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New #Ferguson: “forensic evidence … lent credence to Officer Wilson’s version of events”

New #Ferguson: “forensic evidence … lent credence to Officer Wilson’s version of events”

NY Times reports: “Officer Wilson appeared for four hours before a St. Louis County grand jury” to tell his side of story.

A breaking New York Times report sheds new light on Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson’s mortal encounter with local Michael Brown.

The police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., two months ago has told investigators that he was pinned in his vehicle and in fear for his life as he struggled over his gun with Mr. Brown, according to government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter.

The officer, Darren Wilson, has told the authorities that during the scuffle, Mr. Brown reached for the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.

The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform. Officer Wilson told the authorities that Mr. Brown had punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck.

According to the New York Times, Wilson told authorities that he fought with Brown for possession of his service pistol, resulting in two rounds fired inside his police vehicle.  One round struck Brown in the arm, and the other was wasted.

Importantly, Brown’s blood was found on the gun by forensics analysis, as well as on the inside of the police vehicle, confirming his presence in the vehicle and the weapon.

Wilson said that Brown punched and scratched him numerous times, causing abrasions and swelling to his face and neck.

The officials briefed on the case said the forensic evidence gathered in the car lent credence to Officer Wilson’s version of events. According to his account, he was trying to leave his vehicle when Mr. Brown pushed him back in. Once inside the S.U.V., the two began to fight, Officer Wilson told investigators, and he removed his gun from the holster on his right hip.

Chief Jon Belmar of the St. Louis County Police Department has said in interviews that Officer Wilson was “pushed back into the car” by Mr. Brown and “physically assaulted.”

The Times goes on to quote Brown’s friend Dorian Johnson as a sort of opposing witness to Officer Wilson.

Remarkably, the Times leaves unwritten the fact that Johnson has already confessed to collaborating with Brown in a strong-arm robbery of a local convenience store only minutes before the shooting that took Brown’s life.

However, Mr. Johnson’s description of the scuffle is detailed and specific, and directly contradicts what Officer Wilson has told the authorities.

Mr. Johnson has said that Officer Wilson was the aggressor, backing up his vehicle and opening the door, which hit Mr. Johnson and Mr. Brown and then bounced back.

“He just reached his arm out the window and grabbed my friend around his neck, and he was trying to choke my friend,” Mr. Johnson told reporters after the shooting. “He was trying to get away, and the officer then reached out and grabbed his arm to pull him inside the car.”

I expect the Grand Jury will weight the credibility of the various witness testimony as their civic duty requires.

The Times notes the importance of this new information, which Wilson presumably testified to:

In September, Officer Wilson appeared for four hours before a St. Louis County grand jury, which was convened to determine whether there is probable cause that he committed a crime. Legal experts have said that his decision to testify was surprising, given that it was not required by law. But the struggle in the car may prove to be a more influential piece of information for the grand jury, one that speaks to Officer Wilson’s state of mind, his feeling of vulnerability and his sense of heightened alert when he killed Mr. Brown.

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Comments

MouseTheLuckyDog | October 17, 2014 at 11:18 pm

If he actually did hit Brown inside the car, that means all the wounds on the arm could be from the interior shot, ie the only shots to hit Brown as he was approaching were the body and head shots.

That would mean that Wilson would have missed with the first volley and began charging Wilson.

That would stick a fork in the case.

    jayjerome66 in reply to MouseTheLuckyDog. | October 18, 2014 at 1:15 am

    “that means all the wounds on the arm could be from the interior shot…”

    There’s four shots to the arm, spaced apart. The autopsy photos indicate individual wounds.

    Ragspierre in reply to MouseTheLuckyDog. | October 18, 2014 at 9:10 am

    “That would stick a fork in the case.”

    We can make sammiches with the left-overs…!!!

    While, as a practical matter, the case would be VERY hard to bring now, in the hair-splitting world of the law, Wilson could still have done wrong in his later conduct.

    Not that I think that likely. But it still is educational to play with.

    In another little thought-exploration, I think it would be fun to bring civil actions against some of the lying liars who have fueled all the destruction in Ferguson and surrounds. Some of them have a little money gotten by their lies. I see no reason they should keep any of it.

    Bruce Hayden in reply to MouseTheLuckyDog. | October 19, 2014 at 6:28 am

    I was thinking something along those lines. It will be interesting to see exactly where each shot went. If Wilson missed some, then his accuracy is probably closer to that of the average cop, than some sort of super shooting.

    Still, if there were two volleys, could the first have been in the car, and the second when Brown was hit in the head? It seems a bit weird that Wilson would miss on all of the first volley after exiting the vehicle, but then get those head shots on the next volley. Or were there some body shots I missed? As I said, it will be interesting to see where each shot went.

