Gary Johnson (Libertarian), Jill Stein (Green Party) or stay home.

The poll is open until midnight (Pacific Time) Sunday, August 7, 2016.


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#neverstayhome

    clintack in reply to Rab. | August 6, 2016 at 2:30 am

    This.

    Even if you have to leave the top line blank, Senate and Congress and statewide offices matter. A lot.

    Really think Trump would appoint the same judges with a Democrat-majority Senate as with a Republican-majority Senate? He’s the Art of the Deal guy.

      JYLD in reply to clintack. | August 6, 2016 at 12:47 pm

      Not voting for President is a ridiculous statement and not an option when the future of the country, supreme court, and 2nd amendment is at stake. Be a man, grab your huevos, make a decision, pick a side, and cast your vote. And remember, no matter what you do, your vote will either help Hillary win or will help Trump win. Sack up, quit lying to yourself, and pick who you want to be president, Trump or Hillary.

      Ragspierre in reply to clintack. | August 6, 2016 at 1:30 pm

      I chose neither of the shit sandwiches.

      And FLUCK you and I gotta.

      The political process has handed me a loaded barreled shotgun, and idiots like you demand I have to join in a game of Russian Roulette.

      Screw that, and screw you little thugs.

      Art of the Deal guy! Exactly right because he didn’t write!

      In my phone interview with Trump, he initially said of Schwartz, “Tony was very good. He was the co-author.” But he dismissed Schwartz’s account of the writing process. “He didn’t write the book,” Trump told me. “I wrote the book. I wrote the book. It was my book. And it was a No. 1 best-seller, and one of the best-selling business books of all time. Some say it was the best-selling business book ever.” (It is not.) Howard Kaminsky, the former Random House head, laughed and said, “Trump didn’t write a postcard for us!”

      82% of the LI readers want to vote for Trump? You have got to be kidding. Rags is right except I have to vote so the only worthwhile choice is those nice guys over at Big L.

Senator Bluto Blutarsky | August 5, 2016 at 5:53 pm

Trump, contingent upon him refusing to endorse Ryan. If he does, I’ll write in General Mattis.

Who cast the vote for Jill Stein? Someone from Dailykos must have gotten lost on the way to their Ecocommunist Local Chapter organizing event.

I vote for free pot for everyone and a chicken in every car.

How many of the Johnson voting #neverTrumpers here realize Johnson and Weld are giving their support to Black Lives Matters?

    VaGentleman in reply to murkyv. | August 5, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    OMG – now they’ll have to go back to voting for Hillary and claiming it doesn’t matter.

    JYLD in reply to murkyv. | August 5, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    Nobody with a brain could vote for pothead Johnson.

    Even a non pothead libertarian could never be supported as long as they remain batshit crazy on tbe military and national defense.

      I’ve seen you make this type of comment before denigrating the libertarian party regarding national defense and the military.

      Please elaborate, as the Libertarian party PLATFORM seems to be reasonably solid on National Defense.

      To Wit: https://www.lp.org/platform#3.0

      That they want to end international military aid to other countries and that they want to avoid alliances is not an unreasonable though in the abstract (I think it’s the wrong approach, but I can see the appeal).

        Libertarians want to do for the military what Carter and Obama have done. Completely decimated. Short on trained personnel, spare parts, bullets and other equipment. Combine the destruction of our fighting capability with an extreme isolationist point of view.

        Batshit Crazy. Just like Obama and Carter.

        Their pothead intoxication burn out makes them forget that “if you want peace, prepare for war”.

          Ragspierre in reply to JYLD. | August 5, 2016 at 11:08 pm

          You ARE aware that Der Donald attacked the defense industry, along with pharma, insurance, and the energy industry in a major speech last year. Right?

          I am.

          Perhaps I asked the wrong question. Let me try again:

          Are your comments regarding the denigration of the Libertarian party on national defense based on statements from PARTY OFFICIALS or are they based on statements from your PERSONAL INTERACTIONS with individual members/adherents of the Libertarian Party?

          (don’t get me wrong, and check my prior comments if you don’t believe me, my opinion of it is that there is only one rule of war: ~win~). I have not seen anything ~official~ regarding what the Libertarian Party thinks a sufficient military for national defense looks like. If you have, please point the rest of us to it.

          tobiathan in reply to JYLD. | August 6, 2016 at 4:48 pm

          You discredit yourself every time you type “pothead”.

          U.S. military spending is 50 times higher than other country. When is enough, enough?

          Germany with their high-powered economy spends only 1% of their GNP on their military and they send us $800 million per year to provide them with defensive forces. Putting that in perspective, Obama is sending God-knows how many F-22s to Europe to demonstrate our commitment to NATO and a single F-22 costs $139 million each. Meanwhile half of the German airplanes, ships, tanks and other equipment is in such bad repair that it will not operate.

          So lets get the hell out of Europe, Japan, Korea and, for Gods-sake, Turkey, ASAP. We don’t fight wars in the same way we did in the 20th century.

          Part of the reason that Military spending in the United States is 50x some other countries is that those other countries have come to RELY on the US force projection capabilities if there were ever a serious threat.

          If the US scaled back in any significant manner, I expect that you would suddenly see a LOT of countries ramping up THEIR military spending (which comes with lots of down-sides, including militantism, adventurism, and diplomacy largely becoming much more bellicose.

          There is a certain logic to it, where if the United States maintains a big enough military presence, peaceful interaction is enhanced because the individual nations reduce their own military spending and readiness.

          Whether it’s a good STRATEGY is a different matter of debate (one which the libertarians do want to have, and is likely worthwhile to engage in).

The only winner this election will be Jimmy Carter, who is almost certain to move up to only the third worst President.

    Twanger in reply to Estragon. | August 5, 2016 at 6:47 pm

    Well played!

    I dunno. It’s been seven and a half years of the current occupant of the Oval Office, and I have yet to see anything positive about him. I’m not sure how anybody could be worse.

