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Reports: Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson was beaten by Michael Brown

Reports: Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson was beaten by Michael Brown

How would this evidence have changed public perception had it come out before the riots?

Fox News is reporting that police officer Darren Wilson was severely beaten by Michael Brown during the confrontation that ended with Brown’s death:

Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department’s top brass told FoxNews.com.

“The Assistant (Police) Chief took him to the hospital, his face all swollen on one side,” said the insider. “He was beaten very severely.”…

The source also said the dashboard and body cameras, which might have recorded crucial evidence, had been ordered by Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson, but had only recently arrived and had not yet been deployed.

Too bad about those cameras; what poor timing.

The article also says that St. Louis County police, now in charge of the investigation, have refused to confirm or deny the story. They say they will present all the evidence to a grand jury when the time comes.

Further indicating the story may be true is the fact that even the liberal NY Times reported today that Wilson was injured during the altercation. Allahpundit notes at Hot Air that, although the Times buried the news in the 21st paragraph of its article, it was the first report in a major paper that Wilson was injured at the hands of Brown. Now Fox News has climbed aboard, with more details.

In addition, yesterday blogger Jim Hoft had reported at Gateway Pundit that police sources had informed him that Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket” as a result of his encounter with Brown.

Add to that the fact that a week ago Police Chief Thomas Jackson said at a news conference that the then-unidentified officer had been “treated at a hospital for swelling on the side of his face.” For some reason this news didn’t seem to get much traction; perhaps because it sounded like a more minor injury than an orbital blowout fracture.

The evidence mounts that Officer Wilson sustained very serious injuries during his confrontation with Brown, and that this could have justified his use of deadly force, in addition to answering those critics who wondered why six shots might have been necessary to bring Brown down.

[Neo-neocon is a writer with degrees in law and family therapy, who blogs at neo-neocon.]

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Just as a hypothetical thought experiment, let’s fast forward a few weeks and say the physical evidence does end up showing (as several independent sources are now indicating) that Officer Wilson suffered a physical beating near/in his vehicle including an orbital blowout fracture seconds before shooting Brown.

Let’s go one step farther and say hypothetically that the physical evidence (gunshot residue relative concentrations on Brown’s clothing, for example) ends up showing that the six shots were fired from significantly varying distances to Brown, with the final head shot being the closest.

We already know from the family’s own autopsy report that all bullet entry wounds were from the front, and I think it’s reasonable to assume that if the officer were advancing on Brown while firing that Brown wouldn’t have been stationary while taking six bullets, so I believe (within the context of this thought experiment) that these two bits of evidence would show conclusively that Brown must have been advancing on the officer even as he was being shot at and hit repeatedly, this being of course again after he had just severely attacked the officer. (Any flaws in my logic here?)

*Within the context of this hypothetical scenario*, do you suppose that Holder, Obama, Al, Jesse, the swarm of MSM Grievance Pundits, Brown’s parents, and the overall community in Ferguson would still insist that unnecessary force was used and/or that the use of deadly force (on the part of the officer) was racially motivated?

    steveo1 in reply to chilly. | August 20, 2014 at 10:31 pm

    If it is true about the orbital bone and the attack on the face, this cop would have the biggest black eye in the world right now. Get his photo out to every news source. I was a wrestler, I had stuff like this happen to me and the bruises happen fast and are real ugly. Because they don’t have the photos out, I don’t believe it.

      Gremlin1974 in reply to steveo1. | August 20, 2014 at 10:57 pm

      Uhh, once again you are wrong about the bruising and it is doubtful you ever got an orbital floor fracture from wrestling. Since I am the Nurse for my schools wrestling team I think I know what I am talking about.

      Once again bruising is a possible symptom, even a common one, but it is by no means a given. Also, bruising from fractures that are not near skin surfaces does not appear quickly.

