Trump Handles Iowa Loss as Well as Expected
Trump’s “fraud” laden rant
Watching the votes trickle in from Iowa’s Caucus Monday night, I suggested a second-place finish for Trump would be an unenjoyable experience for us all:
Lord help us all. Trump not winning, when half of his platform is “look at me beating everyone in the polls!” will make him insufferable.
— Kemberlee Kaye (@KemberleeKaye) February 2, 2016
Less than 48 hours later, Trump had a meltdown for the history books. He accused Sen. Ted Cruz (who won 27.6% of the vote to Trump’s 24.3%) of “stealing” the Iowa Caucus.
Ted Cruz didn’t win Iowa, he stole it. That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 3, 2016
Trump referenced the kerfuffle between the Cruz and Carson campaigns as evidence of Cruz’s “fraud.” In actuality, CNN reported Carson would be leaving Iowa (and he was), Cruz’s campaign circulated the news to its caucus goers, who were instructed to inform their respective voters.
When CNN’s report went live, Carson’s campaign said he was returning home for “fresh clothes.” Adorable if true. But, someone from Camp Carson had to give the network the impression Carson was on his way out.
See here:
After the #IAcaucus, @RealBenCarson plans to take a break from campaigning https://t.co/hTJA5XI7NN https://t.co/GqExX4ujv2
— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) February 2, 2016
Here:
Dr. Ben Carson will NOT be going directly to NH or SC, but instead will head home in Florida to rest, see family regardless of Iowa outcome.
— Nia-Malika Henderson (@niaCNN) February 2, 2016
And here:
BREAKING: @moody has learned @realbencarson will return to FL following #IAcaucus, will not go to either NH or SC https://t.co/jl8NOY9KEx
— The Lead CNN (@TheLeadCNN) February 2, 2016
CNN reporter Chris Moody also reported:
Ben Carson will likely speak at his victory party in Iowa before caucus results are in so he can catch a flight.
— Chris Moody (@moody) February 2, 2016
Carson won’t go to NH/SC, but instead will head home to Florida for some R&R. He’ll be in DC Thursday for the National Prayer Breakfast.
— Chris Moody (@moody) February 2, 2016
Ben Carson’s campaign tells me he plans to stay in the race beyond Iowa no matter what the results are tonight.
— Chris Moody (@moody) February 2, 2016
A big story? Hardly. Simply politics and it ain’t always pretty.
During primetime of the Iowa Caucus, Cruz put out a release that @RealBenCarson was quitting the race, and to caucus (or vote) for Cruz.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 3, 2016
Many people voted for Cruz over Carson because of this Cruz fraud. Also, Cruz sent out a VOTER VIOLATION certificate to thousands of voters.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 3, 2016
Point for the voter violation mailers which were in poor taste. I mean, nothing says “limited government candidate” like leveraging public data to intimidate voters. But I digress.
The Voter Violation certificate gave poor marks to the unsuspecting voter(grade of F) and told them to clear it up by voting for Cruz. Fraud
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 3, 2016
And finally, Cruz strongly told thousands of caucusgoers (voters) that Trump was strongly in favor of ObamaCare and “choice” – a total lie!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 3, 2016
Fact check: Does it smell like something’s burning? Because YOUR PANTS ARE ON FIRE.
Did Trump say he would “repeal and replace” Obamacare? Yes. He also said he’d replace Obamacare with something the government will pay for… Universal Health Care.
Record Republican turnout? Meh. Sen. Cruz received more votes than any candidate in Iowa Caucus history? Double meh. Trump wants those votes nullified!
Based on the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz during the Iowa Caucus, either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 3, 2016
The State of Iowa should disqualify Ted Cruz from the most recent election on the basis that he cheated- a total fraud!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 3, 2016
Trump is toying with filing suit over the Iowa Caucus results. BuzzFeed reported earlier:
Donald Trump says he will probably sue over the results of the Iowa caucuses, accusing Ted Cruz of committing voter fraud to win.
In an interview on Boston Herald Radio on Wednesday, Trump criticized the Cruz campaign for spreading a CNN report saying Ben Carson would not travel to New Hampshire and South Carolina after the Iowa caucuses, suggesting Carson was getting out of the race. Cruz apologized to Carson on Tuesday for his campaign not sending out updates that Carson was doing laundry and not dropping out.
“One of the most disgusting things I’ve ever seen. They said he was quitting the race and to vote for him,” said Trump.
Asked if he would sue, Trump said, “I probably will; what he did is unthinkable. He said the man has left the race and he said it during the caucus. And then when the clarification was put out by Ben Carson saying it’s untrue, they got the statement and they didn’t put it out.”
Sarah Palin, who recently endorsed Trump, jumped on the “Cruz stole Iowa” bandwagon this afternoon, posting a lengthy rant to her public Facebook page:
Dirty Politics: Witnessing Firsthand It’s Always Heartbreaking, Never SurprisingThank heavens Donald Trump opened so…
Posted by Sarah Palin on Wednesday, February 3, 2016
Maybe 2014 Trump was on to something:
“No one remembers who came in second.” – Walter Hagen
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 17, 2014
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Sarah Palin and Dr Carson both think Cruz is a liar and acted improperly in Iowa.
Cruz has those insane #GlennBeckValues
You lost. Get over it.
You know, I would have regained a slight amount of respect for Trump had he left it at the speech he gave the night of. Turned it around and used positive energy in NH. But then he reminds us all why he’s such an unlikable and a truly ‘nasty’ person. Nobody likes a whiner, much less a sore loser.
But sure, enjoy your ‘anti-establishment’ candidate. Bob Dole saywha?!
…grievers Sarah Palin and Dr. Carson give their final thoughts…on DJ Teamster.
Cruz was right. Sarah Palin is sullying her brand name by supporting Trump. And the Rubio campaign did the same thing, but he isn’t getting heat for it.
Give it a rest.
I have looked at the results from every county in Iowa. If anyone benefited from the rumors, which began with a tweet about schedules from someone in the Carson campaign, it was Rubio.
Cruz’s support was remarkably consistent across the state. Regardless of whether the county was urban, suburban or rural, Cruz never placed lower than third in any on the 99 counties. Rubio won five counties, all of them among the ten largest in terms of population in Iowa. Rubio also placed fourth or fifth always to Dr. Carson, in 10 of Iowa’s 99 counties. All of thos4e counties were small and rural.
Trump crapped out in the five largest counties in Iowa, most often finishing third. He also finished third and even forth in some small rural counties. Trump’s base was in the small rust belt cities along the Mississippi and Missouri rivers. Those Mississippi river towns have long been deep blue harbor of left wing activism.
Nice analysis.
WE REJECT YOUR FACTS AND REPLACE THEM WITH EMOTION.
I think folks should read the actual statement the Cruz campaign put out before popping off. You can see it here: http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-debunks-this-entire-clown-show-that-is-the-cruzcarson-nontroversy/
If you don’t want to click, here’s a direct quote: “Breaking news. The press is reporting that Dr. Ben Carson is taking time off from the campaign trail after Iowa and making a big announcement next week.”
