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Jeb Bush fighting the last war (against Trump)

Jeb Bush fighting the last war (against Trump)

Jeb is fighting the last war, and some other election cycle.

https://youtu.be/IgKWPcpwFDs

Donald Trump thumped Jeb Bush the other day with an Instagram ad that has received a lot of attention, and a lot of free TV air time.

It was Willie Horton Part 2:

It was, of course, “unfair” in the sense that Bush’s comment about Act of Love related to illegal immigration in general, not those crimes.

But it was brilliant political theater.

Trump has been relentless in going after, prodding, and yes, emasculating the person who he viewed as his lead competition. Allahpundit describes the approach:

Come to think of it, it was another NRO writer, Kevin Williamson, who had one of the best descriptions I’ve read of Trumpmania, writing of his fans that “you will hear purportedly heterosexual men working up freestyle paeans to Trump’s alleged virility — those ‘pussies in Washington’ aren’t ready for ‘a real man like Trump,’ as one put it — and cataloguing his praises in exuberant gonadal terms, with special attention paid to calculating the heaviness of the Trumpian scrotum relative to the equipment being packed by, e.g., Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio.” Trump is the alpha, in other words, and Jeb’s the beta, and while a lot goes into that — wealth, lifestyle, which part of the party each purports to represent — the biggest chunk of it comes from Trump jabbing day after day at Jeb with no response until recently.

So now Jeb is punching back. But it’s a punch that to me is fighting the last war — the last election cycle where pointing out that someone is not a “true conservative” and had not been consistent mattered.

I don’t know that it matters when it comes to Trump’s supporters. Whatever he was then, they want what he says he is now.

Jeb is fighting the last war, and some other election cycle.

In the meantime, Jeb has dropped to single digits and is nearing the bottom of the Top 10 pack in Iowa, and the middle of the pack nationally. He has to figure out how to raise his own standing.

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Now that Carson is tying him in Iowa polls…I wonder what outrageous things Trump is going to say about him? That just might be his downfall since Carson comes across as a nice, decent man.

    dorsaighost in reply to mwsomerset. | September 2, 2015 at 9:52 am

    ever notice that if you leave Trump alone, he leaves you alone ? no ? well then you don’t get Trump …

      DING DING DING DING

      As a matter of fact, Trump was asked about Carson tying him in that poll.

      His response? Carson is a very nice guy.

      Juba Doobai! in reply to dorsaighost. | September 2, 2015 at 2:29 pm

      That’s the delightfully amusing thing about Trump. He’s so New York. He’s not going to waste ammunition on people who are not shooting at him. He’s focused on doing us a favor and surgically removing Beta-Boy Bush from the line up. The problem for Jeb is he looks, sounds, and acts like a whiny, head-tilting, pajama boy wuss.

That doesn’t appear to be the way Trump works. He seems to be more of a counterpuncher. But he just hired away Rick Perry’s Iowa campaign director, so I think the campaign will dig in a little more.

Trump’s twitter feed is hilarious. With over 4 million people now following him, you get to see the themes the campaign is willing to tackle.

Here’s one:

While millions are being spent against me in attack ads, they are paid for by the “bosses” and “owners” of candidates. I am self funding.

Here’s another:

Jeb is spending millions of dollars on “hit” ads funded by lobbyists & special interests. Bad system.

One that made me laugh:

For those that don’t think a wall (fence) works, why don’t they suggest taking down the fence around the White House? Foolish people!

    Radegunda in reply to PhillyGuy. | September 2, 2015 at 2:11 am

    “Jeb is spending millions of dollars on “hit” ads funded by lobbyists & special interests. Bad system.”

    So is it a better system if presidential candidates are all rich enough to fund their campaigns personally?

    Is buying an office with one’s own money more pure and honorable than buying an office with other people’s donations?

      At this time in American history, we need someone not beholden to the corrupt hacks hogging or political system. Trump fits right in.

      When that system gets sufficiently cleaned up some time in the future (if ever), we can get back to normalcy.

      A year to go to the election. We have the luxury of time to vet our candidate. Sit back and relax.

