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#StopTrump tactic – Cruz to focus on Indiana, Kasich on Oregon and New Mexico

#StopTrump tactic – Cruz to focus on Indiana, Kasich on Oregon and New Mexico

Whatever it takes to keep Trump from 1237

http://www.ktvz.com/news/politics/cruz-super-pac-returns-to-kasich-attack/39172670

I don’t know if this is coordinated [update – yes it is, see below], or just Ted Cruz doing what he thinks is best to keep Trump from 1237 delegates, but it’s the BREAKING NEWS of tonight:

Kasich has been taking delegates in more liberal states from Trump. So contrary to the one-on-one theory, it may be better to have both Kasich and Cruz in the race dividing up responsibilties. It’s a recognition that failure — since the beginnig of the primary season — to coordinate against Trump may result in Trump’s plurality of votes resulting in a majority of delegates because it turns out the system is “rigged” in Trump’s favor.

UPDATES:

The campaigns apparently have coordinated the effort.

Does this mean a possible “unity ticket” at the convention to Stop Trump? Hard to see that, since neither Kasich nor Cruz seems like a person to take the second spot.

They each think they have a path to victory on the second or third or fourth ballots at the convention, but they don’t get to that unless they stop Trump on the first ballot.

MORE:

This may be a very rational move by Cruz, since Kasich was not getting out:

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If kasich does not focus on OR and NM then we’ll know for sure that he’s in the tank for Donald Trump.

    Matt_SE in reply to Ulises. | April 24, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    Another savvy move for Cruz, since this calls Kasich on his intentions. He either acts as he professes, or everybody will know he’s a shill.

    Estragon in reply to Ulises. | April 25, 2016 at 6:35 am

    Only those who know nothing of Kasich are foolish enough to believe he would help Trump.

      Barry in reply to Estragon. | April 25, 2016 at 10:24 am

      FIFY

      Only those who know nothing of Kasich are foolish enough to believe he would help Trump ever had a snowballs chance in hell.

      So, estragone, Kasich is your man? Or still hoping for a bush/ryan ticket to come out of the convention?

P.S. Trump is a clown.

I think someone needs to adjust Kasich’s meds. I want him to just get out of the race.

Is this decision going to mean that a Cruz win means that Kasich gets some sort of cabinet post? GAH!

    Matt_SE in reply to MathMom. | April 24, 2016 at 10:50 pm

    At this point, I could live with that. Sacrifices must be made. I could even put up with a Kasich VP if it wouldn’t hurt in the general election.

      MathMom in reply to Matt_SE. | April 25, 2016 at 7:27 am

      I don’t want him anywhere near the VP slot. Carly? She hits Hillary, and hard. And, since she’s a girl, Hillary can’t claim sexism. I’m hoping Cruz is thinking about her for that slot.

      Kasich just rubs me the wrong way, every time I see him. I watch, because the stakes are so high in this election. But it hurts to watch.

        Matt_SE in reply to MathMom. | April 25, 2016 at 9:56 am

        A VP with real power and influence is the exception. Most times, it’s where you put people to get them out of the spotlight. For example, Joe Biden.

So Cruz/Kasich perhaps? One to sooth the establishment Republicans and one to be the ‘edgy outsider’ perhaps?

    fwiffo in reply to georgfelis. | April 25, 2016 at 1:41 am

    Reagan picked Bush as VP; not because Bush was really someone who was a Reaganite, but because Bush shored up the votes that Reagan didn’t appeal to. That is what VP is these days, someone to bring in a different block of voters.

    If Bush was good enough VP for Reagan, I figure Kasich is good enough VP for Cruz.

This post has been up almost an hour, I’m shocked the Trumpaloos aren’t here howling at the moon already.

This is like pouring gasoline on a fire. These two clowns are JV. Cruz the “poser” and insider who has fooled you rubes into believing he is an “outsider”…priceless.

    Valerie in reply to Walter. | April 24, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    Ya, of course this is a place for rubes to congregate. Got any other great insights to help you win friends and influence people?

    Matt_SE in reply to Walter. | April 24, 2016 at 10:53 pm

    -Trump supports transgendereds in women’s restrooms; of course the real problem is opening the door for perverts and pedophiles.
    -Trump will raise taxes “on the rich.”
    -Trump will engage in trade wars and economic protectionism.
    -Trump supports touchback amnesty.

    Trump is a Democrat, in the same mold as Bloomberg. Next up come the nanny state bannings.

    Paul in reply to Walter. | April 24, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    Wow, the ‘JV’ cut down. Who does that sound like?

    Sanddog in reply to Walter. | April 25, 2016 at 12:20 am

    It’s how the game is played, dear. Or did you expect them to hand the nomination to Trump because a few of his supporters are unhinged and ignorant?

    It’s official! Trump Brand Kool-Aid is now on the shelves!

    Trump Brand Kool-Aid has a sugary rancorous taste and requires 1,000,000:1 media dilution before you can drink it.

    Drink at your own risk!

filiusdextris | April 25, 2016 at 12:16 am

It’s amazing that Trump can make Kasich sound like a savior, but hey, I’ll take it. This is a cool compromise and I hope it works. Trump will somewhat-rightly lambaste it (for “fairness” and as a motivational strategy), but he deserves to lose all the votes he weaseled by pretending to be conservative or even republican, so I have no sympathy.

Hmmm… Nothing about my state (Maryland). It is a blue state, so Trump is leading. But that also means Kasich could take delegates away from Trump, since he does relatively well in blue states.