Cruz never said in this release that Carson was dropping out. One could certainly wonder if that was what was happening and the video/tweets/posts from CNN at the time certainly speculated about that.
Cruz didn’t “lie.” He passed on the information which, by the way, came straight from the Carson campaign.
Well, it looks like the Rubio boosters have done a fine job of stirring up the pot between Carson/Cruz/Trump supporters to the point of victory for Rubio. Congrats, Establishment.
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This will be WAY bigger than the Donald Ducks debate episode on the list of immense mistakes this poor, pathological man-child will be impelled by his fragile ego to make.
If he weren’t a fraud and a liar, I’d be more sympathetic.
But he is both, so it’s schadenfreude-tastic…!!!!
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Ted Cruz didn’t win Iowa, he stole it. That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!
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Carson got more votes that expected too. So Carson would have done even better? I mean a lot better for all of the extra Cruz votes to have gone to Carson to the point where Trump would have won.
Didn’t Rubio also do better than expected?
So Cruz did better, Carson did better, and Rubio did better.
Yes, most of us read Instapundit. Try to be original.
The cry babies are trying to make sure that if they aren’t the Pachyderms choice, no one can be
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“Trump’s “fraud” laden rant”
The Sound and Fury of gas leaving a big balloon…or buffoon, your choice.
And I expect as that very last bit of gas escapes, a vulgar noise will issue forth upon the land.
…and the stench will be unbearable.
Here’s Ben Carson today at the National Press Club on how Cruz and his campaign lied about him dropping out of the race, distorted the information and cost him votes.
Ben Carson press conference today on Cruz fraud.
http://www.press.org/news-multimedia/videos/ben-carson-speaks-national-press-club
Some excerpts:
Know people by what they do, not what they say. Candidates should be judged by those standards.
People tried to take advantage and distort information.
Cruz said he didn’t know about it. We’ll have to wait and see what he does.
It’s obvious his campaign was aware.
Carson says his wife was at a precinct and a Cruz surrogate spoke and said Carson was dropping out. Carson’s wife stood up and said that wasn’t true. Carson says he won that precinct.
Carson also says the misinformation caused him to lose voters.
Why didn’t Carson just go buy some new shirts and pants rather than fly home to Florida “for a change of clothes.”Buying clothes in Iowa would have been a whole lot cheaper than a same day ticket to Florida.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/03/ted-cruz-wont-punish-staffer-spreading-carson-rumor/
Time to judge Cruz and his insincere apology to Carson.
Carson gets a chance to see why nobody likes Cruz.
Also Rush Limbaugh says Trump claiming fraud shows Trump has balls, is a fighter, and definitely not an establishment puke.
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/02/03/limbaugh-trump-calling-fraud-on-the-iowa-caucuses-proof-trump-not-a-typical-gop-establishment-candidate/
Poor Gaghdad Bob.
His man-crush is a LOSER. Proven and known now.
He’s also disgraced himself as a disgusting, Al Gore-level, WHINING loser.
So Gaghdad Bob refers us to lying points from Trumpbart, which VERY selectively cite to ANYTHING good Rush had to say today about Donald Ducks.
And this is the same Limbaugh who assured us that Rubio is a solid conservative just yesterday…
Pooooorrrrrr Gaghdad Bob. Trump sucking has to bamage one’s drain…
Now, really read Kemberlee’s story with the time-line.
Get back to us later.
According to this Carson bullshit, his potential voters are gullible idiots who don’t have cell phones and were overcome by the Svengali-like Cruz voters.
Please…
We judge by what you put out there, candidate Carson. You let this go. You didn’t have people monitoring the chatter. Didn’t you have a list so you could text all your supporters at once? A simple “I’m still in this race!!!!” text would have stopped the rumor.
Considering your behavior, insisting on whining about how you lost, I would say you haven’t the character you claim you have. You are disqualifying yourself.
Some observations I’ve not seen or heard yet elsewhere.
So, Ms. Carson allegedly stood and refuted info re her husband quitting the race. (Carson did not mention this detail in prior interview, only that his wife was well received by the crowd there). What about at other precincts? Were no other Carson surrogates willing to correct the erroneous info allegedly announced by Cruz people during their presentation?
Did Dr or Ms. Carson or any of their campaign team inquire of the source of the disputed info before going out and creating a “Hands Up Don’t Shoot” style meme? Seems easy enough to ascribe to CNN televised announcement and tweets. And did not CNN receive the breaking news from Carson’s campaign team? If not, who else would communicate the doctors “unusual” travel plans to the media and be taken as a reliable source? The news item was fed to CNN by Carson’s people and related in such a way as to raise questions in any reasonable person’s mind about his seriousness and commitment to this endeavor.
I recall reading earlier this year, early Jan., Carson’s NH campaign team quit en masse. The reason the manager cited was Dr. Carson’s seeming lack of interest, evidenced by unavailability to make visits to the state. The paid team members said they had become weary of having to make excuses to the voters for his no show and that they had been his only ground game while other campaigns were more active. Some of these people actually DID go over to work for Cruz.
Last year, there were other upsets and contentious dealings when Carson’s campaign chief (I think his name was Bennett) left and went to Trump as an “unpaid consultant”. And then there was wrankeling with two of his super pacs about money. And of course, Dr. Carson did take a hiatus to focus upon his book tour last year as well. Again, these events and behaviors are inconsistent with one who is a serious contender for the White House.
Finally, the last detailed poll published before caucus night included data which identified Rubio as having the highest rating of all candidates for “second choice”. Given Marco’s rather remarkable showing vote-wise, seems Carson supporters may have been easy pickin’s for him as much if not more so than for Ted. In any case, the doctor’s response is in poor form.
How many people have come forward to say they intended to caucus for Carson but switched to Cruz because the Cruz campaign told them to? I’ve only heard Carson supporters say they believed he was still in the race.
It is likely that Trump will come up with some who will say that.
I’m sure his money can.
Caucuses are public, so if someone comes forward saying they switched from Carson to Cruz because of the reports, there are witnesses that can collaborate or refute that.
Oops, typo. *Corroborate*
You had it right the first time.
Interesting that Cruz is being blamed for what the Media started. Cruz supporters did what most people would have done when the Media said a candidate was dropping out.
I suspect Trump is just mad because he didn’t think of it.
Exactly
I’m afraid you have the facts wrong. The CNN report does NOT say Carson was suspending campaign. Nor does it say Carson was quiting the race. Cruz and his people took the CNN report and said to themselves we can use tbis report to lie to voters at the caucus and tell them Carson is suspending his campaign and to vote for Cruz. Then if they get caught telling their lies and committing voter fraud they will lie and claim they were just confusex by CNN story.
