Obama: I’ll meet your ISIS, and raise you The Crusades
Dude, that was like 800 years ago.
At the National Prayer Breakfast yesterday, President Obama equated the horrific acts carried out by ISIS to the Christian Crusades.
Nedra Pickler of AP News reported:
Obama condemns those who seek to ‘hijack religion’
President Barack Obama on Thursday condemned those who seek to use religion as a rationale for carrying out violence around the world, declaring that “no god condones terror.”
“We are summoned to push back against those who would distort our religion for their nihilistic ends,” Obama said during remarks at the National Prayer Breakfast. He singled out the Islamic State group in Iraq and Syria, calling the militants a “death cult,” as well as those responsible for last month’s terror attacks in Paris and deadly assault on a school in Pakistan…
Obama had a more non-denominational message for the audience that also included prominent leaders of non-Christian faiths. The president said that while religion is a source for good around the world, people of all faiths have been willing to “hijack religion for their own murderous ends.”
“Unless we get on our high horse and think that this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ,” Obama said. “In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ. “So it is not unique to one group or one religion,” Obama said. “There is a tendency in us, a simple tendency that can pervert and distort our faith.”
Charles Krauthammer reacted on Special Report. Video via National Review:
Many people on Twitter were just as stunned as Krauthammer.
Only Obama would bring up events from 800 and 500 years ago while refusing to accurately acknowledge what's happening right now.
— Jedediah Bila (@JedediahBila) February 5, 2015
.@BarackObama The Crusades got ugly, all right. Ask @BWilliams about the time he was bludgeoned at the sack of Constantinople.
— jon gabriel (@exjon) February 5, 2015
I am shocked, shocked that the guy who sat in Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years would defend Islamic violence by attacking Christianity.
— Razor (@hale_razor) February 5, 2015
The Crusades 1,000 years ago means Christians can't criticize Islam for acting medieval 1,000 years after the Crusades.
— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) February 5, 2015
What were the Crusades in response to, again? I forget.
— Mollie (@MZHemingway) February 5, 2015
This was my two cents:
As long as Obama is rolling out nasty chapters in history, can we finally acknowledge that the KKK was started by @TheDemocrats?
— Aleister (@AmericanGlob) February 6, 2015
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Dunno if anyone else heard it, but Pres. ScamWOW got a lil’ bit of that ol’ Negro reverend hum when he was talkin’ about Jim Crow in ou-ir kun-tre.
He remains the most thumpingly historically ignorant and dishonest president in history, with a new low set every day it seems.
“We are summoned to push back against those who would distort our religion for their nihilistic ends,” Obama said
Hey, at least Obama is now admitting that he’s a Muslim. LOL.
(Where is George Stephanopolous when Barky needs him?)
I caught that word too, ‘our’. Very telling. Wasn’t he on teleprompter? Who’s the ‘we’ in ‘our’? Valerie Jarrett?
By the way, where’s this ‘push back’ he’s talking about?
The push back is in Jordan.
This drivel was straight down from the Pulpit of Jeremiah Wright.
Who, I’ve read, used to be a muslim.
Since the Crusades were initiated in response to Muslim Turk mistreatment of Christian pilgrims to the Holy Lands, it is interesting that PO brings them up as a wholly evil thing. Although I’m guessing that he never got past his elementary history book on the subject, but nonetheless, his lack of understanding is yet again glaring.
The Inquisitions…and there WERE lots of them…were not as advertised, either.
They were started as an effort to impose Church law in lawless circumstances, and often resulted in the exoneration of the accused. A lot of what we think we know about “the” Inquisition came to us from Protestant propaganda generated during the long wars between the two lines of European Christianity. (And it shouldn’t surprise anyone that both sides in that war employed propaganda.)
Even Torquemada was pretty even-handed and benign by the standards of his day.
He brings it up because Islamist clerics preaching violence bring it up very frequently as justification for killing Christians TODAY.
I kid you not.
He probably got this stuff from Wright.
Funny, I have never heard of obama criticizing muslims at his big fancy ramadan dinner he throws for his many dearly beloved muslim friends every year at the white house. That would be a no no.They are the religion of peace. He said at a speech at the UN, “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” That’s a really big no no. On the other hand, obama has never said one word about the crucified christ in a bottle of urine by artist Andres Serrano which was on display in NY in 2012. Instead of being criticized for this blasphemous work the artist was awarded money from the US tax payer funded NEA which at any time obama could have put a stop to but didn’t.