As much as I would love to vote for only remaining person who I would love to see as POTUS, I might go Kasich and hope he takes some delegates away from Trump.

Primary is in 1 day, what to do, what to do?

    filiusdextris in reply to fwiffo. | April 25, 2016 at 1:01 am

    In 2008, my parents-in-law, living in Rhode Island at the time, registered for the first time in their lives as Democrats in order to vote for Hillary. At all costs, they were trying to avoid an Obama presidency they felt would be a disaster. They thought Hillary was more power/prestige driven and therefore less ideological and more able to compromise, ultimately safer. After 8 years of Obama, I think they were right, but I guess Hillary may get a chance to prove them wrong.

    Stop Trump.

    Barry in reply to fwiffo. | April 25, 2016 at 1:15 am

    “Primary is in 1 day, what to do, what to do?”

    Cry. That’s what the rest of the stoptrump crowd is doing.

LOL, it’s all over but the cryin…

lot’s of tears on the way. Crybabies.

Cruz/Kasich – they do have one thing in common, they both are loosers this election cycle.

    filiusdextris in reply to Barry. | April 25, 2016 at 1:14 am

    It’s not crying to want to follow one’s conscience to the end. I’ll be the first to applaud if Trump turns out to be a fine president, as determined by my conservative opinions which he supposedly embraces. For many reasons, I doubt it. I also highly doubt he’ll come close to an election win if he indeed wins the primary. Nevertheless, I’d rather my preferred candidate fight tooth and nail to the finish, than give up now. Would you prefer something different if roles were reversed? If not, why call your fellow commenters “crybabies” (unless you are a bad person, and then that would make sense)?

    To be a positive role model on this (conservative) site, help us understand why Trump is such a good conservative, or if he is not, why we should prefer him over Cruz or even Kasich?

      ” If not, why call your fellow commenters “crybabies” (unless you are a bad person, and then that would make sense)?”

      Mainly because you are all, many anyway, crybabies. Possibly I’m just a bad person of course. After all, I prefer trump to cruz.

      OTOH, I don’t recall your name, filiusdextris, so perhaps your not one of the crybabies, but there are plenty around.

        malclave in reply to Barry. | April 25, 2016 at 1:50 am

        Possibly I’m just a bad person of course

        At last, something we can agree on.

        conservative tarheel in reply to Barry. | April 25, 2016 at 10:00 am

        please note Barry didn’t answer the question .

        quote
        To be a positive role model on this (conservative) site, help us understand why Trump is such a good conservative, or if he is not, why we should prefer him over Cruz or even Kasich? unquote.

          “please note Barry didn’t answer the question .”

          No, no point. Mindless robotic individuals are like the 3 monkeys. You’ve been telling trump supporters how stupid they are for months, no need to harm your illegitimate perceptions that make you feel better about yourself.

          I’m such a kind person.

      here’s an example from “Paul”:

      “This post has been up almost an hour, I’m shocked the Trumpaloos aren’t here howling at the moon already.”

      Poor Paul. No opposition to the cruz cult can be tolerated. It’s just so unfair.

    MathMom in reply to Barry. | April 25, 2016 at 7:36 am

    If Trump was not a celebrity, he would have had to pay big bucks for all the air time he’s getting. He is not so much successful as he is well-known. So, when he wins, it’s not necessarily because he is a great candidate. He’s ahead because he was running against 17 others, who had to buy face time with campaign contributions.

    I think that means he is being unfair(!) to all the other candidates!!! He also has a higher percentage of delegates than the percentage of votes, which is unfair!!! Will he do the fair thing, and quit taking more delegates than he earns? Isn’t this a democracy? (no…) Isn’t voting supposed to count?

    /sarc

    spartan in reply to Barry. | April 25, 2016 at 8:21 am

    You probably said the same thing just before Michigan punted against Michigan State last year.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqv48MwEbaQ

Let me point out that while the primaries were indeed rigged, they were not rigged for Trump. They were rigged for a GOPe candidate who quickly quickly became Jeb! .

Trump came in and blew up Jeb! . The rest of the GOPe slit the vote the way the antiJeb! were supposed to do, while the majority of the antiGOPe voters coalesed aropund Trump, making the system that was supposed to keep out a Trump actually work for Trump.

So Cruz and Kasich agreed to trade second and third place in a couple of states. This will accomplish what exactly?

Why is Kasich getting any votes? Its not like he’s running on some specific platform or principle. Is it just people that can’t stand Trump or Cruz? I can’t imagine Kasich is going to hold up his end and carry both Oregon and New Mexico.

    Barry in reply to tyates. | April 25, 2016 at 1:43 am

    Simple enough. When you are getting beat this badly, and the end is near, you throw it all in and hope something changes. No real chance, but there is no chance anyway, so try something else. Maybe you’ll get lucky.

    They never understood this race. Still don’t.

    tom swift in reply to tyates. | April 25, 2016 at 2:36 am

    Well, if we skip the usual uninformative LI shtick and just take it as given that Trump is a poopie-head and all his supporters have pinecones for brains, there does seem to be a mildly sensible mathematical plan behind the Cruz-Kasich Pact of Steel.

    Oregon (28 delegates) and New Mexico (24) both award delegates proportionately. So the anti-Trump vote will be split between Cruz and Kasich. The pro-Trump vote won’t be affected no matter how the anti-Trump vote splits.