      Olinser in reply to Radegunda. | September 2, 2015 at 3:03 am

      In a word? ABSOLUTELY.

      I’m sick of lobbyists and the elite throwing money at politicians and getting sweetheart deals, uber government contracts, tax breaks, or special legislation.

      I’d much rather have somebody use their OWN money to win the office, than use other people’s money and pay them back with MY money.

        Ragspierre in reply to Olinser. | September 2, 2015 at 7:44 am

        “I’m sick of lobbyists and the elite throwing money at politicians and getting sweetheart deals, uber government contracts, tax breaks, or special legislation.”

        You just described T-rump. Amazing.

          Of course he did. He

          Trump knows where every other candidate’s skeletons are located and he is honest about it and that is a weapon he uses when candidates DING him on that.

          …like Rand Paul who previously solicited financial support from Trump then had the stupidity of attacking him on giving financial support till Trump called out Rand Paul’s hypocrisy in front of the world.

          Trump is open about past buying of influence and has contributed to both sides to steer the system.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | September 2, 2015 at 8:56 pm

          No, dear. He’s Mr. Establishment. He’s bought and sold influence like the crony capitalist he IS. What he was “steering” was his own interests, and damn your’s to hell.

          Ever notice how T-rump’s enemies so often “asked him for money and he turned them down” so now they are attacking him?

          Like the small-government, free market Club For Growth who are now a “pack of thieves” according to the T-rump (because they had the temerity to criticize Mr. Establishment)?

          That is what narcissists do. The world is either friends or enemies, and you can’t take criticism.

        NbyNW in reply to Olinser. | September 2, 2015 at 11:55 am

        I’m no Jeb supporter, but it seems he is not the “bought” politician Trump alleges.

        “Donald Trump openly boasts that he donates to politicians so he can exact favors from them after they reach office.

        He did so for Jeb Bush in 1998, holding a high-dollar fundraiser for the gubernatorial candidate in Trump Tower and shelling out $50,000 to the Florida Republican Party. But when Bush took office in 1999, Trump didn’t get the political help he needed to make his casino dreams a reality in the Sunshine State.”

        Instead, Bush maintained his hardline stance against gambling in the state, delivering a death blow to Trump’s hopes of building out a multi-million dollar casino endeavor with the Seminole Tribe of Florida and prompting him to abandon those plans.

        http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/01/politics/donald-trump-jeb-bush-gambling-casinos-florida/index.html

          Juba Doobai! in reply to NbyNW. | September 2, 2015 at 2:36 pm

          So Bush reneged on his part of the bargain. This is vastly amusing. Like Trump, Bush knows the deal is quid pro quo. He screwed Trump out of his quid, so Trump is screwing Jeb out of the quo. This is simply a riot.

          NbyNW in reply to NbyNW. | September 2, 2015 at 9:37 pm

          Juba Doobai! Only a Trump supporter could interpret this the way you did. The article specifically states that Bush maintained his hardline stance against gambling. Trump knew his stance. He thought he could buy him, but he couldn’t.

          Trump himself is now accepting donations. Is he a puppet? The truth is, he can’t self-finance an entire campaign because he doesn’t have enough liquid assets, despite being a billionaire.

      wukong in reply to Radegunda. | September 2, 2015 at 7:56 am

      At least there is complete transparency. You know exactly where the funding is coming, it’s up front and honest.

      tom swift in reply to Radegunda. | September 2, 2015 at 9:08 am

      So is it a better system if presidential candidates are all rich enough to fund their campaigns personally?

      In one important respect, it is better.

      We have some reasonable idea who is funding Trump. It’s Trump.

      We don’t generally know that about other candidates. Who’s really funding, say, Hillary? There’s some reason to believe that it’s China. Probably not good.

      With Trump there aren’t so many hidden influences. Maybe.

Ok Jebs ad against Trump is good but it doesn’t matter as the professor points out.

As long as there isn’t anybody else even pretending to care about immigration problems, the other stuff doesn’t matter.

