As Katrina “spilled the beans” on Heidi, Trump supporters spread rumors about Katrina
In cults of personality, even the most loyal get betrayed.
Remember when Donald Trump threatened to “spill the beans” on Heidi Cruz?
Yesterday Katrina Pierson, Trump’s campaign spokesman, “spilled the beans” in an interview.
Ironically, as Katrina was spilling the beans on Heidi, Trump SUPPORTERS were spreading wild rumors about Katrina and Ted Cruz (which she denies).
Katrina tweeted yesterday about the rumors with an apparent lack of self awareness that the rumors were published by a magazine that has endorsed Trump, and were being spread by supporters of Trump:
What's worse? People who actually believe the trash in tabloids, or the ones who know it's false &spread it anyway? #stupidity on all levels
— Katrina Pierson (@KatrinaPierson) March 25, 2016
Of course the National Enquirer story is 100% FALSE!!! I only speak to myself, however.
Carry on…
— Katrina Pierson (@KatrinaPierson) March 25, 2016
In cults of personality, even the most loyal get betrayed.
So what were the “beans” Trump threatened to spill?
The Hill reports:
“Spilling the beans is quite simple when it comes to Heidi Cruz,” Pierson said in an interview with MSNBC’s Steve Kornacki.
“She is a Bush operative; she worked for the architect of NAFTA, which has killed millions of jobs in this country; she was a member on the Council on Foreign Relations who — in Sen. Cruz’s own words, called a nest of snakes that seeks to undermine national sovereignty; and she’s been working for Goldman Sachs, the same global bank that Ted Cruz left off of his financial disclosure,” Pierson said.
“Her entire career has been spent working against everything Ted Cruz says that he stands for,” she added.
Cruz spokeswoman Alice Stewart responded to the remarks in a statement to The Hill, saying, “There’s no low the Trump campaign won’t go.”
Seriously, that’s all you got? None of that is new. Trump supporters have been attacking Heidi on that for weeks, long before the photo of Melania Trump in mailers in Utah.
The only thing they don’t attack her on is her, ahem, secret visits to Area 51.
Compared to what Trump SUPPORTERS were saying about Katrina, tame stuff.
More important, Trump supporters are increasingly focused on Heidi — that will not end well for a candidate who is deeply underwater with female voters in numerous recent polls:
Yet Trump cheerleaders keep trying to convince themselves that increasing the attacks on Heidi, including making fun of her looks, is the way to go.
https://twitter.com/diana_west_/status/713688579109732352
Talk about living in a bubble. Trump can beat up on Megyn Kelly’s menstrual cycle, Carly Fiorina’s face, and Heidi Cruz’s worst photo ever, and his supporters will cheer.
Pure delusion.
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I think Zero Hedge is doing a very good job covering this particular story. I tend to agree with the general tenor of their pieces: They’re all nuts.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-25/trump-spokeswoman-spills-beans-heidi-cruz-media-goes-crazy-over-cruzsexscandal
Phase 1: Cruz Reps “Cross The Line”, when a “SuperPAC” run by a Cruz supporter launched a Trump ad campaign showcasing a naked posing Melania Trump
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Except that is completely false. As even Sean Hannity has had to admit.
It is simply no longer possible to believe Trumpkins are misguided conservatives, Christians, Republicans, or decent people. They are none of these.
There is an interesting observation in the comments on that site.
Superlawyer Ted Cruz lost 6 of 8 SCOTUS cases he argued.
When looking at his Senate career Isee filbusters that he basically lost. Did he repeal Obamacare? No. Did he even reduce illegal immigration? No. Did he balance the budget? No.
Ted Cruz is all about looking good fighting our battles and losing!
In the meantime, we see some things that Ted Cruz is good at. Advancing TPP and other free trade initiatives that cost us jobs and harm the economy. Things that
HillaryHeidi Cruz has been involved with over the years.And people support him seriously. Maybe when this is all over he can get a job as the new David Copperfield.
Where do you even come up with the lies you tell here?
Cruz has argued NINE cases before the Supremes, and won most of those.
He…with Sessions…KILLED the TPP in its present iteration.
You are just another T-rumpian lying SOS. (Sack of sophistry for the delicate.)
If you count Medellin as one case it is 8 if you count it as two cases then it is nine. Cruz only won Medellin, and Global-Tech if you think he won more name them.
As for TPP was for it before he was against it.
Cruz is stl for TPP/Obamatrade. He voted for it. As Jeff Sessions correctly stated in the senate “a vote for TPA/fastrack IS a vote for obamatrade”. Cruz voted for TPA and then when Trump showed the truth about these stupid trade deals Cruz needed some rock to hide under. So Cruz joined with McConnell to delay the vote on Obamatrade until after the election. After the electkon Cruz and McConnell will pass obamatrade before obama leaves office.
Ragspierre lies about this constantly seek8ng to full people as to Cruz’s true intentions.
It is pretty good. Thanks for post.
For those who need a primer of what is rapidly becoming the biggest “issue” in the presidential race, here is a reminder, courtesy of our post from last night “Tough Guy Ted Warns “Sniveling Coward” Trump: “Leave My Wife Alone”:
Phase 1: Cruz Reps “Cross The Line”, when a “SuperPAC” run by a Cruz supporter launched a Trump ad campaign showcasing a naked posing Melania Trump
Phase 2: Trumps Warns Cruz: “Lyin’ Ted Cruz just used a picture of Melania from a G.Q. shoot in his ad. Be careful, Lyin’ Ted, or I will spill the beans on your wife!”
Phase 3: Cruz firez back, warning Trump: Don’t Do The Same Thing To Me That [My Reps] Just Did To You (Or Else!).
Phase 4: Trump Goes There, retweeting an image “comparing” Heidi Cruz and Melania Trump
Phase 5: Cruz Goes Full Rambo, says ‘Donald, you’re a sniveling coward and leave Heidi alone.’
Or, as we summed up, “a Cruz fan uses naked images of Trump’s wife to disparage him to saintly ‘Utah-ans’; Trump pissed; Cruz warns Trump not to reciprocate; Trump shows ugly picture of Cruz’s wife; Cruz unleashes inner Hulk as Trump dares to do what Cruz reps did to him.”