You know I expect washington politicians to be liars, but it is a different level of Jimmy Swaggert style offense when someone giving speeches about their holier than thou christian faith and giving all glory to god turns out to be just another lying hypocrite washington politician.
Cruz and his people spent two days before election and every day since election lying aboutcSarah Palin, then the del8berately lie in person to the faces of voters at caucus sites to trick them into voting for Cruz not Carson.
Cruz continues to lie about this since the election. The day is going to come when Carson gets out of race and when he does he will NOT endorse Cruz and he will ask his supporters to support some candidate other than Cruz.
I used to think Cruz would be my second choice after Trump but his Jimmy Swaggert holy roller capaigning in Iowa combined with him showing he is an unrepentent liar willing to say or do anything for power has me reconsidering. I may have to give Rubio a serious second choice look since I don’t see any differences between Cr7z and Rubio on the issues. Only Trump has immigration and trade agreements correct.
I actually love it when you pretend to be all soft-mouthed, but you’re really just telling your MOST vile lies…!!!
I think it’s a laugh-riot that you imagine you’ll fool anyone, or get away with this kind of apparent subterfuge!
You never have.
You’re a bigot, Britt. Being a bigot is not a Christian or Conservative value. It is a brownshirt value.
Rags is an insane liar who follows me around like a retarded puppy dog and then soils himself whenever I post something to other people.
I actually love it when you pretend to be all soft-mouthed, but you’re really just telling your MOST vile lies…!!!
I think it’s a laugh-riot that you imagine you’ll fool anyone, or get away with this kind of apparent subterfuge!
You never have.
You’re a bigot, Britt. Being a bigot is not a Christian or Conservative value. It is a brownshirt value.
The TWEETS by “reporters” BEFORE the caucus did claim Dr. Carson was dropping out.
Where are these tweets? I didn’t see any above that say Carson quit campaign or was suspending campaign.
RTFA
“BREAKING: @moody has learned @realbencarson will return to FL following #IAcaucus, will not go to either NH or SC
Will not go to either NH or SC. Sure sounds like he is quitting to me.
Gary, I think what you’re finding here is that when it comes to Trump, many people leave their objectivity at the door. They have an insatiable need to analyze and critique Trump and point out how dumb anyone defending Trump is, but conveniently forget how to use those skills when it comes to Pure Conservative® Ted Cruz.
Look I like Cruz well enough and will vote for him if he’s the nominee. But he IS, without question, the Republicans’ Obama. A guy we are supporting based upon his intentions and stated principles, not his actual accomplishments.
I won’t deny that if Cruz is elected prez and behaves just like Obama but with a conservative agenda and conservative policies, I will be enjoying some serious schadenfreude watching liberals writhe in agony. But it’ll probably damage the country even more with deeper divisiveness.
Wrong!
Obama’s 2008 campaign pronouncements flew directly into the teeth of his documented record both as an elected politician and his personal friendships with the likes of far left radicals like Bill Ayers and perncious black supremacists like Jeremiah Wright.
Document similar inconsistencies in the background of Ted Cruz. I can documents reams of them in the past of Donald Trump.
Mountain girl, I hear what you are saying, but you are referring to what we, Obama’s critics, saw in his background. Wherein all the red flags were there.
I am talking about how Democrats and Liberals saw him & voted for him: a candidate that was decidedly far, far left in his stated principles and intentions, but with virtually no record of achievement of those principles (apart from his far left voting record).
I know we hate to admit it, and even I wish it weren’t so, but it is exactly the same with Cruz.
If you are saying that Ted Cruz is the Republican’s Obama and meaning he is the antidote to Obama’s Progressive poison then I would agree.
You have quite the imagination.
Once again, Gary, you have the facts wrong. Read what the Cruz campaign put out – the statement only said that Carson was leaving Iowa for Florida and was making a big announcement next week. It said NOTHING about Carson quitting or suspending his campaign. There was no lie.
15 minutes or so after Carson put out statement correcting inference from CNN report Cr7z staffer Rogers sent instructions to Cruz precinct captains to lie about Carson.
Bull. Prove it. You can post unsubstantiated allegations all you like, but it doesn’t make them true. Post one single piece of evidence that anyone with the Cruz campaign instructed supporters to lie. Post it or slink away…
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/01/politics/ben-carson-home-florida-iowa-caucuses/index.html
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/boom-karl-rove-explains-how-cruz-camps-cheating-stole-iowa-from-trump-video/
Those stories prove nothing. There is no evidence in there at all that Cruz directed supporters to lie and say Carson was quitting. The actual email is out there. You won’t acknowledge it and neither will the media. I’m having trouble believing you are an attorney, given your allergy to actual facts, evidence, and logic.
Given that Dr. Carson seems to truly be a good, sincere, well meaning, gentle man, and Donald Trump is a loud-mouth bully, I can not imagine a Carson supporter switching to the Donald.
Carson holds a meeting at the press club! I can understand him being upset on the night, and the next morning, but what he is doing now smacks of campaign strategy.
I’ve read that he is now trying to raise money off of this.
Kinda scary how so many folks are rarin’ to replace one petulant little man with another. Is this the best we can do?
Let me see if I have everything.
Record turnout in Iowa. Check
Carson received more votes than expected. Check
Rubio received more votes than expected. Check
Cruz received more votes than expected. Check
Trump received the number of votes as expected. Check
It appears to me that the voters in Iowa turned out to make sure that Trump DIDN’T WIN. All of the rest of this crap is just noise and ego pumping.
Cruz: “…a Trumper-tantrum”
Exxxxxxxcellent…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_crvGziPn3g
An interesting question that just came to mind. More people in America hate Trump than just about any other public figure. Will we see record numbers of voters in all of the primaries as people go to the polls to make sure that Trump loses? It appears that is what happened in Iowa. Only time will tell.
Donald Trump had a short but to the point concession speech. We finished second, and I want to tell you something: I’m just honored. I’m really honored. And I want to congratulate Ted, and I want to congratulate all of the incredible candidates, including Mike Huckabee, who has become a really good friend of mine,”
Now, what happened to change that point of view? Why is everyone blaming Donald Trump and not even considering the remotest possibility that there was a some deliberate confusion at the caucus? That is excusable, griping about it is not.
Your comment makes sense until you try and save Trump from himself. You are correct that he actually looked and acted like a gentleman and an adult. But just 24 hours later he is back to the ME, ME, ME, exaggerating hyperbole laden Trump we have learned to expect when the chips are down.
Nope, I just believe that Donald swallowed his pride that night, and walked out, and then when he heard about the shenanigans that went on, well he got pissed. If that whole stunt was planned and executed by the Cruz campaign, maybe its a good thing he(Rafael) showed his colors. My own husband was leaning towards Cruz, but not any more. Not after that.
What changed was that Trump reverted to type.
Although not as serious this reminds me of the old saying to “Die well”. That means that when the chips are down and there is no way out to do the honorable thing for your survivors who will remember those final moments for the rest of their lives. Carson and even more so Trump are showing that any honor in them is only as deep as the next headline and their supporters are left with two whiny losers.