If some other candidate had Trumps immigration platform, then and only then does that matter. It doesn’t matter if the alternative is pro amnesty, pro common core Jeb Bush, who has been wrong on every conservative issue since 2006.

And the candidates without charisma don’t count. Uncharismatic Mitt Romneys don’t win elections as Republicans anymore.

If such a candidate did exist, charismatic and right on the biggest issues, then there is a strong case against Trump: formerly pro choice, formerly anti gun, pals with the Clintons, spent 10 years at anti Republican NBC….

But everybody else seems to be afraid. Are all of the other candidates wimps, or do they represent donors who hate the base?

Coupla thangs…

1. the hardest part about “emasculating” Jeb! is location…(microsurgery, politically speaking)

2. “Whatever he was then, they want what he says he is now.” Which is nuts.

Trump has been forthright about who he is, what he’s done, and why he’s done it. Overheard from a delusional Hillary fanatic in the ladies who lunch set in the Hamptons who knows him well (to my chagrin, my own sister):

“Trump is dangerous. I have absolutely no doubt when he says that he’s going to do something, that he is going to do it.”

    Ragspierre in reply to janitor. | September 2, 2015 at 7:48 am

    Like tell people with whom and where they can do business?

    He thinks he should have that power. He’s a BIG GOVERNMENT puke, and he IS dangerous.

MouseTheLuckyDog | September 2, 2015 at 12:59 am

The thing is that Trump may sell out conservatives if he becomes president. We already know that Bush and the GOPe will sell out conservatives. Boy I wish there was some tag that would allow me to use H1 font flashing between red and blue rather then just bold. It cannot be emphasized enough. Especially the will.

Mississippi showed us what the GOPe think of the crazies/hobbits/LIVs when they don’t need them to hold their noses and vote for the establishment. The “conservative base” is becoming to the GOPe what the black vote is to the Democratic party. Something that can be treated like dung, but relied on for votes.
The conservative base sees this and does not like it one bit.

In the end a vote for Trump is a finger to Jeb, McConnell, Boehner and all the other establishment types and nothing will change that.

MouseTheLuckyDog | September 2, 2015 at 1:11 am

Professor a suggested poll,
Two questions.

1) Can you conceive of voting for Jeb Bush under any circumstances in the primary?
2) If Jeb Bush becomes the Republican nominee is there any chance you will vote for him in the general election?

The answers might be surprising for some.

    Any self-described conservative who would refuse to vote for Jeb in order to stop Hillary or Bernie or Elizabeth W. (or whoever wins the Dem primaries) is a self-indulgent fool. When the choice is between unsatisfactory and wretched, it’s crazy to think you’re gaining anything by letting wretched win, just so you can be proud of yourself for not voting for unsatisfactory.

    Self-indulgent fools always ask, “What do we get by voting for the lesser of two evils?”

    The answer is obvious: “We get less evil than we would otherwise have.”

      MouseTheLuckyDog in reply to Radegunda. | September 2, 2015 at 2:49 am

      You know what that sounds like? The argument given to black voters to vote Democratic.

      Olinser in reply to Radegunda. | September 2, 2015 at 3:09 am

      Wrong. You know what we get by voting for the lesser of two evils?

      We get the lesser evil, and then NEXT CYCLE we get the greater evil anyway.

      I’m sick of voting for RINOs.

      We gave Boehner and McConnell literally the biggest Republican majority in nearly a century and they have done ****ing NOTHING with it.

      No more RINOs. No more ‘well he’s the best we’re going to get’.

      That’s why Trump is winning. He’s tapped into the knowledge that the right is fed up and wants somebody willing to actually DO something, and given his narcissism he’s more than willing to do it if it makes him President.

      That’s why I trust Trump. He knows how to get things done. He’s willing to say anything if it makes him President. And he’s a big enough narcissist that he will then DO what he said to ensure he gets elected a second time.

      Enough with the worthless RINOs.

      MouseTheLuckyDog in reply to Radegunda. | September 2, 2015 at 3:20 am

      Any self-described conservative who would refuse to vote for Jeb in order to stop Hillary or Bernie or Elizabeth W. (or whoever wins the Dem primaries) is a self-indulgent fool.

