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Did Trump walk into a trap on “NY Values” fight?

Did Trump walk into a trap on “NY Values” fight?

This may be the cultural fight Team Cruz wants to have.

The exchange between Ted Cruz and Donald Trump on “NY values” was one of the highlights of last night’s debate.

While Cruz clearly was referring to liberalism, he used a phrase that left him open to Trump’s counterattack invoking 9/11:

The media is thrilled with Trump’s response. Of course, much of that media is in or from NY City. I expressed last night that I wasn’t sure that the issue would play in Trump’s favor outside NY.

I was born in NYC, spent my early childhood there, grew up in and returned to the NYC suburbs after law school until moving to Rhode Island in 1993. And since 2008 have lived (originally part time now full time) in Ithaca.

I understand what Cruz was referring to. And it has nothing to do with knocking the heroism of NY police and firemen, or how New Yorkers reacted under attack. It has everything to do with political, economic and social outlooks which are not accepted in the Republican Party in general much less among conservatives.

The Cruz campaign apparently thinks this is a fight it needs to have, via Washington Examiner:

Ted Cruz attacking Donald Trump for his “New York values” isn’t all that surprising, nor was it a spur of the moment retort.

The top two contenders for the Republican presidential nomination are competing aggressively for evangelicals and other socially conservative voters who are influential in the crucial Iowa caucuses. Cruz’s implicit charge is that the thrice-married, four-times bankrupted Trump lives his life just like all the other Manhattan liberals, and an obvious play to depress the reality television star’s support among heartland conservatives.

The swipe was straight out of the playbook of the Texas senator’s bulldog campaign manager, Missourian Jeff Roe. That means — along with most moves Cruz makes — that it was probably deliberately calibrated and carefully planned. In 2008, Roe produced a television spot for a client, Rep. Sam Graves, R-Mo., that painted Democratic challenger Kay Barnes as a social and fiscal liberal who was “pushing their San Francisco values.”

(added) Here is the Tim Russert interview to which Cruz was referring during the debate (via Patterico):

The Cruz campaign is doubling down, via Politico, Cruz plotting new attacks on Trump:

The Ted Cruz who came out swinging at Donald Trump on Thursday night is here to stay, now willing to not only answer Trump’s criticisms but to eagerly define his rival’s weaknesses as the 2016 race in Iowa becomes a two-man contest.

“Iowa is three weeks away,” Cruz spokesman Rick Tyler said. “People want to know how you’re different. It’s time to tell how we’re different.”

Does it really hurt Cruz to have the NY Daily News run a cover with the Statue of Liberty giving him the finger? It’s reminiscent of the famous New Yorker cover of how New Yorkers* view the world. (See Featured Image) (*NY City-ers, to be more precise).

Being a “natural born New Yorker,” I can assure you that the New Yorker cover is absolutely accurate as to how New York City-ers view the rest of the country. And the rest of the country knows it. That’s why I doubt the issue will hurt Cruz, and may actually help him.

UPDATE: Cruz “apologizes”:

Dave Weigel at WaPo recounts Cruz’s “apology”:

I apologize to the millions of New Yorkers that have been held down by liberal policies in New York City.

I apologize to the hard-working men and women in the state of New York who have been denied jobs because Gov. Cuomo won’t allow fracking. Even though there have been many high-paying jobs just south in Pennsylvania, New Yorkers have been denied the chance to provide for their families.

I apologize to all the pro-life, pro-marriage, pro-Second Amendment New Yorkers told by Gov. Cuomo that they have no place in New York, because that’s not who New Yorkers are.

I apologize to all the small businesses that have been driven out of New York City by crushing taxes and regulations.

I apologize to all of the African American children who Mayor De Blasio tried to throw out of their schools that were providing a lifeline to the American dream.

And I apologize to all of the cops, firefighters, and 9/11 heroes who had no choice but to stand and turn their backs on Mayor De Blasio, because Mayor De Blasio, over and over again, stands with the looters and criminals rather than the brave men and women of law enforcement.

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Yes, the NYPD and the NYFD are heroes. On the other hand, when I think of NYC, I also think of rats so numerous that locals hunt them with pet dogs, bedbugs in luxury hotels, Times Square and its violent arguments between panhandlers dressed as cartoon characters, and garbage that is picked up at the whim of the NY Sanitation Department–not to mention the graffiti, and gang signs everywhere. NYC’s administration is too busy trying to ban horse carriages to attempt to make the place work for its residents, and only the famous and wealthy can afford a gun permit to protect themselves from the rising crime rate.

NYC can keep its values; it’s right behind the slums of Caracas, Venezuela on my list of places to visit.

“This may be the cultural fight Team Cruz wants to have.”

OHHHHHHHhhhhhhhh, yeah!!!

Where does Mr. Establishment chose to live? Where is he obviously MOST at home?

Where has he headquartered his crony empire? Why?

The answers are SOOOOOOOOoooo ripe with lessons!

    You’re a better person than to resort to essentially saying Trump has Big Apple cooties.

    Radegunda in reply to Ragspierre. | January 15, 2016 at 10:50 pm

    Apparently Trump is most at home in a place that exudes gaudy extravagance. Photos I’ve seen of his Manhattan home suggest he wants to remind himself constantly that he’s rich — just as he reminds everyone else that he’s rich and successful whenever he can.

      That’s a good little democrat. Beat on the wealthy.

      I understand why you will not make your fav for the president public. It’s shrillary.

        JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Barry. | January 16, 2016 at 3:13 am

        I don’t think anybody here minds Trump being wealthy. The problem is that he is garish in his taste, so ostentatious and so vocal about his wealth that it’s crass and tacky.

        It’s like Jethro from the Beverly Hillbillies wearing a Rolex. Sometimes folks are just too ‘over the top’ to not look the fool.

        kenoshamarge in reply to Barry. | January 16, 2016 at 9:22 am

        Why imply that because someone is not a Trump supporter that they support Hillary. It’s dishonest. I don’t “like” Donald Trump. Never have and never will. But I wouldn’t vote for Hillary if she was the last female critter on earth. And I really would like to see a woman in the White House before I die.

          Why? Quite simple, our LI resident GOPer will never disclose who he prefers as president. He constantly runs certain candidates down. Might be interesting to know who he is flacking for.

          Rags makes no bones about his support. Nor do I or most of the vocal others.

          That’s why.

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | January 16, 2016 at 10:13 am

        Wow, Barry, you’re really on a lie trip.

        Compare and contrast the Koch brothers, or Mitt Romney, or any number of other very wealthy people who DON’T have a FLEET of aircraft with their name in the biggest letters the fuselage will carry, or a giant gold “T” on everything they own.

        It’s part of the T-rump pathological narcissism. Duh.

          You’re such a flippin laugh. It’s called marketing. Trump sells himself and his company, simple as that. Apparently it works.

          Maybe the Koch brothers should give it a try. Last I heard they were crying that they didn’t know how to purchase influence in this election.

          So now your a Radegunda flack? Politics makes strange bedfellows.

DINORightMarie | January 15, 2016 at 3:35 pm

The response The Donald gave to Cruz’s explanation was loaded with logical fallacies: ad hominem, changing the subject, and emotional appeal, among others, no doubt.

However, the MSM won’t let this dead horse go till they bead it for a week or more………unless another distraction crops up to force them to drop it.

I agree. “Flyover country” is very clear what “NY values” are; as a native New Yorker (state, not city) and a recovering Democrat (hence the DINO – ironically, 9/11 is what converted me for good to Conservatism), I understand Cruz’s comment perfectly.