Facts will not matter in this story…..

    Ragspierre in reply to rabid wombat. | October 18, 2014 at 9:26 am

    Of course not to some. They are gone geese in any event.

    But to most, they will count, and…with more than a little irony as I note it…all the more because the FBI is the source of some of this evidence.

    I mean, Big Brother Holder’s boys… MIright? He’s righteous. He down for the struggle.

    guyjones in reply to rabid wombat. | October 20, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    To the Left, facts are irrelevant things…

    Appeals to emotion, demagoguery, ginning up the mob, crafting a politically useful narrative — those things are exceedingly more important.

    ConradCA in reply to rabid wombat. | October 21, 2014 at 12:04 am

    Most of the blacks living in Ferguson are members of the Ghetto Gangster class and criminals. They identify with Michael Brown and see themselves as future victims of the police or their prey, honest citizens. This motivates them to blame the police for “murdering” Michael Brown.

“However, Mr. Johnson’s description of the scuffle is detailed and specific, and directly contradicts what Officer Wilson has told the authorities.”

Would that be the same Mr Johnson who has an outstanding warrant for theft, filing a false police report and who claimed Wilson shot Brown in the back? And of course, the NYT is treating him as their upstanding citizen of the year.

    DINORightMarie in reply to Sanddog. | October 18, 2014 at 12:03 am

    Yeah – the same guy that, according to another eye witness who testified he saw the entire altercation from start to finish, saw Johnson running away as soon as the s**t began to hit the fan.

    Estragon in reply to Sanddog. | October 18, 2014 at 1:26 am

    Johnson also appeared on television for interviews a day or two after the incident – with an attorney.

    I saw part of it. No serious person would believe a word the guy said.

      Yeah, I saw that. I particularly liked the part where Dorian says that Officer Wilson, (with one hand) reached out of the SUV and grabbed “my friend by the neck” and “pulled him” into the car. All three hundred pounds.

      Didn’t Dorian also say in front of the cameras that Wilson shot Brown in the back? I’ve got to find that.

      Midwest Rhino in reply to Estragon. | October 18, 2014 at 8:25 am

      I don’t see why you guys are down on this Dorion fellow. He’s telling big bold lies the way most of the Obama administration does when testifying to Congress. In the Obama/Sharpton school, lying is the road to success.

      Susan Rice told the Benghazi Whopper repeatedly to the world, and it has led to promotions. In Obama’s Orwellian world, snitches that blow the whistle get fired, investigated and audited.

      The good news is some citizens will still “speak truth to power”, to keep cops around, so young gangsters don’t gain control. Bad news is the Obama/Holder default activist position is: “white cops act stupidly”.

      The Missouri governor already demanded a “vigorous prosecution”.
      “Forensics, Schmorensics … this is racism straight up”
      Or maybe he should walk that back and talk to the black community he was appeasing, about the need for honesty and law and order. But that would take a real leader willing to stand up to an activist attorney general.

        Ragspierre in reply to Midwest Rhino. | October 18, 2014 at 9:20 am

        If I lived in Missouri, I’d be putting together a lil’ committee to drag that moron Nixon in front of cameras and microphones for a little “feast o’crow” session, with the intent of tamping down street justice and making sure this present office is his last.

      JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Estragon. | October 18, 2014 at 4:18 pm

      There was no need for Johnson to be believable. The purpose of putting him out there was to throw raw meat to the media and the black “community” to bring political pressure to prosecute so a few blacks can get another payday from whitey tax money.

      That Johnson is a little thug is completely irrelevant to them.

I skimmed thought the NYT article and did not see any mention of the robbery moments prior to the shooting. This blatant omission of relevant facts is typical behavior for the New York City liberals in the mainstream media. Moreover, the article went to lengths to emphasize that the physical evidence does not exonerate Wilson’s actions following the assault in the police car.

    Gremlin1974 in reply to nebel. | October 18, 2014 at 12:12 am

    Just more “objective” reporting from the lame stream media.

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to nebel. | October 18, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    Heh. There’s a reason why this biased story was released by the NYT on a Friday evening at 9:30.

    Holder and his leftist thugs, black and white, wanted as few people as possible to see the big bowl of stewed crow on their dinner table.

Does not surprise me that the information coming from this County Grand Jury is corroborating the officer. It just annoys and embarrasses me that people can be so driven to falsely accuse white cops of racism all the time. This has got to stop.

If there was a video of he actual struggle and shooting it would make no difference to the Ferguson crowd. The want reparations and nothing is going to get in their wy.