      But, hey keep trying to imply that its just a lie, someone here might support you…but I doubt it.

        steveo1 in reply to Gremlin1974. | August 20, 2014 at 11:16 pm

        ok, let’s see the photos and the xrays, then. no reason to hold them back.

          Estragon in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 12:11 am

          How many criminal investigations release every scratch of evidence as it goes along?

          None.

          I’m sure the prosecutor is upset you don’t like that, though. Maybe if you write him a sternly worded email . . .

          Paul in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 9:47 am

          One reason to hold evidence back is that you don’t want to taint the jury pool… you know, it’s part of a functioning JUSTICE SYSTEM.

          Now run off and getcha some skittles and iced tea.

          steveo1 in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 3:38 pm

          Not saying I told you so, or that anyone was lying but CNN reporting that the xrays were negative and there was no injury to the orbital eye bone. They’d be out with the photos if he really did have an injury.

      Phillep Harding in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 12:10 pm

      Personal experience? My bruises have always been slow to form.

      It might have to do with all the supplements I take.

      If you are/were slow to metabolize some nutrients, you might bruise very quickly. The food supplement industry is full of quacks, so good luck figuring out what’s going on.

      Henry Hawkins in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 1:50 pm

      An eye orbit blow out is an internal injury, you know, like a ruptured spleen? A bruise is basically an internal ‘scab’ over burst blood vessels. If you see no bruising right after an injury, it’s because the burst vessels haven’t stopped bleeding yet.

      If med science does not support your preheld beliefs, by all means, ignore it. It’s the only way. It gets easier over time.

    tom swift in reply to chilly. | August 20, 2014 at 10:53 pm

    Let’s go one step farther and say hypothetically that the physical evidence (gunshot residue relative concentrations on Brown’s clothing, for example) ends up showing that the six shots were fired from significantly varying distances to Brown, with the final head shot being the closest.

    … these two bits of evidence would show conclusively that Brown must have been advancing on the officer even as he was being shot at and hit repeatedly

    It would show only that shooter and victim were converging. It wouldn’t indicate who was mobile and who was not. Which is more likely to be moving – the guy who already had a few bullets in him, or the other one?

    And of course there’s no “evidence” here at all – there’s a story, one so weak they don’t even care to make it official.

    Speculation on such points can’t possibly establish anything “conclusively”.

      steveo1 in reply to tom swift. | August 20, 2014 at 11:10 pm

      something that really smells, is what happened before the struggle at the window of the SUV. The two teens are walking up the street, the leo tells them to get to the sidewalk, but they don’t immediately move there. Why is this leo driving up close encough to these two to have a confrontation? One of them looks like Mongo and the other one who knows. Does he know if they are armed? Why not turn on your emergency lights and talk to them over the speaker, tell them to get on the sidewalk, sit down and wait for some help.

      Reminds me of Rooster Cogburn. “Tell me Marshall, how many of the Wedder family have you killed?” “Well, um, immediate family?”

        Radegunda in reply to steveo1. | August 20, 2014 at 11:43 pm

        What really smells is your effort to second-guess the officer and keep arguing that he MUST have done everything wrong.

        Because it *SHOULD* have been unnecessary to do any of those things.

        Simply telling the punks, from a uniformed officer, in a marked police vehicle, rolling down his window, after driving down the street and having to come to a stop because two punks are walking down the middle of the street, should have been more than sufficient for them to move off the street.

        Anything less than immediate compliance is an INVITATION for trouble from the police for public drunkenness, disturbing the peace or arrest until adjudication under the Missouri traffic code 300.390 that pedestrians must yield to vehicles when not in a marked cross-walk, or under 300.405 that pedestrians are prohibited from walking on the street where sidewalks are present.

          steveo1 in reply to Chuck Skinner. | August 21, 2014 at 3:43 pm

          We had the same issue in my HOA. People complaining about the “punks” walking down the street after school, one was my white son. I remarked as soon as you start arresting the seniors who are walking in the street in the am and when I pull out of my driveway and almost run them over because they refuse to walk on the sidewalk, we’ll deal with the “punks”. Did the Sheriff do anything about the seniors walking in the am, of course not.

        sequester in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 8:18 am

        There are a host of reasons why the Officer would have gone back to these young men after they refused to comply with his lawful order. He may have wanted to cite them for a traffic violation. He also may have suspected some other kind of tomfoolery was afoot. Perhaps he saw the cigars and wondered if they were robbery suspects.