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Well, he’s right to draw parallels, in a way. After all, the Crusades were a response to another attempt by Islamists to establish a global caliphate by violence, terror, destruction, and barbarism. Christians took it for almost 500 years before finally having enough.
No, the Christian Crusaders weren’t “noble,” but then, neither were the Muslim barbarians they were fighting for the right to exist and to exercise their own religion in their own lands. Christians went medieval on the Muslim invaders. Literally.
The trouble, of course, is that Islamists are still acting like it’s the Middle Ages and as if they’re longing for the Dark Age that they ushered in, and Obama is more than happy to excuse them based on his apparent hatred not only of America and the West but of our shared Judeo-Christian culture.
” After all, the Crusades were a response to another attempt by Islamists to establish a global caliphate by violence, terror, destruction, and barbarism. Christians took it for almost 500 years before finally having enough.”
Yes, but I don’t think that was the point he was trying to make.
How many Americans fought in the crusades?
One. Brian Williams.
Hee! That made me literally laugh out loud.
I remember that now. His horse got shot out from under him. Or was it the horse in front of him? I misrember. It’s conflated in my mind somehow.
Obama won’t allow the words “Radical Islam” to be uttered, but ties Christians to old wars called Crusades. Christians were brutalized in the Holy Lands, then fell to the sword of Islam all the way to Spain. But Obama presumes the Crusades were evil Christian colonizers destroying peace loving Muslim academics. Europe was repelling an advancing murderous horde.
Christian doctrine has Jesus come with a sword in the future, but till then the church is to let man choose freely. Mohammed converted via the sword, and fundamental Islam still forcibly imposes their religion, as threats on drawers of Mohammed demonstrate. Westernization or reformation for Islam is mostly fringe, especially in the Middle East.
Islamic countries use chemical weapons on each other, murder, torture, rape and sell women and children in the name of Allah, quoting their Koran. Yet Obama defends Islamic terrorism either as just like Christianity, or as having nothing to do with Islam. But Islamic culture is spawning these terrorists, while Western culture mostly invents, grows and builds an open first world society.
The Obama Doctrine is “God Damn America”, with a side order of hate for white “Judeo-Christian” America. Barack just made that clearer than ever.
“Christian doctrine has Jesus come with a sword in the future, but till then the church is to let man choose freely.”
That’s how it was done in the earliest centuries, but eventually a Roman emperor outlawed the traditional paganism, and Christianity continued to be backed up with state power in the Eastern empire. As the Western empire collapsed, there were Germanic chieftains who converted to Christianity and took their tribes along with them per custom; and some chieftains and kings aimed to impose their creed on the other tribes they conquered.
It is true that centuries passed when very little was required of the average person to demonstrate allegiance to Christianity, but it does no good to gloss over the fact that Christianity was supported by state power for a long time. Jews were badly treated. England expelled all Jews in 1290; Spain in 1492. And after governments stopped enforcing religious conformity, there was still social pressure to conform. (It’s only recently that social pressure began going in the other direction in large areas of culture.)
This doesn’t compare in scale or savagery to the violent imposition of Islam, nor was it supported in Christian doctrine. But it’s important to be honest in the debate.
There are people who say that Islam is making inroads in Western societies because those societies abandoned Christianity and left a vacuum. But it’s individuals who “abandoned” Christianity because they did not believe the doctrines, and “society” was no longer coercing people, formally or informally, to express adherence to those doctrines. Some people seem to think that resisting Islam requires a return to the days of state-enforced Christianity.
Shall we then praise state-enforced Communism? Can you please inform we what parts of “Christian Doctrine” are harmful? Specifically in the New Testament? Isn’t there something about rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s?
The basic issue is Obama talked of terrible things done in Christ’s name (yet not found in the Bible) while ignoring that those very same terrible things were promoted and encouraged by the Prophet of Islam (PBUH or else) and found in the Quran along with actions during the life of the Prophet (PBUH or else) and Islamic law…. the last two intertwined with the Quran.
“it does no good to gloss over the fact that Christianity was supported by state power for a long time. Jews were badly treated.”
Much was done in the name of the church, but my point is how Christian doctrine is rather the opposite of Islam.
Back in my youth I used to teach how the church went astray, and much of church practice was adopted from pagan traditions. “Babylon Mystery Religion” points out many of them, though an Easter bunny or Christmas tree, or sunrise services and Easter (facing East) are not necessarily harmful (JC would have died at sunset). Christians today all mostly believe man chooses what to believe and charitable giving is optional, and that’s fine by me.