Let’s start a betting pool on when Trump calls Cruz a racist for “cheating” Carson.
Hint: Trump will NOT say it directly. Too much of a coward. Trump will claim “people are talking, saying Cruz is a racist. Is he? I don’t know, but people are talking….”
I had prematurely considered myself incapable of respecting Trump any less. Wrong.
Yep. He’s the prince of the passive-aggressive back-stab. As I noted before.
There are STILL idiots here who will swear his birther attack on Cruz was well-intended!
I am constantly amazed at how gullible people are…
Cruz is dirty.
There was nothing on CNN about a special announcement. Cruz’s ppl made that up. And when CNN clarified, Cruz didn’t correct their campaign’s mistake.
Cruz could have fired the guy. Things were hectic & his lieutenant made a bad call, But he stands by the guy, which makes him guilty too.
The apology to Carson was transparently insincere.
Cruz is lying about a lot of other things too, like not taking money from lobbyists or getting the support of the establishment (fact Mitch McConnell’s SuperPAC is running ads for Cruz today and every day this week on the Rush Limbaugh show).
The Underwear Gnome theory of the 2016 Iowa caucuses…WITH a troupe of straw men as Greek chorus…
1. Carson said he was going home to Florida
2. something
3. Cruz won the election by cheating
PLUS, an outright lie about a McConnell/Cruz connection by a true idiot.
Ah, well. This is what makes conspiracy theories so common….
What’s so hard to understand?
Carson’s wife said that Ted’s Cruz’s rep told everybody in the auditorium that Carson was quitting.
People switched votes, which explains why votes don’t match the polling done outside of people entering the precincts.
If 4 people per precinct swapped votes, that’s the margin of victory.
And that’s dirty.
I find it incredibly funny that anyone believes entrance or exit polls. I tell the pollsters were to stick their polls, I suspect many do.
You’re saying people switched votes. PROVE it.
“If 4 people per precinct swapped votes, that’s the margin of victory.”
Not even close.
“Carson’s wife said that Ted’s Cruz’s rep told everybody in the auditorium that Carson was quitting.”
ZOMG! And then they…voted for Carson in that precinct, accord to Mrs. Carson. SO….that means…. Nothing.
“People switched votes…”
According to some apocryphal bullshit. IFFFF they did, to whom? You haven’t ONE flucking clue.
“…which explains why votes don’t match the polling done outside of people entering the precincts.”
You just have NO idea of what FACTS are, or causal relationships, huh?
“If 4 people per precinct swapped votes, that’s the margin of victory.”
That’s bullshit. Put up your numbers, buckwheat.
“And that’s dirty.”
Yes. Your lies ARE dirty.
” ‘If 4 people per precinct swapped votes, that’s the margin of victory.’
“That’s bullshit. Put up your numbers, buckwheat.”
Well, let’s go to the scoreboard…
1681 Iowa precincts * 4 people/precinct swap votes = 6,724 votes swapped
Cruz margin of victory:
Cruz 51,666
Trump 45,427
___________
6,239 votes
Since 6724 > 6239, if 4 people per precinct switched from Cruz to anyone else, Cruz would have lost.
Looks like rotten wins.
Of course when I lived in Chicago, getting 6239 more votes would not have guaranteed a victory, so there’s that, too.
ONLY if…as you AMAZINGLY TRY to do…you ASSume that ALLLLL votes flip from Cruz to T-rump!
Let’s take a MORE…I dunno…RATIONAL view.
Four voters leave Carson. One each go to another candidate.
Because the Rubio AND T-rump people had the same information from CNN. As did the Carly, Rand, Mike and Rick people.
See? It’s stupid.
“ONLY if…as you AMAZINGLY TRY to do…you ASSume that ALLLLL votes flip from Cruz to T-rump!”
Not true. As I said, every single vote that moves away from Cruz lowers his total vote count, regardless of who they go to. Even if NO votes moved to Trump, Cruz’ vote count would still lower by 6,724 votes.
Or more explicitly:
Removing 6724 votes from Cruz’ total:
51666 actual votes for Cruz – 6724 that flip away from Cruz to anyone BUT Trump = 44942 total Cruz votes left after the flipping away
Trump got 45427 votes, or 485 votes more than Cruz’ reduced total after the 4/votes per precinct move away from Cruz. Trump doesn’t need a single vote to switch from Cruz to him to win, as long as 4/precinct move away from Cruz to anyone else BUT Trump. If any votes moved from Cruz to Trump, all it would do is increase Trump’s margin of victory above 485.
So even if Trump didn’t receive a single vote flipping away from Cruz, Cruz would have lost.
“Let’s take a MORE…I dunno…RATIONAL view.
Four voters leave Carson. One each go to another candidate.”
This example has absolutely nothing to do with voters leaving Cruz, thus it’s a false comparison.
And you know what, Rags? I could engage you on the level of the “ASSume” and “RATIONAL” things. But I’m going to give you respect, even if you don’t give any to me.
Want to get respect? Then give respect. To everybody. Even people you don’t think deserve it. Whether here on LI, or anyone else in your life. In fact, give it to them even more, and you’ll get more respect, too. You get what you give. Give away good things, they will come back to you multiplied.
All the best.
Your reasoning is off. If Cruz got 4 extra votes per precinct because of cheating, they must have come from somewhere. The accusation is that extra votes came from Carson, if his voters thought he dropped out. Carson’s votes would have gone in multiple directions, and there’s no way to tell how many would’ve gone to any particular candidate. But if they split evenly between the three front runners, then it would’ve hurt Carson, but it wouldn’t have benefited any of the others relative to each other.
Hilarious and telling that people are downvoting your perfectly logical post.
“Even if Cruz cheated, it was worth it! We hate Trump!” hahahaha
Because his logic is flawed.
Who, if anyone, is claiming that 6,724 Iowa voters only voted for Cruz because they heard an unverified rumor that Carson was suspending his campaign?
Trump and someone called gulfbreeze.
“Amy in FL | February 3, 2016 at 10:18 pm
Who, if anyone, is claiming that 6,724 Iowa voters only voted for Cruz because they heard an unverified rumor that Carson was suspending his campaign?”
No one has. In rotten’s post, he introduced a hypothetical argument.
“genes | February 3, 2016 at 11:26 pm
Trump and someone called gulfbreeze.”
You infer something without proof.
I explained the math of rotten’s hypothetical argument to Ragspierre. Explaining a mathematical concept doesn’t mean you endorse it or believe it to be true.
If someone asked me to explain the plot of The Walking Dead, would that mean I believe zombies are real?
For the record, I haven’t supported a single candidate this election cycle. I’m not a Republican (rather registered Independent), and can’t vote in the closed primaries in my state.
Gulf, on the LI comment board, you are either a trump hater or you’re hated. There is no in between. Logic has no place.
