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Is Ebola about to go wild?

Is Ebola about to go wild?

The protocol “works” in Dallas, but health worker “breaches protocol” and contracts disease.

http://youtu.be/LOpJHvOtQp4

No, of course not, because we have it under control.

Oh, wait, ‘Heroic’ Health Worker Becomes Second U.S. Ebola Case:

A Texas health care worker who cared for Liberian Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan at a Dallas hospital has tested positive for the disease, hospital officials said Sunday. The worker became infected despite wearing full protective gear while treating Duncan, who later died from the disease, during his second visit to the hospital.

If the preliminary diagnosis is confirmed by the Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, it would be the first known case of the disease being contracted or transmitted in the U.S.

“That health care worker is a heroic person who provided care to Mr. Duncan,” Dallas Judge Clay Jenkin said at a news conference Sunday morning.

No need to worry, NIH official: ‘The system worked’:

Following news that a healthcare working in Dallas has tested positive for Ebola, a top official at the National Institutes of Health said Sunday that the “system worked.”

“This was a breach in protocol,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said on ABC’s “This Week.”
Officials in Dallas said a healthcare worker who cared for Thomas Eric Duncan, the first U.S. Ebola patient who died last week, has tested positive for the deadly virus despite following CDC precautions, such as wearing a mask, gloves, gown and face shield.

“We know that this person had direct contact with the patient,” Fauci said.

Fauci said officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will review the incident to find out how the transmission happened. They will then “fortify” the protocol to make sure it is followed, he added.

So it was just human error? Isn’t that the way it always is? Yet while other countries have travel and airline bans, we have nothing other than after-the-fact protocols.

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What a gift ebola is to obama’s efforts to destroy our once-great nation.

    TexasRanger in reply to Rick. | October 14, 2014 at 12:59 am

    Ebola – You, Your Family and Co-Workers are at Unnecessary Risk! Here’s What You Can Do – Listen to Judge Jeanine Pirro! Also – Rename Ebola to Obola!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Gkzm7O0ew

    Help Do Something – Sign the Petition Now! And Spread the Word Not The Virus!

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/have-faa-ban-all-incoming-and-outgoing-flights-ebola-stricken-countries-until-ebola-outbreak/FFJHH9yX

    The 1918 Flu Virus Pandemic infected over 500 million people across the world, including the USA, remote Pacific islands and the Arctic, and killed 50 to 100 million of them, that’s a 10 to 20 percent death rate.

    A large factor in the worldwide occurrence of this flu was increased travel. Modern transportation systems made it easier for soldiers, sailors, and civilian travelers to spread the disease.

    Now we have Jumbo Jets and the Ebola Virus….. With a 70 to 90 percent death rate!

    Help Do Something – Sign the Petition Now! And Spread the Word Not The Virus!

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    Obama is Wrong – People are dying! – Help Stop Ebola University of Kansas Hospital Dallas Nurse Duncan Patient Zero!

It is MUCH worse than that. We’ve sent about 3000 of our military to Liberia where they will be in direct contact with Ebola patients.

Any idea what they might bring home – assuming they get to come home and don’t simply die like flies themselves.

    Awing1 in reply to Granny. | October 12, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    Every single report I’ve read quite explicitly states that our servicemembers will not be in direct contact with any patients.

    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/10/09/militarys_ebola_funding_tied_up_in_the_senate

      Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 2:48 pm

      But…

      1. some of them are expressly there to be in contact with “patient” blood, and…

      2. they will be in contact with “pre-patients” and/or unknown carriers who have resistance to the disease.

      Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 3:56 pm

      But ABC News medical expert Richard Besser conceded that there is a “very real” possibility some forces may come into contact with Ebola victims and succumb to the disease themselves.

      “Right now we have a situation where only 20% of patients with Ebola are being treated in treatment units,” Besser told ABC News host Martha Raddatz. “So there are a lot of patients who have Ebola who are not in a protected environment. So the possibility of a soldier getting Ebola is very real and something we have to be ready for.”

      I will maintain a healthy (I HOPE…) skepticism toward the ‘everything is beautiful’ lullabies from the same outfit that is selling ObamaDoggle with a pack of lies.