      Well then, the poll would show what percentage of self indulgent fools populate this site.

      BTW I think a bigger self indulgent fools is the person who “holds their nose and votes” for a person who calls them crazies/hobbits/LIVs when the person doesn’t need their vote. Fact is that probably fits the definition better.

      Henry Hawkins in reply to Radegunda. | September 2, 2015 at 2:45 pm

      If such is your reasoning, you are in no position to call anyone a self-indulgent fool.

      Note that conservative voters find no problem voting for conservative GOP candidates on the state and local level. On the national level they’ve had no one to vote for once the GOP rigged the primary campaign to get their insider in place.

      Do you honestly think it persuasive in bringing people to your line of thinking by declaring they’ll be fools if they do not? This is exactly the kind of lip conservatives get from the GOP leadership. You, and the GOP, foolishly self-indulge with this bit of moronic logic that holds conservatives have no where else to go but these milquetoast crony insiders the GOP puts up every four years.

      Anybody want my vote? Gimme what I want and I’ll vote for you. Don’t, and I won’t. Has it ever been different? When has and why should “vote for me -I’m the lesser evil!” ever worked?

      Know this: No matter which candidate, no matter which party, if a voter fails to vote for you it is always, always, always your fault, not the fault of the voter.

    Why would that be useful?

    Jeb! is toast. He’s not going to be the nominee.

    We need to WORK FOR someone we can back entirely.

      Not A Member of Any Organized Political in reply to Ragspierre. | September 2, 2015 at 9:05 am

      “NO MORE CLINTON-BUSH!”

      It’s the official protest slogan of 2016!

      Thanks to your favorite candidate, TRUMP.

      If you think otherwise, explain it please.

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | September 2, 2015 at 10:35 am

        Were you EVER going to vote for Jeb!?

        Yeh. Me neither.

        Just like I’ll never vote for the BIG GOVERNMENT fraud, T-rump, if he’s the GOP nominee.

        What I will do is work to get Cruz nominated.

          No, I will never again vote for the R nominee being shoved down my throat because they are slightly less Marxist than the D nominee.

          I have done what little I can to elect Cruz, give money. Supporting Cruz does not mean I cannot recognize reality. The reality is the R party had a plan to elect jeb! Trump trashed it completely.

          I would take a chance and vote for trump. Why? It is my feeling that he is honest compared to the snakes nest currently in place. Cannot.be.worse than the normal R nominee since Reagan. Might be better.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | September 2, 2015 at 11:19 am

          Up to you, of course.

          I don’t want anOTHER narcissistic fraud. Which is T-rump.

          Did it ever occur to you why Trump and Cruz and Sarah Palin are cozy? If you deny that that you are wrong.

          “I don’t want anOTHER narcissistic fraud. Which is T-rump.”

          Each to his own of course. I understand why you don’t like him, but I do believe you have not looked as deeply as you think you have. There is more there than meets the eye.

          My point all along has been to use Trump for the most important purpose, defeating the R elites. In that sense, mission almost accomplished. A long way to the election, we’ll see what takes place.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | September 2, 2015 at 12:14 pm

          I think that Cruz is going to wax Mr. Establishment’s back and use him like a surfboard.

          Palin is sometimes a cypher. She was all in on support of McAnus last time he came up for re-election. I love her, but she’s not infallible.

          And you would have us all believe you are the decider.

          heh

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | September 2, 2015 at 12:48 pm

          Wul, duh.

          I DO decide for myself. I ALSO will try to convince others.

          Sue me.

          Juba Doobai! in reply to Ragspierre. | September 2, 2015 at 2:59 pm

          Can your work on the board for Ted be minus the insults and expletives? Sure, you have a right to use language as you see fit, but when your language is more suited to Hillaey Clinton than to Ted Cruz, it’s a tad off putting.

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | September 2, 2015 at 12:53 pm

        Or else WHAT. How silly! I’m a commenter on a blog. I have no woba-woba gree-gree I’m gonna put on you!

        People are free to be as slavishly duped as they wannah be. I will call to them to use their brains, but that’s my only “pow-wah”.