    That’s a legit point of yours (not theirs). ‘They’ want reparations, taken from other people, and given to them, for the perceived acts of two completely different individuals. There seems to be something broken in their Cause-Effect chain that they are unable to see for themselves, which seems to indicate a certain amount of the Dunning-Kruger effect in play here.

      Ragspierre in reply to georgfelis. | October 18, 2014 at 10:48 am

      Ah! A chance to state Ragspierre’s First and Second Corollaries to Acton’s proposition…

      “A sense of victimhood corrupts; an absolute sense of victimhood corrupts absolutely.”

      Substitute “entitlement” for “victimhood” for the Second.

      Estragon in reply to georgfelis. | October 19, 2014 at 4:13 am

      The rioters and looters don’t want anything given to them. They would be happy just to take it themselves – and are.

      A week or so ago, one was threatening all local businesses for some perceived lack of support, and in the same statement complaining about those which had closed in the wake of damage and were not coming back.

      You’re not going to restock with HDTVs? That’s racist!

Andrew, as I posted below in the other article about this topic, I don’t think Brown was ever inside the police car, but struggled with Wilson through the window. As I said there, the blood on the inside door panel is consistent with Brown’s arm in that position. Or is there specific testimony so far the police car door was open and Brown was actually inside?

    A lot of that depends on how you define the word “inside” in relation to a person and a vehicle. The common definition, fully encapsulated by the vehicle (including their legs/feet) in one way to read it.

    On the other hand(s), if a person was standing outside the vehicle with their entire upper body thrust into the open window, or had their feet on the ground but was leaning into an open door, in either case an observer outside the vehicle might say the person was also outside the vehicle. However, to an observer in the driver’s seat with an open window, or in the driver’s seat with the door open and trying to get out, a person with their entire body leaning into the vehicle and fighting with them would almost certainly be considered to be “in the vehicle” with them, even though their legs were outside and their feet were still planted on the ground.

    I don’t see a person who is striking an person inside a vehicle, and possibly fighting for the person’s handgun, doing so with just an arm or two stuck in the window or through the door frame, leaving their head and body outside. The first thing a defender is going to do in this type of situation is lean away from the threat, toward the passenger side, which would cause the attacker to lean in even farther if he wanted to continue the attack.

      jayjerome66 in reply to DJ9. | October 18, 2014 at 12:41 pm

      If Brown was actually inside the police car, then the door would have been swung open, and I can’t visualize a way Brown’s blood would then end up on the door panel from a shot fired at him by Wilson.

      I think Brown struggled with Wilson through the open window. And during the struggle Wilson fired two shots, one hitting Brown, the other missing. We’ll probably know more when the full grand jury evidence reports are released in the next few weeks (assuming they don’t vote to prosecute), or from other forensic leaks to the press.

        JackRussellTerrierist in reply to jayjerome66. | October 18, 2014 at 5:22 pm

        I can certainly see how Brown’s blood would be on the door panel if he was shot with the door open.

        Brown’s blood was also found on Wilson’s shirt, which suggests Brown was up close and real personal when he was shot. I think Brown was standing on the ground between the door and Wilson, whom he (Brown) began beating. Wilson managed to pull his service weapon. Brown tried to get that gun after it was pulled, either before or after he was shot, more likely before.

        If Brown hadn’t had a hold of Wilson, Wilson could have moved toward the passenger side, putting himself out of Brown’s solid reach and punches if Brown was only through the window, and fired at Brown relatively unmolested. This was a Chevy Tahoe, a fairly large and spacious vehicle.

        The way I see it is this: Brown pushed Wilson back into the vehicle as Wilson tried to exit, which is what Wilson says, and went after Wilson with his fists. Brown has the upper hand at this time, due to his great size, strength and physical position over Wilson. Wilson managed to get his service weapon out while suffering blows from Brown. Brown noticed Wilson getting his weapon, senses he is about to lose his advantage, and struggles with Wilson to get his gun but Wilson fires anyway, as he should. Wilson fired twice. He hit Brown in the arm, who then backed out, brushing his arm on the door panel to move the door or just in the course of extricating himself to run. Or it may be spatter from the true hit. We don’t have information as to whether it’s a spatter, a smear, a droplet, or a print.

        Here’s another thought to consider: If the first round Wilson fired hit Brown, and Brown continued to batter Wilson (instead of backing off) such that Wilson fired a second round, then it signals Wilson that Brown is not easily stopped, which would then be part of Wilson’s thinking when moments later the fleeing Brown turned around and came back at Wilson. Unless their rage or determination is so great that they’ll continue their rampage no matter what, most people back up when they take an even comparatively minor bullet wound.

        Johnson ran away like a little bitch as soon as the shooting started and didn’t see squat after that.

        It must have been one helluva struggle for Wilson.