      Thank you very much…

        Awing1 in reply to Ragspierre. | October 12, 2014 at 4:25 pm

        Ah, well, if a MSM outlet could find someone with credentials to say something sensationalist, you’re fully right, the government must be lying, Ebola’s probably airborne and in your ventilation ducts right now.

          Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 4:37 pm

          But your straw man doesn’t resemble me, you lying SOS.

          If you wanted to discuss this, that would be fine.

          As it is, you’re just trolling, and I’ll beat your brains out.

          Awing1 in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 4:43 pm

          Excuse me? I attacked your argument head on buddy, by attacking the credibility of the authority you appealed to. A straw man is an argument against a position that looks similar to the position originally taken, but actually isn’t the same. Like you attacking my claim that ‘it’s a lie to say service members will be in direct contact with patients’ by arguing ‘they’ll be dealing with blood’. That is a straw man.

          Learn what words mean before using them.

          Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 4:47 pm

          See, now, you’re getting all excited.

          And lying about what I DID say. And about what you said.

          Just as I knew you would.

          AND, it’s all there to see. LOVE IT…!!!

          Awing1 in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 4:48 pm

          It is all there to see. I strongly urge you to go see a psychiatrist.

          Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 4:53 pm

          But, darling, I never “attacked you for lying” until you started…well…lying.

          I disagreed with your assertion, which wrong. If that is an “attack”, you are the one who needs some help. Puuuur delicate snowflake.

          Awing1 in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 5:06 pm

          You never, not once, disproved my original assertion that, contrary to the top-level comment, our servicemembers are not expressly going there to have direct contact with patients. You didn’t even manage to do that in your weirdly uniformed bald assertions. Seriously, seek help.

          Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 5:38 pm

          Well, honey, you posed another straw man.

          Nobody in “the top level” I can find made any such claim as you say they did.

          Be good enough to quote that. Maybe I missed it.

          I think it entirely reasonable to believe that, of 4000 odd U.S. service people, some will, in fact, come into direct contact with people who have Ebola. Don’t you?

          Awing1 in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 5:45 pm

          “We’ve sent about 3000 of our military to Liberia where they will be in direct contact with Ebola patients.”

          Get some glasses, read that quote from the original comment, re-read my comment, then show me how your claims purport to disprove mine.

          Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 5:53 pm

          Ah! I do see your problem.

          You inject stuff where it isn’t.

          “….our servicemembers are not expressly going there to have direct contact with patients.”

          Versus…

          “We’ve sent about 3000 of our military to Liberia where they will be in direct contact with Ebola patients.”

          I hope you CAN see the significant differences in those two statements.

          Hint: “expressly” is your straw man corruption.

          Nobody suggested their mission was to hug Ebola sufferers, did they now?

          Awing1 in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 6:09 pm

          Fine, take out expressly from my most recent iteration, it’s not something I included in my former ones, the ones you claimed to be contradicting.

          Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 6:33 pm

          Perhaps I was too abbreviated and confused you.

          If someone is handling blood from an Ebola patient, aren’t they in effective “contact” with that individual and the virus IF a barrier breach happens? Isn’t the the express mission of some of the military over there…testing blood samples?

          When our service people are in country…in direct proximity with people infected by Ebola…isn’t it possible they WILL come into contact with someone capable of transmitting the disease to them in conditions that make that likely?

          I, you see, am not sanguine about those questions or their answers.

          Awing1 in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 6:49 pm

          Don’t you get tired moving that goalpost all over the field?

          No, people handling blood samples are not in direct contact with a patient. They may be at risk, but so are researchers that deal with viral samples that have been frozen for decades and whose original host is long dead. Nobody would say they are in direct contact with patients even if there was an exposure. If you want to pretend they’re the same thing, and that using them interchangeably isn’t grossly misleading, I suppose that’s your prerogative.

          Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 7:43 pm

          I didn’t move anything, liar. Anyone can see that I stated the same position with somewhat greater elaboration.

          Anyone can see you chose to attack me, rather than answer the questions I posed in each instance.

          A word of advice…

          I play the role of contrarian myself sometimes, and I honor the role. IF you want to act as a contrarian, don’t you dare lie, misstate another’s position, or go crazy when you are challenged (as you did here).

          Up to you, of course…

          Look at your numbers. You failed badly.