          Then why are Trump haters’ heads exploding? I actually find it amusing.

          Been through this several times with the actor Nick Searcy one on one at twitter.

          He’s devolved into a junk yard dog dealing with anyone who crosses his path supporting Trump & calling out his mananical behavior.

          His blood pressure must be through the roof, like some other folks here abouts on this subject.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | September 2, 2015 at 2:48 pm

          Wow.

          You really like wallowing in delusions, huh?

          You are SOOOOOO special!

          But you can’t deal with rational argument.

          Pray tell… what ‘delusion’ are you talking about?

          If you are asserting my post about debating with the actor Nick Searcy on Trump is a delusion, you vastly underestimate who you are dealing with, Ragspierre. If so, that weakness of yours will be exploited to the hilt.

      You have made it clear that you would not vote for Trump under any circumstances. So you demand of everyone to agree with you or else.

      Sorry Charlie, you are not the decider.

        Ragspierre in reply to VotingFemale. | September 2, 2015 at 9:31 pm

        As I noted before, I AM the decider for misef.

        I have no delusions about anything beyond that, though I will attempt to persuade.

        Maybe you should go an pester Mr. Searcy some more. (Which is just sad.)

    Not A Member of Any Organized Political in reply to MouseTheLuckyDog. | September 2, 2015 at 9:03 am

    Guess how many independents and true conservatives will just stay home next Nov. 2016 on election day……..if Jeb the Deb is the GOPper elitists choice………..

    Juba Doobai! in reply to MouseTheLuckyDog. | September 2, 2015 at 2:47 pm

    Jeb is not going to get my vote in any form or fashion. I am Conservative. Jeb does not believe he needs my vote to win the candidacy because he does not want to be beholden to people like me–translation: he does not want to sign Conservative legislation should he ascend to the POTUS. Very well, no fuss, no fight. You don’t need me in the primary, you won’t have me in the election because you clearly don’t want me.

Gavin McInnes on Lou Dobbs last night compared Trump to a fight ring bouncer who clears the way for the real fighter to come into the ring and throw the best punches.

I hope this link works. The analogy works.

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4458030624001/donald-trump-jeb-bush-launch-new-attack-ads/#sp=show-clips&v=4458030624001

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-republicans-democrats-poll_55e5fbb8e4b0c818f6196a82

“Although most Republicans say they strongly disagree with Democrats on health care, Iran and affirmative action, fewer than a quarter of Republicans strongly disagreed when those positions were presented as Trump’s. Democrats, a majority of whom said they strongly agreed with their party on health care, were less supportive when Trump was the one endorsing the policy.”

I’m telling you, T-rump is a BIG GOVERNMENT guy. Read his immigration paper. It is full of dangerous market tinkering (setting wage levels), PC pandering, and NEW BIG GOVERNMENT expansion.

At the same time, it hand-waves E-verify. One of the shortest ‘graphs in the paper. But it’s big on starting an outright trade war with Mexico.

Only ONE entity can indulge in trade wars; BIG GOVERNMENT.

    “…fewer than a quarter of Republicans strongly disagreed when those positions were presented as Trump’s.”

    I’m sure you know the same would be true for any other R candidate. So, what’s your point? That republicans, on average, are idiots? fools? stupid? ignorant? Pick one or pick them all, they seem to apply equally.

      Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | September 2, 2015 at 10:47 am

      My point was and is that people TEND to view issues through lenses, and they suspend critical thinking too often.

      If you read T-rump’s crappy immigration paper critically, you find, as have I, that it is a BIG GOVERNMENT plan, that it will, in fact, HURT the middle-class, and that it devotes considerable verbiage to PC pandering and social engineering, along with calling for things that Conservatives find bad, to say nothing of illegal (like taking without any due process).

      It also gives the LEAST emphasis to one of the MOST essential things we can do to rid the nation of illegal aliens wherever they are from: make it impossible to be gainfully employed here.

        “…and they suspend critical thinking too often.”

