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Media Meme: “I Can Actually See Trump Bailing”

Media Meme: “I Can Actually See Trump Bailing”

Hey, how about for money?

Take this with a good grain of salt, since Donny Deutsch is a Hillary-supporting Dem, but Donny does run in the same New York circles as Donald Trump, and has called him a friend.

Guest co-hosting on With All Due Respect today, Deutsch said “I can actually see Trump bailing. I can’t see us ever getting to the point where election night, Trump becomes George McGovern. He is not going to allow—it’s just not in his system . . . I cannot see him the rest of his life with a big ‘L’ on his face.” Mark Halperin called the notion of Trump dropping out of the race a “Manhattan fantasy.”

Is this isolated good faith speculation, or part of the MSM trying to undermine Trump by speculating that he might drop out of the race?

On today’s Morning Joe, Jon Meacham floated the idea of Trump bailing out, to which Joe Scarborough responded, albeit with a laugh, “if somebody paid him enough money to get out, he’d get out. In fact I know that.”

DONNY DEUTSCH: I actually believe something else is going to start to happen in the next few weeks if things don’t turn around. And I said this awhile ago and I turned around and I’m coming back to it. I can actually see Trump bailing. I can’t see us ever getting to the point where election night, Trump becomes George McGovern. He is not going to allow–it’s just not in his system.

And it’s very interesting. I spoke to a Clinton staffer who said the thing they’re most afraid of, and there is a date, I think it was September 15th where they can’t put somebody else in, is him bailing out and Mitt Romney coming in or somebody. I see him dropping the mic and going, here’s his speech: you know, I’ve got to do what’s best for the country.

MARK HALPERIN: Manhattan fantasy. He’s not going to drop out before the first debate. He thinks he can win it at the first debate.

DONNY: My point is, drop out at some point. I cannot see him the rest of his life with a big ‘L’ on his face.

Do you believe in coincidences?


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There are willing ignoramus’s willing to believe anything…

    Estragon in reply to Barry. | August 16, 2016 at 5:11 am

    . . . which is how Trump got nominated in the first place.

    Hard to believe anyone is stupid enough to actually think we would EVER build a 1900 mile border wall along mostly private lands, cutting off 1200 miles of river access in the process. But enough seem to have bought into his empty promises and braggadocio over perhaps the most qualified field of candidates ever to declare in a single cycle.

      According to your logic the interstate highway system doesn’t exist.
      The Great Wall of China wasn’t build thousands of years ago.
      The Iron Curtain didn’t largely keep the slaves of the Soviet empire contained for 50 years.
      You don’t have to build a continuous wall from California to the gulf coast. The Great Bend of the Rio Grande by itself is a natural deterrent. The purpose is to discourage, not totally prevent.
      You people need to think things through. Not just spout off.

      Barry in reply to Estragon. | August 16, 2016 at 10:40 am

      Hard to believe anyone is stupid enough to believe a country with our wealth cannot control its own border against an invasion.

      Of course, some do not want to control the invasion.
      Thus they pretend a wall is impossible to build.

    Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | August 16, 2016 at 8:26 am

    Or people so ignorant of market economics and reality that they will uncritically let the Great God Cheeto promise to make the valleys of Pennsylvania steel producing regions again, make the moribund mill towns prosperous.

    He could only do that via a command economy, and even then only until the gross market distortions snap back in another terrible reaction, as they always do.

    The man is a positive danger to the republic.

      “Or people so ignorant of market economics and reality ”

      Are you so ignorant that you do not understand the reasons for which business of all types suffer in this country?

      You push this putrid BS that the “only way” is a command economy. Cuz TDS.

      Any manufacturer can give you a long list of how to cure the problems faced, no command economy required.

      High taxes, ridiculous regulations, and unfair trade deals kill manufacturing.

      Government is the problem. Just as it is in everything.

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | August 16, 2016 at 11:55 am

        So, like the OccupyWhatever idiots, you want to INCREASE it.

        T-rump LOVES big government. He’s made it clear. He just will hire better “brights” to tell you what to do.


        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | August 16, 2016 at 2:23 pm

        “High taxes, ridiculous regulations, and unfair trade deals kill manufacturing.”

        “Unfair trade deals” is just T-rumpian blather. Detail what’s “unfair”, Collectivist.

        Now, in REALITY, the reason the mill towns of the Rust Belt are in the toilet is because of union contracts and the stupid management who gave into them.

        I think it was Peter Drucker (management guru) who related the story of touring a steel plant, only to have to step over sleeping union workers on the cat walks.

        You’re an idiot. And either you know it, or you revel in your idiocy.