        Awing1 in reply to Ragspierre. | October 12, 2014 at 4:31 pm

        “they will be in contact with “pre-patients” and/or unknown carriers who have resistance to the disease.”

        It is extremely unlikely that Ebola would be effective as an agent in a carrier for a variety of epidemiological reasons. You’re a fool.

          Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 4:42 pm

          I’m a fool? Perhaps. I do retain that human capacity.

          I have not been wrong about this yet, though.

          “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan”.

          It seems…NOT foolish…to remain skeptical, if not outright incredulous, with the liar we know are liars.

          Awing1 in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 4:46 pm

          What the heck? Are you seriously trying to say you’re right about the infectious capabilities of a non-virulent EVD case in a “carrier” host because Obama lied about Obamacare?

          Are you seriously that desperate, or are you just that insane?

          Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 4:49 pm

          No. I pretend no expertise on the subject of virology.

          What’s yours, BTW?

          I DO maintain that skepticism is wise.

          Awing1 in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 5:04 pm

          So what was the point of your comment then? Why are you throwing Obamacare in to back-up your incredulous claim about this apparently new talent of Filoviridae to remain dormant intra-host pre-symptom and still be infectious? Why did you even make that claim to begin with?

          I’ve studied the efficacy of various methods to promote Recombinant DNA host gene expression. As to ebolavirus in particular, I’ve read a few of the systematic analysis descriptors, and they seem pretty thorough. To learn why your comment is ridiculous, this article’s a good starting point: http://www.pnas.org/content/94/26/14764.short

          Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 5:14 pm

          My point was merely to disagree with your first assertion.

          There are many more people who are symptomatic who are NOT “patients”, and won’t live long enough to ever to be patients.

          Is that not true?

          I did not ever say the government is lying, though they are liars, as we know. I said I will maintain my skepticism.

          You used the word “unlikely”. That’s funny…!!!

          I did not say the guy on ABC was a prophet. I reported what he was saying.

          And you meant “incredible”. Not “incredulous”.

          Awing1 in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 5:36 pm

          Oh, well, I see. If your point was just to disagree with my original assertion, I guess I shouldn’t hold you to using facts or logic, should I? I forgot the rule that when you’re disagreeing with someone else’s assertion, you don’t have to stay within the bounds of reality.

          Nothing you said actually disagreed with my original assertion. They aren’t being sent there to be in contact with patients. You quite explicitly called them liars in your reply to my first comment, and you threw a bunch of claims that were irrelevant to mine (some of which were just laughably improbable from a scientific standpoint).

          “You used the word “unlikely”. That’s funny…!!!”

          Why is that funny? It is extremely unlikely, that’s an accurate descriptor.

          “And you meant “incredible”. Not “incredulous”.”

          No, I meant incredulous. I think you need a little more Shakespeare in your life.

          Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 5:43 pm

          You are just lying. People can read what I DID say.

          You are overwrought. Lie down, and stop making a fool of yourself.

          Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 5:46 pm

          I read the abstract you linked to.

          http://www.pnas.org/content/94/26/14764.short

          I found nothing germane to this exchange.

          Enlighten us, using its contents, please. Be careful. You seem unhinged.

          Awing1 in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 5:48 pm

          What part am I lying about, exactly?

          Awing1 in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 6:06 pm

          As I said, that article gives you a starting point. You have to have a base to understanding the most recent literature on ebolavirus’ relevant characteristics. It’s a descriptive overlay of the primary methodology currently in use for research into infection routes and virulence mechanisms for ebolavirus, in particular Ebola Reston virus.

          Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 6:10 pm

          Yeah, no.

          You missed. Wanna try some more?

          Awing1 in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 6:12 pm

          I can only imagine you’re saying that because you assume anyone else reading this chain isn’t going to take the time to actually read the article, and will just believe you. If that’s the case, shame on you.

          Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 6:26 pm

          Oh, NO! Quite the contrary, I hope EVERYBODY will read the abstract. A lot of the folks here are MUCH better informed than am I, and maybe they can find something germane in its contents.

          “These findings suggest that cell surface glycoproteins with N-linked oligosaccharide chains contribute to the entry of Ebola viruses, presumably acting as a specific receptor and/or cofactor for virus entry. Thus, our VSV system should be useful for investigating the functions of glycoproteins from highly pathogenic viruses or those incapable of being cultured in vitro.”