    OnlyRightDissentAllowed in reply to Estragon. | August 5, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    Where does George W. Bush fit into your list? I am assuming think Obama is the worst. But it is hard to fit below presiding over 9/11, starting the wrong war, leaving a vacuum that paved the way for ISIS and exiting office at the height of the worst economy since the Great Depression.

    I would have thought you guys would have lost your appetite for no-nothings after GWB. I guess he did pick a Supreme Court Justice or two that you liked.

      Vacuum? There were 30,000 US troops in that ‘vacuum’ when Bush left office. Clinton and the jug-eared twat created the vacuum with their failure to negotiate. As usual, the rest of your ‘points’ are equally retarded.

        OnlyRightDissentAllowed in reply to Paul. | August 6, 2016 at 12:34 am

        Yeah, 30K troops that had to pay the Sunnis not to blow them up and no ‘Status of Forces Agreement’. We weren’t welcome by either Sunni or Shia. That was Obama’s fault? How many more years were we supposed to stay and at what cost in blood and treasure? Besides wasn’t Trump opposed? At least that is what he says now.

        Besides the mission had been accomplished 5 years before. I remember every freakin’ conservative in the country crowing about that. One clown (I think Hannity) crowed that no democrat could possibly look as good as Bush in a flight suit and that 2004 was a lock.

        So Bush had 4 more years (literally) to clean up his act. You want to blame it on Obama. Sure.

      “…starting the wrong war..”?

      IIRC there were virtually no terror/jihad-related attacks while we had combat troops in force in Iraq. By fighting there we dared them to face other “warriors” and not helpless civilians- and it worked until, like during Vietnam, the Dem’s pulled out too early and far too suddenly in an attempt to embarrass R’s.

      When did LI become a haven for left-centrists?

        When did LI become a haven for left-centrists?

        OnlyRightDissentAllowed, Secondwind, JYLD and a certain number of other “TrumpTrolls” as I’ll call them have invaded and have decided that they would start flame-wars. They are of the “Trump can do no wrong” mindset and then they usually bring up Sen. Cruz with the quality of a “LOOK SQUIRREL” approach. They particularly like to flame Ragspierre. There is theory that they are the sock-puppets of former “TrumpTroll” banned individuals, which would make sense given their vicious nature and their seeming inability

        At minimum, the three named ones above are morons, and if you ask them a reasonable question, they usually ignore, dodge or straw-man the answer. But, even a broken clock is right twice a day, so every so often something not entirely incorrect dribbles from their keyboards.

The anyone but Monica Lewinsky’s ex-boyfriend’s wife contingent is strong in this crowd.

DieJustAsHappy | August 5, 2016 at 6:46 pm

If the election were held today, with disgust and a heavy heart my vote would go to Trump. I thought were supposed to be enthused, confident, and have little reservation about those we voted for elected office.

Hillary’s campaign is running ads in California. California! This one could be a blowout when the votes are cast.

    OnlyRightDissentAllowed in reply to rotten. | August 6, 2016 at 12:14 am

    I just saw a Clinton ad in NYC. NY is not in play. So my guess is she has more money then she knows what to do with. Maybe they just want to run up the popular vote count.

      Are you certain NY is not in play? It may just be in play for reasons other than what you would normally expect.

      In the 2014 Governor’s race, the Green Party almost broke 5% with Howie Hawkins. Sec. Clinton may be running ads in NYC to avoid losing vote-share to the Green Party as the Sen. Sanders voters flee.

      Here in El Paso, the Democrat party apparatus (not just the voters, the actual Party OFFICIALS) is in the middle of its own private Civil War, as half of the party here is refusing to support any sort of Clinton initiative, and those OFFICIALS are openly stating that they will vote Green Party due to the Democrat National Committee shenanigans against Sen. Sanders.

      I’m actually hoping that they do. If the Democrat party fractures, it might actually create openings for a Republican or a Conservative to run and win (as the Democrat Party here currently has such a hold that for most races the Republicans don’t even bother to field a candidate).

inspectorudy | August 5, 2016 at 7:16 pm

If cheeto man doesn’t do something soon voting for him won’t matter either. hillary lies daily but the msm don’t seem to be interested in her lies and outrageous claims but Trump can’t even eat fried chicken without being made a parody on TV. We all knew that the msm was giving Trump all of the primary attention and he used it badly but thrilled enough government haters to win the big enchilada. Now, once again they are giving him all their attention and it’s all bad. We all knew this would be scenario because the msm is so corrupt but can you imagine what a hillary presidency will be like if she takes the Senate too? No oversight from the msm and her AG will make eric holder look like Abe Lincoln! CIA, IRS, EPA and HSA will be but weapons in her arsenal against any who challenge her. Single payer healthcare, overturn Heller v DC and goodbye to Citizens United. Unlimited immigration and amnesty for all. My God! How can anyone NOT vote for Trump?

    The Trumpaloos assured us that Cheeto Boy knows how to handle the press. I guess he must be giving them the rope-a-dope or something.

Where is the “I want to hurl” option?

Ha, Ha, Ha. I’m sorry, but why is everyone so disappointed that Trump is the Republican nominee? In the last 20 years, the Republican Party has treated us to Bob Dole, John McCain and Mit Romney, three candidates who were so liberal that they might as well have been Democrats. Then we had G.W. Bush, who actually LOST the popular vote to the moonbat Al Gore and barely beat John Kerry, noted for his treasonous activities during the Vietnam War. And Bush’s dad, GHW Bush, who was creamed by the future philanderer-in-chief, Bill Clinton, even after a stunning victory in Gulf War I.

And, who did the Republicans field this year? Mostly middle of the road [read Liberal Light] candidates and establishment insiders; including Ted Cruz. So, we now have Donald Trump, who may be irreverent and a little off-the-wall, but is anti-establishment. And, his candidacy terrifies both the Democrats and the Establishment. As there is little that he can do without the willing support of the Congress, what is there to lose?