The state that elects Dems like Cuomo (both of them, actually), Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton, Nanny Bloomberg for 3 terms(!), Marxist DeBlasio, Gillibrand, Anthony Weiner, Charlie Rangel………yeah, those are the New York values Cruz is talking about – because PEOPLE ELECT THOSE WHO REFLECT THEIR VALUES.

Kinda like Massachusetts electing Teddy over and over and over………Boston values, perhaps?!

Cruz better be careful, or New York’s electoral votes might go to the Democrat!

    Ragspierre in reply to malclave. | January 15, 2016 at 4:01 pm

    ZOMG…!!! I hope he never says anything bad about Kuhlifornia…!!!

    bobtuba in reply to malclave. | January 15, 2016 at 4:03 pm

    Exactly. Who in NYC was going to vote for a Republican in the general anyway?

      Barry in reply to bobtuba. | January 15, 2016 at 4:15 pm

      Trump will win NY in the general.

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 8:17 pm

        Nutz.

          Care to bet?

          Cruz has guaranteed that victory.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | January 15, 2016 at 8:55 pm

          I think M-A-Y-B-E you’re drunk. There are the Deemocrats…

          “I think M-A-Y-B-E you’re drunk. There are the Deemocrats…”

          Ronald Reagan won NY in 1980 and 1984. It was the democrats that put him over.

          You’re out of your league.

          JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Ragspierre. | January 16, 2016 at 3:26 am

          Barry, NY was a very different place 35 years ago. The hard left has advanced itself far more as a percentage of the population than it was then.

          If Trump were to get the nomination, which I pray he doesn’t, he will lose NY to Hillary. So will anybody running on the ‘pub ticket. NY is a lost cause, like most of the NE.

          Donald Trump is no Ronald Reagan. He doesn’t have the charm, the style, the wit, the intelligence or the grace that Reagan had.

          “If Trump were to get the nomination, which I pray he doesn’t, he will lose NY to Hillary.”

          JRT, you and most people here still have not figured out what is going on. Pray all you want, trump is going to be the nominee.

          And he will win NY against shrillary. He would need to flip 14% of the voters based upon the 2012 election results. The tailwind of this election alone will do that. You have no clue I’m sorry to say. Which is why you don’t get trumps appeal. Your blind.

    janitor in reply to malclave. | January 15, 2016 at 5:33 pm

    What kind of strategy is it to antagonize New York voters. Cruz should have backpeddled this and not given Trump the opening.

    Also, as a hard-core fan of Cruz, now that Trump is in the race, I’d rather have four years of a demonstrably competent executive who consults experts and takes advice, and see Cruz seated on the Supreme Court, which is his highest and best use.

    Pennywise, pound foolish.

      Ragspierre in reply to janitor. | January 15, 2016 at 5:39 pm

      Oh, I expect a LOT of New Yorkers TOTALLY agree with Cruz.

      Or do you think they are all homogeneous Collectivists?

      Before you answer, you may want to consider that some New York Congressional Districts buck the “New York values” trend.

        The Friendly Grizzly in reply to Ragspierre. | January 15, 2016 at 6:40 pm

        Rags, I can see upstate and central state rural New Yorkers voting for the Republican candidate, sure. But NYC, Buffalo, and Albany, will drown out those votes just like the California SF Bay Area and the Los Angeles Basin voters swamp the votes from the rest of the state.

        jlronning in reply to Ragspierre. | January 16, 2016 at 7:59 am

        It’s the conservatives in NY who know BEST what Ted was talking about, as their own governor told them they weren’t welcome in his state, because “that’s not what New York is” (pro-life, pro-gun, etc.)

      Henry Hawkins in reply to janitor. | January 15, 2016 at 5:46 pm

      NYC is Democrat over Republican about 5:1, meaning 85% or so of New Yorkers weren’t going to vote for Cruz anyway. Factor 15% of NYC against what Cruz will pick up across the country for delineating his conservatism versus NYC liberalism.He also places Trump, if he takes the bait, in the position of defending “NY values”, which includes a long, long list of hyper-liberal idiocies beginning with the mayor, Di Blasio, who is absolutely dumb enough to come to Trump’s defense, proidiving tasty video and print quotes for opposition campaigns.

        JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Henry Hawkins. | January 16, 2016 at 3:48 am

        It also serves double-duty against Hillary in the general if Cruz wins. 🙂 Once “NYC values” are established in people’s minds as too far left for America in connection with Trump, it will also sway some against a far left NYer in the general.

        Meanwhile, right now, Bernie is a doing a beautiful job of forcing Hillary into sound bite after sound bite trying to out-lefty him, which will be a treasure trove in the general.

      janitor in reply to janitor. | January 15, 2016 at 9:14 pm

      Once again, we’re picking the CEO of the country. I personally would prefer to have Cruz on the Supreme Court now that Trump is running. If Cruz were to become the president, that likely will never happen. Trump is a fantastic executive. I’m not confident that Cruz has adequate broad-base appeal to win against Clinton (or Sanders, or whoever.)

      If you disagree, make a rational case why without the stupid foul-mouth sniping.

      Also please let’s remember how “liberal” Reagan was, compared with what ostensibly represents a misguided obsession with perfection today.

      We have an incredible lot of Republican candidates, and in there I even include the ones I absolutely wouldn’t want to see get the nomination for various reasons.

      But the result of having this great lineup appears to be — instead of “picking” — nitpicking. That “circular firing squad”.

      Please stop it.

        Radegunda in reply to janitor. | January 15, 2016 at 10:58 pm

        Where in the Constitution does it say the president is like the CEO of a business? Evidently Trump sees it that way: he’ll take charge, fire a lot of “incompetent” people, make everything awesome by his own genius.

        But I thought it was wrong when Obama said “I’m the boss now” and trampled over the legislative process.

          janitor in reply to Radegunda. | January 16, 2016 at 8:14 am

          I agree with you that the president is not the boss of the people. But CEOs report to their shareholders.

          The president is the country’s chief executive. He is Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, and boss of the entire executive branch, a bureaucracy that bas burgeoned with agencies and regulations into a monster. The chief executive is an administrator. He is indeed the “boss” over carrying out the laws of the country.

          ^^^THIS^^^

          Our country needs leadership that will move it back toward the rule-of-law foundation upon which it was built.

Midwest Rhino | January 15, 2016 at 3:49 pm

Trump likes to tag people with a label they have to fight off … like Jeb having no energy.

So Cruz poll tested this (I think Megyn asked him about this and he didn’t deny, but said “this is what I can tell you” his regular evasion) … and he wants to tag Trump. But Trump being larger than life already is hard to tag.

Overall it should help Cruz, but it is so talked about that it seems mostly calculated (at least to blogging types). The Daily News pic helps Cruz, except the “go back to Canada” might help Trump a little.

Of course if Trump wins and Bloomberg goes third party, we could have three NY oligarchs to choose from. ha

The FOX talkers like Krauthammer and Stirewalt and a couple others that normally hate Trump, were very fond of his presidential tone on his NY, 9/11 response. But overall it is useful for Cruz to keep labeling Trump as an NYC values guy.

But Trump has been the man of the people in his campaigning, so it may not stick, in which case it maybe makes Cruz look desperate. If Trump keeps thrilling crowds of 20,000, hard to see him losing. Cruz is counting (too) heavily on Iowa and his evangelical appeal. imo But may the best man win, I’m glad with either.

    Ragspierre in reply to Midwest Rhino. | January 15, 2016 at 3:59 pm

    The “man of the people” who was raised by a millionaire, took over a multi-million dollar real estate portfolio, now is a billionaire who has attempted to crush people who offend him via bogus lawsuits, and has used the law to strip “the people” of their property? The “man of the people” who’s bought dozens of politicians, and bragged about it?