        You’re just nicer than I am. I question that they have critical thinking skills…

        I’ve read the paper. The devil is always in the details. Which of the details is likely to become the major focus is unclear. I don’t disagree with your take entirely… Trump is, however, the only candidate making an issue of eliminating illegal immigration.

        #1 issue for many conservatives. No other candidate was willing to discuss it at a high level, not even Cruz. Without stopping the illegal border crossing horde, this country is dead. You know it and I know it.

        Is Trump lying? Have we been lied to before? I can answer the second question. The first, I have a feeling that Trump intends to keep his word. No way to know with any certainty. I do know what we get with every person other than Cruz, scamnesty and unlimited crossings. And I’m not so sure about Cruz to be honest.

          Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | September 2, 2015 at 11:41 am

          You DO know that T-rump supports a “touch back” amnesty, right?

          I think Cruz is very genuinely addressing the immigration issue. He’s just not Mr. Bombast.

          Have you considered the whole “confiscate remittances” bullshit from T-rump? That is wrong and stupid from SOOOoooooo many angles. And, again, something that would require a whole new BIG GOVERNMENT organ…at least one.

          Barry in reply to Barry. | September 2, 2015 at 12:13 pm

          And I think even St. Cruz* has waffled on it.

          The devil is in the details. I’ll accept some BS in order to get to something concrete. No plan is perfect, nor survives the first shot. Stopping the illegal flow will require government action. Workplace penalties would be a large part of it, requiring a huge bureaucracy as well. But, workers are not the only ones crossing the borders. Workplace penalties will not stop them.

          *that is meant affectionately. I genuinely like Cruz.

          Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | September 2, 2015 at 12:28 pm

          “But, workers are not the only ones crossing the borders. Workplace penalties will not stop them.”

          Several points…

          1. we already have the bureaucracy to make employment of illegals uneconomical. It MAY have to be bigger, but it is NOT new. Once it is clear to employers that they face real spitstorms of trouble for hiring illegals, there will be few to risk it.

          2. my emphasis won’t just staunch the flow…it will reverse it. Illegals will leave on their own.

          3. there will always be tiny numbers of smugglers and criminals who will come here from wherever. That really isn’t what we’re threatened by as a national matter, is it? My plan would be to put them away for life when we catch them. T-rump wants to catch them and deport them, which means they’ll just bounce back.

    Citing & quoting the Huffington Post, a Conservative hating Socialist sewer, for your Trump oppo? If Trump is a liberal as you think, you just proved he isn’t by your citation. wow

      Ragspierre in reply to VotingFemale. | September 2, 2015 at 1:04 pm

      As I’ve made clear many times, I take sound stuff from any source. I read everything with a critical POV.

      Do you have a…I dunno…REASONED issue with the part of the piece to which I referred? No? So it’s just all ad hominem with you.

      YOU’VE cited to the WaPo. ZOMG, you MUST be tainted!

      Now, TRY to deal with the ziegeist of the piece, which isn’t T-rump oppo crap. READ! It points to the FACT that people look at issues through their own filters, which INCLUDE partisan positions AND who they are enthralled by.

      Is that something you even want to TRY to deny? If so, you really are far, far gone.

        Hahahaha… Touchy I see 🙂

        Huff Post is anti-conservative till the last dog dies. There is no middle ground for those activists. WashPo is left-biased but has moderate to right leaning contributors who are not died blue.

        Thus, citing HuffPo for your Trump oppo is a hoot. If Trump is a stealth Liberal, Huff Post would be on that like a cat on a mouse. That HuffPo attacks on Trump is a signal, a dog whistle, from them that Trump is their enemy.

        This is not rocket science.

          Hey, I’m not the one running to Huffington Post for opposition research on Trump, you are.

          You can not deny it because you can not erase your Huffington Post citation comment.

          So… you are without merit on the subject weather you like it or not. I have no doubts you will not stop till you get the last word in but you know what? Who cares? Have the last word. We debated. You lost. End of discussion.

          Ragspierre in reply to VotingFemale. | September 2, 2015 at 3:17 pm

          You’re the one who relies on falsehoods. I’m the one who invites people to read my posts and yours, and DOESN’T declare “victory” on the strength of prevarication.