          Riveting as that paragraph may be to a biochemist, it tells me nothing about Ebola transmission in Africa, much less about sound precautions to protect troops against a virus known for its mutigenic qualities.

          I’m just a guy with an undergrad in science that included biology, organic chem, genetics, and pathology. So, whatever help you can give to connect all that jargon to our discussion is appreciated.

          So far, it just looks like smoke to me.

          Awing1 in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 6:40 pm

          FFS. Let me just copy and paste my previous response.

          “As I said, that article gives you a starting point. You have to have a base to understanding the most recent literature on ebolavirus’ relevant characteristics. It’s a descriptive overlay of the primary methodology currently in use for research into infection routes and virulence mechanisms for ebolavirus, in particular Ebola Reston virus.”

          I’ll pull out the part that’s relevant to that paragraph you quoted:

          “It’s a descriptive overlay of the primary methodology currently in use for research into infection routes and virulence mechanisms”

          The paper gives an overview of a system developed to analyze enveloped-virus glycoproteins, which are what make up the outer coating of the virus and play an essential role in both virulence and infectiousness, without needing to deal with the expense and difficulty of obtaining the use of a high-security laboratory. It’s a great starting point because much of the most recent literature depends on research using that methodology.

          Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 6:49 pm

          Groovy, I’m sure.

          It all just looks like MORE smoke to me.

          But I’m SURE you are not trying to baffle anybody with bullshit.

          Absolutely…

          (You do know what I’d do to you on the witness stand, right…???)

          Awing1 in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 7:04 pm

          I don’t want to know what a sicko like you would do to me anywhere quite frankly. A competent attorney would hire their own expert, and (presuming their expert is competent and ethical) they would tell the attorney it would be laughably unsupportable to claim that “unknown carriers who have resistance to the disease” are a relevant risk servicemembers here.

          Since you apparently didn’t like me giving you a base of understanding, I’ll just go right into an article that explains it from a slightly easier epidemiological perspective, rather than from a microbiological perspective:

          http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673600023941

          Ragspierre in reply to Awing1. | October 12, 2014 at 7:38 pm

          “Irrespective of explanation, the findings reported today imply that a similar carrier state may occur in people who have not been overtly ill.”

          Ergo, there are people who have been exposed to Ebola, developed an effective resistance to it, and could carry it via fluids from the dying to uninfected people.

          As to your jury, look at your numbers.

If I respond to a house in my ambulance, hear complaint of abdominal pain with fever, I know enough to protect myself with what are considered normal contact precautions. Extraordinary precautions are not typically used until there is proof. Gloves, gowns and masks are typical. Hazmat suits are not typical. The decon of my ambulance will take hours and dollars if every pt like this gets the full decon before the hospital gets a CDC response back from their sent samples.

The point I am trying to make is EMS in the US is better served by prevention of these patients getting here unanounced. That this prevention did not happen because of political concerns is an egregious act against an entire healthcare indrustry.

Official: It’s Not Time to Panic Over Second U.S. Ebola Case

That time has already passed.

I wonder if we will see a return to the days of burning homes and villages to eradicate disease?

Dr. Aileen Marty, who recently returned home to Miami after spending 31 days in Nigeria. She says she was surprised what happened when she arrived at Miami International Airport.

“I get to the kiosk…mark the fact that I’ve been in Nigeria and nobody cares, nobody stopped me,” Marty said.

“Not a single test?” Ramos asked her, surprised.

“Nothing,” Marty answered.
http://fusion.net/video/20107/dr-aileen-marty-tells-fusion-what-she-saw-fighting-ebola-in-nigeria/
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You are screened harder for Cuban cigars than that.

Don’t ask…

Didn’t Dallas Judge Clay Jenkin visit the apartment, without using protection, and isn’t he failing completely to comply with any quarantine procedures?

Can someone please tell me what the breach in protocol was?

The way this reads to me is that the CDC protocol was followed.

    Ragspierre in reply to Merlin01. | October 12, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    Fauci told ABC’s “This Week”: “There had to have been an innocent breach of protocol in taking care of a patient within protective equipment. That … rarely happens. We’ve been taking care of Ebola since 1976. It is unfortunate for this courageous health care worker.”