    But Indiana is a weird schizo state, with 30 delegates given to the state winner, and 27 more given to the winners of 9 districts. So … if either Kasich or Cruz can manage to win the state, Trump won’t get the block of 30 delegates. Ditto for the districts; the winner in each district gets all the district’s delegates. The reasoning seems to be that with Kasich and Cruz splitting the anti-Trump vote, neither is likely to beat Trump anywhere, so Trump will almost certainly get all 57 delegates. But, if Kasich lies low, Cruz should clean up the anti-Trump vote, and might win some districts or even the State, thus denying all those delegates to Trump.

    The Indiana polls (if you put any weight on such things) show Cruz right now at about 19%, and Kasich at about 15%. If Kasich soaked up 0% of the anti-Trump vote, Cruz could conceivably get 34%, which is within striking distance of Trump’s 37%.

    Well, at least it’s a plan. Better than nothing, I suppose, at least for an anti-Trumpeteer.

    It’s hard to believe that a federal American election could actually hinge on such silly poncing-about, but there it is.

    Matt_SE in reply to tyates. | April 25, 2016 at 10:06 am

    Trump has been negative against everyone for months, but his core supporters won’t turn on him no matter what he says. Contrast that to Rubio, for example, who drove Trump’s numbers down at the expense of his own.
    So Trump has poisoned the well (that will come back in the general), and low-info voters turn to the one guy who hasn’t been attacked because he’s either no threat or helps split the vote for Trump.

      Barry in reply to Matt_SE. | April 25, 2016 at 10:12 am

      “Contrast that to Rubio, for example, who drove Trump’s numbers down at the expense of his own.”

      You really do live in LaLa land. Trump won Florida, rubio’s home state, in a landslide. Some down driving of the numbers there.

Meh… I don’t want Trump as the nominee, but this coordination leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Cthulhu 2016
Why Settle For A Lesser Evil?

DouglasJBender | April 25, 2016 at 3:43 am

I’m kind of hoping that Donald Trump becomes President. Who wouldn’t want “Trump Steaks”, “Trump Vodka”, and “Trump University” revived?

saddy sad saddy sad

Why shouldn’t Kasich campaign in OH? He has a chance of outpolling Cruz there.

Charles Koch has said it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing to have another Clinton in the White House.
I’d guess most of you would be ok with that given the context he said it from.

It is possible that Donald Trump supporters are not pulling out their hair, or crying into their beer (or Jameson) or anything like that. I have a feeling that many of them are smiling, because this is good news in a way. Donald Trump has an uncanny ability to turn lemons into lemonade, and this latest act of desperation is a perfect example. #nevertrump has simply and very publicly morphed into #nevervoters. Like. It. Or. Not. Again, time will tell, one way or the other.

I am not sure this is a strategy that will work. It is based on the assumption that voters who do not support Trump will vote for the designated “not Trump” candidate in their state as the Cruz/Kasich campaigns promote. I believe there are voters that sincerely believe they should vote for the candidate of their choice – not necessarily who a campaign says they should vote for in the election. Since Cruz and Kasich are both on the ballot I think their supporters will still vote for their preferred candidate. I don’t think there is a lot of trust between those two candidates campaigns and there may be a whisper campaign from Kasich supporters that says ” if we can beat Cruz in Indiana even through we “publically” says vote for him we will be in a better position. One other consideration is that it is an open primary and Trump is more likely to draw non-republicans to vote for him.

I would be interested in knowing how many of the commenters in their state election voted for a candidate versus against a candidate.

So, when they fail to stop Trump they will do the appropriate thing and both bow out of the race?

Shorter version of this story:

Cruz admits he is just regional candidate with limited national appeal who has no chance to win nomination based on support from VOTERS. Cruz shows his contempt for voters and the ballot box by engaging in election slight of hand corruption with Kasich, to try and rig the vote in Indiana.

And all the Cruzbots shout “praise be the Cruz because he is a man of principles and ethics unparalleled in the universe”.

    Nice try, Brittle

    Shorter version of this story: Ted Cruz IS The Art of the Deal.

    Trump is floundering under the weight of his own words.

    spartan in reply to Gary Britt. | April 25, 2016 at 10:38 am

    You obviously have missed the head-to-head state polls between Trump and Hillary in blue states:

    In MI, Trump is -8.6 against Hillary in the RCP average. The last 3 polls have Hillary up double digits (-10, -11, -16) against Trump.
    Cruz is -8 against Hillary. and the last 3 polls have Cruz at -5, -7, and -10.

    I am sure Trump plays real well in TX. You would think with those mega-preachers for Trump, he would have done much better.

Trump is a PC sellout.

Let’s be honest, they tried this “tactic” before, and it failed miserably. Does anyone think that it will really work this time around?

It sounds like wishful thinking only. Trump has proven to be a formidable opponent, and the GOPe just wasn’t ready for him.