Marco Rubio is telling his donors that his campaign story is 3-2-1.
He’s been telling
In Iowa, he finished 3rd, but knocked out the Establishment pretenders, and he helped Cruz knock out Trump. In New Hampshire, he will knock out Cruz and finish second. Then in South Carolina, he has the support of every single elected official (other than Lindsey Graham who is for Jeb).
Finishing first there gives him big Mo at the right time to win big in the next state, Florida, and Super Tuesday. And all without the usual press investigation of his record that the front runner gets.
Ted Cruz and his supporters got played. If mr amnesty gets nominated this year, a Republicans lose by 100 or more electoral votes. Rubio being elected is worse than voting Dem and hoping for gridlock.
He’s been telling donors this story for weeks.
Jimmy Carter’s view of Trump v Cruz.
———-
http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/02/03/jimmy-carter-endorses-donald-trump-over-ted-cruz/
If he had to choose between Cruz and Trump for the Republican nomination, Carter chuckled, “I think I would choose Trump, which may surprise some of you.”
(It did, judging by the loud laughter from the audience.)
“The reason is, Trump has proven already he’s completely malleable,” Carter explained. “I don’t think he has any fixed (positions) he’d go the White House and fight for. On the other hand, Ted Cruz is not malleable. He has far right wing policies he’d pursue if he became president.”
———-
“On the other hand, Ted Cruz is not malleable.”
As he PROVED with the ethanol BIG CORN lobby in Iowa.
Why thinking Conservatives support him. He FIGHTS, and for the right things.
And in Iowa, he wins. Well, and in the Supreme Court too. Nine times.
Kemberlee you’re doing it again: Making me laugh like an idiot at the flaming train going off the mountain. LOL!
Perhaps The Donald will be so upset about unfair treatment he will boycott the next Primary.
Just say’n.
Why oh why didn’t Dr. Carson have people on this, to monitor the twitter traffic and bust out a big announcement squelching the idea he was leaving the campaign? If you’re going to run with the big dogs you gotta be a big dog. Not being on top of that was a failure of your campaign. Your people failed. You failed.
Didn’t the Rubio campaign do the same exact same thing?
The voter grade/report was a poor choice. Cruz might have a real sense that we can’t be playing around, people need to stand up and be counted. Find a better way to inspire a desire to preserve our nation than shame. Make people proud to support you.
Donald Trumphphphph is not above stretching the truth. Hello! Donald! Your health insurance plans are worse than Obamacare! Calling Cruz an anchor baby for Canada was pretty over the top. You are outrageous in your behavior.
“The voter grade/report was a poor choice.”
That’s because lying is always a poor choice.
And you are correct, lying is a poor choice for any candidate.
So, you deplore T-rump here as much as anyone.
Right…???
I don’t keep score as to who here likes or deplores Trump (or any candidate) or by how much. As I’ve posted here before, I’m a long-time registered Independent, so I have no emotional investment in who wins the GOP primary contest. In my state, only registered party voters can vote in the party primary. So, I wait until the general to decide. I also don’t do as some Independents do here or in other closed-primary states, changing their registration to GOP or Dem just so they can vote in the primaries, then change back to Indy. I don’t believe that is fair to any party to have actual non-party voters voting, even though it’s legal.
I’ve made no posts here for or against any candidate, except for posting I crossed Cruz off my list for his “Voter Violation” mailing. That crossed an ethical line I have for my vote. I don’t expect anyone else to agree with me. To the extent any other candidate overtly lies, I deplore those lies as well, and those lies will be considered in choosing who to vote for.
While you may not like the mailing thing, there is no lie anywhere in it.
But you’re free to use whatever thinking you wish.
Does a “voter violation” exist in Iowa law regarding not voting?
No.
Are there letter grades or percentages assigned (the evidence so far indicates that the mailing only issued 3 percentages, 55%, 65% and 75%, regardless of the individuals’ voting records) by the state for voting or not voting?
No.
Did the mailing mention that the voters’ records were available from the state (inferring the “records” in the mailing came from the state)?
Yes.
One may choose to label purposeful falsehoods as “totally made up shit, but that’s cool, because everybody does it.”
Where I grew up, we call those kinds of things lies.
So yeah, I’ll believe what I want.
Gulf, there you go again, using logic and honesty as a standard.
Re: “voter grade report”
Actually, I first saw those used here in FL in 2012. I contacted the elections board and was told that data is for sale to all the campaigns. I have a family member who isa registered Dem and he rec’d one as well in 2012.
Agree it is a turn off for some of us. But I’ve learned that it is a research driven strategy that has been shown to be successful in bumping up turn out.
All data on all registered FL voters is available on a CD from the government, $5. And of course, as soon as some people get their CD, they immediately upload it to the interwebs – and there’s nothing unlawful about doing so. There’s an awful of of info publicly available, it doesn’t surprise me that politicians try to use it to their benefit.
Proving that buying trophy wives is a lot easier than buying class or character.
I don’t know how long this will stay up, but if you want a laugh go to:
loser.com
Ted Cruz’s radical supporters: He won Iowa on the back of the scariest Bible-thumpers in the business
A lot of attention has been paid to Trump’s oversized ego, but Cruz’s may be even worse. While Trump likes to portray himself as a “winner,” Cruz clawed his way to victory in Iowa by implying — well, more than implying — that he’s a religious messiah, a prophet who is the next best thing to the second coming of Jesus. While denouncing Barack Obama for his supposed “messiah complex,” Cruz has been suggesting that he is the real deal, and that he will win because “the body of Christ” will “rise up to pull us back from the abyss.”
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/02/ted_cruzs_radical_supporters_he_won_iowa_on_the_back_of_the_scariest_bible_thumpers_in_the_business/
Oh, EXXXXXXCELLLLLLLENT…!!!
NOW you’re citing to Salon…!!!
See what a brownshirted bigot you are, Bierhall Bully Boi Britt?
Who AREN’T you bigoted against, religion-wise?
Remember how Duh Donald pissed on Carson’s religion, too? We do.
T-rump is a nasty man. Nobody likes him. Or his brownshirted suckers.
The election ids Trump’s to lose.
And he is doing it.
He is tweeting his way to loss.
If he just kept his big mouth shut, he could have it on a silver platter.
I think he is his own worst enemy, and it is likely already too late to curtail the damage.
He has certainly lost me of very recent.
I am now all out for Cruz, but I admit I did donate to Trump earlier on a couple times.
No More.
Trump is rather like a Shakespearean tragedy. The very thing which has catapulted him to the top of the stage is going to throw him off that stage. His willingness to say barbed and pointed things is the petard he will be hoisted on.
Trump really needs to close his twitter account.
It is his un-doing. Suicide by tweet.
Well, it is too late for me. I am outta there.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/boom-karl-rove-explains-how-cruz-camps-cheating-stole-iowa-from-trump-video/
BOOM! Karl Rove Breaks Down How Cruz Camp’s Cheating Stole Iowa from Trump (VIDEO)
carson cruz dirty trick
On Monday Dr. Ben Carson accused the Cruz camp of foul play in the Iowa Caucuses.