    So… No freaking clue. Just an assumption.

      we promised the protocol would keep everybody safe. except it didn’t. ergo there was a breach in protocol. see how that works?

Hmmmmm, wonder if it’s time to buy stock in hospital linens…

John McAnus just called for a “Ebola Czar”.

I kid you not. Idiots.

They WANT us sick. There is no other possible conclusion.

We need to be out there making the important conservative argument on this one: Trying to make government do *everything* means it doesn’t do anything well– including most importantly its core missions.

A CDC that spends more money on obesity awareness campaigns than infectious disease control is a CDC that is less effective than it should be at controlling infectious diseases.

“This was a breach in protocol,” Dr. Anthony Fauci … said.

Fauci said officials … will review the incident to find out how the transmission happened

So he’s just admitted that they don’t know how it happened, but are insisting – purely as a matter of faith – that it was a “breach in protocol”. But there’s no actual reason to believe that there was a breach in protocol. So there’s no reason at this point to believe that the protocol actually works. And in true Obamanian fashion, they’ll all insist it’s somebody else’s fault.

The people running this are incompetents and liars, and the press are idiots for letting them get away with their excuses.

So the answer to the question a while ago is … yes, it’s time to panic.

One of my concerns is not only the potential of widespread ebola infection but the massive costs to our country’s economy. Instead of putting the financial/time burden on a very small group of people trying to get here from the infected regions, we have put the burden on our entire nation! As the EMS person stated if every flu like symptom is treated like a possible ebola case the loss of equipment and medical facilities due to disinfecting will be enormous. It is so much easier to slow down the migration of a few inbound passengers than it is to re-equip the entire medical framework of our whole country.

Ebola studied in a lab setting = BSL-4 suits

Ebola treated in live patients in US hospitals = gowns, gloves, masks and face shields.

The population of Africa is slightly over a billion fellow humans. The progress of epidemics-pandemics is not linear. It is exponential. A key question still not answered well, is what is the “doubling rate” — in how much time, days, weeks, will the number of dead double. The current number of dead is around 4000. From what I see the rate is something like ten days right now, rough estimate. How many doubles take us to a half a billion? 180 days.
That’s a very rough estimate, but it shows one thing: ebola must be taken very seriously. Major efforts must immediately be taken to isolate the infected or possibly infected populations and individuals. That is of course in addition to providing care for those that have it, and testing the blood and vitals of everyone that survives for factors that will hopefully be able to be used for vaccines or other bio-active methods to control or alleviate the disease.
That we have a case now in the US, caught in the US should be treated a seriously in funding and response effort as the attack at Pearl Harbor was treated in 1945, or as if nuclear bomb exploded in the US.
180 days.

    Lina Inverse in reply to bvw. | October 12, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    A less rough estimate is a 3 week doubling time; starting from 20,000 cases today (a conservative estimate of the real number of cases), it would take a bit less than a year, 45 weeks to infect half a billion people.

    On the other hand, the CDC’s official worst case estimate of 1.4 million in West Africa by January is worse than the above.

    It is a dire situation.

      There’s a graph on the WHO website, their report of the 8th of October that shows a two bar graphs for Sierra Leone and for Freetown, the doubling rate from the Freetown one would be 3 weeks, the other maybe 5 weeks. Other charts in the report do not show such clear exponential rates. My ten days is a short end WAG, based on the reports of underreporting and chaotic reporting, a higher end WAG might be 80 days. In any case the progress in a more urban and mobile first world population with greater contact rates could be even higher, or with first world sanitation, health care and mortuary factors are better — the progress could be diminished.

      It was unwise for the Mayor and Governor of Louisiana not to have evacuated New Orleans under mandatory order prior to Hurricane Katrina. Yet they sought to keep a form of order by not evacuating. The impact of the hurricane was not real at the early time, days before, that a effective evac decision was needed. Politically it was very hard for them to see a benefit to ordering the massive discomforts and dislocations of a full major city evac. This is where we are today. In some attempt to avoid a panic, a political panic, the real dangers of a high mortality, fast breaking epidemic are being discounted by policy makers.

      We have NOT had a major epidemic of this sort during the jet age. SARS came close, but no.