…annnnnnnda, of course, Gaghdad Bob Britt takes the opportunity to REPEAT a known set of lies.
It’s just who he is. And he represents the lying SOS he has a man-crush on SO well…!!!!
Ragspierre is an insane lying little man of no consequence.
The only thing they don’t attack her on is her, ahem, secret visits to Area 51.
But that’s a good thing.
The funniest thing to me is that the Trump trolls say that Trump’s camp just can’t be the source for the Enquirer piece because it affects his spokesperson.
That assumes Trump is a man of honor. The guy who screwed his brother’s children out of their inheritance. The guy who cut off medical care to the sick child of his nephew out of vengeance because they challenged the will. The guy who controlled entities that borrowed hundreds of millions of dollars from lenders, then screwed them over in four bankruptcies. The guy who tried to use the courts to force a woman to sell him her house so he could park limousines there instead. The guy who bragged about cheating on his wife in a book he wrote about himself.
This is a man of honor? Give me a break. He screwed his own flesh and blood relatives over for money. And these trolls want to pretend he would not throw his spokesperson under the bus if he thought he could gain from it somehow? Talk about delusional.
Here’s something to bear in mind…
Lois Lerner did not need an email from the White House to know what she should do WRT conservative groups seeking an exempt tax status. She did not need express marching orders to know to violate the rights of conservatives and Jews.
T-rump buddy “Enquirer” CEO does not need a phone call from Der Donald to know what to print and what to withhold from printing. They both know.
The woman who runs the super-pac that published the Mrs. T-rump III ad is not a Cruz supporter. But she knows what hurts Der Donald, and nobody needs to give her any direction.
People act just exactly like people, expressing human nature in very natural ways. You don’t need no steeeeenkin’ conspiracy to understand why certain people do what they do.
Daily Beast: Rubio allies shopped Cruz affair rumors to the media
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/03/25/daily-beast-rubio-allies-shopped-cruz-affair-rumors-to-the-media/
Shopped around and rejected by every outlet except the one whose CEO is a trump supporter and friend. So odd.
Incorrect. We’re saying it because the source of this stuff was the Rubio campaign in conjunction with the GOPe Stop-Trump crowd.
Yes, while ignoring the one media outlet who reported it was Trump’s friend and supporter and one person quoted is a Trump friend and supporter.
Rubio came up with it, Trump got someone to publish it.
The whole “war on women” theme will certainly be harder for T-rump to battle now. As it should be. The guy’s a pig. In addition to being a Collectivist bully.
Attacking Trump from the LEFT with democrat talking points. I remember a couple months ago the Cruz talking point you were pushing was attacking someone from the left was bad and meant the attacker was a member of the RINO establishment.
What was that you just posted “people here have memories”. Yes tgey do and it is easy to see what a lying SOS and hypocrite you really are in fact.
Here’s something I’d be puzzling over if I were Miss Pierson…
after reading Der Donald’s statement on this imbroglio, I didn’t find one word supporting her, or expressing confidence in her.
What I did read was studied ambiguity about “who knows if this is true or not?”. Which, of course doesn’t deplore this kind of muck-raking and is designed to keep the smoke in the air.
That would make me wonder about working for this man come sun-up.
What happened to, ‘wait and see’? Keep this off the pages of LI. Until this is proven true or false I don’t think any decent people should be wagging their jaws about this. Or pointing to this sordid episode. Cruz has a family and the more this is in the news the more it will hurt them as people.
Until then we can all agree that nobody decent wants to drag Cruz and his family through the mud. Even if it is true, especially if it is true the quicker this is done and over with for the Cruz family the better.
We should let the tabloids and muckrakers do what they do and ignore them. I don’t like this one bit.
I hate this, people are using the Cruz’s family pain for their gain. In fact the only issue that I think is relevant is the possible pay off from a Cruz pac to Fiorina’s campaign. The rest is personal business of the Cruz family.
Rabid and irrational anti-Trump motivation.
Never mind that this story wasn’t from the Trump camp or supporters.
Never mind that the Cruz supporters actually know (or should know by now) that this stuff came from tne Stop-Trump and Rubio people.
“What happened to, ‘wait and see’?”
The Professor, Kimberlee Kaye, Fuzzy Slippers are all Cruzbots. For cruzbots consistency of thought and action, rationality, and logic do not apply. Then they project all these disabilities on Trump supporters. Similar to but even more extreme than how liberals project their infirmities onto conservatives.
It is how they can use one set of logic to say Trump controls the National Enquirer, and then an entirely different paradigm to say Cruz doesn’t have anything to do with Liz Mair’s attacks on Melania Trump.
They can do this despite the FACT it is well established this story has been pushed for months by Rubio people not Trump, and despite the FACT that the Cruz campaign has pushed the attack on Mrs. Trump about her supermodel past for Months. Glenn Beck was pushing it last August, Cruz campaign operatives were on televisio a month ago pushing it. And Rags who coordinates his talking points here with the talking points of the Cruz campaign has pushed it himself several times over the past several months.
While you mention Cruz has family and kids let’s not forget that Mrs. Trump has a family and young child as well. She ended her modeling career 12 to 15 years ago. She became a mother 10 years ago. I’m sure she would have preferred to address the issues of her supermodel career with her son at a time of her own choosing in a much less public way. But Trump merely pointing out visually but without comment and only in response to the Cruz attacks on his wife that Heidi is not a beautiful supermodel like Mrs. Trump that is the thing some morons think crosses the line.
Yeah right that’s the bad thing. The only bad thing.
You accusing the people who run and contribute to this site bots…… Wow that’s rich. You are the most disingenuous tool to ever post on this site, bar none.
Your post is like someone being offended at another for observing the sky is blue.
You will notice that on almost every Britt post, he immediately votes for his own bullshit.
He lies about everything. He’s truly and deeply sick. I mean that literally.