        Exiting a marked police vehicle is inherently a vulnerable moment for an officer.

        If Wilson had managed a head shot (or 2 or 3) or a center mass shot (or 2 or 3), there never would have been a “Hands up! Don’t shoot!” narrative or much hoopla about the whole thing. It’s too bad those two rounds weren’t placed better, but Wilson could only do what he could do in the moment.

        Brown demonstrated in the store robbery video that he has no qualms about using his size and strength to push other people around to get his way. Most big guys are pretty nice – they can afford to be because nobody messes with them 🙂 But there are some who sense psychological fear of their size in others and take advantage of that. They become big, vicious bullies. Brown was such a man. But these people are too stupid to understand that somebody who is armed is more likely to shoot them than fight them for that exact reason. What they perceive as an intimidating advantage becomes a liability when their opponent/victim is armed.

        The moral of the story is never bring a fist to a gunfight, especially if you’re a Big Dude. 🙂

          Good points. Mostly agree. As for Tahoes, they seem large when you first start driving them, but not so much after awhile, until, for example you drive one on the Road to the Sun, in Glacier Park, as I did a week ago, and realize that roads like that are just not built for vehicles that size. Currently though, my Tahoe is my smallest vehicle – I have an extended cab full bed Z71 pickup, and a GMC 2500 Suburban somewhere. Both are a bit longer and higher, but the front seat area is essentially identical on all three. You can’t tell them apart from the front, just the side and rear.

          Getting back to the case, my memory is that we were told earlier that Wilson had claimed that he had tried to edit his vehicle, and that one of the perps (likely Brown) slammed his door on him. And that Brown had reached in. What may be a reasonable scenario is Wilson rolling down his window to talk to the two people who were walking down the middle of the street. When he got the call about the strong armed robbery (class B felony), he stopped and tried to exit the vehicle. He was prevented by the door being slammed on him, and then the 300 lb Brown reached in, and started to beat on him. In self defense, he drew and fired, hitting Brown at close range on the arm being used. The two start running away, Wilson is now able to exit his vehicle, does so, and tells the fleeing felons to freeze (at least Brown now is up to two Class B felonies in the last 10 minutes or so). Instead of freezing, Brown turns and starts advancing on Wilson. (Wilson claims Brown “bull rushed” him at this point). One or two volleys were fired in self defense, with the head shots probably being the fatal shots.

          Brown’s blood on the inside of the vehicle, as well as on Wilson, strongly supports (so far, at least) that Brown was initially shot with part of his body in the vehicle – presumably that right arm of his. Or, maybe to rephrase, the part of Brown’s body that was initially shot was the part that was in the vehicle, and physics and the autopsy say that was his right arm.

          BTW – I agree with the poster who suggested that Wilson couldn’t have grabbed Brown by the neck, given Brown’s size. Tahoes sit high, but not nearly that high, and it would have been idiotic for Wilson to try to control the much larger Brown in that way, if he could have reached his neck, which he most likely couldn’t. At that point, Wilson probably needs to either retreat in his vehicle, or exit it to better protect himself, and hopefully arrest this violent felon. He apparently chose the latter.

          Besides, so what if Wilson had tried to grab Brown by the neck? Given the strong armed robbery, Wilson was most likely legally privileged to do so. Brown had no privilege to resist, and definitely not to resist violently. Class B felonies are major felonies (despite the small amount stolen). Statutory penalty is 5-15 years in prison.

If the eyewitnesses who were reported confirming Wilson’s account do not change their testimony under oath, there is simply no way you could vote to charge him in good conscience.

The failure of the Times to mention the robbery or the video or the other witnesses seems a clear indication of how they intend to continue spinning the story to conform to leftist agitprop.

    Bruce Hayden in reply to Estragon. | October 19, 2014 at 7:25 am

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    Bruce Hayden in reply to Estragon. | October 19, 2014 at 7:40 am

    Let’s try that again (my iPad doesn’t play well with the LI commenting software).

    The reason that the strong armed robbery is key here, and why the NYT’s failure to mention it is critical, if not serious journalistic malpractice, is that the knowledge of the robbery by Wilson turns this interaction from an investigatory stop to a major (class B) felony arrest. This privileges Wilson to use a significant amount of force (and criminally penalizes Brown for resisting). Despite MO law to the contrary, likely not deadly force initially, until, and if, Brown physically attacked Wilson. So, if the two had just run away, Wilson probably couldn’t legally have shot Brown. But short of that, Wilson was very likely legally entitled to use as much force as needed to effect the arrest.

This was always going to be the most likely outcome. Darren Wilson had a good name and there was no evidence that he was racist.