RI – 2016 GOP Presidential Primary: Donald Trump 61% – John Kasich 23% – Ted Cruz 13% – (PPP 04/25/2016)
John Kasich
Donald Trump

Source: PPP

Method: Mixed

Date: 04/22/2016 – 04/24/2016

Voters: 511 (Likely voters)

Margin of Error: 4.3 %

Full Result:

Trump 61%
Kasich 23%
Cruz 13%

CT – 2016 GOP Presidential Primary: Donald Trump 59% – John Kasich 25% – Ted Cruz 13% – (PPP 04/25/2016)
John Kasich
Donald Trump

Source: PPP

Method: Mixed

Date: 04/22/2016 – 04/24/2016

Voters: 512 (Registered voters)

Margin of Error: 4.3 %

Full Result:

Trump 59%
Kasich 25%
Cruz 13%

So, let’s say that Cruz and Kasich team up and keep Trump from getting 1237 and being nominated. This results in a contested, or possibly even brokered convention. What happens then? The Cruz supporters all are convinced that Cruz will saunter into the nomination based upon the number of delegates who are reputedly his supporters. But, most of these people are hard core party members. If the party leadership tells them to vote for Kasich, will they really hold for Cruz? Or will we end up with another Republican nominee in the mold of John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Bob Dole? After all, the Republican establishment does not want either Trump OR Cruz. Does anyone suspect that there is a reason why John Kasich may still be in the race, other than as a Trump spoiler? After all, being the quintessential establishment candidate, he is more likely to draw votes away from Cruz than from Trump, in the primaries. So, if the object is to install Cruz as the nominee, why have Kasich in the race at all?

But, I really don’t think it matters now. In order to deny Trump the nomination, at the convention, the Republican leadership is going to have to do something which will drive all of the Trump supporters away from the polls and hand the WH, and possibly Congress, to the Dems. When that happens, they will blame Trump, of course. But. we’ll have to wait and see if they are willing to nuke the party simply to keep Trump from office.

Veteran charity money shenanigans, of course. Short version: the Trump campaign reportedly collected six million bucks for veterans’ groups; only, nobody’s been able to trace more than half of that money being distributed, and it’s like three months later. The Daily Beast reports that New Hampshire state rep Al Baldasaro, Donald Trump’s campaign adviser for veteran’s affairs, doesn’t know and doesn’t care what happened to about the three million or so in missing charitable contributions. The exact quote is “I could ask, but it’s not high on my priority list.”

…Man, Trump can just pick ’em, huh? Normally you’d see more of a sense of self-preservation in a state representative*. When you’ve inserted yourself into a publicity event – delivering over-sized checks to veterans’ groups, forsooth! – to the extent that Baldasaro has then you’d better be prepared to answer questions like “So, where’s the rest of the money?” and “When are the veterans’ groups getting the rest of that money?” and “No, seriously, where’s the rest of the money?” Because this is a really easy story to tell. It practically writes itself: Veterans’ charity money is MIA! Who’s to blame? …Who, indeed?

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2016/04/22/donald-trump-charity-veterans-scam/

Wanna tell us the one about the Miraculous Maven Of Management again…???

“Cuz that one NEVER gets old…!!!

    Yawn…. When the cruzbots have nothing to talk about. They just make things up. It seems once every few weeks they try and re-push these lies and poor babies can’t get anyone to bite on their non story.

      Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | April 25, 2016 at 11:10 am

      Where is there any lie?

      You know you are lying, and we all know WHY you are lying.

      Why do you even try this crap, Gaghdad Bob?

        Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | April 25, 2016 at 11:30 am

        “Where is there any lie?”

        Your very typical half truth lie.
        1. you don’t know how much has been distributed. there are 2-3 organizations that have not disclosed what they received.

        2. you are known to spread half truths in order to lie, when you know full well the whole answer.

        It’s possible all the funds have yet to be distributed, but you don’t know that. just your typical smear.

          Rags also doesn’t know how much money was actually received. We only know what was pledged. What is actually received and when is ALWAYS different from what is pledged.

          Either Rags is too stupid to know this or he does know this and is attempting to perpetrate a FRAUD on the readers here. Like he always does.

      Don’t YOU want to know where that money went? Don’t YOU care about veterans?

      Oh, yeah. You CARE about a WALL.

      Any story that doesn’t contain verified numbers for actual cash received and actual cash disbursed is just bullcrap speculation and spin. All charities have to file reports with state and federal governments showing these numbers and they are subject to government audit.

      These stories are just cruzbots telling lies and the public sees them for what they are which is why they never catch on.

        Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | April 25, 2016 at 11:41 am

        Veteran charity money shenanigans, of course. Short version: the Trump campaign reportedly collected six million bucks for veterans’ groups; only, nobody’s been able to trace more than half of that money being distributed, and it’s like three months later. The Daily Beast reports that New Hampshire state rep Al Baldasaro, Donald Trump’s campaign adviser for veteran’s affairs, doesn’t know and doesn’t care what happened to about the three million or so in missing charitable contributions. The exact quote is “I could ask, but it’s not high on my priority list.”

        Now, according to H&R Blockhead “CPA” lying Gaghdad Bob Britt, any reporting on the story HAS to have hard numbers.

        Where do you get hard numbers? Errrrmmmm… Not from the T-rump people THREE MONTHS AFTER THE EVENT. So you DON’T get hard numbers.

        As a member of the ACFE (Assoc. Of Certified Fraud Examiners [I am not certified]) I know that ONE of the “badges of fraud” is missing information when you know information is SUPPOSED to be present.

          Maybe the donated dollars went to pay for Trump U legal fees. Who knows?

          What we do know is that the donated buck stopped with the Donald.

          Maybe the Donald is now claiming eminent domain over the donations.

          Rags: “the Trump campaign reportedly collected six million bucks ”

          That is a lie. They had 6 million PLEDGED.

          Anybody so stupid they don’t know the difference between PLEDGED donations and actual cash received donations should be quite and stop putting their ignorance on public display for the world to see.

          A member but not certified fraud examiner. So in other words you sent them a check and they sent you a membership card and secret decoder ring. No wonder you aren’t certified. You don’t know the difference between pledged donations and actual cash received donations. Or if you do know the difference then you are attempting to perpetrate a FRAUD on readers.