You will notice that Ragspierre NEVER has anything of substance to offer. He just runs around LI trolling the posts of others with name calling and vulgarity. He is an insane little man of absolutely no consequence. I mean that literally.
I notice that Gary Britt does not recognize substance when he sees it.
Oh please. That picture of Melania was on the COVER of GQ. It’s not like someone stole it from a family album.
Wait and see? One day later …… (GARY BRITT ALERT!)
From Thomas Lifson at The American Thinker:
“…. But that may not be enough for one of Trump’s earliest, most influential, and enthusiastic supporters, syndicated talk show host Michael Savage. In a passionate 4-minute monologue, Savage said he had knowledge from a source he would “trust with my life” that the charges in the story were false. Savage also noted that he also has been attacked with innuendo over his entire career, and that “it is not pretty to live through this garbage.”
He stated that the Enquirer is run by a close friend of Trump, David Pecker, who flies on Trump’s plane, and that Pecker is behind the Cruz smear. He called on Trump to disavow the story and David Pecker, and threatened to withdraw his support if he doesn’t.”
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/03/emnational_enquirerem_cruz_infidelity_story_could_cost_trump_a_prominent_supporter.html
Savage is a complete nut bag. We neither welcomed his support or could do anything about it. All we could do is cringe when he boarded the Trump train and if he wants to get off nobody will be standing in his way or pleading don’t go. He can join the Glenn Beck traveling rodeo of nut bags with our blessing if that is what he chooses to do.
Trumpkins seem to be running out of allies. LOL
This must be the not the Michael Savage you once knew moment, as you throw him under the bus, a la Obama’s grandmother. Your stridency knows no bounds.
Why are you spreading this misleading propaganda? The real story is about the Stop-Trump GOPe crowd and Rubio supporters.
This is why Rubio has said he’s not interested in a unity ticket with Cruz.
Yep. Trump and Trump supporters don’t care who Katrina did or did not have relations with. I believe her for now when she says it isn’t true about her. There are no pictures of Katrina and Cruz getting matching fake Churchill tatoos like there are of Cruz and Amanda Carpenter.
However if it turned out Katrina did once have relations with Cruz. The only thing that would bother me about that would be how she actually chose to be with the slimy bastard. Katrina isn’t running for President on a platform that she can be trusTED and is a blessed savior prophecized in the writings of the Mormon church.
That version is readily available at drudge, wackjob treehouse, etc. Feel free to go over there to read the slant and spin you desire. Stay there, you won’t be missed.
Why do you keep repeating the same phrase over and over and over again? Did you think we didn’t understand your “Rubio did it” point the first time, or are you stuck in a robotic loop?
Are you rocking back and forth at your computer keyboard while you chant this, like a mantra?
We understood your point, and then we rejected it as deflectionary bullshit. Nobody cares if Rubio came up with this. I don’t care if the freakin’ Pope came up with this, as long as he didn’t use it.
You know who DID use it? Trump.
We can give each other the *wink*, *wink* innocent until proven guilty routine if you like, but this isn’t a court of law. We know Trump loves Pecker (HA!). It’s obvious how this got into the National Enquirer.
Now it’s time for Trump to take his medicine like a man.
Do most of you feel as sick about this election as I do? I was at one point in time willing to support Trump only as a stop hillary action. No longer. In my life I have never such vicious people who need all of our votes to elect their idol. They don’t eem to realize that they cannot win without us. Trump is so egocentric that he cannot understand that either. Had he one ounce of intelligence he would realize that he is trashing at least half of the voters he expects to own in the coming election. Not mine! I’m done with this low life classless narcissist. To think that a man with no honor or integrity could lead this great nation is unthinkable.
And Mark Levin has been saying this exact thing from the beginning, long before endorsing Cruz. Donald is not doing himself or the party or conservatism any favors with his crap. He’s losing more and more potential support for the general election as his unfavorability gets higher and higher, particularly among women. It won’t get better after July, only worse.
That is exactly how I have come to feel about Cruz and the Cruzbots. Cruz and his supporters adopted a scorched earth attack policy on v all his opponents from Carson to Trump. The Cruz and cruzbot collaboration with the GOPe attacks on Trump, the peoples choice, has sealed Cruz’s fate. He will never be president. Not now. Not ever.
People have memories, and you are a living assault of cognitive dissonance with your constant lies, Gaghdad Bob.
You have no credibility here. You are just a hiss and a by-word.
Along with a demonstrated bigot and amazing hater.
Ragspierre is an insane liar.
To William Jacobson, four years ago when I joined as a commenter, you were very strict about commenters’ civility. You used to block people for insulting others. The above commenter has called people “moron” and worse. Time to remind commenters of your rules
Speaking of insults, look at the post Britt was responding to…
If LI really wanted to enforce civility, probably a hopeless task, they would fairly remove the beams before the splinters.
Mercyneal since you are clearly suffering from selective outrage based on your political point of view (just like the liberal snowflakes in colleges). Perhaps instead of seeking selective censorship of thoughts you don’t like youvshould just run to bed before you melt.
Do most of you feel as sick about this election as I do?
Not at all. You seem to be expecting something wonderful, and are impatient that you’re not getting it.
But this election is fundamentally no different from any other. In any free election, you get to vote for the jerk of your choice, rather than being stuck automatically with the jerk the existing government picks for you. Anybody who’s actually enthusiastic about any candidate in any election is almost certainly overlooking something important.
A presidential election is a big job interview, and we all know how hard it is to get good help these days. But even though both major candidates for this job vacancy are jerks, it doesn’t follow that they’re interchangeable.
So, you pick who you think is most suitable for the job, and vote accordingly.
As usual.
“Do most of you feel as sick about this election as I do?”
“Not at all. You seem to be expecting something wonderful, and are impatient that you’re not getting it.”