        The Officer was well within his rights to conduct an investigative stop at that point.

        What is unusual is the failure of the young men to comply with the Officer on such a minor matter and then engage in physical violence with the Officer.

          JackRussellTerrierist in reply to sequester. | August 21, 2014 at 3:32 pm

          I would have wondered why that many cigars weren’t in a bag. If they’d been paid for, they’d most likely have been in a bag such that I wouldn’t even know what was in the bag.

          If that makes sense.

        JohnC in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 8:31 am

        Maybe being high young punks with handfuls of stolen cigars they had the impulse to tell the officer to feel free to impregnate himself at his earliest convenience?

        Phillep Harding in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 12:13 pm

        How wide was the street? How many lanes? Were they in the exact center? Was there room for cars to go around without swinging into parked cars (if there were any), or driving up on the sidewalk?

          JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Phillep Harding. | August 21, 2014 at 3:42 pm

          What does it matter? Either they were jaywalking or they were just walking in the road being obnoxious, not an atypical activity for thugs like Brown. There are certain people, mainly ghetto types, who like to draw attention to themselves and proclaim through attitude, stance and subtle behaviors that “they be bad” so they’ll inconvenience anyone they damn well please.

          They were in a place and moving in such a way that a cop who works with the citizenry and traffic day-in and day-out knew it was his duty to tell these two morons to get the hell out of the street and up onto the sidewalk.

    Exiliado in reply to chilly. | August 21, 2014 at 6:46 am

    … do you suppose that Holder, Obama, Al, Jesse, the swarm of MSM Grievance Pundits, Brown’s parents, and the overall community in Ferguson would still insist that unnecessary force was used and/or that the use of deadly force (on the part of the officer) was racially motivated?

    To that crowd that you mentioned, there are only two relevant facts:
    1- The deceased was black.
    2- The shooter was white.

    Everything else is irrelevant, unimportant, dismissed…

      18 BRAVO in reply to Exiliado. | August 21, 2014 at 5:00 pm

      Yep…This group of “Race Baiters” have nothing better to do than stir up trouble. I found it interesting that when Rev. Jackson began his plea for donations…He was summarily “BOOED” and that, my friends shows how little these goons matter anymore.
      Rev’s Sharpton and Jackson might as well buy a couple of rocking chairs at the nearest Cracker Barrel and set them on a front porch somewhere…then whenever anyone stops by they can say…”Remember when I mattered?”

      JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Exiliado. | August 21, 2014 at 5:35 pm

      And that, in itself, is the problem.

      They should be ignored to the greatest extent possible, and jailed when appropriate.

    JohnC in reply to chilly. | August 21, 2014 at 8:27 am

    *Within the context of this hypothetical scenario*, do you suppose that Holder, Obama, Al, Jesse, the swarm of MSM Grievance Pundits, Brown’s parents, and the overall community in Ferguson would still insist that unnecessary force was used and/or that the use of deadly force (on the part of the officer) was racially motivated?

    Yes, they will.
    Now that Holder has injected himself personally into the situation Darren Wilson is a condemned man. Either Wilson will be burned at the stake or the city of Ferguson will go up in flames. The gears are turning.
    Some might say, “But if the facts lead to Wilson’s innocence…”
    My response is, “They. Don’t. Care.”

    Char Char Binks in reply to chilly. | August 21, 2014 at 11:09 am

    They’ve already committed to the narrative 100%. How do you walk back burning down a quickie mart? Oopsies?

      JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Char Char Binks. | August 21, 2014 at 5:40 pm

      Basically, yes. Oopsies.

      No, really, the excuse then becomes that the store owner was overcharging the black man for goods so he deserved it anyway.

It just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.

The earlier reports I read suggested the initial struggle was inside the police cruiser, but I find it hard to believe anyone could generate enough hand speed to land a blow powerful enough to break a face while struggling hand-to-hand inside a car. To me this suggests the assault either started or spilled outside the vehicle in addition to whatever happened inside (which apparently resulted in a weapon discharge).

“Big Mike”, “Gentle-Giant” indeed.

    Valerie in reply to Paul. | August 20, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    Smash his face against a door frame or steering wheel?

      tom swift in reply to Valerie. | August 20, 2014 at 10:28 pm

      Smash his face against a door frame or steering wheel?

      Maybe.

      Too bad that’s not the story they’re telling.

      All that we can really see that they’re doing is tossing a few tidbits out, perhaps hoping that the public will put together a plausible story for them. And the tidbits are all deniable later, in case they don’t fly.

      This is a very odd way to construct a self defense scenario.

      This whole thing still smells, quite aside from the odor introduced by the usual race-baiters.

    Beauregard Jackson Pickett Burnside in reply to Paul. | August 20, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    Two things:

    1.) This was a pretty good-sized SUV, a Tahoe, I think. So there’s a considerably more room than in, say, a Crown Vic or one of the newer Impalas.

    2.) It seems possible that part of the “pushing” into the cruiser was a pretty mean right hook, a stunning blow that would allow Brown enough of an opportunity to go after Wilson’s sidearm.

      I believe the trial attorney’s saying that if you lie about one thing, you can possibly lie about everything. If this unconfirmed story about the injuries to the leo’s face is true, we should have photos… right after the event, at the hospital and days after for the media. Leos always take photos of domestic violence victims. Every leo I’ve ever seen on cops and other shows have a digital camera in the car and now they have their own smartphones. Don’t tell me they don’t have photos of that cop. The photos would do wonders to calm the crowd down. That’s why I don’t believe this story.

        Spiny Norman in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 12:30 am

        Photos of George Zimmerman that were clear enough to show he’d sustained actual injuries didn’t come to light immediately. Do you believe those were fake?

          steveo1 in reply to Spiny Norman. | August 21, 2014 at 3:47 pm

          those photos should have come out immediately by George himself. When I saw those photos, I said, he must have been attacked, but when I only heard the 911 tape, I though maybe he was the guy who started it. I still think that both of these victims and shooters could have achieved more for society by holding cameras and negotiating rather than shooting guns.

          jlronning in reply to Spiny Norman. | August 22, 2014 at 8:22 am

          It was worse than that – they released the photo of Zimmerman’s injured face after making it black and white which obscured said injuries – only much later did we get the original, color picture which clearly showed the blood etc.

        Alternatively those same photos might gin-up the crowd more. With the low-information-crowd involved here, look at how quickly the misinformation spread about how Brown was shot: first it was “in the back,” then it was “he had surrendered,” then it was “he had surrendered AFTER being shot several times and the officer kept shooting.”

        The Main Stream Morons are STILL trying to spin the “unarmed teenager” angle into every single story written, and trying desperately to avoid mentioning Browns height and weight.

        All sorts of crazy hypotheses could arise. However, if the Ferguson PD keeps the pictures close to the vest, if they get an ACTUAL eye-witness, they can corroborate that eye-witness against the injuries sustained by Wilson later on (the particulars of the landed blow).

        There is already corroboration that Brown had his hand on Wilson’s sidearm the first time it discharged (there was a noted wound on Brown’s hand where it appears the slide caught his hand as it chambered the next round after discharge). It would make sense for that to have occurred immediately after Brown would have cold-cocked Wilson.

          JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Chuck Skinner. | August 21, 2014 at 3:50 pm

          Chuck, that’s an insult to the low-information crowd.

          You should become aware that there are two even more socially egregious tiers below “low-information.” Those are, first, the “no-information” parasites people. At the very bottom are the “wrong-information” parasites people.

        sequester in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 8:22 am

        Police investigate crimes. They are not in the business of releasing evidence to the public that relates to an ongoing investigation.

        What you believe and what is true may be two different things.

    Sanddog in reply to Paul. | August 20, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    I had read earlier he was driving a truck.

    Phillep Harding in reply to Paul. | August 20, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    Or an elbow strike.

    steveo1 in reply to Paul. | August 20, 2014 at 10:34 pm

    plus the cops walking around the body, right after the shooting, if he was injured, you’d think he’d be going to the EMS, he didn’t look injured in those photos. People with those types of face injuries, put their hands up to the spot of the injury because it feels like something is missing.

      Radegunda in reply to steveo1. | August 20, 2014 at 11:47 pm

      So you’re certain that he never once put his hand up there to see if something was missing? Or was he supposed to keep his hand glued there?

      You’re really reaching.

      Estragon in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 12:16 am

      You see the cop well enough to ID him?

      LIAR.

      The cop who did the shooting would have immediately surrendered his weapon to the case officer on scene, and would never been allowed to walk around the deceased.

      You can’t help being stupid, but you could just STFU.

      Beauregard Jackson Pickett Burnside in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 1:37 am

      I’ve looked at some of the fairly grainy (at a distance) video, and I’m not seeing Wilson in any of that video, at least not that I can immediately recognize.

      Just because other cops were walking around the scene doesn’t mean that Wilson was.

      amwick in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 8:19 am

      After what he had just been through he could have had two broken legs and not realized the severity of his injuries. Shock? Seems like that might have happened.

      Henry Hawkins in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 2:02 pm

      Coming off the adrenaline rush is what the officer was dealing with immediately after, that and making sure he was following all post-shoot protocols per his training.

      I got shot once in the ass once (accident) and years later, once in the elbow (no accident). For the shooter or the target, those minutes immediately afterward are awful, whether it was a hunting accident or a life/death thing. when it’s over you are situationally stunned (a minute earlier the officer was on routine patrol, just another day at work), you’re injured, pumped full of adrenaline, heart and mind racing, your knees and hands begin to shake as part of the body’s chemical ‘stand-down’ process, and much more.

      You cannot measure the behaviors of anyone after a shooting like this using the same expectations you have of non-traumatized persons who haven’t just survived an interaction like this. And you damn sure can’t use what you think you’d do in a similar situation. If it were you, you’d be sitting in the middle of the street in a puddle of your own urine.

    Gremlin1974 in reply to Paul. | August 20, 2014 at 11:00 pm

    Actually think about it for a moment, if you are bracing someone into the drivers seat of a car, the person on the outside would have much more free range of motion, especially with his right arm, he would have plenty of room to draw back and punch and even put his weight behind it.

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Paul. | August 21, 2014 at 1:21 am

    Mike Brown is a cape buffalo. It would only take one well-placed blow with his weight behind it to kill a man.

    Brown had already proven himself to be a menace to society. Look at the way he manhandled the diminutive clerk at the convenience store. Only a true bully would take advantage of such grossly disparate size and strength to steal cigars. Grab and run is one thing, but someone his size abusing that clerk who was half his size just for cigars is a truly malicious, vicious animal.

    Brown was a savage. It’s clear from the two incidents that he used his size and strength to thug people around. Whether he intended to kill Wilson or just batter him with reckless abandon and disregard matters not. It’s good that Brown is taking the eternal dirt nap before he killed somebody or procreated.

I think that the fact the Officer was injured was deliberately overlooked.

This is very similar to the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case where there was a denial about the severity of the injuries sustained by George Zimmerman.

