The Iran deal won’t appear in writing
And better yet, it will be ‘vague’
47 Traitors. White House snubs. A Presidential temper tantrum. Public fights with Netanyahu. Damaging international relationships with Israel. Leaked intel information.
And what do we get for all the hassle?
A vague deal that won’t even appear in writing. At least according to British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond.
Edward-Isaac Dovere reports at Politico:
No specifics, nothing written, perhaps not even anything that Iran and the international negotiating partners say as one—that’s the most to expect out of the nuclear talks now running up against the deadline in Switzerland, British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said Friday.
But even concluding this round of talks with that level of ambiguity, Hammond said, would count as a significant success. And he thinks they’ll get it.
It’s safe to say that Secretary Hammond’s definition of success is a bit different from the rest of the world.
…Hammond said no one should expect that kind of formal document.
“The challenge is: as soon as you write anything down, you’ve got to write everything down,” Hammond said.
But he said that whatever the negotiators produce should satisfy “99 percent” of people’s questions, while acknowledging that the expected looseness of the agreement opens the possibility that Secretary of State John Kerry will have a different version to talk about in Washington than Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif will bring back to Tehran.
Hammond said he believes negotiators are “better than halfway” on what he estimated were six main areas of agreement. He would not specify what those are, but those watching the talks expect they will include the number of centrifuges Iran is allowed to keep, how much nuclear material it can keep, which sanctions will be lifted and when, the sunset clause that would determine how long the deal would be in effect, whether Iran’s Arak reactor will be modified, what sort of inspections and monitors will be in place to ensure Iran holds to the deal, and how much of its past weapons research it will be forced to admit.
Quite literally, absolutely nothing has been accomplished. There is no specific deal. There will be nothing for the Senate to debate, though they may insist on moving forward with sanctions, particularly in the absence of any specific deal. Kerry will tell us one story while Zarif tells Iran another.
Meanwhile, we have to take Kerry’s word that whatever he says is what was mutually agreed upon. Lucky for us, we’ll get another opportunity to have this same exact fight all over again in June when Hammond claims specifics will finally be enumerated.
An enormous amount of work went into this incredible diplomatic fail.
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A gentleman’s agreement with Iran? That’s bound to work out well.
Ah…..but the finger has it written on the wall already –
Doom for Obama, Doom for the Democrat Party, Doom for Iran!
They have been weighed in the balances and found wanting…
Book of Daniel – King James version
1) Belshazzar (saw) 5) In the same hour came forth fingers of a man’s hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king’s palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote. 25) And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26) This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. 27) TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
20) But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him…
No, it’s Schrödinger’s Treaty. It exists in a quantum state of ambiguity until something is written down. If nothing is ever written down, it can be both an agreement to prevent Iran from ever getting a nuke, and an agreement that allows Iran to have as many nukes as they want at the *same time*.
The only difference being that when you open the Schrödinger’s Treaty box, we’re all dead, not just the cat…
I can’t come up with a metaphor absurd enough to liken this to.
I think what this really means is that the deadline would be postponed three months, because what Obama said he needed by March 31 was the agreement in principle. He didn’t need to have every detail nailed down.
But then it should be much easier to write down.
There are two deadlines. The general framework part of the deal is due now, while the final deal is due in June.
And they called Bibi a chickenshit?
That’ll make determining future compliance a real interesting trick, huh?
At this juncture, I’m for water-boarding Kerry so we can at least get something down on paper.
Exactly. Compliance with what? There are no written terms now and when the final deal comes due in June, if it’s written down at all it will be in terms so vague compliance will be impossible to determine.
How do the people who voted for this clown deal with the embarrassment?
They don’t care that we’re embarrassed.
Oh, wait. Did you mean their embarrassment?
Yeah, right. They’re too clueless to be embarrassed.
“The Emperor’s new clothes aren’t really clothes, as most people think of clothes, but more of an attitude ABOUT clothes. So, to say that he’s not wearing anything would be wrong. He’s wearing at attitude.”
Well now, this won’t be like Chamberlain of 1938, no paper to wave and strut around. Bummer! That photo would have been priceless.
So, not only will there not be anything of substance to report, it’s going to be his, their, word, against whatever come flying out when the stuff hits the fan. A perfect case of nothing to measure, nothing to evaluate, nothing to deny, just words, mere words, verbally at that.
Oops, “W” caused it, eh?
Even Churchill kept Chamberlain in the cabinet. Forget the spent souls in Iraq… this is a mark against all those that fought for freedom in WWII.. in Viet Nam… in the Cold War… destroying the US on the alter of Progressive Leftist Thought is a reality.
David Burge @iowahawkblog
Say what you want about Neville Chamberlain, but he at least got a piece of paper to wave around. https://twitter.com/politico/status/581526643413553152 …
1:48 PM – 27 Mar 2015
If I ever decided to join twitter, it would be solely to follow about ten people. Iowahawk would be the first.
It’s….it’s the thought that counts. If we can’t believe the Iranians.. whom can we trust? “We tried”… Diplomacy is an excuse for stupidity. “Better to negotiate and lose than to never have negotiated at all.” Pox on them all.
It’s all about legacy. The deal is meaningless.
…and the “legacy” is meaningless…..
From Jonah Goldberg’s excellent newsletter of today…
“The truth is, you can dwell on Yemen, or you can recognize that we’re one agreement away from a game-changing, legacy-setting nuclear accord on Iran that tackles what every one agrees is the biggest threat to the region,” the official said.
Sigh. Where to begin?