I am not aware that I said anything about being “Wonderful”. I have never said that about any election in my life. I have had bad choices before but never like this. hillary is a non starter for me, I never use a capital letter in her name for that reason. And I started out liking what Trump had to say about immigration and some of our trade policies. But then he became unhinged and if I were still in the USMC and had a commander like him I would report him for being unstable and dangerous. People who imbue him with their personality traits and desires are just like the obama voters. Most are sorely disappointed in their choice. You mention to vote for the “Most suitable” candidate. There isn’t one. hillary should be in Leavenworth and Trump should be left to embarrass himself on TV. I owe Kimberly of LI an apology for saying it was her duty to vote. I have now, for the first time in my life, decided not to vote because I have been insulted by everything connected with the Trump campaign either in person, on line or in the msm. If he is elected our nation’s honor and integrity are at risk. If hillary wins then it won’t be her victory but Trump’s loss. Stop and look at what has happened since this man has entered this race. One insult after another. No substance from him at all. His intellect, if he has one, is an embarrassment to us all. I see no choice here. Neither is fit for this office.
Let me see if I understand some of the above correctly. According to some, Cruz either pushed that photo of Melania personally or knows darn well who did. However, Trump and his campaign had nothing to do with the National Enquirer smear. Nope, no way. One guy is guilty by association while the other one isn’t. Oookay.
It is very clear that Trump bears personal responsibility for the ugly photo of Heidi compared to his own wife. This was totally out of line. He did it deliberately.
I agree with Cruz when he said that the photo of Melania Trump on anti-Trump materials was inappropriate. What I want to know is why everyone is surprised somebody went there. Melania was a professional model. These were not secret photos taken without her consent. She did this for pay, before she became Mrs. Trump. The photos are in the public domain, however much the more squeamish among us may not care for their re-publication.
Months before the Pac ad ran, Glenn Beck Cruz’s BFF was calling Melania a lesbian porn queen.
About two weeks before the ad was revealed, a Cruz operative spread stories of the picture and in essense declared wives “fair game”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ALErcfr7jQ0
Slightly past the 4 minute mark.
As for the ugly photo of
HillaryHeidi. How many ugly photos of Hillary and Michelle appeared on this site? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.But I mainly posted to set you straight on something.
The Melania photo is om the public dopmain. It is owned by GQ. To use it some had to buy the rights to use it from GQ. Rumor has it, and it is only a rumor, that that person was Jeff Roe.
A direct tie to Ted Cruz.
If you provide evidence that a Cruz employee paid GQ to get that photo, then you’ve got something.
How would it justify Trump’s ugly attack on Heidi Cruz? It’s justified because people have posted ugly photos of Hilary? Wow.
“Glenn Beck Cruz’s BFF was calling Melania a lesbian porn queen.”
That’s a lie, and you’re a liar. You were made aware of that lie here…
https://legalinsurrection.com/2016/03/new-york-appeals-court-nixes-suit-that-wouldve-removed-ted-cruz-from-states-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-660676
“the First Lady would be the first to have posed nude in lesbian porn shots” – Glenn Beck; August 14, 2015
https://www.facebook.com/GlennBeck/posts/10153556923133188
Which is decidedly NOT calling her “a lesbian porn queen”.
It’s also a true statement of fact.
Not that any of that matters to T-rump sucking liars.
Ragspierre exposed as a liar for the second time on this same item.
That Heidi Cruz is an ugly goldman sachs troll compared to Mrs. Trump is also just a fact if we are going to play that game.
Maybe Ted Cruz has so beat her down about her looks that is what has made her accept Ted’s many affairs from Texas to DC.
It appears quite likely now from what we know that it was Ted’s affair with the “sexy Austin school teacher” that is the real reason Heidi became suicidal and was taken into custody by Austin police to protect herself and the public.
All these affairs by Ted is likely the principal reason why Heidi and Ted have lived in separate homes for 7 of their 10 years of marriage.
Heidi’s “christian counseling” after she became suicidal was probably dominionist reducation camp where they programmed her to think Cruz’s affairs were all her fault and she had to shut up and accept it for the sake of the children.
I don’t know anything about who owns the specific photo the anti-Trump ad in Utah used. When I told my husband I hadn’t seen it, he used Google to very quickly bring up quite a number of nude photos of Melania from back in her modeling days. If the people who used this one should have paid royalties to GQ and didn’t, then they’re liable to be sued; however, the photos are readily available online.
“But I mainly posted to set you straight on something.
The Melania photo is om the public dopmain. It is owned by GQ. To use it some had to buy the rights to use it from GQ. Rumor has it, and it is only a rumor, that that person was Jeff Roe.
A direct tie to Ted Cruz.”
Wow! Can you please deal in facts? Where is any proof of the crap you are dispensing? I am beginning to think that all Trump supporters have become like him and just say terrible things about anyone they deem a threat. I hate Glenn Beck but he is free to say anything he wants to and there is nothing Cruz or anyone else can do about it. Where is your candidates serious side? When do we learn what his solutions to all of our problems are? If I were you I would refrain from commenting until you get your facts from a reliable source.
Rod, I did try to track down whether Jeff Roe did indeed buy the ad and so far everything has come up false. Roe may have done that but I can’t find anything that confirms it. The original source for the accusation came from a known liar on Twitter. I am on your side on this but all of us need to be careful pushing stories. Otherwise keep up the good work.
I tried to track it down and got nada, but there are a lot of rumors that are going nowhere one day and become big the next.
I will also pointed out that I heavily emphasized that at this point it is a rumor.
More Trumpkin deflection.
See everybody? Glenn Beck (who is kinda kooky) said something mean, and that totally excuses all the mean things we said in return!
Sure, this is a presidential election but instead of operating like professionals, let’s all act like 13-year old girls instead!
That really ought to bring the party together!
As I understand it, those photos are copyrighted. Unless they wanted sued for using them without permission, somebody had to secure those rights for them to use like they did.
Instead of down twinkles somebody please tell me if that’s correct.
Now, the question becomes “who”.
The pictures are almost certainly copyrighted.
That does not mean that you necessarily have to pay to use them. THere is a concept called “fair use” which can get pretty hairy. Possibly news media don’t have to pay for them. To use them in ads you pretty much have to pay.
Shows like ET/TMZ probably have a bulk license with GQ to use any of their photos. I doubt they negotiate on a per photo license.