As I said, ignore the polls. If they were anywhere near accurate, we would not see the various whisper campaigns running against Trump. The only thing that can really stop a Trump inauguration is vote fraud. So, watch for that to crop up. And, do not expect the Republican Party or its poll watchers to be active in thwarting fraud this year.

    tom swift in reply to Mac45. | August 5, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    As there is little that he can do without the willing support of the Congress, what is there to lose?

    Unfortunately, the big lesson of the Obama reign is that “checks and balances” are mainly for show, and that Congress is basically useless.

    Which is too bad, as the Constitution constructs a federal government with Congress as its core, with the Executive there for the jobs that Congressional committees can’t reasonably be expected to do.

    That grand organizational plan didn’t work too well even in Washington’s first term, and it still doesn’t.

      DieJustAsHappy in reply to tom swift. | August 5, 2016 at 8:55 pm

      I daresay that should Trump be elected and try half the stuff Obama did Congress would impeach him for sure. Tangle with the first black President? Nope. They weren’t going to do so, as we’ve plainly seen. Trump. Cantankerous white male who might upset the apple cart, I have no doubts they would proceed post haste.

    OnlyRightDissentAllowed in reply to Mac45. | August 5, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    John McCain and Mitt Romney are liberals? I think you need to start a party of your own that will be sufficiently pure. Unfortunately, you would have no chance of winning.

    Kerry treasonous? He was awarded a silver star, a bronze star and 3 purple hearts. Unless you wish to disparage the manner and seriousness with which the military treats decorations, you should watch your tongue. I have always been surprised at how ‘pro-military’ conservatives can become selective when they disagree politically with someone. Either medals mean something or they don’t mean anything on anyone. Take your choice. Do you agree with Trump that McCain was not a war hero and Trump made ‘sacrifices’? McCain refuse early release on less than honorable conditions.

    There is a reason the term ‘swift-boating’ entered the lexicon as a pejorative term of political attack.

    If you are referring to Kerry’s subsequent anti-war activities, then I have to wonder if you have said anything or taken place in any protest related to any action taken by Obama in Afghanistan or Iraq. If you did, then you were treasonous by your definition; or does than only apply to liberals?

    Yes, Trump scares me because he is indolent, ignorant, incompetent and a grifter. That seems to be a thing with republican stars like Sarah Palin – they know nothing and they don’t want to learn. But if he can do little without the support of the Congress, then neither can Hillary. So what is the problem?

    You think Cruz is ‘Liberal Light’ and establishment? I think both liberals and the establishment (right and left wing) would strongly disagree. Besides Cruz had zero chance in the general election. If none of the other 15 suit you, then again, I suggest you need a party of your own that will be pure enough for your superior judgement, knowledge and integrity.

    There aren’t any ‘whisper campaigns’. The voices are loud and clear. Who is whispering if the media is, allegedly, loudly supporting Clinton. What would be the point of whispering if everybody can hear them? Who are they whispering to? Are you sure you don’t mean the dog whistling of racists like Trump?

    Ah, yes the final canard – voter fraud. You can’t possibly be wrong or in the minority, so it must be fraud. Maybe by fraud, you mean that only people who think like you should be enfranchised. We have a Constitution in this country; no Nuremberg laws. Any person born here or naturalized gets to vote regardless of color or religion. The days when white, property owning males were the only voters is long gone. Is that the time period that Trump wants to bring us back to? At exactly what period of time was America great; as opposed to now? During slavery? During the Great Depression? During Segregation? During the Sixties? Exactly what fantasy do you wish for?

    If the republican party and its poll watchers are not going to catch fraud, how will you know there was fraud with that tin foil covering your head? Besides it is voter suppression that seems to be tactic du jour; although it seems to be failing.

    I am sorry if you do not like the majority of the citizens of this country. Not really.

      And EXACTLY HOW did John “effing” Kerry EARN those Purple Hearts? Hmmmm? Now, I know there was a LOT of Purple Hearts being given out during the Viet Nam conflict for minor wounds, but the allegations are that Kerry’s were minor even for MINOR wounds. The Silver Star? That one I’ll pass on, given that there are conflicting accounts ranging from “the Viet Cong who was killed was going to shoot a RPG at fellow soldiers” to “the Viet Cong who was killed was in the process of fleeing.”

      John McCain is a LIBERAL. He has PROVEN that time and time again by his actions (see McCain-Feingold of 2002, McCain-Kennedy-Bush Immigration “Reform” of 2005, Gang of 14 (on Judges), Gang of 8 on Immigration “Reform” of 2013, Global Warming Cap & Tax, claimed Justice Samuel Alito was “too Conservative and in 2005 had no doubt that “Senator Clinton would make a good President”). An individual does NOT have to be a Democrat to be a liberal. There is GENERALLY a CORRELATION between Conservatives and Republicans vs Liberals and Democrats, but it is not exclusively so.

      While I did not serve due to an unfortunate life-threatening illness at 17, since becoming an Attorney I’ve represented a LOT of military service members, and (by sheer, dumb luck) I have had the honor of representing more than one Medal of Honor Recipient. So I’m going to say that I have a good idea of what actual heroes look like up close and personal.

      Kerry isn’t a hero. McCain’s time in the Hanoi Hilton was awful, and his actions admirable. But that doesn’t make HIM a hero either.

      As for Sen. Cruz being brought up, I will leave it as I think, after a 1-on-1 appearance where his vibrant policy and political differences with Sec. Clinton could have been shown to the Nation, that he would have outperformed expectations, and would have had a better-than-average chance of defeating Sec. Clinton. We won’t know, because Mr. Trump is, for better or for worse, the candidate. We’ll all find out together how well that works out in about another 90 or so days.