      The great flu epidemic of 1918 was much worse for similar political reasons — the politicians and policy makers valued controlling the news far more than controlling the epidemic. The seriousness of the epidemic and the precautions needed to slow it were not effectively conveyed to the public because of a fear in the establishment class of the volatile reactions of the public.

This is a protocol for a BSL 4 Laboratory. Quite sure the Dallas hospital does not follow this procedure. How can the CDC spokesman imply this protocol should have been followed? Was the nurse wearing a positive pressure suit?

“The Biosafety Level 4 facility consists of either a separate building or a clearly demarcated and isolated zone within a building. The rooms in the facility are arranged to ensure passage through the changing and decontamination areas prior to entering the room(s) where work is done with BSL-4 agents (suit area). Outer and inner change rooms separated by a shower are provided for personnel entering and leaving the suit area. A specially designed suit area is maintained in the facility to provide personnel protection equivalent to that provided by Class III biological safety cabinets. Personnel who enter this area wear a one-piece positive pressure suit that is ventilated by a life-support system protected by HEPA filtration. The life support system includes redundant breathing air compressors, alarms and emergency backup breathing air tanks. Entry to this area is through an airlock fitted with airtight doors. A chemical shower is provided to decontaminate the surface of the suit before the worker leaves the area. An automatically starting emergency power source is provided at a minimum for the exhaust system, life support systems, alarms, lighting, entry and exit controls, and BSCs. The air pressure within the suit is positive to the surrounding laboratory. The air pressure within the suit area is lower than that of any adjacent area. Emergency lighting and communication systems are provided. All penetrations into the internal shell of the suit area, chemical shower, and airlocks, are sealed.”

Midwest Rhino | October 12, 2014 at 4:26 pm

That entero virus seems like more of a concern to me, with its likely links to Obama’s covert movement of tens of thousands of illegals all around the country. He used executive authority to bypass the health standards legal immigrants must meet.

Holder’s fast and furious buddies are now profiting from the coyote business. But the Mexican government had to open the path across their southern borders, and through their country. Obama arranged the rest of the trip, refusing to even inform governors, where he was dumping the invaders.

Sheryl Atkinson showed the high incidence of the EV-D68 in Central America (low numbers in the US, till now). As political as the CDC has sounded, I doubt they would tell us if they knew the illegals were the main source. But we should we be informed if they know.

But then, we should have been told we could not keep our doctors, and that Obama and Hillary left Stevens to die while they concocted a coverup, and that Lerner coordinated with the White House in her IRS attacks. (if those things are as true as they seem)

http://sharylattkisson.com/polio-like-outbreak-claims-fifth-life-in-u-s

BannedbytheGuardian | October 12, 2014 at 4:45 pm

I have good sources ( trained by the USA military at Fort Dendrik) that say the US military teaches very different scenarios & protocol than what can be expected by civilian hospitals.

Only in the military can the exactitude be demanded & access to equipment & the obedience required be operational.should Ebola be more than an extreme isolated event.

Ps I can justify this to Prof should posters think I am doing a Forrest Gump.

    I have good sources ( trained by the USA military at Fort Dendrik)

    “Fort Dendrik”?

    Run, Forrest, RUN!

      BannedbytheGuardian in reply to Amy in FL. | October 12, 2014 at 11:33 pm

      I am not American & don’t know the spelling of every us base. In this case I did not ask exactly where he/she was – I think the training included other venues/ bases. I misheard that one.

      The point is Ebola is core curriculum in chemical & biological warfare at the above Fort. From what I gleaned they were not optimistic in a mass putbreak situation. as far as I know (2013).

      Should you Amy be qualified to undergo such training you could educate us more .

    Doug Wright Old Grouchy in reply to BannedbytheGuardian. | October 12, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    Ah, but are those chocolates truly that tasty?

    Yet, I would agree that Fort Detrick might have different safety protocols than would a civilian agency; that does not mean, necessarily, better or stricter protocols, just different.

    Still, with the avowed purpose of our troops going over to West Africa, will they receive the degree of support, and backup, that any USA military deployment should have? That, good sire, is the question, especially given the Progressive proclivities of our President Obama, as he has demonstrated with Benghazi, Iraq, and possibly too in Afghanistan.