Remember all that stuff earlier about groupthink and the inability to anticipate or even recognize inconvenient data and facts? Well, here’s this guy saying: Don’t dwell on Yemen’s disintegration or on America’s hasty withdrawal from it. Don’t dwell on the fact this administration touted it — and continues to tout it! — as a model of a successful counter-terror strategy. Don’t dwell on the fact that it is now the frontline of a regional sectarian war between Arab Sunnis and Iran and Iranian client Shiites. Don’t dwell on the fact that Yemen is in fact just the latest piece of concrete evidence that the whole region is going tits-up, with total bloody chaos in Libya, Syria, and much of Iraq, thanks in large part to Iran’s decades-long ambition to become a regional hegemon by any means necessary — including terrorism.
No, don’t dwell on any of that stuff, because we’re going to get a piece of paper that will probably put Iran on a path to getting a bomb rather than prevent it. But even if the terms are exactly as the White House will spin them, the agreement will still depend entirely on the good faith and trustworthiness of Iran’s rulers, who’ve been violating every international law you can think of and who chant, every week, “death to America.” I mean, what could go wrong?
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History teaches us that, if you WANT to entangle a nation in war, you have it project…
This “treaty” that one British diplomat calls a “narrative” (seriously…!!!) projects BOTH weakness and ambiguity.
iran’s crap does not get off the ground!
And, whatever they have at Fordo stays underground!
Yemen now is just the icing on the cake. Or, perhaps, God, again, working in strange ways.
This was supposed to be o’bummer’s victory tour. While all I see is that his legacy is in tatters. And, so, too, is Kerry’s!
It’s the Emperor’s New Treaty!
Many administrations and UN declarations have tried diplomatically to set Western-type boundaries for Iran. Diplomats have pleaded with and cajoled Iran hoping for restraint. They have used economic sanctions (which BTW, actually work). They have sought to tamp down the Islamic Republic’s aggressive stance of stated world domination for Islam.
(It should be noted here: as a disservice to America, our own president Obama will denigrate America to create a pseudo ‘moral-diplomatic-parity’ for Iran. Obama in the past has used derisive “bitter-clinger” language against America’s own Tea Party members. And standing before the UN Obama recently used the example of the savages rioting for ‘justice’ in Ferguson. He also used an errant misinformed reference to ancient ‘Christian’ Crusades. To place favor over Judeo-Christian Americans and even atheistic Americans Obama continues to use sugary, inclusive PC language to foist Islamic multiculturalism on the U.S, a multiculturalism that is now horribly backfiring throughout Europe. Maybe, though, this is Obama’s “fundamental transformation” at work.)
For Iran to bring about an Islamic world order it now must secure overwhelming nuclear capability and at the same time employ jihadist colonialism via its on-going domino-terrorism strikes against “illegitimate” ‘others.’
All of the ‘talks’ have been proven to be completely farcical, just Western background noise. As has been shown, Tehran is currently operating a secret nuclear site.
Iran under the current regime is itself, “the Great Satan.” Iran cannot and must not be trusted at face value.
Iran’s Islamic Republic IS the “Islamic Awakening “(2013) to world conquest, of Islamic world order. Rejecting pluralism and secular international world order Iran seeks “weaponized” religion. This mission is in line with the words of “Milestones” a book written by a prominent Islamic religious scholar and Muslim Brotherhood ideologue -Sayyid Qutb. Simply put, Qutb wants to overthrow everything modern and globalize the Quran’s teaching as delineated and ’inspired’ by a Supreme Leader.
State boundaries and state sovereignty are meaningless, even laughable, within the Iranian world order zeitgeist. Enforced theocracy and submission to the Quran and Muhammad’s stand-in, The Supreme Leader du jour, is Iran’s sole end game. It is not peace, not Kumbaya, not dealing with “infidels” as equals, ever.
No permanent agreement, per Qutb and fundamental Islam can ever be made with a non-Muslim “illegitimate” other. The West in particular is not to be dealt with honestly. Only temporary ‘concessions’ will ever be allowed by Iran and this only to give Iran time to grow its ‘religious’ “weaponized” armory for the next Crusade.
Per Islamic law, a ten year limit is the maximum allowed for all such ‘concessions’ with ‘others’. There will be no ultimate agreement of peace with Iran. Enforced sanctions, military boundaries and nuclear containment are necessary measures to restrain this evil-until Christ comes to rule on earth.
They should write it out. In cursive.
You ray-cis, sir.
This has been the plan all along. In fact this is the ‘agreement’ that’s been in place for nearly 3 years.
The saudi’s are attacking the iranians in Yemen right now. Why assume this won’t go on for awhile?
Oh, the arab league wasn’t consulted, either. Because the saud’s started on Thursday. A day before the arab league’s meeting.
And, isn’t this the weekend obama and kerry “announce” they have a deal with iran? You think the saud’s are looking forward to this?
You think a big turd didn’t just go splat into o’bummer’s plans? God works in strange ways.
And, you can pick. Either the saud’s pull back out of yemen. Or they don’t. (Given that syria is still going up in flames, I’m going to vote that the saud’s extend their “military exercises” in yemen for a bit. What’s really at stake is the “strait of hormuz” … the entryway to the Suez Canal. And? We’re supposed to have a fleet docked there. People with careers in the American military know obama, just like hillary, will be gone.
Oh. And, the french are trying to assert control at the UN. McCain, like Bibi, understands politics. He’s already told the UN that they’re jeopardizing their American funding. (Is it that the french only understand french?)