      As for voter fraud, you need look only as far as Pennsylvania or Ohio. Look at the occurrences in Philadelphia specifically, where you have entire election precincts where not a SINGLE vote was cast for Mitt Romney in the last election. THAT is statistically IMPOSSIBLE. Also, see reports (some self-reports) where individuals bragged about voting multiple times or where POLL WORKERS THEMSELVES discussed having voted multiple times or in other individual’s names (see Melowese Richardson, Ohio, sentanced to be imprisoned for 5 years, served 8 months and then applauded by the Ohio Democrat Committee). If you’re willing to go out on a limb, see some of James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas work recently in Brooklyn during the NY Primaries.

      Voter Fraud is a VERY REAL THREAT, and there will need to be a coordinated effort to limit Democrat shenanigans, of which they have had several DECADES to become masters.

        OnlyRightDissentAllowed in reply to Chuck Skinner. | August 6, 2016 at 1:35 am

        So American medals are cheap. My dad flew combat in WW II. He impressed on me that no medal in the US Military came cheap.

        McCain may or may not be a hero, but Trump definitely is not. I bring that up only because Trump doesn’t have any boundaries. Hero or not, McCain isn’t a loser because he got shot down. That is what Trump said. Eh? I expected Trump was DOA right after that.

        My dad is 95. We was also a lawyer. But he let his drivers license expire. I also had to move him. So he was not registered to vote and he had no id. I had to order his birth certificate and wait 2 weeks for it. They only sent it to ME because I could produce my birth certificate proving that I was his son. Then it took me 2 full days, not including 4 hours round trip on each day, to get him a license (no he doesn’t actually driver anymore) and to register him to vote. He was a lawyer and I have a Masters. It cost me gas, tolls and parking. We are financially comfortable. I still went through hell to get him registered. So I don’t want to hear about how it isn’t a hurdle. It sure as hell felt like we jumped a few. What about the people who don’t have the resources or the time that we had?

        BTW, he voted for Romney. I laughed when he told me. But my sister was a little peeved with both of us.

        You gave me 1 specific example. More republicans were caught trying to prove that voter fraud was easy.

        I also know that ‘True the Vote’ tried to prove illegal registrations in place like Ohio in 2012. They sent in hundreds of ‘inspectors’. They flagged one house because too many people claimed to live there. It turns out it was an extended family in a multiple dwelling. They ultimately went home with their tails between their legs and no scalps. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/us/politics/groups-like-true-the-vote-are-looking-very-closely-for-voter-fraud.html

        While I don’t know about districts with 0 votes for Romney, I can tell that you know nothing about statistics. It is improbable and suspicious, but it is absolutely statistically possible for everyone in a district to vote the same way for one office. Please explain how it is impossible – not unlikely – but impossible. Besides, that would not be the result of impersonation fraud; which is the type covered by voter id laws.

        You also need to be sensitive to what southern blacks had to go through to exercise their absolute right to vote. Did you ever take a literacy test? Did you get arrested or have your head bashed in for asking for a registration form? Don’t underestimate the sensitivity and symbolism based on that history. That will never justify fraud, but it might make one suspicious of the motives of republican controlled legislatures – especially when one indiscreet PA legislator bragged that he had just won his state for Romney after PA passed a law in early 2012. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8

        As for O’Keefe, you shouldn’t embarrass yourself. He has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar too often to be taken seriously. You do know that he & his partner did not wear pimp & ho costumes in ACORN and they used voice over instead of the voices of the other party. You do know they had the cops called on them in one location and were thrown out on their a$$es at another. Mary Landrieu’s staff did have him arrested. Even Breitbart distanced himself from O’Keefe. Please don’t tell me that he is primary source material because he is a proven liar. PROVEN!

      Your comments are far too long, grammatically complex and full of specific rhetoric for you to be an actual casual poster.

      You’re syntax screams “paid leftist shill” loud and clear for those who know what they’re “hearing”[reading].

William A. Jacobson | August 5, 2016 at 7:28 pm

Oh well, the poll is being stoked for Trump. http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3456932/posts

This happened during the primaries too. I’ll leave it live but the results are not reflective of regular LI readers.

The 30 vote, stay home contingent are the regular L i readers as represented by the Parrotmaster & his Assistants.

    Yes, yes, you’ve made your anti-Conservative views ABUNDANTLY clear Secondwind. We get it. Maybe you should leave the discussion to the adults in the room.

    Perhaps you should be less worried about making bird references and go back to hiding under your Bridge where your ugliness doesn’t show.

    We promise we’ll come and find you when there is Trump-puffery to be done (pat-pat-pat on the head).

I think this is a perfect time to remind everyone of a consequence of a President Hillary. Namely Supreme Court Justice William Jefferson Clinton

    rabidfox in reply to RodFC. | August 5, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    Naw, he’s too old. Let Supreme Court Justice Lynch roll around on your tongue. Or how about Eric Holder. There are a few others that she could tap who are more interested in the agenda than the Constitution.

    inspectorudy in reply to RodFC. | August 6, 2016 at 12:02 am

    You can remind us all you want but if your idol doesn’t start acting like a leader with more than fifty words in his vocabulary, he will lose all but the anti-immigrant class. I watched most of his speech tonight and all I can say is he had given this speech during the primaries he wouldn’t be the nominee. He is still talking like he is in the primaries and is still talking about his poll numbers! “We’re gonna make our military great again”. “We always lose when we negotiate and we’re gonna stop losing”. “Crooked hillary”. Does this sound like a man who could run this nation?

    tobiathan in reply to RodFC. | August 6, 2016 at 5:12 pm

    Wow. I’m actually amazed that that hasn’t been mentioned more. That would be massively inappropriate, a total conflict of interest and as immoral and unethical as it gets, even for a Clinton.

Trump doesn’t have to do a thing to earn my vote. All I have to do is look around and see who opposes (fears) him.

In order of appearance, far right, center, left, far left. Or just center, left, far right/far left nexus.

Common Sense | August 5, 2016 at 8:16 pm

TRUMP 2016

Make America Great Again for Everyone!