Brown was a thug. The fact that he was involved in a strong arm robbery not long before the incident that caused him to be killed is in my mind evidence enough that he was not an innocent victim, just like the more recent cases (where the mother and relatives claimed the guy was eating a sandwich but he had a stolen gun!!)

With regard to Dorian Johnson, it is now very clear that he was lying in what he said to the press, and I suspect that he was told to give that story by a certain someone who was on the scene… a known activist and black panther.

Ahhhh. Sweet vindication:

“The officer, Darren Wilson, has told the authorities that during the scuffle, Mr. Brown reached for the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.”

I have been posting for months that the entry wounds and exit wounds on the autopsy drawing were consistent with Brown reaching into the car and getting shot in his dominate right arm. (What is interesting is that Officer Wilson testified that he fired twice in the car. This is new information and is contradicted by other eye-witnesses.)

Richard Aubrey | October 18, 2014 at 8:03 am

There are, or were, reports that Wilson reached out of the window for Brown’s neck.
??????
I have a 17 1/2 neck and big hands. I don’t weight 300. I can barely circle my neck with BOTH hands.
My shoulder hurts in sympathy for the hypothetical arm being presented to Brown for whatever he wanted to do with it, using all his strength, both hands, leverage and maneuverability. IOW, the idea that a cop would reach out of the car for some giant neck….. And then do what with it? I mean, hell, at the least, Brown could simply have taken a step backward and broken the hold.
How stupid are these people?

    Richard asks rhetorically: “How stupid are these People?”

    In their childlike way, they believe what they want to believe, facts and reason be damned. Once you are “all in” with the narrative being pushed, whether global warming/climate change or domestic terrorism, the absolutely last thing that these people will do is admit that they were wrong.

      And they can simply follow their leader, obama, in that regard.

      sequester in reply to Redneck Law. | October 18, 2014 at 9:48 am

      In their childlike way, they believe what they want to believe, facts and reason be damned.

      They are easily pushed into a frenzy and logic, facts or reason absolutely don’t matter. Reasoned argument will not work. (I am not making a racial statement but a statement about a personality type).

      In New York City the defense lawyers used to simply say to such people “You do the crime, you do the time”. It is about all you can say after you explain felony murder over and over again and the party still insists he is innocent because he wasn’t the shooter.

    What I’ve read has a tone of “How dare that pig try to pull that boy into his police vehicle with his hand! I’ve never seen anything like that!” And, most of us never will either, because it’s openly suicidal. But eyewitnesses saw a struggle and choose to interpret what they saw as the officer trying to pull the innocent black man into the police vehicle because the opposite just doesn’t compute.

      Bruce Hayden in reply to JBourque. | October 19, 2014 at 7:45 am

      Just keep in mind my point above – knowledge by Wilson of the strong armed robbery most likely turned this from an investigatory stop into a major felony arrest, privileging Wilson to use significant force to effect said arrest.

        Bruce Hayden in reply to Bruce Hayden. | October 19, 2014 at 7:54 am

        Same limitation as above – at the time of the initial physical interaction, Wilson was probably legally privileged to use significant force, but probably not deadly force. It was only when and if Brown physically assaulted Wilson, and esp if and when he grabbed for Wilson’s gun, that deadly force to effect the arrest may have become justified. Someone grabbing for a cop’s gun is dangerous enough to the public that deadly force to stop them (IMHO) probably passes Constitutional muster.

        jayjerome66 in reply to Bruce Hayden. | October 19, 2014 at 3:10 pm

        What did he know and when did he know it — That’s still an open question.

        Wilson had pulled away, then suddenly reversed, and drove back at them. Why?

        Possibilities: he spotted cigars in Browns hand, and put two and two together, having recently heard the police radio broadcast about the robbery; didn’t see the cigars, but the broadcast clicked in; he was just pissed off that neither of the two males he just ordered to get out of the roadway followed his instructions.

        If the stolen cigars were recovered at the scene, and Wilson told the investigators who interviewed him after the shooting that seeing them was what activated his reversal, that’s a big PLUS for him.

        If he told the investigators the broadcast suddenly rang a bell, and that’s why he reversed it’s a smaller plus.

        If he just reversed because he was piqued, that’s not going to help him.

        Guess we’ll have to wait for his official report, and the other forensics to be released — or leaked.

    These folks – or their forbears 20 years ago – argued passionately that OJ was innocent. Facts are ‘white’ and racist by definition.

“Remarkably, the Times leaves unwritten the fact that Johnson has already confessed to collaborating with Brown in a strong-arm robbery of a local convenience store only minutes before the shooting that took Brown’s life.”