Carson said the Cruz camp told voters Carson was dropping out and to support Ted Cruz.
Carson was right to be outraged…
The Cruz camp sent this message out at 7:01 PM before the voting started at the Iowa caucuses.
cruz rumor carson
WOW!
On Wednesday, Karl Rove, not a Trump fan by any means, explained how the cheating could have cost Donald Trump the election in Iowa.
“The Cruz Campaign, Spence Rogers, sends out a tweet. And the tweet is headlined, “Press says that Carson is going to take a break”… so tell all the Carson people to campaign with Cruz… At 7:53 the Carson people send out a release saying, “We’re here. We’re staying in the race. We’re going to New Hampshire and South Carolina.” And at 8:20 the national co-chairman of the Cruz campaign, Steve King, sends out a tweet saying, “It looks like Carson is getting out of the race.” Now they knew at this point that this was inaccurate.
“Senator Cruz in his initial explanation about this said we were sending it to our team, leaving the implication, I suspect, to most viewers, that this had to do with sending it out to staff members. No, no, no… They sent this to their nearly 1,500 precinct captains. There are 1,500 precincts in the state. And they sent this message from Spence Roberts (Rogers). Now why does that matter. Now the gap between Donald Trump and Ted Cruz is 6,239 votes. There are 1,500 precincts. Do the math… If that message cost Carson four votes per precinct to switch to Cruz, then Cruz beats Trump. If he doesn’t switch four, then he loses.
Wow!
This is a stunning indictment of the Cruz Campaign’s cheating scandal.
Hoft has a man-crush on Trump, so he’ll peddle anything that boosts Da Donald, usually with juvenile gloating (or misleading headlines).
Rove has long been deplored as a relentless promoter of Washington-centric politics and not a great friend of constitutional conservatives. And as Carter pointed out, Trump is more “malleable” than Cruz.
Cite proof that even one voter switched from Carson to Cruz because of the drop-out reports.
“At 7:53 the Carson people send out a release saying, “We’re here. We’re staying in the race. We’re going to New Hampshire and South Carolina.”
So we are meant to believe that Carson’s supporters did not believe the official release sent out by Team Carson, but *did* believe a tweet sent out by the Cruz camp?
Why would Carson supporters believe the Carson campaign was lying to them?
If you went out to caucus for Trump
…then you heard a rumor that Trump was suspending his campaign
…then you received an official press release sent out by Trump’s official campaign, saying, “Nope, we’re in this for the long haul, promise!”
…then a few minutes later someone from Carson’s team sent out a tweet again suggesting that Trump was about to suspend his campaign
…who would you believe? Your guy’s team, or their guy’s team?
…would you disregard the official campaign advice from your guy in favor of a tweet from his competitor’s team and actually change your vote based on that?
Stupid comparison. Carson is back in the second group of polling. Trump is at the front. It’s plausible that Carson might drop out, but not Trump.
You people all do the same thing, call the supporters of any candidate but yours “stupid”. There’s a lot of stupidity alright, and it is on display all over this board.
Barry got hit with the “self-parody” hammer this morning.
LOLs
There’s Rags, making his accusations and when challenged disappears since he cannot back them up.
If trump did what Cruz did you would call it what it is:
Political dirty tricks. Your a hypocrite.
You, being so big a fan of T-rump, NEED to get on the horn TODAY, and insist that the lying Progressive fraud (T-rump) file a big, fat law suit against Cruz.
Tell him to allege fraud! Tell him he should seek reversal of the Iowa caucuses among his damages!
Seriously. DO it today! It’ll be great!
BOOOM!
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/81_17494220160203052201.jpg
GREAT cartoon! LOVE the hat and the tie…!!!
Did fraud occur? Probably. Was it a four point swing? No probably not. The polls were probably setting up unrealistic expectations from the jump. I know caucus fraud exists. I witnessed it first hand. That was nearly forty years ago but politics haven’t gotten noticeably cleaner in forty years.
Trump should take it like a man he’s got seven of the delegates to Cruz’s eight. That’s not bad.
Trump has appearance before 12000 people in packed arena in Arkansas tonight.
Sets new record for crowd size in that arena beating prior record held by ZZTop.
No doubt about it Trump is a rock star.
Two to three million people used to tune in to watch Honey Boo Boo once a week.
People like a show.
Like Bernie Sanders is a “rock star”.
In fact, just like Sanders in so many respects!
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/02/levin-trump-took-a-baseball-bat-to-carson-before-defending-him-today
Mark Levin puts together a really devastating montage of T-rump viciously attacking Dr. Carson.
Duh Donald really is one of the most despicable people in American politics, and that includes Pres. ScamWOW.
Obama is more subtle in his narcissism and in his spitefulness. (And saying so is less a defense of Obama than an indictment of Trump.)
So is Keith Richards, but who’d vote for him?
Those numbers have been disputed.
“Rock star” is not the first thing that comes to mind when I think about presidential attributes.
But whatever floats your boat …
“Trump is a rock star” of the Runs and Poses Band
Loser Trump now has damages aka grounds to sue Cruz’s Citizenship, if Not then call every Supporter that Trump’s a COWARD
There’s video of Trump proclaiming himself pro-abortion too.
Pretty rich seeing Trump accuse someone of being a liar for pointing out the basic facts of Trump’s own publicly stated position.
Ted Cruz…JUST LIKE OBAMA
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/02/04/professional-political-gaslighting/
Except backwards…
Tree Sloughs are nuts.
Some of the people there may actually be insane.
Example one: they believe they’ve uncovered an assassination plot against The Donald and need to get in touch with him urgently NOW… “Does anyone know if Trump is aware of the few good blogs that support him??? This needs to be looked into.“
Example two: they’ve analyzed a photo of Cruz and have found all sorts of troubling things: “Birthmark/discoloration left side of face temple to brow. Appears to have had a broken nose or a very badly deviated septum. There seems to be a chain around his neck which has a pendant hanging from it. This has been partially erased, or else it is implanted beneath the skin.”
And, wow. Just, wow: “I said just the other day to a family member. Just go to CTH and see for yourself the way Sundance collects information and then puts it all together so one can see the truth in a big picture REVEALING, that makes you say, wow.”
These are just a few comments on the same page that “kimosaabe” linked to. Holy cow. I feel so bad for the ghost of Breitbart that they have appropriated his image as “branding.”
It’s crazy-town banana-pants over there. Seriously.
I started visiting there years ago when it became a relatively accurate/reliable source for background info on specific legal cases (e.g Trayvon Martin, etc) with rational observers/inquirers/members. Since it’s gone so political (since last summer), it’s attracted an entirely new crowd and editorial slant. Seriously, it’s unrecognizable from what it used to be, and I rarely check in. I’ve pondered what will become of it, no matter if Trump loses/wins.