Did anyone see Crooked Hillary today try again to explain way
her e-mail/private server scandal. Guess what? She continued
to lie! She is a compulsive liar.

Watch what happens live text in poll was 62% Trump 38ŕ Hillary. The watch what happens live audience is likely more women more gay and more liberal than population as a whole.

I’m just going to vote for him, that doesn’t mean I have to defend him. The thought of having Hillary in office for eight years…

    DieJustAsHappy in reply to georgfelis. | August 5, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    Especially when he’s making it most difficult to do so.

      Valerie in reply to DieJustAsHappy. | August 5, 2016 at 9:30 pm

      Actually, he is not making it difficult. All you have to do is chase down his actual quotes. Then you see how something reasonable got misreported. Over, and over, and over.

      For example. the mother in The Famous Crying Baby episode had this to say:
      http://redalertpolitics.com/2016/08/05/mother-crying-baby-trump-rally-trump-never-kicked-child/

      And this is The Great Khan flap
      The Khan family are immigrants from Pakistan. One of their sons joined the Army and he was killed in Iraq when he protected fellow soldiers from a carbomb. His parents went to the DNC and talked about their son to demonstrate that a “ban on muslims” could keep someone like their son out of America.

      Stephanopoulos brought them up to Trump in an interview:
      “STEPHANOPOULOS: He said you wouldn’t have let his son in America.

      TRUMP: He doesn’t know — he doesn’t know that.
      I saw him. He was, you know, very emotional. And probably looked like — a nice guy to me. His wife, if you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably — maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say. You tell me, but plenty of people have written that.

      She was extremely quiet and looked like she had nothing to say. A lot of people have said that.
      And personally, I watched him. I wish him the best of luck, George.”

      Here’s his written statement
      “Captain Humayun Khan was a hero to our country and we should honor all who have made the ultimate sacrifice to keep our country safe. The real problem here are the radical Islamic terrorists who killed him, and the efforts of these radicals to enter our country to do us further harm. Given the state of the world today, we have to know everything about those looking to enter our country, and given the state of chaos in some of these countries, that is impossible.”

      Responding to Khizr Khan, who spoke at the Democratic National Convention where he criticized Trump, the Republican nominee said, “While I feel deeply for the loss of his son, Mr. Khan who has never met me, has no right to stand in front of millions of people and claim I have never read the Constitution, (which is false) and say many other inaccurate things. If I become President, I will make America safe again.”

      “Further, Hillary Clinton should be held accountable for her central role in destabilizing the Middle East. She voted to send the United States to war against Iraq, helped lead the disastrous withdrawal of American troops years later that created the vacuum allowing the rise of ISIS, and has never met a regime change she didn’t like (which have all been disasters) – not to mention her invasion of Libya and her abandonment of American personnel in Benghazi. The loss of these lives in Libya is directly traceable to Clinton, but their families’ testimonials were rejected by the media,” Trump said.

        Ragspierre in reply to Valerie. | August 5, 2016 at 9:38 pm

        Please, Val. That’s just rank T-rump suckupery, and it’s insulting to the many here who know that representing THAT as the alpha and omega of that SET of stupid Tar Baby punches is simply a lie.

          Texit 2018? Really?

          murkyv in reply to Ragspierre. | August 6, 2016 at 11:54 am

          You really really can’t handle the truth, can you?

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | August 6, 2016 at 1:41 pm

          Sure can, asphole. Try telling some.

          What is Operation URGENT PIVOT, and why is it a thing.

          tobiathan in reply to Ragspierre. | August 6, 2016 at 5:23 pm

          Ragspierre- what happened to you (or your log-in”? Two years ago you were vehemently conservative and an outside-the-box thinker who made good sense and a staple of the voices of LI.

          Now you sound like you’ve sold out, been bought out or just plain gave away your U/N to some airheaded SJW for reasons unknown.

          What.The.Hell. happened to you?

          TBI?

          murkyv in reply to Ragspierre. | August 6, 2016 at 8:38 pm

          The truth was posted that you just commented on and dismissed.

          Yiua are living(I assume) proof that #factsdontmatter to those with Acute Trump Derangement Syndrome

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | August 7, 2016 at 1:20 am

          What was Operation URGENT PIVOT, and why was it deemed necessary by the T-rump campaign?

        DieJustAsHappy in reply to Valerie. | August 5, 2016 at 10:10 pm

        It’s possible that if Mr. Dilemma was included in the poll he would receive the most votes. With all that’s facing this country we still have Hillary talking about her d*mn emails. Trump is talking about, well, Trump which include the Insult-of-the-Day, the Mis-statement-of-the-Day, the Exaggeration-of-the-Dat, etc.

        Like it or not there are any number of people who are confused, frustrated, and put off with both candidates in just about equal measure. Thus, their dilemma. And, they don’t have hours upon hours to devote to finding who-said about what-said. And, of course, we have much of the media adding to the muddle.

        Yes, I and some of those I know can say we’ll vote for drop, only because we’re so opposed to Hillary. Defend him, however, is quite another matter and difficult for most of us to do.

          tom swift in reply to DieJustAsHappy. | August 5, 2016 at 11:05 pm

          Trump is talking about, well, Trump which include the Insult-of-the-Day, the Mis-statement-of-the-Day, the Exaggeration-of-the-Dat, etc.

          You see him jousting with a hostile press, one constantly searching for “gotchas,” which he evades by being unpredictable, even infuriating. Then you are disappointed because you are looking for thoughtful policy discussions, and not seeing any when he’s manipulating his inquisitors (and very well, too). This would be like claiming that Shakespeare is supposed to be some sort of red-hot dramatist, but when you read one of his laundry lists, it just says “two shirts, no starch”—sheesh, you call that writing? What a fraud! Or perhaps seeing Sterling Moss driving to church at a sedate 35 mph, and thinking, how did this guy ever win any races driving like that?

          Context is vital.