          Again, I’ll let people read and decide for themselves.

          Poor thing.

        Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | September 2, 2015 at 1:49 pm

        Hahahahha!!!

        You’ve licking CNN because they AGREED with you! How sad is that?

        And, again, the piece was NOT about “Trump oppo”. You can chant that, and it will never be true.

        Which is exactly what I expect you to do. It’s just who you are.

          Making stuff up now? How silly…

          Don Lemon didn’t side with Trump, I applaud Trump’s acumen in dealing with Lemons attacks.

          Not like some folks running to HuffPo for oppo on Trump.

          You just lost this round, Trump hater whether you admit it or not.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | September 2, 2015 at 2:26 pm

          Declaring victory on the strength of falsehoods?

          Pathetic.

          And totally without scruple.

          Remind you of any Collectivists? Sure does me.

          posted this to the wrong thread so here it is again on the right thread:

          Hey, I’m not the one running to Huffington Post for opposition research on Trump, you are.

          You can not deny it because you can not erase your Huffington Post citation comment.

          So… you are without merit on the subject weather you like it or not. I have no doubts you will not stop till you get the last word in but you know what? Who cares? Have the last word. We debated. You lost. End of discussion.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | September 2, 2015 at 2:53 pm

          Now, see, you are just desperately resorting to one falsehood after another.

          I’ve never denied anything I posted.

          I just won’t let you prevaricate about it.

          Which you NEED to do, because you are dishonest.

          ANYBODY can read my posts and yours. And you won’t come off as truthful.

          Now, try to misrepresent me again. I know you can’t help but do what you do.

          HAHAHAHHAHA!

          When all else fails, he falls back on personal attacks… A White Flag Of Surrender proving he has nothing left. I love watching a sore loser proving he is a sore loser.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | September 2, 2015 at 3:18 pm

          Now, see, you are just desperately resorting to one falsehood after another.

          I’ve never denied anything I posted.

          I just won’t let you prevaricate about it.

          Which you NEED to do, because you are dishonest.

          ANYBODY can read my posts and yours. And you won’t come off as truthful.

          Now, try to misrepresent me again. I know you can’t help but do what you do.

          HAHAHAHHAHA!

          Keep digging that hole of yours, dear.

          Heck, I may have to pop some popcorn and watch this meltdown all day. lol

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | September 2, 2015 at 3:29 pm

          Declaring victory on the strength of falsehoods?

          Pathetic.

          And totally without scruple.

          Remind you of any Collectivists? Sure does me.

          Munch on your popcorn, and wallow in your falsehoods. Good with me.

          poor thing… he was just too high strung…

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | September 2, 2015 at 3:49 pm

          I’ll be your huckleberry.

          Are you denying that people see issues through filters?

          Are you denying that T-rump is a BIG GOVERNMENT guy?

          On WHAT do you base that?

          Or do you want to continue just repeating falsehoods?

          Start a fresh comment at the bottom if you want another debate on a topic of your design, assertions and all.

          This thread is done.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | September 2, 2015 at 4:42 pm

          Uh, no, hunny. I don’t take instructions from a person who can’t tell the truth.

          Answer or not. Up to you, dear.

Lets please take a look at Mr. Schmidt. I an old lady in upper mid west know that Jeb Bush allowed Tenant Healthcare Corp. to pray on the people of the south east and to swindle Medicare and Medicaid (settled and paid huge fines) while he was governor and when he retired he stepped into a well paid position on the Board of Tenant Healthcare. Not to mention, what he did with pension funds.

Is there any way this Steve Schmidt doesn’t have at least a inkling that Jeb Bush was not a good conservative governor – or are those things a good conservative governor does and they all get together, Steve Schmidt, the Gov, and the rest of the lying media and laugh at all us endlessly paying hobbits?

Watch the Donald Trump Interview With Don Lemon – September 1st CNN: Perhaps one of the best interviews Trump has ever given.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/02/donald-trump-interview-with-don-lemon-september-1st-cnn/

Trump talks about how he evolved politically, and, within that discussion, he talks about the difference between doing big business in a very liberal area and becoming a politician. Now I’m in a different world…I’ve only been a politician for three months.