That site is run by a creepy Jim Jones-type psycho who posts under other names all over the internet. It seems many people are aware of it. In those writings, he refers links to the nuthouse. He’s a sleaze who creates aliases which he uses to go into those sites and praises the author, which is himself. He’s obsessed with Trump winning. He tries to take over entire sites with his bullying and BS. If you read some of his readers’ posts, it’s obvious they’re a bunch of losers, half-wits and mentally ill cult follower types.
It’s bizarre.
It sounds like Trump ,has uncovered a move by Cruz, to steal the Iowa Convention. What makes them so important ? The want their Ethanol, which we don’t need any more. We have more oil & Nat. Gas available in this country , than the M.E. We don’t need OPEC.( Thieves )
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/695134210273775617
Duh Donald just keeps bringin’ the crazy…!!!
Charge Cruz with that “misdemeanor” Officer Duh Donald…!!!
Sue him. So hard his head spins. THAT’LL be GREAT…!!!
SMH.
It’s hilarious that Trump now says what a “great guy” Ben Carson is, as long as he can use Carson’s alleged victimhood for his own purposes.
That would be the same Ben Carson that Trump essentially accused of fabricating a story about his anger issue in his youth; and (simultaneously) of having an incurable mental illness (an anger issue).
Trump didn’t have the intelligence to notice that his own trashing of Carson was self-contradictory. He also revealed a comical ignorance of the meaning of the word “pathological.”
T-rump would tell you that consistency, integrity, and self-awareness are for….
LOSERS…!!!
Posted by Kemberlee Kaye,
Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 4:15pm
“Did Trump say he would ‘repeal and replace’ Obamacare? Yes. He also said he’d replace Obamacare with something the government will pay for… Universal Health Care.”
This is incorrect, as it appears you have taken Trump’s answers to Scott Pelley out of context.
If you watch the video (broadcast on 60 Minutes on 9/27/2015) carefully, Trump says those that can’t afford health insurance would be all be covered by… (in Scott Pelley’s words) “universal health care” (in essence, government coverage negotiated with hospitals/healthcare providers).
Alternatively, those that can afford insurance, would have a large choice of private insurance plans to purchase.
This is supported by his contemporaneous comments below, detailing that he does NOT support universal healthcare coverage for all, rather a dual system with private insurance plans for those that can afford coverage, and a different system for those that can’t afford it:
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Health_Care.htm
Q: Now, 15 years ago, you called yourself a liberal on health care. You were for a single-payer system, a Canadian-style system. Why were you for that then and why aren’t you for it now?
TRUMP: As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It could have worked in a different age. What I’d like to see is a private system without the artificial lines around every state. I have a big company with thousands of employees. And if I’m negotiating in BY or NJ or CA, I have like one bidder. Nobody can bid. You know why? Because the insurance companies are making a fortune because they have control of the politicians. They’re making a fortune. Get rid of the artificial lines and you will have yourself great plans. And then we have to take care of the people that can’t take care of themselves. And I will do that through a different system.
Source: Fox News/Facebook Top Ten First Tier debate transcript, Aug 6, 2015
Q: In 2000, you wrote that you’re a liberal on health care, and you supported a Canadian-style system, where the government acts as an insurer. Is that what you still believe?
A: You know, I looked at that. I looked at it very seriously. Some people don’t agree with me on this: I want everyone to have coverage. I love the free market, but we never had a free market. Even before ObamaCare, it wasn’t really free market. As an example, in New York, when I wanted to bid out my health insurance, we had boundaries. I could only go in New York. If I wanted to bid it out to a company from California or New Jersey, anywhere–you get no bids.
Q: But the single payer, you’re not interested anymore?
A: No. No, these are different times. And over the years, you are going to change your attitudes. You’re going to learn things and you’re going to change. And I have evolved on that issue. I have
evolved on numerous issues.
Source: CNN SOTU 2015 interview series: 2016 presidential hopefuls, Jun 28, 2015
Oh, just wait a few weeks and Trump will revert back to single payer. He keeps all his positions on a Lazy Susan for easy flip flopping, just like his party affiliations, changed five times since 1987, and four times just since 1999. Hell, Trump could get elected this November as a Republican and change affiliation back to Democrat again before he’s inaugurated. A crazy idea, and yet his actual record supports the possibility.
Exactly Henry. That’s the Malleable Candidate in a nutshell (a peanut…nutshell).
Healthcare is a rather difficult and complex subject. Having an evolved attitude is understandable. Any businessman understands the very high costs and complex BS that existed pre Obamacare. Obamacare made it worse, but what we had before was not “free market”.
For those that say it should be a complete “free market” system, do you support hospital emergency rooms turning away someone dying or very sick because they have no insurance or ability to pay? If not, you will never have a free market healthcare system.
I say we should pay for doctors and hospitals at free market prices w/o health insurance company overhead through personnaly owned medical HSAs. The cost of health care would diminish appreciably w/o the insurance lobby keeping rates high. A high deductible health premium would suffice for major medical expense.
Health care has become such a politicized issue that even a mention of the Zika virus has people scrambling for more government/health insurance during the election year. Yikes!
Having government enforce the Christian act of caring for your neighbor is not necessary for me, a Christian.
1992 Common sense: Milton Friedman – Health Care Reform, rising costs and the tyranny of the Status Quo:
https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylc=X3oDMTFiN25laTRvBF9TAzIwMjM1MzgwNzUEaXRjAzEEc2VjA3NyY2hfcWEEc2xrA3NyY2h3ZWI-?p=milton+friedman+health+care&fr=yfp-t-201
Jennifer, you did not answer my question. Do you support the government forcing hospitals to treat someone without the ability to pay?
How is your HSA going to handle a devastating illness that comes in at $100,000.00 +?
“How is your HSA going to handle a devastating illness that comes in at $100,000.00 +?”
Sorry, high deductible insurance is your answer, missed it.
Which is what I would like but cannot get.
Still, please answer my question.
“Do you support the government forcing hospitals to treat someone without the ability to pay?”
No. Just as I do not support government forcing people to have Obamacare or pay a penalty. No.
An HSA is the way to go.
Help your neighbor get a high deductible HSA. Take care of your neighbor.
You are the government and not the collective bureaucracy called government.
This type of thinking will require a radical change from the status quo.
Thanks Jennifer, most people do not want to answer the question.
The reason people don’t want to play with you is because you toss out too many straw men.
Sheesh.
Well sheesh Valerie, I’m not here to play.
And you do not know what a “strawman” is.
But … But …
“He’s not a professional politician!” (therefore he’s trustworthy).
“He’s not PC!” (therefore he’s trustworthy).
“He just blurts out whatever he’s really thinking!” (therefore he’s trustworthy).
“He can’t be bought!” (therefore he’s trustworthy).
Oh wait:
“He wasn’t running for president then!” (so pay no attention to that).