Either Cruz or Trump
Either Trump or Cruz
This pointless bickering over this kind of trivial BS simply makes us more vulnerable to GOPe manipulation.
We’ve got jihadists blowing people up and shooting Americans, Norks and Iranians perfecting/developing nukes, illegals flooding across the borders, veterans care routinely denied or delayed… on and on…
and Obama is off dancing the tango…
while Republicans are all puffed up and locked in mortal combat over wife pictures and tawdry unproven allegations of affairs.
GTFO of the ditch and get back to beating the Democrats.
Beat the Democrats? The most frightening thing I keep reading about is how the GOP really wants her to win, since Jeb suffered from a failure to launch. This is so hard to understand, but it seems to be happening.
Yep, we seem to be off the rails. IMO either Cruz or Trump are vastly preferable to any Demo or GOPe substitute. We should be happy Bush seems out since a year ago he was “inevitable”. Instead we are fighting like cats and dogs over ridiculous stuff and, as you point out, watching “Republicans” threatening to sabotage our own victory.
I don’t think they are threatening. They are doing it, successfully. LI is like the GOP, self destructing. (on some threads)
Sure, right after we dispense the ass beating the Trumpkins have had coming for a while.
Don’t worry though, we’ll save enough energy to beat on Hillary and the Democrats in November.
Trump Leads Prediction Markets Betting Odds in 6 State Primaries
Donald Trump
In a follow-up to a story written last week, PredictIt, a real-money political prediction market or “the stock market for politics,” indicates Donald Trump is now the April primaries runaway favorite in six states and a toss-up in Wisconsin with a close 2nd place to Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)
Presently, the predictions market odds indicate that Wisconsin is the only state that’s “in play” for Ted Cruz, with all other April primary states showing John Kasich in 2nd place behind Trump
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/26/trump-leads-prediction-markets-betting-odds-in-6-state-primaries/
If Trump wins Wisconsin. Cruz is mathematically eliminated. If Cruz wins Wisconsin and Trump wins New York Cruz is mathematicly eliminated.
Trump needs 120-130 delegates ( unless something big changed ) to eliminate Cruz. So Wisconsin and New York alone won’t do it.
That isnt what I’ve read but haven’t done math myself. Cruz is mathematically eliminated when 100% of remaining delegates plus delegates he already has is less than 1237. That is only indirectly related to Trump winning a certain number of more delegates.
Let’s see if I can rephrase that. the remaining delegate pool needs to fall by 120-130 delegates without giving any to Cruz for Cruz to be eliminated. The only way for that to happen is if Trump or Kasich win 120-130 more delegates. I’m betting Kasich isn’t getting any more delegates.
So Trump has to win 120-130 to eliminate Cruz. PS: That does not mean Trump gets the majority, just that Cruz cannot.
PPS: Well at least this is one thread Ragspierre won’t be responding to. Otherwise he would have to take off his shoes.
so here is the math – I used Green Papers as my source only on getting to 1237.
Trump has 752 pledged or hard delegates (808 hard delegates remaining)
Cruz has 463 pledged or hard delegates (808 hard delegates remaining)
Trump needs 60% of the remaining hard delegates.
Cruz needs 96% of the remaining hard delegates.
Wisconsin has 42 hard delegates available.
If Trump wins all, then Trump would need 58% of the remaining hard delegates
Cruz would then need 101% of the remaining hard delegates
NY has 95 hard delegates available
If Cruz wins all of Wisconsin’s hard delegates;
AND Trump wins all of NY’s 95 hard delegates,
Trump has 847 hard delegates and needs 58% of the remaining hard delegates
Cruz has 505 hard delegates and needs 109% of the remaining hard delegates
I use hard or pledged delegates because the unpledged delegates are wildcards. If they stay with the winning candidate then these numbers change.
These are guesstimates but, assuming they hold, Trump wins Wisconsin, Cruz is eliminated. Cruz wins Wisconsin but Trump wins NY, then Cruz is eliminated
It may not work exactly like that but it does appear that Wisconsin is make or break for Cruz.
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/R-PU.phtml
(note Green Papers removed a few pledged delegates from each total this week)
This is just a guideline. Sorry for the long post.
If Cruz loses Wisconsin and also loses the majority of the delegates, his path to the nomination on the first ballot will have essentially ended. This does NOT mean Trump will secure the nomination though. He still has to get to 1237.
For the Cruz campaign, Wisconsin should be their maximum effort. Then of course, if these become split decision contests then this calculation has to be re-done.
Thanks Philly !
Prior to Arizona I read that based on expected outcomes in remaining states that if Trump wins Arizona, New York, and California he goes over 1237. He has won Arizona, New York seems like a lock and he has low double digit lead in California.
Once Cruz is mathematically eliminated his last remaining argument to voters that he is only one who can beat trump goes away. He essentially is Kasich at that point.
Actually he has been effectively Kasich for a while now but the media has been carrying him.
One other point. Cruz has majority of delegates in 5 states. He is never going to hit the 8 state rule. So under current rules he will not qualify to have his name placed in nomination.
I haven’t checked your math yet, but I think there is a mistake in logic.
The magic number for Cruz elimination would be:
1237-outstanding delegates-hard delegates-soft delegates.
It’s not enough to just count the hard delegates because all of the soft delegates may go to Cruz.
Sorry, my equation is off by a minus sign. 🙂
It should be:
outstanding delegates+hard delegates+soft delegates-1237
and yes you have to count the uncommited/soft delegates. They can vote for Cruz on the first round. They are the GOPs version of Superdelegates.
So with the latest numbers from GP.
808+465+106-1237=142
Your way: 36.
Come to think of it both numbers are correct: if the soft delegates want both Trump and Cruz to lose and abstain or vote for Kasich, then the magic number is 36 ( call it the soft magic number ); if the soft delegates want Cruz to win over Trump then the magic number is 142 ( call it the hard magic number ).
Since the soft delegates are GOPe, the soft magic number is more realistic and Cruz is effectively eliminated with 36 more Trump delegates.
However, for Trump to get up and say “Cruz has been eliminated, he should step down” it should really be 142.