    That’s one of those knee-slappers like when Hellery Clinton tries the same bullshit.

      Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | January 15, 2016 at 6:40 pm

      What’s funny is the “down-thumbers” can’t factually refute a single thing I’ve said.

      Heh…!!!

      Radegunda in reply to Ragspierre. | January 15, 2016 at 11:06 pm

      A lot of the people who think Trump speaks for them and understands them are indulging in self-flattery: “He’s a billionaire TV celebrity — and he’s pretty much like me! And he really cares about me!” (One Trumpbot spoke in terms of where candidates directed their “love.”)

      Sure he learned to express some viewpoints that go over well with common folk, but it wouldn’t have been hard to learn what those would be, once he decided that he wouldn’t run as the typical Manhattan liberal he had long been.

    Midwest Rhino in reply to Midwest Rhino. | January 15, 2016 at 4:43 pm

    Mark Steyn backs up the “Trump as Campaigner”, man of the people aura that Trump has managed to mold for himself.

    http://www.steynonline.com/7408/notes-on-a-phenomenon

    Funny that those trashing Trump complain about his followers being just stupid commoners, yet here the haters claim no, he can’t possibly be relating to the average commoner.

    Trump knows how to project an image, and he is drawing big crowds, and big hate from some. Rush spoke on this, how the R’s claim they want to reach out to a broader base, but when Trump does it they complain. We’ll see. But Trump Towers and all his big persona will be hard to bring down, even if he isn’t fulfilling the “conservative blogger values”.

      Ragspierre in reply to Midwest Rhino. | January 15, 2016 at 4:56 pm

      “Funny that those trashing Trump complain about his followers being just stupid commoners…”

      This is both a lie and a straw man.

      “…yet here the haters claim no, he can’t possibly be relating to the average commoner.”

      Nope, another lie and straw man. The point is that he’s a big, fat fraud. Those are often successful (see Obama, Barack), but that doesn’t change their nature. Does it?

      “Trump knows how to project an image, and he is drawing big crowds, and big hate from some. Rush spoke on this, how the R’s claim they want to reach out to a broader base, but when Trump does it they complain.”

      I’ve credited T-rump with an amazing talent for reading people…even crowds…and turning on a dime to completely contradict what he just said. You can see this demonstrated in the “John McAnus isn’t a hero” episode. He does it all the time.

      You might take note that psychotics display the same talent at “projecting an image”.

        Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | January 15, 2016 at 6:03 pm

        The more I think about the explosive exchange between Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Donald Trump about “New York values,” the less I think it will hurt Cruz, and the more cynical and gross both Trump and the media seem.

        -snip-

        A few initial points. First off, Trump’s play here is incredibly manipulative and nasty. Obviously, Cruz didn’t mean to suggest that the behavior of New Yorkers on 9/11 was anything less than exemplary. Cruz insults DC values constantly, but nobody suggests that he’s insulting the behavior of people from DC in their response to an attack on the Pentagon on 9/11. This is politically correct nonsense from The Donald. It isn’t truth, it isn’t brash, and it isn’t honest.

        -snip-

        And conservatives all over the country have a problem with New York Republicanism. As they should. New York Republicanism is the Republicanism of John Lindsey and Nelson Rockefeller. Even the William F. Buckley crowd name-checked by Trump is considered “establishment” by no less than Donald Trump.
        http://www.dailywire.com/news/2643/no-cruzs-new-york-values-slam-wont-hurt-him-ben-shapiro#.Vpkap7d08A1.twitter

        And, YES!, we know that there are “New York values”, epitomized by the New York Times and the former Senator from New York…Hellery Clinton.

        So, BRING it, Duh Donald…!!!

          avital2 in reply to Ragspierre. | January 15, 2016 at 6:13 pm

          if only NY were the NY of 9-11. did i see the city rise up when de Blasio did not have the NYPD’s back when officers shot? i think not. those values are not my values – and people outside of NY get that. it isn’t 2001 any more and NY has gone on record with its votes as to where it stands.

          Radegunda in reply to Ragspierre. | January 15, 2016 at 11:13 pm

          Of course Trump knew what Cruz meant. Of course Trump would evade the point and deflect from his own statements of the not-so-distant past.

          His fans have chosen to believe that Trump is more principled and reliable and unwavering than any other candidate – which is bizarre. Trump can’t let his own history puncture their illusions (though Trumpsters sometimes say openly that NOTHING ever could). It really is a faith-based cult.

          JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Ragspierre. | January 16, 2016 at 4:17 am

          Huh? Maybe I don’t understand the author’s syntax. Is he trying to say Buckley was a Rockefeller supporter? I don’t under stand, I guess, because Buckley was way in for Goldwater. And Buckley was not establishment, not by a long shot. Without Buckley, we’d have never had Reagan in the White House. If Buckley was alive, would he support Trump? Good gawd, no. But he’d sure have some fun with him. 🙂

      Mark Steyn on Trump last night: His pushback against Ted Cruz on “New York values” was masterful, and a brilliant exploitation of a rare misstep by Cruz.

      http://www.steynonline.com/7422/the-winnowing

        Radegunda in reply to Kitty. | January 15, 2016 at 11:17 pm

        His “pushback” was also evasive and dishonest. Trump knew very well that Cruz was referring to Trump’s own association of being a New Yorker with viewpoints and attitudes quite different from those on which he is now basing his campaign.

        Mark Steyn is very smart, but he isn’t God.

nordic_prince | January 15, 2016 at 3:51 pm

Reminds me of what my father (who was in no way or shape a New Englander, let alone a New Yorker) used to say: Those from NYC don’t think there’s anything west of the Hudson.

The feeling is mutual. You couldn’t pay me enough to live there. It’s not even on my bucket list ~

Trump is showing he is adapting to politics at a fast rate.

    Radegunda in reply to VotingFemale. | January 15, 2016 at 11:20 pm

    Don’t tell the Trumpsters who have been saying over and over that they trust him more than the other candidates because “he’s not a politician!”

Earlier I tweeted the Daily News a “thank you” for their confirmation (giving Cruz, and us “flyover” people by extension, the finger) of what Cruz meant by “NY values.”

de Blasio = NYC values

We’ll see how it works out. Personally I think it is way too late to try and tag trump with NY city. Timing is a strategic decision by Cruz. This “tag” has been in the works for some time. My personal opinion – it will work on the ones already opposed to Trump, which is of no gain. It will work on the social conservatives that want government to regulate “their” values. But it will have little effect on the bulk of trumps support – people fed up with big government and the GOPe’s hand in that. Trying to pin big gov on trump is not going to work.

I stand by my predictions…

    Barry in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 4:08 pm

    Forgot to answer the question:

    “Did Trump walk into a trap on “NY Values” fight?”

    No, he knew it was coming. I suspect he has more ready to fire back. It may get a bit nasty.

    Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 4:17 pm

    It will work on the social conservatives that want government to regulate “their” values. But it will have little effect on the bulk of trumps support – people fed up with big government…
    ——————————————

    More utter bullshit.

    First, the shibboleth of “social values”. What IS NOT a “social value”? Gun control? Tax policy? What? EVERYTHING is a “social issue”.

    What BUT the Collective forces conflict over “social issues” by FEDERALIZING them?

    A “New York value” IS BIG GOVERNMENT. All your sodas belonga US…!!!

    T-rump = BIG GOVERNMENT = New York Values

      “More utter bullshit.”

      Juvenile commentary. Most of us know what is meant by “social values”. Trying to label everything as such just shows ignorance.

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 6:49 pm

        Then you should try an argument, instead of what you tried.

        It should be easy, based on your ad hominem.

