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What if VA Dem politicians had to abide same anti-gun rules imposed on citizens?

What if VA Dem politicians had to abide same anti-gun rules imposed on citizens?

It might happen if some in VA GOP get their way.

Virginia had an election in November which Democrats, including governor Terry McAuliffe, hoped would give them control of the state senate. They campaigned in part on gun control and lost, but that hasn’t stopped them from pushing their agenda.

After failing to achieve their goals through the democratic process, top Democrats are enacting gun control measures at the executive level.

The Washington Post reported:

Virginia to stop recognizing concealed carry gun permits from 25 states

Virginia Attorney General Mark R. Herring announced Tuesday that the commonwealth will no longer recognize out-of-state concealed handgun permits, part of a national push to circumvent legislatures opposed to tightening gun laws.

Herring (D) said 25 states have lax laws compared with Virginia, where a history of stalking, drug dealing or inpatient mental health treatment can disqualify someone from carrying a concealed handgun. The move is in step with actions governors and attorneys general are taking to address gun violence without going through Republican-controlled legislatures.

“While you are here, you are subject to the commonwealth’s gun laws,” Herring said during a news conference…

In October, Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) signed an executive order to ban firearms in state office buildings. And President Obama is considering using his executive authority to bypass Congress to expand background checks.

“This has been where the gun violence prevention movement is going,” said Chelsea Parsons, vice president of guns and crime policy at the liberal Center for American Progress. “In much the same way President Obama said I’m not going to wait for Congress anymore, the same can be said for leaders at the state level to really use their authority to take strong meaningful steps on this issue.”

Here’s the governor discussing the issue with MSNBC’s Chris Matthews just before the election:

Republicans who maintained majority control think the governor should live by his own rules.

Bearing Arms reports (emphasis is mine):

VA GOP May Strip McAuliffe Of His Protective Detail Over Concealed Carry

Virginia’s radically anti-gun Governor and Attorney General were probably quite pleased with themselves when they spitefully severed concealed carry agreements with 25 states, including all but one of its neighbors.

They probably didn’t anticipate the backlash they’ve received, which includes calls to recall or impeach Attorney General Mark Herring, and pushes for legislation that will both strip elected officials of the ability to make such unilateral decisions, and get a little payback.

Herring’s announcement came three weeks before the start of the General Assembly session, which is controlled by Republicans. In November, a bill was filed that would require Virginia to recognize permits from other states. If approved, it would reverse Herring’s ruling.

Carrico said he’ll address the issue come January.

“A lot of the governor’s power is deferred to the General Assembly at that point and I’ll be getting with my collegues to circumvent everything this governor has done on this point,” he said. “I have a budget amendment that I’m looking at to take away his executive protection unit. If he’s so afraid of guns, then I’m not going to surround him with armed state policemen.”

That only makes sense, right? People on Twitter seem to agree:

That pretty much covers it.

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Guess that means open carry when travelling through Virginia.

If he is anything like his politcal precursors, then I’m sure the details will be happy.

SC, which was one of the 25, requires a 2 day class, a written exam, a shooting proficiency test, and fingerprints. I don’t understand what was lax in that.

    Don’t let facts get in the way of the narrative. Controllers never do.

    guns = evil, because that allows for INDEPENDENCE from your betters

    Sanddog in reply to amwick. | December 28, 2015 at 1:05 pm

    It would have been helpful if some intrepid reporter had actually written an article about this that outlined the requirements in Virginia vs the states that were axed… but that would require an actual act of journalism.

    VA’s permit system disqualifies people — for life — for various non-violent misdemeanors, as well as felonies. SC’s doesn’t disqualify for those misdemeanors. That’s the rub.

    Or as I like to call it, “the excuse”.

Herring (D) said 25 states have lax laws compared with Virginia, where a history of stalking, drug dealing or inpatient mental health treatment can disqualify someone from carrying a concealed handgun.

Illinois is not lax. Nope.

And, there is no such thing as a “gun show loop hole”. But there is Democrat loop holes, such as sanctuary cites that allow criminals and drug lords and disease to run rampant.

    MaggotAtBroadAndWall in reply to jennifer a johnson. | December 28, 2015 at 9:51 am

    “Loophole” is Democrat-speak. It means they’ve discovered a tiny bit of freedom and liberty that somehow remains unmolested by government, and they intended to fix it.