Oh you could definitely quibble with my math and assumptions because there are multiple scenarios. I only used the committeds or hard delegates because there is speculation they won’t stay with Cruz or Trump after the first ballot.
Plus Wisconsin is winner-take-all but only by district not statewide. NY is winner-take-all if the winner exceeds 50%. Then there is that delegate issue in Louisiana and Massachusetts which are troubling for Trump.
My net takeaway is that Cruz is realistically not competing for a first ballot win any longer since the primary calendar turns to states that favor Trump.
What do I think will happen? Cruz wins slightly more delegates than Trump in Wisconsin and Trump sweeps all 95 in NY. The following week is the Big East primary which will end the Cruz first ballot viability. As I have said before, Cruz is now simply a stalking horse to deny delegates to Trump. He will not be the nominee.
There is no evidence that Donald Trump or the Trump campaign had anything to do with the Ted Cruz story. In fact, as the “Thing” has been bandied about in journalistic circles, for the last three months, it is unlikely that it was INVENTED as a response to the attack against Trump, through his wife, by the SuperPAC supporting Ted Cruz. The source(s) for the story are not known as yet. Rumors have indicated that Pierson may be one source, but she has denied that and the denial has some credibility as she is one of the women allegedly involved in these affairs. Now, as Thing has been be-bopping around journalistic circles since before Super Tuesday, and as Trump does not really need to attack Ted Cruz, in this manner to win, it is much more likely that the story was circulated by supporters of one of the other candidates, to hamstring Cruz, prior to Super Tuesday. Whether there is any truth to this story or not is not known, at this time.
Now this election is going to get really dirty, before it is over. The GOPe has to stop Trump from hitting the magic number before the convention. If he makes 1237, then the RNC has to draft rules to disallow the majority candidate from gaining the nomination. This would essential destroy the party. So, they will do anything that they can to destroy him as a candidate. This will include vicious personal attacks against Trump and his family. Trump, is not a member of the political class. If he loses the nomination, he will simply go back to being a successful businessman. So, he will likely respond to any personal attack upon himself or his family in a very vicious manner. And, he knows how to play those cards. The 800# gorilla in the room is that such actions against Trump would also damage him in a contest with the Democrat nominee.
You seem confused, Mac45.
Does this look like a courtroom to you?
From the National Enquirer website:
And the new issue of The National ENQUIRER — on newsstands now — reveals how the reports say the staunch Republican is hiding FIVE different mistresses!
“Private detectives are digging into at least five affairs Ted Cruz supposedly had,” claimed a Washington insider.
“The leaked details are an attempt to destroy what’s left of his White House campaign!”
So there are REPORTS about AFFAIRS BEING RESEARCHED THAT TED CRUZ SUPPOSEDLY HAD – AS CLAIMED BY A WASHINGTON INSIDER!
Wow, a not-so-well researched case against the only honest and moral candidate in the Presidential race who just happens to be the only conservative.
There is simply no lie too big for Trump to tell or spread. Narcissism can be such a terrible personality disorder. Sick 70 year-olds should be disqualified to run for President and Trump could be in the early stages of dementia. Hey, I can make a case for it! I just do not have a Supermarket Rag to print it in.
Private detectives are digging into ……
This means this is an ongoing fishing expedition with only the allegation as proof. This means the “Ally of Rubio” plausible deniability is debunked as Rubio has suspended his suspended his campaign 11 days ago.
Whenever I think of private detectives and politics, I think of the 1993-2001 Clinton years. I think of people like Anthony Pellicano who was hired by Hillary to fix problems. Any guesses who else is also a friend of David Pecker?
Yep, Bill and Hillary Clinton.
The worm turns ……
Where is the part about the beans being spilled about Katrina by Trump supporters?
Read this 3X. Missed it.
Clearly this site is anti Trump and clearly you do not have the facts.
This site is pro logic, reason, and truth and hence anti-Trump by default. Take your kooky conspiracy theories back to the alt-right blogs and stay there.
Your logic, reason and truth must be awfully weak and shaky if you feel the need to try and suppress contrary ideas and truths through the censorship of banishment.
You, Zachary and others act like the protectors of a religious cult afraid and terrified of the blasphemors. They must be driven out so no one may hear their blasphemy.
Your behaviour is the opposite of someone who truly believes in logic, reason and truth. Your behaviour is that of a person ruled by blind faith devoid of logic, reason and truth.
“Mercyneal since you are clearly suffering from selective outrage based on your political point of view (just like the liberal snowflakes in colleges). Perhaps instead of seeking selective censorship of thoughts you don’t like youvshould just run to bed before you melt.”
You just lose your mind. A lot. Often. Frequently. Pretty much all the time.
Gave you an upvote for posting something so unintentionally hilarious.
Yes, but LI isn’t just politics.. You have to take the good parts, and move past the bothersome bits…
Did Ted Cruz say he was ineligible to be president?
http://politics.blog.mystatesman.com/2015/03/02/cruz-controlled-on-teds-cpac-setback/
Deb Leticia Gordils, a CPAC regular who is state chairwoman of the Illinois National Republican Assembly and publisher of El Sueño Americano, a conservative Spanish-language paper, met Cruz at a small Chicago fundraiser when he was running against Dewhurst.
“I said to him — on my bucket list, one day I hope to work for the first Latino president of the United States in Washington, D.C. — so I looked right at him and I said, ‘I believe someday you might be that guy.’ He looked back at me and he chuckled, ‘I wasn’t born in America … I was born in Canada.’ We laughed about it.”
Sorry. I thought I made the quote italic not bold.
Shocker: Trump is attacked first through an attack on his wife and responds in an even uglier fashion, as he has done since the beginning. Trump should not have gone there with Mrs. Cruz. Will he apologize? Never. Again, shocker. Who is the candidate that you believe will help you? If you are struggling over job issues, you want a president who will rectify the situation. If you fear for the safety of your country, you are looking for a candidate who you believe exudes strength. If you are more on the idealistic side, then you are going to look for the candidate who you believe meets your ideals most closely. You are likely more financially secure, do not have a strong connection to the military, or have not been personally harmed by illegal immigration. Trump or Cruz is not Hillary.