          I already gave my opinion, which drew out an asshole.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | January 15, 2016 at 7:57 pm

          Nobody asked for your broke-dick opinion. I called for an argument, SOS.

          Try again…

          First, the shibboleth of “social values”. What IS NOT a “social value”? Gun control? Tax policy? What? EVERYTHING is a “social issue”.

          What BUT the Collective forces conflict over “social issues” by FEDERALIZING them?

          A “New York value” IS BIG GOVERNMENT. All your sodas belonga US…!!!

          T-rump = BIG GOVERNMENT = New York Values

          “Nobody asked for your broke-dick opinion. I called for an argument, SOS.”

          Sack of shit, I did not ask for your argument which is a “broke-dick” one.

          You’re unhinged. A loser.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | January 15, 2016 at 8:43 pm

          I see. You surrender.

          No, it’s simply not a fair fight between you and I. You’re a loser. I simply point out how big a loser you are.

      True that, Rags.

      Do you notice that Trump talks with a capital “I” and in terms of executive orders and not in concord with the people’s representatives? Pure Obama.

        In the T-rumpian word salads that are called “speeches”, try to find reference to the Constitution, liberty, shrinking the size of government, property rights, free markets, etc.

        What you CAN commonly find is statements that show T-rump has no understanding of or allegiance to the republic, federalism, or the Constitution. His views on property rights and market choices are in lock-step with Bernie Sanders and Lil’ Dick Trumka.

        And THAT’s NOW. While he’s pretending to be something like a conservative. Think what it’ll be like if he’s the nominee.

Ted Cruz may also be referring to this https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/donald-trumps-troubled-brother-when-one-sibling-222957125.html . It’s when Trump screwed over his nieces and/or nephews of a deceased brother. He loves money more than people. Trump is not person to be trusted. He has definite lack of character. I know that being accountable is out of vogue but it should matter to all of us and who we chose as a leader.

    “It’s when Trump screwed ”

    I don’t know the family dynamic and cannot make judgements as a result, but the “trump” you reference would be trump senior. It was his will, not the Donald’s. Pretending the Donald wrote the will is silly.

      The deceased brother in question was an alcoholic and likely got on the wrong side of the father with his behavior. Donald Trump loved his brother anyway and tried to take care of him. Gave him job, etc. His brother’s difficulties are cited as the reason Donald Trump nor any of his kids drink, smoke, or do drugs.

      Yeah this story is really going to hurt the Donald.

      The Cruz bots are starting to have the stink of desperation that covers Jeb!

      Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 4:30 pm

      The “rest of the story” that Butt Boi Britt will NEVER relate is that the heirs filed on Duh Donald for exerting inappropriate influence over Duh Dad in the matter of the latter’s will.

      It was settled without trial. The heirs don’t talk about it, which suggests they were muzzled by Duh Donald. Not a sure thing, but highly suggestive.

        “which suggests they were muzzled by Duh Donald. Not a sure thing, but highly suggestive.”

        In other words, Rags has no idea but he will suggest anything as long as it harms trump.

        Juvenile.

          Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 6:52 pm

          No, lying SOS. Rags has an informed opinion, which he signaled as his opinion.

          I have experience in these matters, and the FACTS are as I stated them.

          Got contravention…???

          Barry in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 7:56 pm

          “It was settled without trial. The heirs don’t talk about it,…”

          “Informed opinion”, “experience in these matters”…

          In other words, pure bullshit from a fevered mind.

          Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 8:00 pm

          No, liar.

          FACT: It was settled without trial.

          FACT: The heirs don’t talk about it,

          CONCLUSION BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE AS A CIVIL LITIGATOR: …which suggests they were muzzled by Duh Donald.

          ADMISSION OF FORGOING AS OPINION: Not a sure thing, but highly suggestive.

          Now lie some more, Trump sucker.

          Barry in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 8:41 pm

          Ah, once again, my opinion is a lie, but your opinion is law because you are a hot shot attorney.

          Get over yourself. You’re a dumbass with an opinion. One that means nothing.

          Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 8:46 pm

          “In other words, Rags has no idea but he will suggest anything as long as it harms trump.”

          That was a false statement of fact.

          You are a liar. Up and down this thread, you’ve lied. It’s just who you’ve decided to be.

          Barry in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 8:51 pm

          “That was a false statement of fact.”

          Are you trying to be funny? You’re a laugh alright. A greater sufferer of TDS cannot be found. You make stuff up.

          Take your meds before you blow a gasket.

          Barry in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 8:54 pm

          By the way, how did the Donald “muzzle” them?

          Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 9:01 pm

          A common feature of a settlement agreement is a strict non-disclosure clause that can result in huge liability.

          But you, being the smart ass you are, surely knew that already.

          Right…???

          Barry in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 9:13 pm

          Yep, and you cannot know. So, you speculate. You know nothing more than anyone else. You don’t even know if there was a non-disclosure, do you?

          Barry in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 9:33 pm

          You smear the man without knowing any facts whatsoever. The son died in 1981, the father rewrote the will in 1984, long before the dementia and death in 1999. Those are the facts. Each child of Fred Sr. received an equal share of the estate and each grandchild received an equal share of money.

          The children of the long dead son sued, believing they should have received a share due to the long dead son. End of story. Maybe the villains are the children of the long dead son. I have no idea, neither do you. But you smear because it is what you are, a smear merchant.

          Loathsome.

          Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 9:42 pm

          Here’s what I said, filling in the blanks left by your “good buddy”…

          “…the heirs filed on Duh Donald for exerting inappropriate influence over Duh Dad in the matter of the latter’s will.

          It was settled without trial. The heirs don’t talk about it, which suggests they were muzzled by Duh Donald. Not a sure thing, but highly suggestive.”

          That isn’t a “smear”, you lying sack of shit.

          Barry in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 10:16 pm

          “the heirs filed on Duh Donald for exerting inappropriate influence over Duh Dad in the matter of the latter’s will.”

          Without also telling some of the basic facts, it’s a smear, and you know it. Or, I suppose you could be that ignorant… Nah, you know it’s a smear. It’s what you do.

          Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | January 16, 2016 at 10:33 am

          That’s a lie, and you’re a liar.

          It’s what YOU do.

    Radegunda in reply to redbirdacres. | January 15, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    It’s funny how Trumpbots will say that Trump doesn’t care about money because he’s got plenty, so he’ll be purer than pure in his selfless love of country.

    Never mind that his whole life has been about pursuing wealth and displaying it extravagantly, and boasting about it.

    It’s hard to fathom the contradictory twists and turns in the minds of a Trumpbot.

      It’s hard to fathom the contradictory twists and turns in the minds of a person that will not name their preferred candidate.

LOL, I think all the Cruz bots should put all their eggs and hopes in this illusory basket.

If this truly is Cruz’s strategy it shows he’s desperate and/or just doesn’t get it.

This election in the republican primary is about one thing and one thing only:

Who is going to build the wall.
Who is going to enforce our laws.
Who is going to deport the illegals.

NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. How many times do I have say this over the last 6 months.

All Trump has to do is start Tagging Cruz with the all the flip flops on immigration Cruz has made and as were amply pointed out by Rubio last night, and its OVER.

If Trump shows the electorate flip floppy slick willy Cruz can’t be trusted on the Wall, immigration, and deportation (which honestly should be easy to do) its OVER.

    Tyrconnell in reply to Gary Britt. | January 15, 2016 at 4:34 pm

    Trump has flip-flopped on illegal immigration and amnesty like a landed fish.
    Cruz says once they are deported, that’s it, don’t come back, Trump says come on back as legal immigrants.
    Remember, Trump, just last election cycle, said that securing the border and enforcing the laws already on the books was “too harsh”.
    Trump talks about getting all the Illegals deported in 6 months. That’s find all 12-15-18 million of them, arrest them, send them through the legally required Administrative review and ship them home. Then give them head of the line to apply for legal status.