          Just as stupid as the FRAUDSTER morons at redstate.com.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | April 25, 2016 at 1:09 pm

          “Anybody so stupid they don’t know the difference between PLEDGED donations and actual cash received donations should be quite and stop putting their ignorance on public display for the world to see.”

          I should be “quite” because there is no accounting coming from the T-rump “charity”?

          I dunn’t think so, Luuuucy.

          You are a lying SOS. You know it. You work at it, and you do it every day.

          Exposed in your lies and Fraud on readers here your reaction is just like Cruz when he is caught telling lies. Stomp your feet and redirect.

          I would send that fraud examiner decoder ring back, because it is so stupid it doesn’t know the difference between PLEDGED donations and actual cash received donations.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | April 25, 2016 at 1:49 pm

          H&R Blockhead…

          where’s the ACCOUNTING from the T-rump “charity”?

          where’s there ANY evidence of concern from the T-rump “charity” regarding accountability?

          how much of the “paid out” portion is comprised of “comped” golf games at T-rump golf clubs?

          You lying SOS.

          Put your decoder ring on and explain to us how a comped golf round would be booked on the charities books and records so that it would count as an expenditure by the charity. What would the accounting entries, the debits and the credits. Assume the round of golf is worth $500.

          LOL

          And remember when you do this that the charity doesn’t own any golf courses.

          You are just a lying fraud making up crap and bullshit for consumption by the few morons left who pay any attention to anything you write.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | April 25, 2016 at 3:58 pm

          H&R Blockhead…

          where’s the ACCOUNTING from the T-rump “charity”?

          where’s there ANY evidence of concern from the T-rump “charity” regarding accountability?

          how much of the “paid out” portion is comprised of “comped” golf games at T-rump golf clubs?

          You lying SOS.

          Are you saying that T-rump has NOT accounted for comped rounds of golf at his clubs as “charity” contributions?

          Just to make it clear, lying SOS.

I wouldn’t want to be at a TedHead election results party tomorrow. That’s for sure. First week in May is not looking so hot either

Early appearances are this move by Cruz abd Kasich will backfire on them badly.

Kasich at press availability in PA was peppered with questions about collusion with Cruz. All of which questions implied that the deal between Cruz and Kasich is unseemly, crooked, and doesnt pass the smell test. If this is how all media continues to report this illicit deal it will hurt both Cruz and Kasich everywhere. Could become final nail in their coffins.

Reporters now peppering Cruz with Collusion questions ! Cruz completely ducking questions and giving typical politician answers.

Cruz does not come across as honest and forthright. And tells many outright lies too easily and with straight face.

Reporters are saying this collusion is crooked and slimy and wreaks of desperation and Cruz is standing there claiming he’s winning and has been winning all along.

The end is near I suspect.

    Walter in reply to Gary Britt. | April 25, 2016 at 11:42 am

    This what I meant in previous post and “pouring gasoline on a fire”. The “collusion” is going to be seen as between these two and GOPe and that is only going to fuel the Trump fervor. This captured the news cycle for 12 hours ( on a Sunday night) and now it goes downhill from there.

It’s a bit early, but let me go ahead and offer you Kasich fans a hanky for tomorrow.

You cruzers can have one as well. I’ll get an extra large for you.

I think this collusion with the establishment is going to destroy any remaining outsider attraction that Cruz had.
Latest polls (4/25 from RCP):
>Pennsylvania: Trump 51, Cruz 25, Kasich 22
>Connecticut: Trump 59, Kasich 25, Cruz 13
>Rhode Island: Trump 61, Kasich 23, Cruz 13

    Ragspierre in reply to Demosthenes. | April 25, 2016 at 2:06 pm

    …or…

    EXACTLY the support you’d expect from the Collectivist NE for a Collectivist puke.

    And NONE of those states will be T-rump states in a general.

      Or…

      Cruz as a regional candidate who is unable to garner support in large swaths of the USA is polling in last place as would be expected. Losing badly to a second place finisher who has 1 win out of 41 elections to date.

        Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | April 25, 2016 at 3:41 pm

        What “region” are you lying about, T-rump sucking lying SOS?

        NO conservative will poll well in the Collectivist NE, any more than they’d poll well in your chosen home of Collectivist Austin.

        Would they, lying SOS?

          True national candidates do well in the northeast primaries and the south. Ask Reagan, Bush, Romney, and McCain all did well in northeast and south during primaries but not Cruz because he is not a national candidate.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | April 25, 2016 at 4:13 pm

          Links, liar.

          Not going back to Reagan, because that was a VERY different time.

          Recent links. Showing that ANY conservative polled well in the NE.

          You lying SOS.

I wonder how the people of Indiana, NM and Oregon feel about cynical politicians using them this way.

As many people who do not vote for Trump, even more do not want Cruz and Kasich.

As much as Trump will supposedly help the Democrats will win, Cruz and Kasich will ensure that result.

Many say that Trump supporters are dupes, but who are the actual dupes in this story?

Conservatives Unite for Cruz & Kasich!

http://i.imgur.com/6qNrS5a.png

Trump on Kasich and Cruz collusionç

In business and the stock market if you engage in collusion you go to jail, but in our rigged and crooked primary system collusion (and delegate bribes and payoffs) is perfectly ok.

Trump called the collusion deal weak and pathetic.