Not so fast there pardner ……
Let’s not forget that as soon as Trump entered this race, he became the aggressor. He attacked the fecklessness of the GOP leadership, which raised cheers to all of us who believed the same thing.
Then he began to attack his fellow candidates; especially the better funded and the ones who were polling ahead of Trump. Those who fought back or took on Trump were overwhelmed. Carson became a victim of the Stockholm Syndrome and now has become a Trump apologist.
However, as the field narrowed, the attacks became more pronounced. Instead of focusing on policy, Trump began to moniker his opponents as “Little Marco” and Lying Ted”.
However, as Cruz continues to cut into Trump’s lead, Trump initiated contact by claiming a pro-Cruz PAC (which in reality is an Anti-Trump PAC) attacked his wife. When challenged by Cruz, Trump responded with a tweet of an unflattering picture of Heidi Cruz. This backfired, as Trump’s negatives among women rose to 67%-73%.
Then out of nowhere, a story comes out that alleges Cruz has 5 mistresses. Allegedly, this came from an “ally of Rubio”, but instead of shopping this to the mainstream media, the only media outlets this was shown to was Breitbart and the National Enquirer; both pro-Trump outlets.
Of course, the Trumpets will clamor why would Trump even go nuclear in a reckless manner. The answer lies in Trump’s 1990 Playboy interview; the same interview Trump was questioned by Jake Tapper concerning Tianenmen Square and the use of power (sidenote–when you read the interview it is obvious that he thought the Chinese did the right thing and why Gorbachev was weak–yes, Trump lied to Tapper).
Here is the section of the interview where Trump talks about the use of Nuclear weapons:
What would be some of President Trump’s longer-term views of the future?
I think of the future, but I refuse to paint it. Anything can happen. But I often think of nuclear war.
Nuclear war?
I’ve always thought about the issue of nuclear war; it’s a very important element in my thought process. It’s the ultimate, the ultimate catastrophe, the biggest problem this world has, and nobody’s focusing on the nuts and bolts of it. It’s a little like sickness. People don’t believe they’re going to get sick until they do. Nobody wants to talk about it. I believe the greatest of all stupidities is people’s believing it will never happen, because everybody knows how destructive it will be, so nobody uses weapons. What bullshit.
Does any of that fuzzy thinking exist around the Trump office?
On a much lower level, I would never hire anybody who thinks that way, because he has absolutely no common sense. He’s living in a world of make-believe. It’s like thinking the Titanic can’t sink. Too many countries have nuclear weapons; nobody knows where they’re all pointed, what button it takes to launch them. The bomb Harry Truman dropped on Hiroshima was a toy next to today’s. We have thousands of weapons pointed at us and nobody even knows if they’re going to go in the right direction. They’ve never really been tested. These jerks in charge don’t know how to paint a wall, and we’re relying on them to shoot nuclear missiles to Moscow. What happens if they don’t go there? What happens if our computer systems aren’t working? Nobody knows if this equipment works, and I’ve seen numerous reports lately stating that the probability is they don’t work. It’s a total mess.
And how would President Trump handle it?
He would believe very strongly in extreme military strength. He wouldn’t trust anyone. He wouldn’t trust the Russians; he wouldn’t trust our allies; he’d have a huge military arsenal, perfect it, understand it. Part of the problem is that we’re defending some of the wealthiest countries in the world for nothing. . . . We’re being laughed at around the world, defending Japan–
https://thecorporateculture.com/2015/playboy-interviewed-donald-trump-25-years-ago/
Trump is scary … very scary …
I’m still waiting for some cruzbot to explain a couple things I can’t get my head around.
1. How did Trump make Cruz and Amanda Carpenter get the very same tatoo on the very same day when there is nothing going on between them? Maybe Roger Stone held a gun on them? I’m sure there is some logical anti Trump conspiracy at play here but what is it?
2. How did Trump 10 years ago get Heidi Cruz to have a bizarre suicidal episode requiring police intervention? I’m quite sure it was Trump’s doing and had absolutely nothing to do with Heidi learning about Lyin Ted’s affair with the “sexy Austin school teacher” but I’m having trouble pinning down the Trump connection to this event. Any ideas?
1. How many thousand CONSERVATIVES got the same fake tatoo on the same day, moron?
2. That’s another of you infamous, stupid straw men. You set up a set of lying bullshit, and you demand an explanation for your bullshit.
There IS no explaining your bullshit. It is bullshit.
And you are a lying SOS, cultist, and Collectivist.
See? Get you crap-packed “head” around that…
I only know of Cruz and Amanda carpenter who got that tatoo on April 1. But of course April 1 is national Winston Churchill day so there must be many other people connected to Ted Cruz who got a Winston Churchill tatoo on April 1. Just list a few with links for us?
Right now only links I can find are Cruz and Amanda Carpenter. I can’t find a link to where Heidi got one on April 1. Can you help with that?
Also if you could explain the Trump connection to how he made Cruz and Amanda share these tatoos on the same day that would be appreciated.
See how you lie by immediately voting for your own bullshit?
What a sick phuc….
So you have no explanation for why o ly Cruz and Amanda got same tatoo on same day. Pity.
The report relates Mrs. Cruz was sitting with her head in her hands. That is rationally “quietly”.
You lying sack of dog feces.
The report relates she was sitting in the grass at a specific location near her home, NOT the median, as you’ve repeated lied about.
You lying sack of dog feces.
A person can be “a danger to herself” and NOT by suicidal.
You lying sack of dog feces.
Amanda was Cruz’s communications director, so she may have been involved in the publicity stunt with the Winston Churchill fake tattoo that Cruz showed on Fox & Friends on April 1st. It was a campaign move not unlike when Bill Clinton went on Arsenio and played the saxophone.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/april-fools-ted-cruz-reveals-tattoo-105240
Showing his Churchill “tattoo” on April Fools Day was a way for Cruz to show that he not only has the right conservative values but also a sense of humor.