        And the ONLY way Der Donald is going to bring steel making back to the inefficient mills of Pennsylvania is by ORDERING it by law.

          Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | August 16, 2016 at 5:41 pm

          “You’re an idiot”

          Same old lovely rags.

          Unions are not the problem, government that grants, through law, too much power to the unions are the problem.

          That is part of the problem. There are others, many. None of which require a “command economy” to cure.

          You’re just deranged

    Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | August 16, 2016 at 9:08 am

    Yep. He’s just another Collectivist. As I’ve said for over a year.

    If you doubt that, read the whole thing.

Trump quit in 2000.
It is something he is good at.

Ask Mrs Trump #1, or #2.

    Zachary in reply to Howard Roark. | August 15, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    Whoa! I couldn’t help but read your comment in Ben Shapiro’s voice.

    Well done.

    conservative tarheel in reply to Howard Roark. | August 15, 2016 at 8:49 pm

    Ouch that is gonna leave a mark ….
    I wonder who he will blame … certainly not himself …
    it can’t be conservatives cuz he said he didn’t need
    conservatives to win …
    who will be the fall guy …

I await the expert analysis of Bill Krystal, George Will, Eric Erickson et-al on this.
They never steer you wrong.

Ho hum. I am so over the media this election season.

Donny boy if you want to talk about a loser…. just
look in the mirror buddy!

Donny D is just one more loser in a long line of loser on Morning Joe! Progressive fantasy land. Got to wonder what the DNC/Establishment repugs are paying for this nonsense?

Do you believe in coincidences?

Last week the MJ crew said he wasn’t getting enough sleep and was yelling at people. Two days later the NY Times said the same thing.

This week two shows claim he’s dropping out.

Next week they’ll all the shows on MSNBC claiming they have it on good authority that Trump will endorse Hillary for President at the debates.

wishcasting… he probably whistles when he walks by a cemetery too.

Do you believe in coincidences?

I believe in JournoList. And so, evidently, does the press.

This is all pretty feeble stuff. What they really need is some red-meat material—maybe a video of Trump kicking a dog. Ideally, a “rescue” dog. Or a baby seal.

    The JournoLists first tried a priest, a woman, an intern, an underage girl, and finally a baby, but that strategy backfired when they were caught off-camera sacrificing them for their greater good.

I think it’s interesting to consider, but I can’t see Trump quitting / dropping out unless he can manufacture some “emergency” situation that will allow him to save face.

It’s interesting to me because Trump is such a mix of ego and bravado. On the one hand, it’s hard to imagine him sticking around if it looks like he’ll be routed ala McGovern. That would be hard to explain away as “cheating” and the election being “rigged.” It would also preclude him ever trying again for the presidency (a dream he’s held for some thirty years). It would also be a very real and very public defeat that he wouldn’t be able to hide away like the many failed Trump enterprises (Trump Air, Vodka, Steaks, and on). Granted with his being in the spotlight, some unsavory facts are coming out with regard to his employees’ pay checks bouncing at Trump Magazine, but being absolutely trounced in a presidential election would be a huge blow to his over-inflated ego.

On the other hand, between his narcissism and bravado, it’s hard to imagine him capable of understanding that he can possibly lose in November. He’s already claiming that if the media were on his side, he’d be winning by 20 points. That’s pretty hard to imagine outside the narrow GOP primary for Trump (or perhaps for any Republican with Obama’s numbers shockingly high still). He keeps insisting that doing the same thing that won over the alt-right and various disaffected voters during the primary will keep him on top, and he insists this as all evidence points to the contrary. He simply can’t see that the general election is not the primary, that the voters, likely voters, are different in terms of being less accepting of his brand of “telling it like he sees it.” If he can’t see that, despite the preponderance of evidence, then he likely cannot imagine a scenario in which America rejects him outright, a scenario that doesn’t involve widespread “cheating” anyway.

That he’s already signalling a willingness to lose and go on to his very very wonderful life while simultaneously setting up the media as the reason for his failure is a strong indication that he does see that he’s not doing well (he just can’t accept that he’s the reason for that). He may even wake up one morning, announce to the world that he’s too busy and important to continue running for an office that the media will never let him win and that he’s off to enjoy his life. He’s mercurial like that, and he’s well-known to have the attention span of a flea. Once the going gets tough, there’s no reason to believe Trump will do more than move on to some other shiny objective.

But who knows? I wouldn’t be surprise if he announced tomorrow that he’s out and moving on to some super important project that needs his full attention, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he sticks it out, gets routed, and blames the media and “bad” polls. Either way, though, he’s not going to look good; he’ll look flighty, unserious, and weak in the one case and stubborn, unreasonable, and egotistical in the other (except maybe to his more devoted fans).