“He’s using literary hyperbole!” (don’t you dummies know when not to take him literally?)
“Everybody does it. So what?”
“But look at Obama! Hillary/Bernie! McConnell!”
“He’s a rock star!!!”
Radegunda, the male/female for whom criticism is all we know. Never the type candidate he/she supports.
For those that say it should be a complete “free market” system, do you support hospital emergency rooms turning away someone dying or very sick because they have no insurance or ability to pay? If not, you will never have a free market healthcare system.
—Barry
Except, BULLSHIT…as usual…Barry.
Free markets provide…lavishly…for the exercise of charity and NON-STATE socialism, which is well exemplified by INSURANCE. People VOLUNTARILY provide for the vicissitudes of life. Both for themselves and their own, and for strangers.
ALLLLL of it a FREE market system.
About what I expect, nonsense from rags.
It’s not a “free market” if the government mandates hospitals paying for those unable to pay. Period.
You seem to be suggesting charity will work in it’s place. That’s fine. But you did not directly answer the question: Are you willing to do away with a hospital being required to treat those that come in the door, possibly dying?
Sorry, Barry. I just don’t find you worth my time.
Your bullshit is simply a waste.
Typical response from someone that can’t answer a simple question. It’s what you always do.
More proof of cheating by the Cruz campaign: voicemails sent to precinct captains:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/04/ted-cruz-voicemails-ben-carson-exclusive-audio/
Here is the entire timeline, including tweets, sent out Monday evening by CNN, Cruz and Carson.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/04/cruz-carson-email-trump-iowa-cnn/
Today, the GOP-funded American Action Forum published an open-borders propaganda piece attacking Sens. Jeff Sessions and Ted Cruz’s “anti-immigrant” (translation: pro-American worker) bill reforming the fraud-riddled H-1B program. The group also went after another Sessions bill that would address the Dig Your Own Grave effect spotlighted by high-tech U.S. workers like the Disney employees now suing the entertainment giant and its Indian offshore outsourcing partners. – See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/02/exposed-open-borders-gop-lobbyists-attack-sessions#sthash.fRondS1z.dpuf
There’s a LOT more, so read it all.
It’ll help give the lie to the lying SOS Britt’s BS about Cruz, Sessions, and Rubio.
Jeff Sessions after being one of the very few senators to ever work with Cruz REFUSES to endorse Cruz.
Instead, Sessions endorses Trump for both immigration and Trade agreements. Sessions appeared with Trump in Alabama when he released his Sessions approved immigration plans.
Cruz on the other hand has tried to increase H1B visas by 500%.
Not Good.
No current office-holder…congressman, senator, governor…has endorsed the nasty-assed Progressive oligarch T-rump.
You’re lying about Cruz’s position on visas.
But you were posting, so…
Liar. Jeff Sessions is a current senator and he endorses Trump on immigration and Trade. Cruz nada.
“Trump has been endorsed by Senator Jeff Sessions on both immigration and Trade.”
Really? That should be easy for you to link to. Liar.
Not your bullshit CLAIMS. Sessions in his OWN WORDS.
Sessions and Cruz work together to fight the things Deputy Donald Ducks has been FIGHTING FOR, you lying sack of T-rumpian sharia.
Have you volunteered to file charges and a civil suit in Iowa, like Deputy Donald Ducks is blathering about?
New Polls for New Hampshire out today:
NH – 2016 GOP Presidential Primary: Donald Trump 34% – Ted Cruz 12% – John Kasich 13% – (ARG 02/04/2016)
Date: 02/02/2016 – 02/03/2016
Full Result:
Trump 34%
Cruz 12%
Kasich 13%
Rubio 14%
Christie 6%
Bush 8%
Carson 2%
Fiorina 2%
– See more at: http://www.pollheadlines.com/election-polls-2-2016/nh-2016-gop-presidential-primary-trump-34-cruz-12-kasich-13-arg-02022016-02032016.html#sthash.ccRLTyqp.dpuf
Source: UMass Lowell/7 News
Date: 02/01/2016 – 02/03/2016
Full Result:
Trump 36%
Cruz 14%
Kasich 7%
Rubio 15%
Christie 5%
Bush 8%
Carson 4%
Fiorina 3%
– See more at: http://www.pollheadlines.com/election-polls-2-2016/nh-2016-gop-presidential-primary-trump-36-cruz-14-kasich-7-umass-lowell7-news-02012016-02032016.html#sthash.oghB6HJM.dpuf
CNN/WMUR Poll out this evening:
Trump 29%
Rubio 18%
Cruz 13%
Kasich 12%
Bush 10%
Still poll dancing, Gaghdad Bob…???
Some idiots never learn!
Regarding the CNN/WMUR poll out this evening.
Comparing to last CNN/WMUR poll:
Trump down 1%
Cruz up 1%
Rubio up 7%
So Iowa in this poll has had no effect on Trump or Cruz but Rubio has received 7% bounce up.
It was of course Rubio’s strong performance pulling votes from Trump that allowed Cruz to sneak into first place. That along with his cheating of Dr. Carson.
That kind of cheating by Cruz is more difficult to do a second time and in a primary where no campaigning at polls is allowed.
You know what’s fun…???
To speculate as to whether you actually believe any of the lies you tell, or whether you’re THAT corrupt and dishonest that you know…even somewhere…how full of shit you are.
It’s a poser…
When Rags has nothing he can find to copy and paste here then he either runs and hides or posts some bullcrap factless ad hominem attack to divert from the fact he has nothing adult to add to discussion.
http://www.hapblog.com/2016/02/trump-drops-9-points-first-national.html
Awww….
Puuuuuurrrr Duh Donald…
And this poll I bet PRE-DATES the T-rump tantrum. I BET that it would be even worse now.
Heh…!!!
And still polls are God.
Geez, lol.
Carson on Greta. Cruz did was unethical. Greta called it a CANCER on the caucus.
Greta says Cruz campaign statements on this are awful and makes Cruz look personally culpable in this corruption of caucus process.
Carson says apology by Cruz without consequence to unethical staffers means Cruz approves unethical conduct and if Cruz is unethical what other ubethucal dirty behavior will Cruz approve of.
Well you can count Carson as another person who thinks Cruz is slimmy creepy liar and phony who will never get Carsons endorsement or support.
In 1, 2, 3 lying Cruzbots supporting Cruz’s slimmy begavior start your engines.
I’ve often found it interesting how many forms butt hurt cream takes.
In your case, it’s bitter root. You getting the root. Bitterly.
But you DO seem to enjoy it…
When Rags has nothing he can find to copy and paste here then he either runs and hides or posts some bullcrap factless ad hominem attack to divert from the fact he has nothing adult to add to discussion.
BTW, Nate Silver seems to have come out looking really good, while you just have that brown shirt for all your trouble.
Heh…!!!
Greta is dumber than a bag of hammers.
A good insult is one that sticks. One thing Greta demonstrably ain’t is dumb.