          DieJustAsHappy in reply to DieJustAsHappy. | August 5, 2016 at 11:51 pm

          tom swift,
          While I realize what Trump is supposedly doing in terms of battling with the press, although I’m not so sure anymore, what I see as a problem is that in the process he’s not giving any number people a reason to support him. Indeed, the longer the campaign continues the more this perception seems to solidify.

          Obviously, you’re aware of the negativism Trump has generated. How this translates into votes sufficient to win the election I just don’t know.

        inspectorudy in reply to Valerie. | August 6, 2016 at 12:10 am

        Val, that is one of the worst post event pardons I have ever seen. We judge men/women by the way they handle things as they come up. Not after three days of digging and research by their team. That is the obama/clinton way. A leader handles things as a leader should at that moment. Most of us will never face that moment in our lives but Trump has had several and failed at all of them. Then his fans all jump on the bandwagon and tell us how bad the evil person who confronted him really is and all of the bad things they have done in their lives. Trump blew the Kahn affair and all the Trump horsesasses and all the Trump men can’t put him back together again.

          Ragspierre in reply to inspectorudy. | August 6, 2016 at 12:15 am

          ANYBODY without a serious personality disorder would have had the sense to just STFU.

          Donelle T-warp cannot.

          tobiathan in reply to inspectorudy. | August 6, 2016 at 5:29 pm

          Did you personally observe all these alleged “gaffes” by Trump in thier intended context?

          Or are you just doing what the MSM wants you to and believing their slanted reportage full-on without ever bothering to question any of it?

          Trump is STILL filling venues everywhere he goes; Hillary barely has an audience.

          For those Who Have Eyes To See.

          Ragspierre in reply to inspectorudy. | August 7, 2016 at 1:24 am

          What was Operation URGENT PIVOT, and why was it deemed necessary by the T-rump campaign?

          And why was Rush so concerned that he spent a major portion of one show on, “Oh, geez, I can’t believe he’s being so stupid…”

          Those with eyes can see.

None of the above. Vote your conscience. Consciously.

    Yeah, that would be a good option for the poll.

      And remember, no matter what you do, your vote will either help Hillary win or will help Trump win. Sack up, quit lying to yourself, and pick who you want to be president, Trump or Hillary.

        I want neither to be president, and my vote will reflect that admirably. Thanks, though, for your careful concern about little old me, especially given that Trump has stated that he doesn’t want or need the votes of constitutional conservatives like me; he’s going after the socialist Bernie vote instead. How lovely.

          tobiathan in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 6, 2016 at 5:39 pm

          When did Trump say that he didn’t or need the votes of Constitutional Conservatives?

          Link or reference to a source, please?

          I’m not just being facetious: i want to know where he says that.

          “Link or reference to a source, please?”

          Not one. He didn’t say it. Amy links to sites that hate trump and just make shit up. Neither link is anything like the headline.

          Yes, he did say it, Barry. You may not like where his exact words were published, but that’s what he said. To locate the source and hear Trump’s words coming out of Trump’s mouth, simply click on the link to the source. He’s going after Bernie votes, and he is confident that he can get them because his policies are very much in line with many of theirs. Why do you think he had Ivanka babbling about the phony wage gap or about the taxpayer footing the bill for everyone’s child care? Why do you think he’s adamantly announced over and over that Bush lied about WMD’s and that he did so in order to get us into war in Iraq? Why do you think he’s touting a plan for infrastructure that will cost us a trillion dollars, making if far more expensive than Obama’s plan for infrastructure? Why do you think he supports a minimum wage increase (well, some days)? Why do you think he lists education and health care as two of the top three priorities of federal government? Why do you think he supports socialized medicine? Why do you think he opposes any change to the primary budget-killers in our federal budget (Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security)?

          Look, supporting Trump is perfectly within everyone’s right, but what baffles me is that his supporters on the right(ish) don’t seem to understand his actual policy ideas or his history on various political issues. When both Think Progress and MSNBC write about what a great progressive Trump is, it may be time to wonder why.

          Trump is neither a true radical leftist nor a true conservative (or any other kind of conservative). He cherry-picks ideas from both sides and then tries to mash them together as if that would somehow work. This is a serious problem for Trump because it shows he’s not only unforgivably naive but that he’s also incapable of critical thinking in terms of understanding how his policies would play out in economic and fiscal terms, regarding the ridiculously high national debt, regarding . . . well, anything. He just grabs at stuff in the ether without any thought or understanding at all. Well, actually, I’m not sure he gets as far as not understanding what would happen if his hodge-podge of expensive lunacy were ever enacted. He doesn’t think past the moment. That is a real problem.

          Ragspierre in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 8, 2016 at 8:38 am

          Why are T-rump sucking cultist reduced to being disgusting liars?

          “Does the party have to be together, does it have to be unified?” he said during an interview on ABC’s “This Week” that will air Sunday. “I’m very different from anybody who’s perhaps ever run for office. I actually don’t think so.”

          “I think it would be better if it were unified, I think there would be something good about it, but I don’t actually think it has to be unified,” he said.

          The presumptive GOP nominee said that he can win without the backing of the full party by drawing Democratic voters, specifically supporters of Bernie Sanders.
          ———————————————–

          The lying SOS also says he’s a conservative. He doesn’t know what that means.

      Ragspierre in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 6, 2016 at 2:36 pm

      You’re a lying little sack of shit.

      MY vote will tell the political process it utter failed, and I won’t have either of the stinking, lying, pathological Collectivist thugs.

      And idiot bullies like you, with your stupid arguments and EMTy sacks won’t change that.

      The Friendly Grizzly in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 6, 2016 at 7:47 pm

      We have it here in Nevada. “None of the above”. With this state controlled by unions, the EVs here will go to Mrs. Clinton anyway, and it is the EVs that matter; not the popular vote.

Cruz refused to endorse Ryan today.