If I were his comm director and he was getting a fake tat of Churchill to show on morning television, I’d probably go along for the fun of it. Fun people do silly things like that . . . and it doesn’t mean that they are adulterers.
The tattoo wasn’t real, and it wasn’t of hearts with their initials in them; it was a publicity stunt intended for a national audience, a publicity stunt with fake tattoos of Winston freaking Churchill.
That’s really romantic and meaningful.
You beclown yourself more and more each day, Gary.
I’m still waiting for some cruzbot to explain a couple things I can’t get my head around.
Unsurprising, but okay.
1. How did Trump make Cruz and Amanda Carpenter get the very same tatoo on the very same day when there is nothing going on between them? Maybe Roger Stone held a gun on them? I’m sure there is some logical anti Trump conspiracy at play here but what is it?
Hmmm. Do you mean a real tattoo, or a fake one? Do you have pictures?
2. How did Trump 10 years ago get Heidi Cruz to have a bizarre suicidal episode requiring police intervention? I’m quite sure it was Trump’s doing and had absolutely nothing to do with Heidi learning about Lyin Ted’s affair with the “sexy Austin school teacher” but I’m having trouble pinning down the Trump connection to this event. Any ideas?
I’m going to guess that this is sarcasm. Otherwise, you’re either retarded or insane.
It’s very odd to me that people read crackpot blogs and news sources and lap up the lies and thnk they can come to a reputable blog like this and try to peddle those stupid lies to people who actually think and reason. There is a reason April 1 is called April Fool’s Day. A police report saying Heidi Cruz was “sitting quietly” does not mean she was suicidal.
How about you think and reason out this then. The police report clearly states that she was considered to be a danger to herself as the reason for taking Heidi into custody and transporting her to police station for observation. That is police talk for the officers thought she was suicidal. The police report does not say she was sitting quietly. You haven’t read it have you. Someone sitting quietly doesn’t become the subject of numerous 911 calls reporting a suicidal woman on the expressway. The police were called out to her by motorists observing her suicidal behavior.
It isn’t I who has failed to think and reason. To see that you will need a mirror.
Yah, no you’re just lying. As you always do.
I have read the report. You lie.
Whenever Rags knows something is true but doesn’t want people to know or think it is true, then he says its a lie without giving any specifics or details about what he claims is a lie. Because the only lie is his.
So you are saying that Cruz and Amanda decided to fake having a relationship by getting matching tatoos for April fools day. Did you think and reason that out all by yourself?
(…psst…Gari…butt boi…nobody cares about your bullshit… It’s Easter…you’re drunk…go home…)
So you have nothing. So much for the vaunted think and reason crowd.
This is all just a smokescreen anyway. Trump is trying to deflect attention from the Pam Bondi bribe, which he calls a donation although even a donation would be illegal, from the Trump Foundation which probably hasn’t been reported on the crackpot blogs. Why don’t you ‘splain that one with your thinking and reasonng ability.
Don’t forget his $125K payout (in 3 installments) to Rick Scott’s PAC. Poor Rubio really did not have a chance to win FL, yet, his ally attacks Cruz.
While the usual suspects demand answers about fake tattoos, these (more serious) questions go unanswered.
I’m not familiar with the facts of the Pam Bondi thing. Do you have a link?
I am familiar with how John Edwards was charged with a felony for using PAC money to try and cover up an affair first reported by the National Enquirer.
Now we have Cruz paying $500,000 to Carly Fiorina PAC when that payment made no sense at all to anyone and now we learn that Fiorina’s campaign manager is one of the Cruz mistresses and this payment starts to look like a John Edwards felony hush money payment.
#CubanMistressCrisis
OF COURSE you’ve never HEARD of the Pam Bondi thing!
You live in the T-rump cult bubble where you CANNOT HEAR heresy against your little yellow god!
But you should get on that whole “Cruz bribe thingy” and file a law suit, or see if you can get one of the Corrupt-0-crat phucs there in the Austin deemocrat elite to file criminal charges.
I mean, what else are you doing today?
Maybe you SHOULD wait until your Federal suit challenging the Cruz eligibility is at least FILED.
You poor, stupid, lying SOS. There really is no depravity you will not sink to, is there?
Enlighten me about the Edwards matter. I find it fascinating you would know about Edwards and nothing about Bondi or Scott.
I understand some TX lawyers were involved ……
Amanda Carpenter one of the women Ted boinked, works at CNN.
It was CNN that started both the rumors that Carson was leaving the race, and that Rubio was leaving the race.
Hmmmmmm.
Oooh! And CNN was founded by Ted Turner, and Turner, whose first name is TED (no coincidence there!), was supposedly once expelled from college because he had a woman in his room. Amanda Carpenter is a WOMAN!
hmmmm
I have got to say the tortured logic, the lack of any intellectual curiosity, where allegations without real evidence is reality, and constant libel per se (any false statement about another which accuses a person of a crime, immoral acts, inability to perform their profession, having a loathsome disease or dishonesty in business. Such claims are considered so obviously harmful that malice need not be proved to obtain a judgment for “general damages,” and not just specific losses) are the hallmarks of the Trumpets.
There is not any attempt to even discuss political issues and events in good faith. It is either you put up with their bully tactics or sink to their level. They have no interest in the truth.
(Personal note to Ragspierre–Abe Lincoln used to say, never fight a pig in the mud …… the pig loves it and you get dirty. PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS ANYMORE.
Their job is to perpetuate chaos, which as the good professor has proven to my satisfaction to be Trump’s M.O..)
BTW, what ever happened to the money raised for the Wounded Warriors fundraiser that Trump held in lieu of attending the IA debate? How much was raised and when did the Wounded Warriors Project get their money?
To date Bupkiss ….
I had completely forgotten about my scrapbook of T-rumpian comments that I had been keeping prior to the Texas primary for conversion into NOT crazy voters for Cruz.
I have to keep several of these for the general.
Wholly crap… Nobody would believe me if I just told them.
Donald Trump to participate in child mutilation!
This report just in. Donald Trump to be an observer at some sort of ritual mutilation of a young child by the name of Theodore James Kushner sometime in the near future.