What I would like to hear (but won’t hold my breath) is this question: “Mrs. Clinton, as a candidate for president and as a good friend of Governor McAuliffe, do you believe in this gun control measure which circumvents the voters of Virginia and please explain your answer?”

    Here’s the question I’d like to hear, but never will:
    “Mrs. Clinton, as a self-described voice for women and an advocate for women’s rights and safety, would you classify Juanita Broadrick as a liar?”

actually I think its a bad idea.
the chances of something happening are too great to ignore and the gop/nra will bear the price in a manner we have never seen before.
better to just outline the hypocrisy of being protected while refusing average citizen the same chances.

    Semper Why in reply to dmacleo. | December 28, 2015 at 12:05 pm

    Oh, do tell us what you believe are the chances that someone who 1) can’t get a CHL in Virginia will 2) get a permit from another state, 3) use that out of state permit to legally carry a pistol and 4) use that pistol unlawfully?

    Surely if it’s such a damnable risk, then it must have happened already. Right?

      talking about something happening to the governor after protection removed, wtf does that have to so with anyone having a CHL?
      those with CHL would tend to not be the type to try to hurt a sitting politician anyway.
      how well do you think this will work if he got shot after his protection was removed?
      stop thinking short term.

        how well do you think this will work if he got shot after his protection was removed?

        For him, about as well as it works for anyone else — whose protection (under CCW reciprocity) he’s just removed — who gets shot at.

        For his die-hard “gun control” comrades, even better; his “gun death” will be used to further the cause.

        For the rest, a sound re-assertion that “good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns”.

    Milwaukee in reply to dmacleo. | December 29, 2015 at 12:33 am

    Big city mayors are more likely to be assassinated than governors, so remove security of those folks as well. Then there would be a new song sung.

    Security for me but not for thee.

    Arminius in reply to dmacleo. | December 30, 2015 at 6:01 am

    The GOP can get out in front of that really easy. In VA, as in many places, there are people who got their CHLs because there were and are credible threats to their lives. Say a divorced woman. And she learned something about the power of restraining orders when her jealous controlling ex was kicking her door down. No piece of paper, ever, has jumped up and grappled with a home invader or taken a bullet for anyone.

    So their armed protection is themselves. Or was. Now when they travel, or if they live on the border of VA and work in a neighboring state that now no longer reciprocates with VA, McCauliffe has just deprived them of their armed protection.

    So, what is the press going to say about them when one of them gets killed. That on the liberal animal farm all pigs are created equal, but some people’s lives are more equal than others? That the peasants just have to understand that the lives of their betters are just worth more than those of their own miserable selves?

    Naw. The press will just ignore those killings. So I would get out in front and say that since McCauliffe and his AG have such utter disregard for those lives, instead of taking the heat should something happen to McCauliffe we’re going to memorialize the people who might have lived had they had a gun.

    And why should the peons who McCauliffe just deprived of their armed defense pay for the armed defense of the uber pig?

    It’s a very simple thing. McCauliffe can pay for his own damned private security out of his ample salary. Not the tax payers he just spit on.

DINORightMarie | December 28, 2015 at 9:37 am

First, I live in VA, and this has outraged most of us. But, this was the PLAN – get McAuliffe in as governor, turn the state (commonwealth) BLUE. The Dems SWEPT the elections because they took down the sitting governor on trumped-up “corruption” charges (NOTHING he did was illegal – yet the leftists got their pound of flesh conviction….in Richmond, a VERY blue part of VA). So, this is what we have to deal with – elections have consequences. This Repub-majority (barely) Gen. Assembly has been typical of a RINO elitist one, waiting to REACT rather than PREVENT. But that’s where we are. [OT- watch for Hill-da-beast to tap McAuliffe for her VP running-mate. They are VERY old fellow-traveler, deal-making, devious, crooked-to-the-core friends.]

“The move is in step with actions governors and attorneys general are taking to address gun violence without going through Republican-controlled legislatures.” -WaPo excerpt

Second, regarding the above quote, I challenge the WaPo to name ONE state – Dem or Repub governor – who has done this by State AG Executive Action, running around the state’s lawmaking body to push an unpopular agenda. This has, in essence, caused Virginians to be put in jeopardy of arrest if we conceal carry to ANY other state, save West Virginia, as well as the other way around; it’s a reciprocity agreement that has been WIPED OUT. So, it imperils ALL OF US in Virginia who conceal carry AND all who travel here. Great way to promote the state, Gov.!!! (/sarc, of course)

Hopefully this will be remembered in 2017 when we have our elections!!!!