    Ragspierre in reply to JYLD. | August 5, 2016 at 9:20 pm

    IF that wasn’t just a gratuitous lie, I’d say, “Good for him”.

    Your little yellow god blinked. First, he looked stupid and vindictive. Now he ALSO looks weak.

    Heh…!!!

Since the day Cruz dropped out I have been working to get myself able to vote for Trump, because Hillary.
Trump keeps making that difficult, but I was getting closer.
Now, with Trump’s endorsements of Ryan, McCain, and Ayotte, I am back to square one.
For 8 years I have stated that we have not seen the worst of obama, and I think is still true.
I know we have not seen the worst of Hillary.
I now believe that we have not seen the worst of Trump.
I am horrified.

6. Ted Cruz, dammit.

When you T-rump suckers (not T-rump voters…different population) talk about T-rump blowing up the “Establishment” did you mean like an air mattress…???

I told you last June that this man is Mr. Establishment. I’ve been proven correct again.

    Q. P.
    You consistently call those who disagree with you liar’s.
    You Sir, are the sole consistent liar on this site.

      Ragspierre in reply to secondwind. | August 5, 2016 at 10:44 pm

      Post some. Liar. Just links, not your lies about what I’ve said.

        I made my statement, I stand by it. I’ll not play in your sandbox. It’s full of the skat you are made of.
        Continue to do your specialty. It’s working so well.

        You helped Cruz capture the republican nomination. You’ve advanced the cause & message of “principled conservatism”. You’ve been a stalwart in the battle against the threat & realization of the goals of the internationalist & statist left. You’ve been notable for your courage & determination on the front lines of that raging & ongoing battle. Your focus on that mission has been laser sharp & on target. Nothing distracts you,

        You are an inspiration to all of us that are so involved.

        But, now that we’re looking at your actual accomplishments ;
        none of that is actually true.

        That sir, makes you the liar you truly are.

          Ragspierre in reply to secondwind. | August 6, 2016 at 12:43 am

          Awww…

          Just because you have the epic butt-hurt of having smeared Ryan for DAYS, while falsely imputing all kinds of false bullshit about me, only to have Mr. Establishment ENDORSE him and every other puke in the GOPe, never, ever makes me a liar.

          Poor insane loser.

          Queer one.
          As usual, you completely blew off my points. As usual, you resort to misdirection & inanities. Furthering my point you are a stupid looser full of himself.

          I could respond to you, make hash of your points & inferences but I won’t do that. I & others in the past have done so & it’s a waste of time. You are what you are & somehow that is seen as “clever” by your acolytes on this site. Which is why this site is increasingly a non player in the larger battle.

          That is your one accomplishment. Glory in it, revel in it, wallow in it like the loser you are. Your 30 acolytes in this choir that is L.I. can sing to high heaven at your importance. Secure in the knowledge you are either irrelevant at best, or you played your miniscule role in making Hillary Clinton POTUS. Congratulations.

          Ragspierre in reply to secondwind. | August 6, 2016 at 6:44 am

          Your “great leader” in the “struggle” endorsed Paul Ryan and John McAnus!

          Eat that, and die.

I think I need to create a headline along the lines: Trump obliterates Clinton lead in shocking, new poll. That’s the kind of reporting our elite media is doing nowadays.

Jeremy Diamond Verified account
‏@JDiamond1

Finally, Nehlen says he’s still supporting Trump. Calls endorsement “the mark of a true leader.” Kind of still scratching my head… 3/3

Yep. T-rump is blowing up the establishment…!!! Like a plastic party doll…!!!

BWWWWWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…gasp…HAHAHAHAHAHA

    Hummmmmm! Heard tell that your one note band is drawing huggggggeeeeeeee boos. Not any wonder there!

    Texit 2018! Really? Nah, just a cry in the wind from a few torn Rags!

      Ragspierre in reply to Doug Wright. | August 6, 2016 at 3:07 pm

      Doug, you’re being an asshole. You should stop being an asshole.

      You promised never to interact with me many months ago. You are showing yourself to be a liar. Get right with integrity. Try being a man.

        You’ve proved that you cannot tolerate direct questions, you cannot tolerate that others have differing opinions, you cannot accept that you’re not capable of attracting others to your views, whatever the heck those views might be since they change quite often.

        All you seem capable of doing is working as hard as you can to destroy what another has built. You hide behind a phony screen name and attack, quite harshly, with your extremely foul and crude statements. Be a man, act like one, and your wishes can be granted. Be a man, accept that others can disagree with your views. It really is as simple as that, punk!

        Lastly, you choose to refute one of my comments recently and that seemed like a good time to begin to go after you and your rabid, disgusting behavior towards all others; well there are some here who truly love you, in a perverted way; go figure. All you are is a phony little person screaming at everyone else; Begin your shouting, screaming, and start rendering your clothes into Rags.

        Finally, you were asked a straight forward, and direct, question regarding “Texit 2018” and you are seemingly incapable of even beginning to discuss that, and especially whether the 1870 Recertification of Texas has any bearing on the legality of Texas Secession. Personally, I feel that Texas Secession in 1861 was permissible based on the original legislation, agreement, to join the Union and that the 1870 Recertification will not allow further such action, nor the capability to form four other states from Texas.

Kihzr Khan Says Hillary Is Allah’s Candidate
Kihzr Khan, the sharia law promoting Hillary supporter who spoke at DNC convention, went on Pakistan TV to declare that Allah wants Hillary to win the election Get that? Hillary Clinton is Allah’s choice.

So if you are inclined to shout Allahu Ahkbar from time to time then Hillary is your candidate. If on the other hand you think a temporary halt to refugees from Syria and other terrorist countries is a common sense perfectly reasonable thing to do, then VOTE FOR TRUMP THE NOT ALLAH’S CHOICE.