And here is prediction. Kasich has to perform first by giving up on Indiana. Then later it will be Cruz’s turn to perform by giving up on New Mexico and Oregon. But after Indiana votes Cruz will dishonor his promise and campaign in Oregon and New Mexico either directly or through his super pacs because that is just tbe kind of slimy liar lawyer Cruz is.

    Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | April 25, 2016 at 3:45 pm

    “In business and the stock market if you engage in collusion you go to jail, but in our rigged and crooked primary system collusion (and delegate bribes and payoffs) is perfectly ok.”

    Donelle T-rump thinks that whining and lying are strategic moves.

    He’s right, of course. Some idiots LOVE lying and whining. It’s just who they are.

    Right, LYING SOS…???

    Like he reneged in Maine.

    “The “unity ticket” of candidates, which the Trump and Kasich campaigns agreed to, would have assured that delegate slots went to supporters of each candidate on a proportional basis–in other words, to correspond with the candidates’ levels of support in the Maine caucuses back in March. That would have allocated 12 to Cruz, 9 to Trump and 2 to Kasich.”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/maine-gov-lepage-ted-cruzs-campaign-hooligans-reneged-on-delegate-promise/

      Ragspierre in reply to oldschooltwentysix. | April 25, 2016 at 4:04 pm

      Oh. OK. You’re going with the word of a T-rump endorsing GOPe crapweasel.

      Gotcha.

        Kasich people said it, too.

        “According to aides from both the Kasich and the Trump camps at the convention, all three campaigns had mutually agreed to a slate of delegates — called a “unity ticket” — with the help of LePage and state party officials prior to voting at the convention.”

        http://gantdaily.com/2016/04/23/unity-slate-fight-pits-cruz-against-trump-kasich-in-maine/

        You are woefully misinformed.

        You trash the messenger, as if that determines the truth of what is presented. Yet your own bias and ignorance is even worse.

        No one should rely on what you say.

        Caveat emptor!

          Ragspierre in reply to oldschooltwentysix. | April 25, 2016 at 4:28 pm

          Josh Dunlap, a Cruz delegate from first congressional district, disputed the idea that the Cruz camp had agreed to a unity slate idea.

          “There’s been a lot of misinformation handed out that — in fact, there was no final agreement. We had a consistent Cruz slate that we’ve always been backing and continue to back, and so unfortunately there’s been some misinformation, but the Cruz slate has remained the same,” Dunlap told CNN.

          -snip-

          Proponents of the unity ticket distributed their slate on a sheet of paper with the message, “The presidential campaigns have reached an agreement to recognize the will of the voters and the results of the March 5th Republican Caucuses, by producing a UNITY TICKET that includes a fair distribution of supporters of Sen. Ted Cruz, Mr. Donald J. Trump, and Gov. John R. Kasich for Delegates and Alternate Delegates to the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Ohio.”

          Despite opposition from the Cruz team, Gov. LePage was elected on Saturday as a delegate to the national convention from the first congressional district. But the other five congressional district delegate slots were won by individuals listed on the Cruz slate, portending trouble for the unity ticket in the voting for at-large delegates.

          LePage had said Friday that the Cruz team was working to remove the governor himself from Maine’s delegation to the national convention, according to a report in the Lewiston Sun-Journal. LePage, who along with his wife is running for a slot as a Trump delegate, would normally have been awarded the slot as a courtesy to the governor.”

          So. LaPage LOST, fair and square, along with Kay-sick. Voted on and LOST. He didn’t get the “courtesy” due a GOPe sitting governor, he had to EARN a place as a delegate.

          Puuuuuuurrr baby…!!! Whining and LYING are two traits of T-rump suckers.

          Rags: “in fact, there was no final agreement.”

          Slimy lawyer weasel words for we only shook on the deal and they can’t prove we agreed to anything because they didn’t get it in writing with notarized signatures.

          Its not our fault if they trusTED us. We just led them to believe there was an agreement when there wasn’t. Because we are lying slimy lawyers who can’t be trusTED.

          Maybe it’s Slimy Lawyer for that; I wouldn’t know, because I don’t speak that language. But in Honest Lawyer, a language with which I have some passing familiarity, it means “There was no deal. There was a proposal, which we discussed and thought about, but we concluded that it wasn’t to our advantage so of course we didn’t agree to it.” Anybody who has ever been involved in a negotiation knows that not all proposals are agreed to.

    Looks like Cruz didn’t take long to start stabbing Kasich in the back. Apparently last night his people were sending out emails telling his campaign people NOT to tell voters in New Mexico and Oregon to vote for Kasich. That apparently got Kasich stating that voters in Indiana should still vote for him.

    You can’t make a deal with a slimy politician lawyer like Cruz.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/26/us/politics/ted-cruz-john-kasich-donald-trump.html?_r=0

      Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | April 25, 2016 at 4:32 pm

      Yep. Lying right along with the NYT, as ususal, Collectivist LYING SOS, Gaghdad Bob Britt.

      Cannot resist posting without critical thought from a Collectivst sourse.

      Or…well…ANY thought.

    spartan in reply to Gary Britt. | April 25, 2016 at 5:36 pm

    In business and the stock market if you engage in collusion you go to jail, but in our rigged and crooked primary system collusion (and delegate bribes and payoffs) is perfectly ok.

    Hmmmmm …..
    http://townhall.com/columnists/johnstossel/2015/11/11/my-trump-problem-n2078703

    Tell us Phony Gary, how did Trump not go to jail for his collusion with the New Jersey’s Casino Reinvestment Development Authority, who filed a lawsuit, instructing Coking to leave within 90 days and offering compensation of only $251,000.