Anyway, I find the question interesting mostly because Trump’s lack of character makes either option possible.

    DieJustAsHappy in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 15, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    Although, come Election Day, I would pull the lever for Trump, I dismayed that he continues to let his supporters, or at lest some of them, dangle. As I’ve expressed elsewhere, I would like to see him withdraw and Mike Pence become the Presidential candidate.

    Trump has managed, yes with assistance from the MSM, to make the focus of the election about himself. I’ve tried, time and again, to give him the benefit of doubt. Time and again it hasn’t been rewarded. At one point, I though he might be playing the media. However, I no longer entertain this notion.

    Given the circumstance of the republic, it’s difficult to view him as the one to help lead us out of the current morass. Moreover, the more lengthy, complex explanations that have to be given in support for a candidate the less likely there will be an appeal to the general electorate.

    I agree with you that either option is possible, although without the substantive turnaround I’ve been looking for, I hope, for the good of the country, he withdraws.

      It’s not clear that Trump is capable of putting the good of the country above his own self interest. But who knows, he may surprise us and do just that.

        DieJustAsHappy in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 15, 2016 at 11:34 pm

        I had hoped that as he assembled a team and with the aid of family members they would have a moderating impact upon him. Inasmuch as this hasn’t happened, and there appears no satisfactory resolution is on the horizon, I’ll continue to hope for the best while preparing for the worst.

          The trouble with the Trump moderating theory is that even if he could somehow manage to control himself in public for the next few months, he’s still the same immature, thin-skinned, reactionary hot head. I’ve shared before my thoughts about Trump based on his “feud” with Rosie O’Donnell. Who, in their right mind, cares one whit what someone like Rosie O’Donnell says? Donald Trump, that’s who. He was on television, on Twitter, engaging in the most base, most crude “flame war” with a nobody has-been. It was not only unseemly. It showed him to have serious personality flaws that make him ill-suited to the highest office in the land. Since then, he’s taken to Twitter to fight with Heidi Klum about her looks (he claims she’s not a “10”) and since his candidacy with just about everyone else. The fact that his supporters among the GOPe think it’s comforting that as president they’ll take away his Twitter account access is more than telling. What does all of this suggest about his ability to cope with world leaders? Heck, he doesn’t even know how hard he was played by the media during the primaries. He’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer . . . no matter what he says.

          DieJustAsHappy in reply to DieJustAsHappy. | August 16, 2016 at 9:08 am

          Fuzzy Slippers,

          Yes, that was an absurd incident. It is one I had forgotten. Foolish and an embarrassment. Imagine what Trump’s version of Obama’s “beer summit” might be.

    My prediction in comment #1 is true apparently.

      LOL, Barry. I enjoy thinking about things like this (and why Democrats continue to vote Democrat, and on and on). Intellectual curiosity and engagement keep me young. Ish.

        Curiosity killed the cat 🙂

        The “media” is doing what it always does. Being fooled is not an intellectual exercise.

          Barry, what am I being “fooled” by in my comment? I said I found the question interesting and then explained why I thought it interesting.

          It’s not like this is an invention pulled out of the ether by the media, after all. The media didn’t make Trump say that if he loses it’s because of the media, nor did the media make Trump say that he’d be up 20 points if only the meany pants media was nicer to him. The media didn’t make Trump say that if he loses it’ll be because the election is “rigged” or that there’s been “cheating.” The media didn’t make Trump state that if he loses, he’ll go on a “nice long vacation” or that he’ll go back to his “very good way of life.”

          If Trump is already thinking he’ll lose, it’s hardly surprising that others are thinking about that, too.

          I think it’s admirable that you are so loyal to Trump, but loyalty doesn’t entail turning a deaf ear and blind eye to your hero’s own words. Or does it?

          Fuzzy :
          A fellow fighter in the trenches with me for the last 8 years figures Trump will need an 8 to 10% cushion to counter the cheating both she & I know will happen. She knows from experience party first republicans rig the process. She was at the Colorado republican convention at the Broadmoor that was rigged. She was the most successful Pueblo county republican chair in real results & was driven out by state party forces because she wouldn’t go along with party corruption. She’s paid a very heavy price for standing up for what’s right.

          Now that’s your cue to trash & dismiss her. It’s what all you #never T-rumpers do. You’ve never done a damn thing effective to resist the reality of what we’re fighting. But you’re first in line to tell us we’re wrong & what we’re doing & the battle we’ve fought is a waste of time.

          If Clinton does win all of you own her.

          Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | August 16, 2016 at 8:47 am

          Nope. It WILL be YOU, who hates conservatives and our ideas.