      BannedbytheGuardian in reply to Doug Wright Old Grouchy. | October 12, 2014 at 11:39 pm

      Doug – I am not American but I fear for them . A stroke of luck my friend left the military just prior to ISIS & Ebola otherwise they would definitely gave gotten one of those plumb assignmentS .

        Doug Wright Old Grouchy in reply to BannedbytheGuardian. | October 13, 2014 at 12:57 am

        Well, I am a Yank and also very much fear that our Most Progressive Socialist President Obama will leave our troops hanging out to dry if that Ebola Mission comes a cropper. Also, for that same reason I fear that Obama will put some smallish number of troops on the ground in Iraq / Syria and not provide the necessary numbers and logistics to support those troops. Obama is sending mixed signals about our Afghanistan mission and that could well end up like Iraq is looking now.

        Plus as to your point regarding Ebola itself, review what is known now about the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic, especially now fast it spread and the extent of its reach on populations in Europe and here. That could look like a mere picnic if Ebola is mishandled.

        Lastly, some of your Brit friends might become involved in both the Ebola campaign and Iraq / Syria; fear for them too.

BannedbytheGuardian | October 12, 2014 at 5:03 pm

My suggestion is this – that in the event of a US patient that the civilian doctors be pushed out & replaced by a military trained one .- even if they not had specific training they can take orders & give them .& fill the gap. There should be none of this caring/ sharing stuff . The patient can expect to do as best they can without the personal attention that is modern patient care .

Survival of the patient who does best with least. Poke their food through a hole sort of care . They cannot expect to have personnel risk their own livs.

The dog gets to live! Oh, Dear Leader is most merciful! Obolu Akbar!

The problems with things like Ebola is that they grow exponentially. Even if Ebola grows slowly to start with, unfortunately, we ain’t seen nuttin yet. Just wait until flu and norovirus season hits to see what a completely paralyzed nation that battens down the barricades REALLY looks like as millions have symptoms that are much like how Ebola starts off!

The trenches of our medical system are woefully unprepared for something like this. And thank you, President Obola for your “fundamental transformation” when flu season hits!

Oh, and PLEASE let’s keep those West African shuttles flying back and forth, since obviously it would do no good anyway with your open borders policy. Oh, and everyone? Be sure to vote a straight Democrat ticket in November: they really DO care about you folks, ya’ll hear? After all:

“Now, I am not on the ballot this fall,” Obama stressed. “… But make no mistake: My policies are on the ballot — every single one of them.” (Including unrestricted West African air flights.)

King Barack Hussein Obama, October 2, 2014, Northwestern University

Sadly, the CDC has been going slowly down the toilet since Tom Frieden arrived in 2009 – Frieden is a narrow-minded control freak who likes to fire people for very little reason; as a result, morale is low.

A major sign of the health of an organization is whether or not people are willing to tell the director bad news; we know from the recent lab fiascoes that people at CDC are afraid to tell Frieden anything. The fact that he’s blaming a 25-year-old nurse who, it seems, was apparently given goggles, a face mask, and a brochure for her PPE training and who had no one to help her take her equipment off is just unbelievable.

It’s also unclear if there even was a protocol breach; the CDC protocol might have been insufficient. They should make Frieden take care of the nurse using exactly the same protocol he’s still insisting was safe.

Frieden is a mean-spirited dictatorial jerk who has done much to damage what was once a functioning federal agency. Hopefully he will be forced to resign over the incredibly botched job CDC has done on Ebola so far.

Ebola Help! You, Your Family and Co-Workers are at Unnecessary Risk! Here’s What You Can Do – Listen to Judge Jeanine Pirro!

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Help Do Something – Sign the Petition Now! And Spread the Word Not The Virus!

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/have-faa-ban-all-incoming-and-outgoing-flights-ebola-stricken-countries-until-ebola-outbreak/FFJHH9yX

The 1918 Flu Virus Pandemic infected over 500 million people across the world, including the USA, remote Pacific islands and the Arctic, and killed 50 to 100 million of them, that’s a 10 to 20 percent death rate.

A large factor in the worldwide occurrence of this flu was increased travel. Modern transportation systems made it easier for soldiers, sailors, and civilian travelers to spread the disease.

Now we have Jumbo Jets and the Ebola Virus….. With a 70 to 90 percent death rate!

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