Did he confess to more being with Michael Brown in the store? I would greatly appreciate a link(s).

    pst314 in reply to pst314. | October 18, 2014 at 8:46 am

    “more than

    Midwest Rhino in reply to pst314. | October 18, 2014 at 9:31 am

    don’t know what he confessed to .. but in the video at the store, I recall Brown handed Johnson something (to steal it seemed) and Johnson put it back on the counter before leaving.

    But he was still with him and observed the crime, and iirc, later shared in the loot. Then he gave false reports about the shooting. Maybe he can still “make a deal” if he tells the truth.

    jayjerome66 in reply to pst314. | October 19, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    Ferguson police decided not to charge him with anything. Maybe to try and damp down the riots at that time, and not be accused of trying to intimidate a witness with jail. Or maybe Holder threatened to bring racial bias charges against the DA. In any case, there are no outstanding charges against him for the cigar-swipe listed on any of the St. Louis police websites I could find.

Ok, call me stump stupid, but where did this actually come from? The article only says where it did not come from.

Richard Aubrey | October 18, 2014 at 9:51 am

I suppose the question could be put differently:
How stupid do they think the rest of us are (that we would believe such nonsense)?
Is the proportion of stupid people who would believe this stuff sufficient?
How many people will agree to look stupid (pretending to believe this stuff)?

So, the racist bastards massaged the forensics to match Wilson’s story, eh?

In an interview, Benjamin L. Crump, a lawyer for the Brown family, dismissed Officer Wilson’s account of what happened in the S.U.V. that day.

“What the police say is not to be taken as gospel,” Mr. Crump said, adding that Officer Wilson should be indicted by the grand jury and his case sent to trial. “He can say what he wants to say in front of a jury. They can listen to all the evidence and the people can have it transparent so they know that the system works for everybody.”

He added: “The officer’s going to say whatever he’s going to say to justify killing an unarmed kid. Right now, they have this secret proceeding where nobody knows what’s happening and nobody knows what’s going on. No matter what happened in the car, Michael Brown ran away from him.”

As with the death of Trayvon Martin, the evidence is irrelevant to some people. The racial narrative trumps facts.

Rev. Al Sharpton said, “It sounds like a Michael Dunn defense and it did not work in Florida and it should not work in Missouri.” Rev. Sharpton will also announce a four day Michael Brown weekend, symbolic of the four hours he lay in the street dying. He will lead this event in Ferguson, MO from October 31 – November 3, more details will be available soon.
*******
So, yeah. This is sounding JUST like Dunn in Florida.

If you’re an idiot race hustler…

I submitted a reasonable comment to the NY Times article concerning the omissions and such. It was respectful, factual, referenced, contained no finger pointing or profanity and they did not print the comment. That should pretty much tell you everything you need to know.

Oh my god the news reporters are lying, Ferguson and st. louis department is lying! Don’t you see the contradiction, have you been keeping up with the all of the story? Darien Johnson is the one who stated that Michael Brown was shot standing on the outside of the SUV the first day of the shooting!! look on youtube you’ll find that information!!

Michael Brown never touched officer Wilson by physically pushing him back into the SUV. Officer Wilson never put one foot out of the SUV. Officer Wilson never stood up in order to be pushed back into the SUV. You stupid asses!! Do you know why we know this did not happen because officer Wilson would have leg injuries because the door closed back, if he was stepping out of the SUV!! Officer Wilson would have hit the back of the head or neck on the top of the SUV, he did not have any of these injury!! If he was standing up after getting out of the SUV if Michael Brown pushed him back in the SUV!! he would have to have some type of injurys. This physical assault does not exist, it is on video from the day of the shooting, officer Wilson had no injuries to his face!!! It is a bold faced lie!!

The forensic evidence does not back up officer Wilson statement that was given by St Louis Police Department that was given on August 10th or this latest bullshit that he just put out two months later!!! The forensic evidence back up Darien Johnson statement that was given on August 9th!!! go back through the videos Darien johnson stated Michael was shot standing at the door of the SUV they saw blood. The police department lied about how many times the gun was shot, they lied about Wilson sustaining face injury, they lied about the distance of the scene and they are going to continue to lie.
Isn’t it quite strange how Wilson give his statement right after the Justice Department give there report!! What is the difference in him given his statement in August and to give his statement two months later? Officer Wilson has heard all of the witness statement and now he has the Justice Department report!! There so many lies and contradictions with the police department in their investigation, if the grand jury is not prejudiced they will see these lying contradiction no matter what!

    Hahahaha! That’s awesome.

    My rebuttal: !! !!!! !! !!!!! ! !!!. And furthermore, !!! ! !!!! !!. Finally, LIED!!!!!!

    –Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

    Someone ought to do a mockumentary: “When the critical race theory narrative dies: A post-mortem.”