          “Not my circus…not my monkey…”

          Becky Mizel Pueblo on bing. Probably google also. She’s a true soldier in the battle.
          What you will find is only a few instances of her longtime resistance.
          You never #T-rumpers are mere cowards, quislings, & Clinton collaborator’s. True useful idiots.
          So I encourage all you parrots of Ragsdale I. M. A. Dumbass Esq. to stay true to your master.. He’s got the straight skinny. He’s got your back.

          Barry in reply to Barry. | August 16, 2016 at 10:58 am

          “Barry, what am I being “fooled” by in my comment? ”

          Fuzzy, I could go back in the time machine and give you the facts about the media and their 100% opposition to any candidate not a socialist.

          They create the “meme”, always a lie. Some people always “buy” it. It appears that you do do willingly.

          You can oppose Trump without believing every rabid left wing “news” item being pushed.

          We have a candidate that is truly evil, corrupt, incompetent, unfit. Her name ain’t Trump. You spend all your time on the wrong person.

          You’re kidding, right? Setting aside the fact that Trump, after winning the nomination, was still whining about Ted Cruz and Kasich (vowing to make sure they both lose their elections (not even this year, mind) and has yet to bother running against Hillary, this post is about speculation regarding whether or not Trump will quit.

          He just might. I wondered it when he first started acting like a whiny crybaby as he realized his shtick wasn’t working beyond his existing, limited, mostly alt right base. When I heard the, oh if I lose it won’t matter because I’ll just go back to my great life, well, yeah. He’s showing doubt, lashing out at all the wrong targets and basically making an ass of himself. Could I see him quitting? Yep. I can also see him staying in, losing to Hillary by miles, and trying to sue everyone in sight while pushing Trumpbot buttons about how he was cheated and everyone has to pay.

          I am not sure what “lie” you reference. It’s just speculation based on his own words, life-long temperament, and bizarre behavior since the RNC. Not unlike Trump fans bleating about Hillary having Parkinson’s or dementia or whatever.

          The more he focuses on the media, Cruz, whatever shiny thing captures his attention, the less HE is focused on Hillary. In fact, his fans are focused on #NeverTrumpers they will never be able to bully and harass onto the Trump train. Your time would be much better spent selling your orange godlet to people who might actually vote for him.

          It seems, though, that Trump fans prefer to thrash around alienating everyone who hasn’t pledged their allegiance to the Great Cheeto. Apparently unaware that people who were once willing to support Trump are disgusted with his drama queen nonsense and shocking lack of either self control or common decency. Trump’s numbers are falling because of him. People are changing their minds about him because of him. Just him.

          Barry in reply to Barry. | August 16, 2016 at 5:48 pm

          “this post is about speculation regarding whether or not Trump will quit. ”

          No, the post is about how the media creates its falsehood and some people fall for it.

          Media Meme: “I Can Actually See Trump Bailing”

          Mind bogling.

          You seem to think that the word “meme” means “lie” or “falsehood.” No wonder you feel mind boggled.

    For some reason I have no difficulty imagining him manufacturing a controversy. A passive-aggressive fellow like him is good at that.

    PhillyGuy in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | August 17, 2016 at 1:55 am

    You actually took the time to type that nonsense. Well I had a good laugh at any rate.

Is this isolated good faith speculation….

From the MSM? Oh, you are so funny.

It is a tacit admission that only Trump can stop Trump now. they see Dante’s writing on the wall “Cease all hope ye who enter here” at the gates of hell. They can’t pray for deliverance tyrant Trump because they don’t know how to pray or who to pray to.

Media is terrified. They know Trump is going to win.

This is not a new speculation, to be sure. It’s been out there for at least a month. A new speculation is that the campaign put him on mess.

Henry Hawkins | August 16, 2016 at 11:33 am

Media is conspicuously biased, a cloth woven with threads of various not-so-well hidden agenda, and increasingly irrelevant to informed voters.

Trump is a one trick pony. It worked during the primaries. It’s failing in the general – against the worst and weakest Democrat candidate in decades.

The answer to Trump’s problems is always a change in somebody else’s behavior, he being incapable of error. Forty percent of GOP primary voters bought in, but they make up a decidedly small portion of the general electorate.

Where have you gone, Joe Dimaggio? A nation turns its lonely eyes to you….

They are the ones being paid to trash Trump every day in every way, mostly with lies repeated over and over. It seems the reason is that they have nothing of any substance to smear him with. They keep hammering him with his tax returns but he just ignores them and the meme is wearing very thin.The IRS could quickly complete their audit and clear him to provide his taxes but that would mean giving him an IRS approval. Hillary has tons of secrets and destroyed evidence plus pending criminal investigations.