I now believe religion and politics should be as decentralized as possible, especially as we see the pope speaking on global warming and social justice. Jesus himself was “decentralized”, and the organized church leaders then (Pharisees) were corrupt. That seems to be the pattern of big churches. The foundation of the Christian church should be JC (solid rock), not any man on earth (pebble). Power tends to corrupt most men.
Israel seems to handle combining church and state fairly well, while the US did well separating them till we made Obama a Lord, with Queen Hillary ready to be crowned. The Caliphate has different intent.
Pessimist: it still two years away.
Optimist: it’s only two more years.
Realist: what difference, at this point, does it make?
it’s, not it
The old incomplete rewrite.
Socialist: it was good while it lasted.
Rinardman: Typo notwithstanding, it’s a great quote — and its my “comment of the day.” I am totally stealing this.
Leslie, “borrowing” sounds better.
Keep it as long as you want.
Maybe this was implied by the headline, but I was totally going to the angle of trotting out the crusades while not being able to remember what happened 2 1/2 years ago in Benghazi.
It makes a big difference: We are just seeing the beginnings of the damage obama will inflict on his hated enemy, America, in the next 23 months.
Has a sitting president ever gone farther out of his way to gratuitously poke an insulting finger in the eye of 80% of Americans?
The chickens are coming home to roost….. well… they are being specially created and dirtied up by Obama before dragging them into the light of day. Obama lost Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and trying desperately to have Israel lose and Iran win (which is a losing proposition). He does have a consistent foreign policy. What Germany, Japan, and USSR couldn’t do to the US… he is doing. Considering this … maybe “Chairman BO” is a better title.
So this means Benghazi is back on the table, right?
Obama is a almost a prototypical ideal of the academic left: elite private education; globalist; bi-racial; lived as an Indonesian Muslim for years; Muslim father, step father and brothers. They could not create someone more perfect for their ideology in a test tube. He’s their wet dream come to life.
I’ve been saying for years that I am less stunned by Obama’s words and policies and more stunned that over 40% of my countrymen continue to give him an approving grade. The donors, trustees and administrators at American’s elite colleges and universities made a ginormous mistake letting the far left Frankfurt School/Critical Theorists who hate Western Civilization highjack academia. We end up with a president like Obama and almost half the country approves.
With the open borders, degrading of the constitution, flaunting of law and order, I’m fatalistic. I don’t see how after his fundamental transformation the country will prosper. At best stagnation. At worst painful and miserable decline. Both will make the politics geared toward redistribution more popular, which will divide and balkanize the country. Lots of social unrest in the out years, I’m afraid. And over 40% approve. It just amazes me how they’ve pulled this off.
Well, the devil works in mysterious ways.
And right now he’s laughing his tail off.
Easy ….”human nature”. The Roman’s called energy requiring concepts “gravitas, pietas, dignitas and virtus.” That they also failed at these is an important lesson as we follow in their “bread and circuses” mode.
I guess it isn’t good to be our friend or ally.
He’s a liberal. He doesn’t think, he feels without thinking, as do each of his liberal base members. The right ideas are not their goal; the right *feeling* is the target. Since his ideas fail scrutiny on intellectual grounds, he is left instead (pun intended) to impose a feeling – shame – on people in order to manipulate them.
Because European Catholic Christians in medieval times terrorized perceived heretics, modern day Christians are thereby proscribed from passing judgment on modern day Islamic terrorism doing the same. Shame on you. It’s the same thing, you see. We are all hypocrites. For shame. We should thank God we have Obama to point this out and set us straight.
We must ignore that, even if we accept his silly moral equivalency, modern day Islamic terrorism remains Islamic terrorism in the here and now: the slaughter of innocents for political power wrapped in Islamic robes. We must ignore this because Obama promised to end wars in the Middle East, not start them, and guarding his promises is far more important than national security. Priorities, people – he will guide our priorities. On any moral compass Obama is the needle. Context is the enemy.
These sorts of moral equivalency arguments are so poor they are a mainstay for high school level debate teams to unravel. That’s the intellectual level of our White House.
We are also not supposed to notice that, while Obama equates modern day Islamic terrorism with religion-involved terrors throughout history, on other days he refuses to acknowledge Islamic terrorism exists at all. It’s all just nut-job outriders who happen to be Islamic, you see. Al-Qaeda and ISIS are just middle eastern versions of the Westboro Baptists or Tea Partiers. All the same. Freaks on the margins of rationality.