      Ty

      Sorry but rightly or wrongly on tbese issues nothing before June of this year counts. Trump can only flip flop after June of this year. People know he will build wall and all prior statements and positions have no effect. This dynamic only applies to Trump.

        Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 15, 2016 at 6:54 pm

        As often noted, you swim in a deep cesspool of bullshit fantasy unique to a fanatic follower.

        Radegunda in reply to Gary Britt. | January 15, 2016 at 11:31 pm

        All right, who has stolen Gary Britt’s identity? Or is Gary actually acknowledging AND ENDORSING the double-standards and irrationality that support the Trump cult?

    Milwaukee in reply to Gary Britt. | January 15, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    “Who is going to build the wall.” ?

    Donald is, and head of homeland wall building, under President Cruz. He will use forced labor, part of the deportation sentence for illegal entry into the United States. Plus, we’ll put an income-tax charge on all moneys leaving the United States, believing the earners collected benefits but without E-verify and Social Security numbers, were unable to pay taxes on.

    Sanddog in reply to Gary Britt. | January 15, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    Gary, Trump can say he’s going to fly every citizen of the USA to the moon for a vacation and that doesn’t change the fact that he can’t do jack shit without the congress. If you think for a second the republicans in congress will drop to their knees as The Donald issues orders, you really don’t know much about the history of this country.

      Barry in reply to Sanddog. | January 15, 2016 at 11:58 pm

      History might not be your strong suit:

      “The Republican Party’s 2012 platform highlighted the fact that the rest of the double fencing was never built and stated that “The double-layered fencing on the border that was enacted by Congress in 2006, but never completed, must finally be built.”

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | January 16, 2016 at 10:39 am

        Which, of course, neatly gives the lie to the T-rumpian lie that ‘he’s the first to make this an issue’, as many of us have pointed out for months.

        He is, in fact, late to the party.

        “While [Sen. Jeff] Sessions, Cruz, and others on the outside like myself were fighting the worst immigration bill of our generation in 2013, Trump was promoting the Dream Act. When it really mattered he wasn’t with us.”

        Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/14/was-donald-trump-always-a-stalking-horse-for-ted-cruz/#ixzz3xQF3W0kX

          “Which, of course, neatly gives the lie to the T-rumpian lie that ‘he’s the first to make this an issue’, as many of us have pointed out for months.”

          Show me where the trump supporters have said the Donald was the first, or only, to call for a fence. Otherwise that would be a lie.

          What they have said, and is clearly true to anyone not willfully blind, trump put the issue of immigration including building the fence squarely front and center of this years election.

          Perhaps you would care to respond to the original comment – Sandog insinuates the R party will not authorize building a fence. They already have is my point which you try to deflect…

          OTOH, he is partly correct. They would not authorize it with trump as president because they know he would build it. And they really don’t want that do they?

New Yorkers are a*****es. And there’s a reason for that. I had to talk to a few New Yorkers about NY politics—particularly why they seemed to be so happy to return known thieves and kleptocrats to office—before it became clear.

They are great admirers of chutzpah. However, to me it’s a sort of poor-man’s version of chutzpah. The really outrageous (or creative, perhaps) element, the thing which makes chutzpah at least interesting to most of us, isn’t included; New Yorkers seem to consider just the a*****e component sufficient. And they themselves tend to act accordingly. And it doesn’t wear off; I’ve seen it in New Yorkers who haven’t set foot in the city in forty years.

In any event, nobody outside of NYC gives a ****; they really don’t. None of this silliness will have any effect on the campaign.

But it’s nice to finally see some signs of life from Cruz.

    HandyGandy in reply to tom swift. | January 16, 2016 at 3:48 am

    I think you’ve come close to the situation.
    Donald Trump has NY-style chutzpah.

    People may not particularly like NY style chutzpah, but they want a president with chutzpah, and none of the other candidates are showing it.

    It is a mistake to attack Donald Trumps chutzpah before showing you have some chutszpah of your own.

A culture fight against Trump doesn’t appear to make a lot of sense. Trump has healthy support among working class and evangelists. He also isn’t receiving millions in donations from corporations and PACs, as Cruz is. How Trump responds will define whether this is successful or not. I thought Cruz’s previous non-confrontational strategy was working — he’d been surging. But Trump stung him on the citizenship issue and he probably felt he had no choice, just as Trump probably felt he had no choice to sting him because he was surging.

    Barry in reply to pesanteur. | January 15, 2016 at 4:19 pm

    I think your wrong. Cruz had this in his bag all along. he was, I believe, waiting to throw it out. Politics can be a nasty “sport”. Witness the “love affair” between Bush and Rubio. I just think he waited too long…

    Tyrconnell in reply to pesanteur. | January 15, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    So, national office is reserved for the rich, got it.

      “So, national office is reserved for the rich, got it.”

      There is only one “national office”, that of president.

      Care to name any president in the last 100 years that wasn’t rich?

      ………..

      That’s what I thought.

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 7:04 pm

        Another implicit lie, presented as “argument”.

        We all know what BOTH posters meant, and you merely deflected from the point with your implicit lie.

        Didn’t you?

          I know exactly what was meant.

          Now answer the question:

          “Care to name any president in the last 100 years that wasn’t rich?”

          You can’t, so you resort to deflection.

          Poor juvenile baby.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | January 15, 2016 at 8:14 pm

          I can name several that were NOT so rich they could finance their own campaign, which was the point, you lying sack of shist.

          “So, national office is reserved for the rich, got it.”

          That was the statement. Name the ones that were not rich.

          But you cannot. Go back and play in your sandbox.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | January 15, 2016 at 8:50 pm

          “He also isn’t receiving millions in donations from corporations and PACs, as Cruz is.”

          which was met by…

          “So, national office is reserved for the rich, got it.”

          Showing how you LIED about LYING, liar. What a stupid POS, to try this!

          The only thing you’ve shown is you can’t answer the question:

          “Care to name any president in the last 100 years that wasn’t rich?”

          The answer is none. Admit it. You have to be rich to run for president with any chance of winning. Some are richer than others. But no poor man has ever had a chance. Period.

          So, did Cruz finance his senate campaign by putting up some of his own money? Why yes, yes he did. He borrowed against his assets and loaned it to his campaign. I have no problem with it. But, he did precisely that.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | January 15, 2016 at 9:12 pm

          Now you’re just twisting in your lies.

          Seriously, are you drunk or what?

          When you get your ass handed to you, try to deflect.

          Answer the question.

        Radegunda in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 11:37 pm

        Barry, you must be aware that the allusion was to Trump fans’ frequent (weird) claim that Trump will be more honest and honorable than all the “politicians” because “he can’t be bought.”

        The criterion they have now established is: A public official cannot be trusted unless that person was wealthy enough to finance a political campaign — even a campaign for president — entirely on his or her own wealth.

        How many candidates for president have met that standard?

          I’m aware that you refuse to say who you support.

          The point remains, we will have none but the wealthy running for president these days. Some more wealthy than others. The less wealthy will be beholden to big donor class supporters. That is the way it has always been. Until now.

          Some elections are different from other elections. The electorate is fed up with the GOPe (you) and their lies. In this election, they trust someone that is not beholden to any of the donor class republicans. Next election, new day. This election, the GOPe has lost their base. It is the GOPe that has created the opportunity for a Donald Trump. They are powerless to stop him.

          I made it clear a long time ago, months ago, the GOPe is the victim and Trump is our murder weapon.