    Kitty,

    Tthat was an outstanding interview. Outstanding… and on CNN, of all cable channels. WOW I think I will donate a small amount to his campaign, just to have a little skin in the game. 😉

    Trump haters will have to lump it. Who cares what they think…

Sammy Finkelman | September 2, 2015 at 10:59 am

The Jeb Bush ad would be better if it showed Trump’s current position, not just his old one. This would bring
out the messaage that he doesn’t believe what he says now, and that is what would be effective.

I think also Trump’s admission that he attacks (only) in retaliation would be very telling, because if it is an atack worth making, or believes what he is saying it should be made irregardless. some of his attacks on people are clearly flawed – including the latest one where he misrepresents what Jeb Bush said. (unfortunately Jeb may not have he courage to repeat it)

Also if it could show Trump reversing himself two times – first saying one thing, then the opposite, and then the opposite again, which hes done at least about party affiliation, and may have done about some people, or issues.

Sammy Finkelman | September 2, 2015 at 11:17 am

The New York Times’s gave advice to Jeb Bush last Wednesday on how to deal with Donald Trump:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/26/opinion/jeb-bush-visita-la-frontera.html?_r=0

[The URL reflects the original title of the editorial, whjich is the way it was titled in the printed newspaper]

Unfortunately, what they said was either trivial, (don’t use words and phrases you previously opposed, and then use it wrongly and apply it something else entirely; don’t be testy; manage events better) or too vague to be of use:

How does one follow such advice and carry out such ideas as:

4. When he does choose to tell the truth, he should find a more persuasive way to do it…Mr. Bush may have better ideas, but they have to cut through the fog of Trump.

Well, of course he should figure out a way to argue better!!

That’s what his problem is.

It’s a problem for him, because it actually isn’t easy. (I said some weeks ago, Jeb Bush is not a deep thinker – and you do need to be a deep thinker to confront Trump on the issues.)

Trump is picking up the distilled residue of 40 years of mostly unchallenged propaganda on immigration, and years of prepared arguments on some other things too.

And Trump I think, doesn’t really care whether what he is saying is right.

That makes things a little bit easy for him. It just has to sound plausible to some people. Not to the entire electorate, by the way. Neither does it have to sound humane, or considerate, which is another problem for Trump.

Let me get this straight — “jeb!” says the T-rump is not a “true conservative” and has not been consistent….

So, ‘jeb!” is calling T-rump a hypocrite…

When did “jeb!” last look in the mirror?

Hey “jeb!”, remember: People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

    Sammy Finkelman in reply to donb. | September 2, 2015 at 11:58 am

    Trump had no response to the claim he is no consewrvative but he did respond to the claim that he had praised Hillary in 1999. He released video showing Jeb Bush had praised Hillary in 2013.

    Of course it might mean more in the case of Trump, who invited Bill and Hillary to his latest wedding. (in the debate Trump claimed he had forced Hillary to attend)

Trump has addressed these points over and over again. I don’t think his support is going to erode simply because Jeb! made a commercial about it. All Trump has to do is point out where Jeb! got his money and how he is beholden to special interests and he blunts Jeb’s attack.

The only way Jeb! gets the nomination is if Trump drops out or flames out in a debate like Rick Perry did. As much as I like Cruz, he needs to build support very fast or he is going to be irrelevant. 6 months will go by very quickly.

I don’t know how accurate this website is but it summarizes public statements made by the candidates. Here is Trump’s page.

http://www.ontheissues.org/donald_trump.htm

    How is Trump going to prove that Jeb is beholden to special interests? I know his supporters don’t require more than accusations from Trump, but the fact that Trump himself couldn’t buy Bush doesn’t bode well for that approach to the rest of us.

Oh and this article does a good job of summarizing where Jeb! is and how Trump is currently positioned.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423386/jeb-bush-campaign-struggles-donald-trump

The ultimate fantasy – the political destruction of the Bush and Clinton dynasties.

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