The choice for America is clear. if you want the USA to experience a 1000 fold increase in rapes and sexual assaults just like what is happening in Germany and Sweeden, if you want the USA to experience at least one terrorist attack per week like what is happening in France, and if you want Iran to give a nuclear bomb to ISIS so they can detonate it in one of our major cities, then vote for Hillary. She’s Allah’s choice.

    Ragspierre in reply to JYLD. | August 6, 2016 at 3:25 pm

    “Kihzr Khan Says Hillary Is Allah’s Candidate”

    But who gives a good shit what Mr. Khan says, or even what your stupid sources SAYS he says…???

    You? Do you believe Mr. Khan? What a FLUCKING moron.

      The entire media on a 24/7 basis, the DNC and Hillary all cared very much what Khizr Khan had to say for the past two weeks.

        Ragspierre in reply to JYLD. | August 7, 2016 at 12:31 am

        Only because Donelle T-wamp could not STFU, and jest kepta punching dat Tar Baby.

        The man is pathological. And NOOOOOOOBODY cares about Khan.

DieJustAsHappy | August 6, 2016 at 3:41 pm

Mayor Lenny of New York (ya’ know of “Ghostbusters” fame) stated: “Being miserable and treating other people like dirt is every New Yorker’s God-given right.” While that might play in New York it doesn’t do so well in some other parts of America.

So, Trump might think about stop giving more “ammo” to his opponents than his supporters.

My real choice of “write in someone else” was not one of the ones given. So, I went with Clinton for the poll. I will almost certainly not do it in actual vote, but I might, out of spite.

Read why this soldier would never vote Hillary.

One of my Last details was for Hillary when she was Secretary of State. She was in Turkey for whatever reason. I helped with sweeps of her DV Quarters and staff vehicles. Her words to me? “Get that Fucking dog away from me.” Then she turns to her Security Detail and berates them up and down about why that animal was in her quarters. For the next 20 minutes while I sit there waiting to be released she lays into her detail, slamming the door in their faces when she’s done. The Detail lead walks over apologizes and releases me. I apologize to him for getting him in trouble. His words “Happens every day, Brother”

Hillary doesn’t care about anyone but Hillary.

https://www.facebook.com/kilonine/posts/10206808654082950

I’d like to know what Prof. J thinks about the complete lack of actual DISCUSSION occurring on his comment boards b/c of a few vocal bullies?

Donald Trump and his team have upped their game to win the race for the White House by hiring the company that got the Brexit message to millions, resulting in the split of Great Britain from the European Union.

Cambridge Analytica is a marketing film that targets voters (and potential donors) based on their unconscious psychological biases.

The strategic communications company also worked with former GOP candidates Ted Cruz, Ben Carson and the “Leave.EU” campaign in the United Kingdom. According to the Daily Beast, Cambridge Analytica “went after first-time voters and those who felt left out of the political process, the kinds of people that Trump was successful bringing to the polls in primary elections.”

Not that anyone cares but I’m voting against, not for. I’m voting against Clinton with the only possible candidate available that has a chance of winning. I cannot abide the thought of that piece of garbage walking into my White House as president. A vote for anyone besides Trump guarantees a win for that soulless, lying sack of trash.

    DieJustAsHappy in reply to JoAnne. | August 7, 2016 at 12:52 am

    “The ship of Democracy, which has weathered all storms, may sink through the mutiny of those aboard.” ~ Grover Cleveland

    To me not voting is a form of mutiny. So, this is an election when we’re faced with voting for the candidate we dislike the least.

Trump.

The first presidential candidate not from the uniparty since Reagan.

    JYLD in reply to Barry. | August 7, 2016 at 1:31 am

    Here here !

    Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | August 7, 2016 at 1:39 am

    …and the OPPOSITE of Reagan in every important sense.

      JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Ragspierre. | August 7, 2016 at 1:12 pm

      The hump has no “important sense”. He has no principles, no belief in anything, and no long-term goals except his own advancement of wealth and narcissism. He’s too mentally ill to have “principles”. Apples and oranges.

      Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | August 7, 2016 at 9:21 pm

      “and the OPPOSITE of Reagan ”

      While I disagree with your assessment, there have been no republican candidates since Reagan that were even close to Reagan. You voted for all of them anyway, as I did except Romney.

      Had any of them other than the Bushes been elected, the left would continue to make gains, as they did under Bush 1 & 2.

      Hillary will make a fine president for you, keeping your “principles” intact, such as they are…

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | August 8, 2016 at 8:05 am

        You’re typically full of shit, but consistent!

        Hellary won’t make anyone a fine president, and neither would The Great God Cheeto. They would both be awful POTUS.

        And my principles (without scare quotes) remain intact, either way. Yours, however, were flushed down the sewer when you became a cultist.

https://youtu.be/kSE-XoVKaXg

There you go, T-rump suckers. Deal with it…

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/expert-analysis-finds-hillary-clintons-recent-seizures-sign-brain-damage/

Hillary has brain damage from a stroke and fall. Hillary suffers regular brain seizures and it is the anti seizure medication she takes that causes her coughing fits. As her aide Huma Abedin wrote in email Hillary is forgetful. One aide wrote in an email that prior to Benghazi killings Hillary inquired if there were still people at Benghazi. Hillary’s brain damage makes it impossible for her to walk up a flight of stairs without people holding her up on both sides. The press was ordered not to film her going up stairs into airplane and of course the press dutifully complies.

Hillary’s poor health is why she diappears for days at a time from the campaign trail. Her poor brain condition is why she slept through benghazi.

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to JYLD. | August 7, 2016 at 1:14 pm

    Or was it a tarmac crash in Iran right before Kerry was appointed with no mention of Clinton nor a word from Clinton?

http://www.hoover.org/research/are-trump-and-obama-really-different

Well, no. Take away the cheap nationalism (which is NOT patriotism), and you have two very similar people. Very dangerous people if you love our republic.

The results of this poll demonstrate that either 83% of regular LI readers are pro-Trump; or that outside pro-Trump blogs are keen to poll-bomb internet polls.

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