          Now, back to that list of presidents that are not wealthy…

Also, Cruz has bigger problems. A quarter of republicans don’t believe he’s qualified to be president.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/15/poll-quarter-of-republicans-think-cruzs-birthplace-disqualifies-him-from-presidency/

    And 28% of independents feel Cruz isn’t eligible to be President so he’s unelectable in the general election for this and many other reasons.

    rabidfox in reply to pesanteur. | January 15, 2016 at 9:16 pm

    All the more reason to get this out and into a court case before the convention. I always thought that natural born meant not having to be naturalized but I’m no lawyer.

I don’t know who won, but I think it was a mistake for Cruz to attack American citizens in the first place. A president really shouldn’t do that, and it’s one of the things about Obama that infuriates me, his pitting Americans against each other. Talking about NY values is really no different than talking about bitter clingers, and if one is wrong, they both are.

    Tyrconnell in reply to LBascom. | January 15, 2016 at 4:39 pm

    So, if anyone attacks the DC establishment (also Americans by the way) we can expect you to condemn that person as well?

      The “DC establishment” are the political whores class. There is a difference.

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | January 15, 2016 at 7:07 pm

        Really? So there’s an important difference between the politcal Collectivist whores of DC, NYC, Sacramento, Chicago, etc.

        Poor Barry.

          Most people do not think Cruz is referencing only the political class of New York with his NY values. Thus the difference. You can’t see it because you are blind.

          I’ve been right in every prediction regarding trump and cruz. Doesn’t matter what I prefer in a candidate. This is simple political analysis. The reference will not help cruz and will likely hurt him. Take it to the bank.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | January 15, 2016 at 8:10 pm

          …not worth a plugged nickle. I AM impressed with your opinion of yourself.

          Wows.

          ” I AM impressed with your opinion of yourself.”

          Thank you. Just the facts.

          Your analysis of this election has been wrong every time.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | January 15, 2016 at 9:19 pm

          Whoa…!!! Put up where I’ve done any “analysis” of the election, and how it was wrong.

          I mean a link, not another lie. Because I’ve generally limited myself to critique of T-rump and screwing you T-rump suckers to the wall. I don’t attempt much “analysis”.

          “I don’t attempt much “analysis”.”

          I’ll retract that statement. I may very well be confusing you with the other sufferers of TDS. Hard to tell the difference sometimes.

If I recall correctly, Governor Andrew Cuomo himself that “extreme conservatives” were not welcome in NY. So why, exactly, should Cruz apologize for not wanting a piece of those values?

http://conservativepost.com/conservatives-not-welcome-in-new-york/

    Radegunda in reply to Leslie Eastman. | January 15, 2016 at 11:40 pm

    And Cuomo was talking about the entire state. Cruz was only referring to Trump’s association of his own left-leaning viewpoints with the city (or part of it).

Well that didn’t take long. Earlier today Cruz APOLOGIZED to New York. Just saw it on Fox.

So much hopeful windbaggery above and all for naught.

So sorry. Bye bye.

Cruz said I apologize. He apologized. That is what people will remember. He’s no Trump.

Plus in that whole several minutes of apologizing over and over Cruz never ties this theme into Trump. He just leaves it out there as an attack on New York unrelated to Trump.

So much for the idea that tbis is some deep think planned out attack on Trump. Cruz is fumbling the ball badly.

He’s no Trump.

    Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 15, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    “He’ no T-rump”.

    True. He’s not a lying, sleaze-ball cowardly narcissist.

    But you ARE a lying SOS, and you know it, like it, and cultivate it.

    And I LOVE punking you.

      So much vitriol. LOL

      Your nerves are getting pretty frayed there Ragsy. So hopeful over all this you were, and turns out Cruz had no plan and has turned the ball over with his apology.

      Cruz is learning the hard way Trump is not David Dewhurst and it takes more skills and experience than just being a debater and lawyer to be president.

      Cruz is no Trump.

      Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | January 15, 2016 at 8:07 pm

      “Vitriol”…???

      You are really too stupid AND dishonest to live! I LOVE working you like this!

      T-rump has “skills” alright! He’s a crony capitalist nonpareil, and a WONDERFULLY skilled fraud!

      But it takes more than that to be a president. Well, different from Obama. Dunnit, lying SOS?

        Blah blah blah getting all mad and spitting on your keyboard won’t help Ragsy.

        Cruz is losing and he is going to keep losing. After Iowa his 15 minutes will be over. Unless he keeps apologizing and Trump decides to throw him a bone.

        There is no deep think plan. If he is not careful Trump could hook up with Rubio for VP and have the establishment close ranks with him freezing out Cruz and Bush.

        You, Cruz and Rubio may not realize it yet but it is likely that Cruz and Rubio are competing with each other to be Trump’s VP and that is the only prize available for either of them left to claim.

        He’s no Trump

    Radegunda in reply to Gary Britt. | January 15, 2016 at 11:45 pm

    You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension.

Here’s the NEXT phase of the Cruz “New York values” push…

“Donald Trump has lived in New York all his life. He’s been a man of great influence for several decades, with his fabulous wealth and connections.

Yet for all his life, he’s done nothing to change the conditions of common New Yorkers. He’s done nothing to change the values of the political power structure in his own city. Instead, he swam like a fish in that stream of corruption, making himself all the richer and more connected to the powers that be.

Now this man who has embraced those New York values wants to push those values out into the rest of America. Out into your state, your city or town, and YOUR home.”

It practically writes itself…

HEH…!!!

    From your mouth to Cruz’s ear. LOL

    Great plan it shows a deep command of the issues and competing dynamics concerning voters.

    Brilliant !

      Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 15, 2016 at 9:08 pm

      This isn’t for you, being incapable of thought as you are…

      but it’s an interesting question; here’s this guy with all this wonderfulness dripping from his fingers, and billions of dollars, and he’s done shit-all for New York all these decades.

      Now, he’s telling us he’s our savior?

        rabidfox in reply to Ragspierre. | January 15, 2016 at 9:21 pm

        How many New Yorkers has Trump employed vs the number of New Yorkers employed by Cruz? BTW, I’m a Cruz supporter and don’t think his attack on NY is going to hurt much but Ragspierre you seem almost hysterical in your anti-Trumpness.

          Ragspierre in reply to rabidfox. | January 15, 2016 at 9:29 pm

          You missed my point.

          Sure, Duh Donald has employed people in his New York businesses, and purely incidental to HIS making money. All good. Though it can be shown that if T-rump weren’t providing hotel space to fill demand, someone else would. He’s just an opportunist, not a creator or innovator.

          But what did T-rump do to change the New York VALUES, making them more conservative, more market-oriented, and more free?

          Not jack shit. He has been marinating in them, just fine.

Read Cruz’s “apology” at the update link. Awesome, and of course that’s what he meant about “New York values.”

We have had 7 years of a scumbag politician dividing people in this country and pitting them against one another for political advantage. I find Cruz’s actions quite improper.

Trump has a positive message seeking to bring us all together and make america great again. To make us secure in our homes and jobs. To bring us together as americans and stand united against those other countries that want to invade our borders and take our jobs, wealth, and freedom.

What is Cruz’s message? How can he bring us together when he is willing to pit us against each other like Obama, just so he can get another government job.

If Cruz is willing to pit us against each other then what other bad things is he willing to do or lie he is willing to tell or position he his willing to flip on to achieve his ends.

He hid his Canadian citizenship when he ran for Senate. He hid his Goldman Sachs loans from the FEC and he’s already stated he won’t deport illegal aliens but will just try to pressure them to self deport. He can’t be trusted to build a wall or not do the bidding of Goldman Sachs and his other mega donors.