    –Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

    Ragspierre in reply to Lindastheone. | October 18, 2014 at 9:31 pm

    That is just sad…

    I mean…pathetically, pathologically, sad…

    jayjerome66 in reply to Lindastheone. | October 19, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    “Darien Johnson is the one who stated that Michael Brown was shot standing on the outside of the SUV the first day of the shooting!!“

    Darien Johnson is the one who falsely claimed Michael Brown was shot in the back was running away – a lie he repeated over and over at the scene, and helped fuel the riots that followed. He kept lying about it until the autopsy report was released.

    “Michael Brown never touched officer Wilson by physically pushing him back into the SUV.”

    But that’s what your lying twerp Darien Johnson said happened. So which lie are you backing?

    “ Officer Wilson never stood up in order to be pushed back into the SUV.”

    He didn’t have to stand up; he could have been pushed back trying to get out.

    “This physical assault does not exist, it is on video from the day of the shooting, officer Wilson had no injuries to his face!!!”

    Really? Post a link to videos or photos at the scene of Wilson’s face. Go on, let’s see it.

    “Darien johnson stated Michael was shot standing at the door of the SUV they saw blood.”

    Right. And Brown’s blood was found INSIDE the police car door panel. And his blood was on Wilson’s shirt. And his blood was on Wilson’s gun. And like you said, Wilson didn’t get out of the car, which mean’s Brown was partially INSIDE it. Try and wrap your brain around that, try, try, try!

    “The police department lied about how many times the gun was shot, they lied about Wilson sustaining face injury, they lied about the distance of the scene and they are going to continue to lie.”

    Who cares what the police said. The forensic techs and the medical examiner and the doctors at the hospital where Wilson was taken (and photographed) sent all that info to the Grand Jury. That’s the official record. If Wilson had facial injuries and/or scratches the grand jury has seen them. And so will you if they vote not to indict.

    “Isn’t it quite strange how Wilson give his statement right after the Justice Department give there report!!”

    Wrong. He gave his statement to the St Louis investigators immediately after the shooting – the Justice Department was referencing that report in the Times, and the grand jury had that report when Wilson testified, and if there were any significant discrepancies they know it. And will judge him accordingly.

    “Officer Wilson was a paid Corrupt racist criminal when Michael Brown was a little boy!!”

    Did you read and were you able to comprehend your own link? Wilson wasn’t accused of anything, and did not have any disciplinary problems on that force. And when the force was reconstituted with a new chief, he would have been rehired if he reapplied, but had already been hired at Ferguson. And Brown wasn’t a ‘little boy’ at the time – he was 14 years old.

    And by the way, what your rationalization for Brown blatantly robbing the cigars like that? Did the devil make him do it?

 Aussie, I can truly understand why you and other would say something stupid s*** like that it’s called racism! If you feel that he has a good name and there is no evidence of racism, then what is this? Officer Wilson was given national anacknowledgement for doing a good job by the Klu Klux Klan for killing another African American person. Officer Wilson was a paid Corrupt racist criminal when Michael Brown was a little boy!! All Michael Brown did was bullied a clerk ONE TIME!! With this proof in your face you people feel that officer Wilson is a man with a good name and there has been no proof of him being racist.. His past is the proof and with this murder he received another notch up once the Ku Klux Klan louder!!!

Officer Darren Wilson was a Ex Member Of Fired A Police Force Due To Racism, Corruption… http://newsone.com/3047933/darren-wilson-jennings-mo/

    Ragspierre in reply to Lindastheone. | October 18, 2014 at 11:06 pm

    Wholly CRAP…!!!

    What meds SHOULD you be taking…??? You NEED to be religious in your ingestion.

      JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Ragspierre. | October 18, 2014 at 11:47 pm

      Ah, just let ‘er rip. This is a great display of the gross stupidity, gullibility and void of any critical thinking skills that this country has been producing for years now.

      This poster represents the culmination of decades of the libtard agenda to dumb down and indoctrinate the masses.

      This poster is a glorious blossom of their efforts.

      Estragon in reply to Ragspierre. | October 19, 2014 at 5:25 am

      I don’t think she needs any more.

    Lindastheone,

    The cite you provided has Darren Wilson’s age at 38 years old. He is only 28. How much else has the “NewsOne – News for Black America” gotten wrong?

    Yukio Ngaby in reply to Lindastheone. | October 20, 2014 at 12:46 am

    Man, you’re a bundle of laughs, Lindastheone.

    “KLAN! KLAN! KLAN! KLAN! KILLING BLACK PEOPLE! And also Aussie you’re a racist! So what if Brown bullied a clerk? I know he only did it once. And KLAN!”

    You should do stand up.