Does Obama believe any of this nonsense? I think he accepts that to support his agenda requires bullshit because facts and experience do not support his agenda. What it means is that Obama thinks Americans are idiots unable to detect bullshit when we hear it. We are Americans, putatively his own people, and he has us completely dead wrong. Imagine how poorly he reads people from other countries, many of whom can kill us by playing Obama.
Obama is dangerous and ought to be impeached. He cannot be trusted with national security. National security is no higher than 3rd on his list of priorities, and I’ll bet you stupid Americans can name the top two before noon.
FINE. You stupid Americans CAN’T name the top two before noon*.
*It’s up to you now, left coasters.
His first great commandment is to love his god even as he loves himself.
Which, for him, is a really simplified trick…
1 Stick it to The Man
2 Look good doing it
Or, ‘fundamentally transform’, and ‘legacy’.
My dos centavos, with 3 min to spare. What do I win?
Ding ding ding! We have a winner. I had:
1) His personal legacy and place in history.
2) The transformation of America into just another country in a global remake.
3) National security and all that other “governing” horsecrap he has to put up with to keep in position long enough to achieve 1 & 2.
Help yourself to some free Krispy Kreme Doughnuts in the Legal Insurrection lobby.
She has probably been dead for some time and this news has been trotted out now to turn opinion against Jordan.
C’mon people: If Obama looks like a duck, walks like a duck…
This article explores the following premise: That Barack Obama has lulled the United States into a tired trance as he moves one one failure to the next so that what he is doing blends into a mosaic of crap allowing him the latitude to move the country to the precipice.
He also gets slavery wrong, as the anti-slavery movement in Europe and the US invoked Christianity as the basis for ending slavery.
It was less than 800 years ago when the Roman Catholic Church burned Giordano Bruno and Jan Hus at the stake and less than 300 years ago that Amerikans murdered witches. And only 700 years ago, John Calvin burned Michael Servetus at the stake. The mother of Johannes Kepler barely escaped burning.
Religion poisons everything.
And how many millions have been killed by “scientific government” based on “reason”?
Religion and government are just two sides of the same coin, with one claiming dominion over the spiritual and the other over the secular. Between the two, they have all the bases covered. Both are capable of doing good and both are capable of doing tremendous evil in their pursuit of their aims. Because of this, neither is to be trusted, both should be feared.
And Muslims, in the name of Islam, burned someone to death last month. So your point is?
Do you know who cares? Me neither.
If they do care, they are irrelevant in the eyes of hard men who realize we live in a dangerous world full of savages.
The mad barking dog bites. You don’t fix that by cuddling with it to appeal to its finer sensibilities. At best you establish pack order through dominance. If that doesn’t work, you keep it fenced in or kill it.
You’ve been reported to PETA for this comment.
What. An. Ass.
Everything you were told about the Crusades is WRONG
Obama has no problem linking Christ and Christianity with evil deeds that took place as much as a thousand years ago that he can only read about in history books. But he finds it impossible to link Allah (and his “prophet” Muhammad) and Islam to atrocities that took place hours ago that he can read about in newspapers.
“Unless we get on our high horse and think that this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ,” Obama said.
Well, lets get off the high horse of American slavery because Muslims were owning slaves years before America existed.
Let me see. By climbing on our high horse we would imagine that the terrorism committed by muslims against us in America today is unique. However that is not the case for when we get down we see clearly that terrible deeds were committed in the name of Christ many hundreds of years ago by Europeans and that means that……….shiite!, He lost me at our high horse. Maybe he read the teleprompter backwards!
And, still do, typically for sexual trafficking
Isn’t it painfully obvious that Obama is a muslim dedicated to the destruction of the USA?
Hectoring and lecturing are part of the human condition. But, for the clerisy it is more than that. To preach and teach, to scold, to chide, and to correct others is what these folks live for, their raison d’etre. They just don’t realize that they sound like to the folks outside the beltway(bubble), except to the window licking riders on the short bus, their base. Maybe they believe they sound profound and nuanced. But, I think the “church lady” tsk,tsking and cluck, clucking is the real tell. They cannot resist the opportunity to chastise and insult the public with insinuations of racism or imply that average Americans are on the brink of hysterical over reaction, as though everyone else is a toothless, illiterate, bitter clinger. It’s all really about the passive, aggressive insult so emblematic of the “beta”.