His attempt to pit one region of this country against other regions. Citizen against citizen shows he is willing to tear this country apart to get what he wants just like Obama over the last 7 years.

Maybe some of you here want another divider in chief. A politician who has never had a real world job or built anything or met a payroll. But for me I want a leader with a positive agenda who wants to unite all americans. Like Reagan did.

That person is Donal Trump. Not some crass calculating silver tongued Canadian pretending to be something he isn’t.

    “He hid his Canadian citizenship when he ran for Senate. He hid his Goldman Sachs loans from the FEC”

    Bullshit. And you know it. I’m starting to think you are just Rags with a different candidate.

    Trump can be sold without making shit up. You’re no different than the legion of TDS sufferers.

    Politics is a nasty sport. Cruz plays it just like trump. Just like they all do. There are no saints in this business and I do not want a saint as president.

      pesanteur in reply to Barry. | January 16, 2016 at 12:49 am

      “There are no saints in this business and I do not want a saint as president.”

      Quite right. The search for perfection leads only to tragedy and/or tyranny. We must decide which flaws we can and can’t live with, because they all have them.

      I replied by mistake a couple posts down.

    Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 16, 2016 at 9:50 am

    “But for me I want a leader with a positive agenda who wants to unite all americans. Like Reagan did.”

    Well, there’s another crock of lying, idiotic crap!

    Reagan was HATED by the Collective, and the nation was sharply divided during his time in office. Of course, he knew it would be, and made no pretense or apologies about leading as a CONSERVATIVE (not WTF you pretend T-rump is, and have admitted). Ala CRUZ.

    And Duh Donald…a UNITER…!!!

    “Throw ’em out. Keep their coats!”

    BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHA…gasp, gasp…HAHAHAHAHA!!!

if it was a trap for Trump then with the Cruz apology it appears to have caught Cruz …

the lesson is this … if you try to sling mud at Trump (and don’t kid yourself this was mud slinging by Cruz) he will hammer you back …

you can disagree with Trump on policy and he’ll leave you alone …

go after him personally and he WILL respond and usually make you regret starting the fight …

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to dorsaighost. | January 16, 2016 at 4:47 am

    That’s because Trump doesn’t know squat about policy or what is going on in any given area and couldn’t care less. He’s 69 and never given a damn about anybody except his immediate family in his entire life.

    But when it comes to any attack on his ever-so-fragile ego, he goes postal. That’s why he’s sued so many “little people” and bankrupted them.

    Any suggestion that he’s not ‘the best’, ‘smartest’, ‘richest’, ‘most powerful’ throws the little egomaniac into Napoleon tantrum mode. His face turns red and his lips sneer, like some sort of deranged beast.

    jlronning in reply to dorsaighost. | January 16, 2016 at 9:20 am

    Ted WAS criticizing on issues, using Trumps own definition of New York values from the Russert interview (= liberal, even saying he would not oppose partial birth abortion).

Gee Barry, a little Grumpy tonight aren’t you? In that entire long post you find two items you wish to contest and you go way over the top. Impugning my motives and character and comparing me to Rags of all things.

I’m afraid we will have to disagree on Cruz hiding his loans from the FEC. He is too smart for me to buy his rather convenient I put it on the wrong form excuse. That is exactly the kind if “mistake” a lawyer like Cruz or a Clinton would make. I was in Texas in 2012 when Cruz ran and I don’t remember him ever talking about his Canadian citizenship.

So you can call whatever you want. But I don’t care for you pretending to know what is in my heart or in my mind. I suggest you go to bed and get some rest. Hopefully you will feel better in the morning. If tomorrow you still feel the same way then stop reading my posts and stuff your thoughts about them up your ass.

    PhillyGuy in reply to Gary Britt. | January 16, 2016 at 5:10 am

    Well Slick Rafael took down his “apology.” That is a terrible angle to take against Trump. It makes him looks like he wants to be President of Iowa. I think his campaign just jumped the shark. If I were him I would back off that. It didn’t go well in the debate and it won’t go well across America.

    And since Rafael only relinquished his Canadian citizenship in 2014, it is quite accurate to say he misled the Texas voters by omitting that fact during his Senate run.

    Well, I’ve been to bed and nothing changed. You still wrote what you wrote which is BS. And making shit up is still making shit up. A good nights rest doesn’t seem to change that.

      Well, that is a shame. I expected more thoughtfulness and maturity from you Barry. While someone like Rags regularly claims to know what is in others hearts and minds and even what is in legal documents he has never seen or discussed with any party to such documents, I had hoped after a good night’s sleep you would realize your statements impugning my character were improper and uncalled for.

      It is one thing to say you don’t agree with someone’s statements or thinking, nothing wrong with that, but it is an entirely different matter to claim a person is intentionally lying or acting out of some malicious intent. That is how a child like Rags behaves, and I thought you were better than that.

      Well the solution to your distress caused by the expression of my opinions is simple, stop reading my posts and just GFY.

      All the best,

      Gary

      Oh and by the way. Donald Trump himself has tweeted today that he like me also believes that Cruz hid his goldman sachs loans from the FEC for exactly the same reasons I gave yesterday. So I guess you need to contact him and let him know you think he is full of shit and he should stop making things up and lying about Cruz. I guess you will have to tell Trump you are dropping your support for him because you can’t support a candidate who spouts bullshit and makes up lies about Cruz.

      And secondly. Cruz did hide his canadian citizenship when running for senate.

      I’ll be waiting to see who you will now support for president since you couldn’t possibly continue to support Trump if he is going to make Tweets claiming Cruz hid his Goldman Sachs loans from the FEC. We all know from what you have said so strongly to me you couldn’t possibly abide this horrible transgression from Trump without revealing yourself to be a complete hypocrite.

      ;-)) Karma is a bitch.

        Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 16, 2016 at 4:24 pm

        “So I guess you need to contact him and let him know you think he is full of shit and he should stop making things up and lying about Cruz.”

        Well, since Duh Donald seems to be losing his shit (like a certain idiot here has done) over Cruz’s successesssss, a LOT of other people are doing exactly as you suggest.

        “Trump’s increasingly anxious rhetoric is ironic given his troubling shifts in position as the race nears its conclusion.

        Remember when Donald Trump supported an assault weapons ban and then lied to AmmoLand about it?

        How about when he supported fourth trimester partial-birth abortions, citing his “New York” values?

        As for being “owned” by the banks, can you guess whose properties are mortgaged to the hilt and has already declared his businesses bankrupt four times?

        Look, I would support Mr. Trump over Hillary Clinton because I would support the bag-lady on 34th Street over Hillary Clinton. I would like Mr. Trump’s supporters to make the same statement about, say, Mr. Cruz.

        That many will not make that pledge, apparently mesmerized by a cult of personality, says volumes about the nature of Mr. Trump’s support.”
        —Doug Ross

          All lies based on 20 year old stuff. Yawn.

          Cruz says he won’t deport any illegals. He will only try to pressure them to self deport.

          Cruz can’t be trusted.

          Trump will build wall and make Mexico pay for it.

          Trump understands tradexand will bring jobs back to US. Cruz promises to ship more jobs and USA sovereignty over seas with his support for Obamatrade.

          Pure conservatives would rather ship your job overseas because of “principle” than fight for fair trade agreements and help you keep your job and get a raise.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | January 16, 2016 at 5:15 pm

          No, Gaghdad Bob. We all know YOU are the liar. We’ve seen it all demonstrated HERE, and everywhere else you’ve posted on T-rump on LI.

          But it’s funny to watch you spin in like a post-hole digger hitting clay…!!!

      Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | January 16, 2016 at 4:18 pm

      See, Barry? It always is true; the fanatical cult acolyte never hates anyone worse than he hates an apostate.

      Sad. And truly ugly. In a hilarious sort of way…!!!

Check out the Saturday AM New York Post front page (just saw it here at Panera’s): “CRUZ MISSLE” (quoting Ted’s “apology” to new yorkers) – love it. http://www.nypost.com

I grew up in what is now called Sleepy Hollow (yes, THAT Sleepy Hollow). It’s in Westchester County and about 15 miles from the Bronx border. Heck, you can see Manhattan from there.

Anyone who comes from Westchester identifies with the NYC metro area, rather than the rest of the state. Our whole lives are influenced HEAVILY by “Da City.” I spent a LOT of time there and came to know parts of it pretty darn well.

However, even we are “victims” of that city’s arrogance and hoity toity attitude. I have met more than one person who grew up in the five boroughs and when I tell them where I’m from in NY, they respond, “Oh, you’re from UPSTATE,” condescension dripping from every word. I was floored the first time I heard it. Another is, “Oh, you’re from the COUNTRY.” (Believe me, my neighborhood is NOT the country.)

After running into this multiple times, I really started to dislike NYC and began thanking the Lord every day that I left that area, so manny, many years ago. Best thing I ever did.

MaggotAtBroadAndWall | January 16, 2016 at 10:29 am

I have not read all of the comments so maybe this point has already been mentioned. However, I have not seen it mentioned at other sites, so maybe not.

But the first thing that I thought about when I heard Cruz use the phrase “New York values” was Jeane Kirkpatrick’s speech at the 1984 Republican Convention. Kirkpatrick had been a lifelong Democrat and national security hawk. She had grown frustrated by her party’s attitude toward foreign policy, which she (and other conservative Democrats) attributed to Democrats pandering to ’60s radicals. In the speech she repeatedly referred to her party as the “San Francisco Democrats” and, more famously, “the blame America first crowd”. That speech helped bring what is still referred to today as “Reagan Democrats” into the Republican coalition – and depending on how it is measured, gave Reagan either the largest or second largest landslide victory of the 20th century. Cruz frequently refers to the “Reagan Democrats” on the trail. I have no doubt he is fully aware of Kirkpatrick’s use of “San Francisco Democrats” in that speech.

I think Cruz is using “New York values” the way Kirkpatrick used “San Francisco Democrats”. Now everybody will think of Trump as “New York values”. Cruz explained “New York values” as not just socially liberal, but the influence New York has on the media and money. Every Republican hates the media and some populist Republicans don’t care much for Wall Street. And since Hillary also is from New York, he can use the “New York values” label against her in the general if Cruz and Hillary get their party’s nomination. In effect, he is going to give voters in every state a chance to express what they think of the media, Wall Street, and “New York values” in both the primary against Trump and the general against Hillary.

    Yeeeeup. A brilliant shorthand for “blue state and blue city failure” and all that means.

    “Escape from New York” isn’t just a movie… For MOST Americans, it’s an every-day imperative. And it’s how they vote.

    I certainly hope you are correct and this is Cruz’s strategy. Personally I don’t think you are correct, but if you are correct it will show Cruz has no idea how to beat either Trump or Hillary.

    In this election the message vote for me because the other guy is a liberal will fail miserably. Especially when the other guy is the only one trusted to be tough, be a leader, build a wall, deport illegals, and not get pushed around ever by the PC crowd.

Mark Levin knows EXACTLY what Cruz means by “New York values”.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/01/glenn-beck-donald-trump-is-a-progressive-the-gop-establishment-supports-trump-video/

Well, Beck seems to have Duh Donald’s number, and no mistake.

Poor Dim Jim Hoft can’t take it in.

The Cruz Apology is priceless.

Friendly advice, Donald, and I do mean friendly…
Mark Levin·Saturday, January 16, 2016

Either cut the crap – your accusations this morning that Cruz is Canadian, a criminal, owned by big banks, etc. (see link below) – or you will lose lots and lots of conservatives. Save the liberal New York City bully tactics for the New York City liberals. Put down your computer keyboard for a few hours, think before you tweet, and collect yourself. You’re not politically invincible, regardless of the polls and media. I am already hearing more and more people getting fed up with the low road you’re taking against Cruz, which has obviously intensified this morning. You don’t need to attack his honor or attempt to smear his reputation. You can leave that to Mitch McConnell and the New York Times. Engage on real and substantive issues that matter to the country. Like I said, my friendly advice.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/16/trump-tees-off-cruz-a-canadian-who-goldman-sachs-citi-bank-owns/

Yep. As I said, conservatives have about had it with Duh Donald attacking from the Left, and distracting from real issues to slime Cruz.

    Levin jumps in to defend the slick willy lawyer who has basically never held a job that wasn’t a political crony patronage appointment and with all his flip flops can’t be trusted on immigration with goldman sachs spouse and credentials of a natural born Canadian. LOL. When you’ve lost Levin you’ve lost one vote.

      Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 16, 2016 at 5:19 pm

      That hi-pitched whining sound is Gaghdad Bob going into “hyper-lie” mode.

      T-rump is losing his shit, and Britt is going right along for the ride!

    Rags quote from the always rude and screaming Levin is from Breitbart.com. Follow the link and read the comments. They are priceless. I’d say Levin is far more likely to lose listeners and join the insane Glenn Beck with falling ratings than Trump is to lose voters.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/16/mark-levin-friendly-advice-for-trump-cut-the-low-end-crap/

    Cruz is losing.

    Also note how Huckabee has come out for Trump’s honesty and will do what he says while noting how Cruz has been slick willy flip flopping politician on Obamatrade and immigration. Cruz can’t be trusted.

      Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 16, 2016 at 5:59 pm

      “Rags quote from the always rude and screaming Levin is from Breitbart.com.”

      Lies one, two, and three.

      The quote was from Levin’s own facebook account, AND from here…
      https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/01/friendly-advice-to-donald-trump

      I’d say that Trump suckers on Trumpbart are goners, and never were conservatives in any real sense, like Gaghdad Bob.

      “Cruz is losing”.

      Well, certainly not by any standard I can find. It’s T-rump who’s been losing his shit all day, apparently in a narcissistic melt-down over the latest NBC polling that shows him handily beating Duh Donald in a two-man match.

      “Also note how Huckabee has come out for Trump’s honesty and will do what he says while noting how Cruz has been slick willy flip flopping politician on Obamatrade and immigration.”

      Oh! Yaaaaaah Hucksterbeee, the OTHER Progressive, populist lying sack of shit! With endorsements like that, T-rump is DOOOOOOOOOoooooooooomed…!!!

      The facts, as opposed to Gaghdad Bob’s continuous stream of lies, are that Cruz and Sessions killed the ObamaTrade boondoggle, AND Cruz and Sessions killed the 2013 immigration bill when T-rump was pulling FOR it.

      “Cruz can’t be trusted.”

      Sure he can. He has the record to prove it. Just like T-rump has the record to show he’s a fraud, liar, and narcissist who would crap on the Constitution just like Obama, but from a slightly different tack. Crap is still crap.

Did Cruz mention anything about the overwhelming piss smell that seems to hang over NYC? Just wondering…

Once you get past Ted Cruz’s flip flops on Immigration, H-1B visas, Birthright Citizenship/14th Amendment, Defense Spending, NSA Bulk Metadata Collection, Background Checks, TPA Fast Track, SCOTUS John Roberts, Refugee Acceptance, Syria, Ethanol, Crop Insurance Program, Abolishing TSA and that he is an USURPER (not a natural born citizen) like Obama…he’s really a pretty good guy.

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