    ConradCA in reply to Lindastheone. | October 20, 2014 at 11:40 pm

    According to Officer Wilson’s testimony before the grand jury he was assaulted by Brown before he could get out of his truck. That Brown hit him on his head and attempted to take his gun away. He fired the gun twice and hit Brown once in the arm and missed with the other shot. At the shot Brown and his friend fled were upon Officer Wilson attempted to arrest them for assault on a police officer. When Officer Wilson ordered them to stop Brown turned and charged the officer. When that happened Officer Wilson opened fire on Brown and fired until Brown stopped charging him.

    This testimony appears to be supported by the evidence leaked to the news media.

    The “witness” testimony that claimed Brown was shot in the back has been proven to be lies. That includes the testimony by Brown’s accomplice Dorian Johnson who’s testimony is tainted by the fact that he is a felon and previously filed a false report to the police. We still need hear the rest of the evidence, but I expect that it will support the officers testimony.

    ConradCA in reply to Lindastheone. | October 20, 2014 at 11:53 pm

    “Officer Wilson was a paid Corrupt racist criminal when Michael Brown was a little boy!!”

    What evidence is there to support your claim that Officer Wilson was corrupt, racist and a criminal? There is no evidence other than he happened to work at an organization were some of the officers were corrupt. That is no proof of anything.

    Did you know that Brown was 6′ 4″ and nearly 300 pounds? He was larger than most football players. Furthermore, he was 18 years old and by every definition not a little boy.

    forksdad in reply to Lindastheone. | October 21, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    No, you guys are missing it. Linda is trolling and fairly well. No one is so stupid to believe the crap he’s (she’s?) writing. It has to be a troll.

amatuerwrangler | October 18, 2014 at 9:52 pm

Well sh*t. I wanted to make a comment/question and had to go find my password. I get back and get hit right between the running lights with Linda’s thing and I feel significantly dumber for reading it. I will make a valiant attempt, nonetheless.

This grand jury in Ferguson: was it convened to determine whether or not the officer committed murder or was it convened to determine what crimes, if any, were committed during the course of the events that resulted in he death of Michael Brown? I know nothing of Missouri law (and just enough in my home state to make me dangerous, to myself anyway) so I don’t know how this works there.

If the latter is the case, it might be interesting to contemplate the idea of it handing down (or is it up) an indictment of Brown (posthumous, of course) for robbery and assault on a police officer, or of Darian Johnson for robbery and some crime related to giving false evidence.

How did I do, handicapped for having read Linda’s post…?

Too bad the blood toxicology report didn’t surface somehow. I am thinking PCP. I have to believe this is part of the overall strategy, but it would have explained so much.

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to amwick. | October 19, 2014 at 11:56 am

    I suspect ingestion of cultural behavior poisoning more so than I do foreign chemical ingestion.

    Ragspierre in reply to amwick. | October 19, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    Wasn’t there an early release showing some marijuana metabolites…???

    Nothing more.

      amwick in reply to Ragspierre. | October 19, 2014 at 8:15 pm

      Something I read about, blunts being soaked in some kind of pcp. The results are pretty well known:

      •The drugged person lacks any rational judgment
      •He (or she) feels no pain
      •He thinks of himself as invulnerable
      •He is often aggressive
      •He is willing to harm himself or others.

      Sounds familiar to me.. just sayin’

        Ragspierre in reply to amwick. | October 19, 2014 at 10:27 pm

        Yeah, but it would have been evident, I think.

        I’m not saying I know-know, just that I remember a tox screen only showing MJ metabolites, and not even really high ones of those.

        PCP is a really bad, horrible, awful drug, and LOTS of people have been shot all to hell and gone, and still managed to do serious damage to LEOs. Several cases of a guy’s thorax reduced to hamburger, and they managed to kill an officer.

          amwick in reply to Ragspierre. | October 20, 2014 at 8:37 am

          Exactly.
          But, seeing how information was protected, and then slowly leaked, I keep thinking there is a chance the presence of PCP was part of that. Admittedly speculation.

Now that murder is out could Officer Wilson be indicted for anything else? Is it likely?

    Ragspierre in reply to weenchit. | October 19, 2014 at 10:39 am

    Don’t count your chickens WRT murder.

    Other crimes? What do you have in mind that does not have the same defense theory?

      weenchit in reply to Ragspierre. | October 20, 2014 at 8:00 pm

      I believe that Officer Wilson is completely innocent – morally and legally. I am just hoping that they won’t be able to go after him for lesser crimes and drag this stupid thing out even more. I fear that there are endless technicalities that can be invoked using the wiggle room left open by there not being a 3D HD interactive recording of the main event.

Char Char Binks | October 20, 2014 at 2:10 pm

The mob “knew” he was lying before he said one word.

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