    DINORightMarie in reply to DINORightMarie. | December 28, 2015 at 9:51 am

    ADDED: The WaPo article says New Mexico and Florida have done similar things, but they have not. Their is NOTHING on the books like this, done by the State’s AG. Not that I can find.

    (An aside: this gun-grab move follows a recommendation for FORCING gun control issued by the CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS recommends…… Read their report for a preview of what these totalitarian progs have planned for us – especially if Hill-da-beast wins the Presidency.)

    Doesn’t Pennsylvania count? Their AG canceled every reciprocity agreement that wasn’t amended to exclude non-resident permits, without a change of law requiring it.

Any anti-gun politician should be required to lead by example and ditch all armed protection.

I liked Glenn Reynold’s suggestion…

All affected states should cease to recognize Virginia driver’s licenses.


    As insult to injury, they should continue to recognize VA CHLs. 😉

    DINORightMarie in reply to Ragspierre. | December 28, 2015 at 4:07 pm

    That would get the public’s attention – and point it IN the right direction of who to blame!!

    As a Virginia driver, that would make me suffer, but it would be worth it to bring this nonsense back to common-sense basics, to eliminate this overreach.

buckeyeminuteman | December 28, 2015 at 10:45 am

I’ll be taking my tourist dollars elsewhere from now on. No need to become a helpless victim in Virginia. Thanks for the heads up!

Subotai Bahadur | December 28, 2015 at 2:07 pm

As pleasant as the thought is of removing his security detail, you know and I know that the Whigs do not have the testicular fortitude to actually stand up and oppose the Left. The WHIGe types will tamp down this kind of “extremist” talk and probably enlarge his detail to prove that they can get along.

McAuliffe . . . the same McAuliffe who turns up in investigations of corporate fraud time after time but always walks away with millions as workers lose their jobs and pensions? And other principals go to jail? The same McAuliffe who took dirty money from an African dictator? The McAuliffe who set up the Buddhist monks to give millions to Gore and raised millions for the Clintons? The McAuliffe who believes to this day that Gore won Florida?

The McAuliffe who Donald Trump supported and donated $25,000 to just two years ago? THAT McAuliffe?

I so hope this passes. They should also add a rider that he may not hire private armed security to be used on state property, which includes the Governors Mansion.

Also, their little lie that the states that they broke reciprocity with have training inadequate to VA is laughable, most of the state’s in question are stricter than VA.

The legislature should pass a bill for automatic reciprocity, that way the Gov. and AG have no choice.

    randian in reply to Gremlin1974. | December 29, 2015 at 2:06 am

    Inadequate training isn’t the fig leaf being used. Not forbidding carry licenses to persons convicted of certain misdemeanors is.

    Arminius in reply to Gremlin1974. | December 30, 2015 at 6:14 am

    I like the thought but I would narrow it down. After all the point is to make McCauliffe live by the same rules as everyone else. I read that McCauliffe signed an executive order banning concealed carry in all state office buildings, not state property in general.

    So, if his private security detail can be at his official residence, and on any state property where other CHLs can carry.

    But if he signs E.O.s banning CHL licencees from certain locations, then that applies to his private security as well.

    What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

It’s interesting to note that I am unable to find any evidence that states with more stringent training requirements to obtain a CCW have any better results than those with few requirements. IMO, this is the result of several factors.

Responsible people act responsibly, whether its operating a vehicle, carrying a gun, etc. Responsible behavior is a habit not dependent on circumstances.

Long distance shooting skills are of little value in the vast majority of civilian use of deadly force situations. Most of these occur at very close range – touching distance. (The perpetrator has to be close to the victim to intimidate or to use a contact weapon – knife, etc.) As the threat recedes in distance, it is harder to justify a deadly response.

Most people with a CCW simply don’t want to shoot. Despite the fantasies of liberals, most CCW holders have no desire to act out a Rambo fantasy.

Finding that the victim is armed makes many predators flee.

Indications are that our legislature will pass a bill recognizing every other state’s permit. Getting it past a veto will be the trick. If you want to follow this story go to:

McAuliffe is HEAVILY backed by Bloomberg. These are his marching orders from the Grabber in Chief.