    He put that old woman through hell. How is stealing property (for private purposes I may add) any different than what the Left tries to do when they are in charge of the government?

    Please do not cite Kelo in your answer as Kelo was decided after this matter.

      Old news on eminent domain is all you got. This has already been fully discussed here on LI and 1000s other places. Just do a search in LI on trump and eminent domain and read to your hearts content. You find a complete and full defense of Mr. Trump posted by myself and several others.

      The founders LOVED eminent domain so much they PUT IT IN THE CONSTITUTION.

    Milhouse in reply to Gary Britt. | April 26, 2016 at 1:34 am

    In business and the stock market if you engage in collusion you go to jail, but in our rigged and crooked primary system collusion (and delegate bribes and payoffs) is perfectly ok.

    Somehow I knew Trump would make that stupid analogy, because he’s so ignorant that to him it makes sense.

    In fact the only reason the antitrust laws were not struck down the first time they were used is that the courts decided that the first amendment has an invisible sort-of exception for “commercial speech”, which is protected but not as strongly as “core” speech. As dubious as that doctrine is, it’s strictly applied, and any attempt to extend those laws to politics would be struck down as blatantly unconstitutional.

    There is not and cannot be anything wrong with political rivals cooperating for their mutual benefit. It’s called coalition building, and it’s what politicians are supposed to do.

      Barry in reply to Milhouse. | April 26, 2016 at 7:02 am

      “because he’s so ignorant that to him it makes sense. ”

      What is ignorant is to misunderstand trumps using it to his political benefit.

Making a deal with Cruz always turns out bad. Kasich will learn his lesson.

DEAD HEAT: CLINTON VS TRUMP

https://mediarelations.gwu.edu/americans-overwhelmingly-engaged-2016-election-tone-race-affecting-voters-new-gw-battleground-poll

And Trump hasn’t even started on campaigning against Hillary yet. When he does. His polling will soar and so will his favorables.

Cruz – Kasich

#WeakandPathetic

Rut Row

Bobby Knight the beloved long time basketball coach at Indiana University has endorsed Trump and will introduce Trump at his next Indiana rally.

    Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | April 25, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    That would be “chokin’, beatin’, lyin'” Boooby. Appropriate.

      amwick in reply to Ragspierre. | April 25, 2016 at 8:37 pm

      You forgot “chair throwin'” Very appropriate.

      spartan in reply to Ragspierre. | April 25, 2016 at 8:42 pm

      I can’t wait for Knight to wax poetic about bathrooms. That ought to remind folks of one of his more interesting locker room speeches.

      I don’t know if this will be as big a deal as Trump thinks. Knight was a lightning rod and folks at IU loved him or hated him. His endorsement is certainly not going to impress Purdue and ND fans.
      That being said, I have always thought Knight was one of the better coaches in college basketball and one of the more complicated characters you will ever meet. He will not suffer fools gladly when you talk to him about basketball, but if you talk to him about fishing, you will have made a friend for life.

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/04/levin-the-cruz-kasich-alliance-is-not-collusion-its-art-of-the-deal

Listen.

If you can pick at it rationally, do that.

If you can find fault with facts, do that.

Don’t slime the Levin.

    Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | April 25, 2016 at 10:01 pm

    “Don’t slime the Levin.”

    No need. He covered himself in it long ago, and got paid well to do it.

    He’s bought and paid for.

    Milhouse in reply to Ragspierre. | April 26, 2016 at 1:55 am

    I have no respect for Levin, but his point here is obvious. Collusion is not a dirty word. There’s nothing wrong with it. In the limited area of business there are artificial laws against it, laws of dubious constitutionality, but in every other area of life, most especially including politics, collusion, collaboration, cooperation, coordination, whatever you want to call it, is perfectly respectable and honorable.

      Barry in reply to Milhouse. | April 26, 2016 at 7:01 am

      “Collusion is not a dirty word.”

      Actually, it does have a negative connotation.

      Which is precisely why trump uses it.

      Irrespective of the fact that there is nothing fundamentally wrong with two candidates cooperating.

      Unfortunately for those two, it probably benefits trump more than them.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/04/25/video-ted-cruz-explains-kasich-alliance-slams-trump-for-ducking-debates-n2153454

T-rump will whine and lie about “collusion”. But he won’t debate Cruz.

Because he’s a pussy (his term).

    There have been a dozen debates. There is no need for any more. There have already been too many. Townhalls allow for much more in depth questions and answers. They are far better.

    Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | April 25, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    “But he won’t debate Cruz.”

    Huh, could a sworn I saw a debate or ten on the TV with cruz and trump participating. In one of those debates cruz tried out his new “NY values” gig and got his ass handed to him, courtesy of Mr NY, trump. Worked out well for cruz in the NY primary…

      Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | April 26, 2016 at 12:02 pm

      What was the date of the one-on-one debate between Cruz and T-rump?

        Poor whittle Cruz still whining about more debates. Give him a lollipop.

        Cruz just doesn’t get a one on one debate with the undisputed leader and presumptive nominee. First he needs to demonstrate he deserves such a debate.

        I propose that Cruz and Kasich have a series of 3 one on one debates, and then the consensus winner of at least 2 out of 3 of those debates can claim they have the right to challenge for the title.

        Like in heavyweight boxing first the challengers have to go through a series of elimination bouts in order to determine the top challenger with the right to go up against the Champ !!

        Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | April 26, 2016 at 7:17 pm

        “Huh, could a sworn I saw a debate or ten on the TV with cruz and trump participating.”

        Cruz a special snowflake or something that he expects to get his own special debate?

        He’d lose. The more exposure he gets the more people don’t like him.

Rut Row

New Poll indicates Ted Cruz’s national poll numbers in free fall. Cruz drops to third place.

US – 2016 GOP Presidential Primary: Donald Trump 45% – John Kasich 29% – Ted Cruz 17% – (Suffolk Univ/USA Today 04/25/2016)
John Kasich
Donald Trump

Source: Suffolk Univ/USA Today

Method: Phone

Date: 04/20/2016 – 04/24/

    Barry in reply to Gary Britt. | April 25, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    You are a bit confused.
    You have cruz and Kasich reversed.

      Milhouse in reply to Barry. | April 26, 2016 at 2:05 am

      Your friend is not confused, he’s lying.

        Barry in reply to Milhouse. | April 26, 2016 at 7:04 am

        Not my “friend”.

        And you do not know that it was just a misreading, perhaps wishful, of the poll. There would be no point in lying about a poll that is easily viewed.

        You use the word lie way too often, like your “friend” Ragspisser.

          Well, Gary is very well known for stating things as fact that are easily checked out . . . and proven false. In this case, the lack of a link is a giveaway. In other cases, it’s not as evident unless one knows better (his railing against Cruz for not admitting it was a mistake to appear on stage with Swanson), or it’s so off-the-wall and insane that it’s not worth doing more than rolling your eyes and giggling (his wild-eyed suggestion that Cruz’s father was the shooter on the grassy knoll in Dallas).

          You’ll have to excuse us if we view everything that Gary posts with a skeptical eye. He’s earned it. In spades.

      It is a straight copy and paste from http://www.pollheadlines.com/

      Just checked and it is still showing as I pasted above. If its wrong the mistake is from pollheadlines.com

        Barry in reply to Gary Britt. | April 26, 2016 at 7:09 pm

        You’re right, that website says what you reported.

        It is wrong however. I went to the poll itself to verify since I did not think it possible cruz could fall that much.

    Barry is correct. Pollheadlines.com does have it transposed. Here from the Suffolk poll results pdf.

    Donald Trump 45.21%

    Ted Cruz 29.11%

    John Kasich 16.78%

Trump is still a clown.

Looks like we should call him “Blunderful Donald”.

Heh…!!!

http://twitchy.com/2016/04/26/politico-reports-trump-is-not-happy-with-paul-manafort/

    spartan in reply to Ragspierre. | April 26, 2016 at 9:27 am

    This is too funny on so many levels. I think the bluster and celebration of a Trump nomination and November victory may be a bit premature.

    Rags,
    I think it is safe to say, Trump supporters come in 3 distinct flavors: the corrupt, the naive, and the lazy.

    Excellent. I liked what I read in the politico article. Manafort needs to stay off TV and start getting results.

Donald Trump has reached 50 percent support from Republicans and Republican-leaners nationally for the first time since the beginning of the NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking Poll in late December. This milestone is significant as the 2016 primary heads into its final few weeks of contests, as there has been intense speculation that Trump’s support has a ceiling. Though his support has hovered in the high 40s since mid-March, the front-runner had yet to secure half of Republican voters.

These results are according to the latest NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking poll conducted online from April 18 to April 24 of 10,707 adults aged 18 and over, including 9,405 registered voters.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-trump-reaches-50-percent-support-nationally-first-time-n562061

The Republican Convention Will Not Be Contested

So the fat lady’s been singing for a while. But she started to hit the high notes when, just the other day, Cruz and Kasich got more desperate and decided to team up (sorta) to defeat Trump. They didn’t, however, seem to have their hearts in it and only hours after the announcement Kasich appeared to be backing halfway out, saying he still wanted his supporters to vote for him. He just wasn’t going to campaign in Indiana. Cruz wasn’t acting particularly enthusiastic either. This wasn’t exactly the Bryan Brothers going for that last Wimbledon. No real team play for these guys. Trump called them “colluders,” but I’m not sure they could do a good job of even sharing crayons.

https://pjmedia.com/diaryofamadvoter/2016/04/25/the-republican-convention-will-not-be-contested/

    Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | April 26, 2016 at 11:47 am

    Roger Simon is an old-line Hollywood liberal who seemed to have experienced a conservative conversion some years back.

    Now he’s back-sliding into the Collective again.

    I’ll take Andrew Klavan, thanks. We’ll see what kind of prognosticator Simon is. Right now, he’s just another T-rumpian shill.

      Gee what a surprise anybody who isn’t a Cruz sycophant is a Trumpian shill. So says the resident Cruz shill.

      Trump’s going to win on the first ballot. Get used to it.

        Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | April 26, 2016 at 12:49 pm

        Well, a T-rumpian shill IS a T-rumpian shill.

        Conversely, I am NOT a Cruz shill. I have, do and will criticize Cruz.

        We’ll see about YOUR value as a prognosticator, Gaghdad Bob. I’ve never said that T-rump could not be the nominee. I’ve remarked that the U.S. has twice elected a lying, Collectivist, narcissistic asshole.

        It could be a trend…

          Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | April 26, 2016 at 7:13 pm

          “I have, do and will criticize Cruz.”

          LOL, you really do live in an alternate universe.

          Reminds me of the left.

So I guess all this Cruz-Kasich stuff never happened??? Amazing.

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