The good news is that the fact that there is such a severe injury is gaining some traction and this will help some to chill out by recognizing that Brown did not wear a halo when he was shot and killed.

    steveo1 in reply to Aussie. | August 20, 2014 at 11:00 pm

    officer… if this orbital bone fracture is true.. you’d have the biggest ugliest shiner in the world right now… get the photo up on facebook so everybody can see. calm the crowd down. Don’t do what what you say “guilty” people do, don’t remain silent… tell everybody… show the injury.

      It’s not just the “guilty” who should remain silent. The INNOCENT should remain silent as well, lest some MORON (I’m looking at YOU, Governor Nixon) should come out and say “a vigorous prosecution must now be pursued” against you.

      Gov. Nixon was hoping to quickly turn this to his advantage in November and get the black vote behind him for “putting it to the cops.” Unfortunately for him, the REST of us were actually paying attention, and now he’s got egg on his face by calling for a “prosecution” before we know if there is even so much as to charge with a crime to begin with.

        JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Chuck Skinner. | August 21, 2014 at 2:07 am

        Nixon isn’t running for anything in November. He was re elected governor in 2012 and will be term-limited out of office in 2016. My understanding is that he had his eye on veep for 2016, especially if Hitlery got the nomination. I think he can safely kiss that idea buh-bye.

        Ragspierre in reply to Chuck Skinner. | August 21, 2014 at 9:14 am

        Chuck, I was trying to recall a time in memory when a governor did something that prejudicial to the due process rights of a citizen. Can’t come up with one.

        LEOs all around Missouri are taking note, as are their families, of the support they are getting from this pandering idiot.

        We live in amazing times… I can feel the healing from my front porch…

          objection in reply to Ragspierre. | August 21, 2014 at 9:21 am

          Last thing in remember was from another Nixon. President Nixon commented on the Manson family before trial. The headlines were along the lines of Manson Guilty Nixon Proclaims .

          Deodorant in reply to Ragspierre. | August 21, 2014 at 9:30 am

          Ever heard of Ross Barnett? He did all kinds of things that were prejudicial to the rights of citizens. That is unless you don’t think certain people are citizens and until to their rights.

          JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Ragspierre. | August 21, 2014 at 2:06 pm

          “….. this pandering idiot.”

          Not the least of which was putting highway patrol captain Ronald Johnson in charge of the riot and crowd control by taking command away from St. Louis Co..

          Speaking of Ronald Johnson, he will ever have the respect of any officers he supervises unless they’re all black. Henceforth, he better get used to total lack of respect and cooperation from all non-black officers. I hope they do all they can to undermine him and make him look as bad as possible whenever the opportunity presents itself. Outright hostility would be good.

          JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Ragspierre. | August 21, 2014 at 4:13 pm

          I’m from CA, and even I can’t think of one there, not even Jerry Brown or Gray Davis. I can’t think of any governor from any state, libtard or otherwise, any time, ever bastardizing engaging the process the way Nixon has. A cursory google search turned up nothing.

      Beauregard Jackson Pickett Burnside in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 1:35 am

      FWIW, I’m pretty sure that I read somewhere earlier today that someone would be presenting on Wilson’s behalf at the grand jury (but apparently not Wilson himself). It’s possible that someone WILL be presenting pictures and/or medical records showing Wilson’s face bashed in.

      counsel in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 9:29 am

      Stevo1 — The police officer, as does ever citizen, has the right to remain silent, and the right to have the advice of counsel.

      In this lynch mob atmosphere, silent is what he should be. If he needs to speak it should only be in front of truly impartial jurors.

      That’s how we try to do it in the United States.

      stevewhitemd in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 12:00 pm

      steveo1, you keep asking for one thing, a photo of the officer. By now it’s been explained to you that those photos are being held as part of the investigation.

      Your continued bleating about the photo here at LI isn’t going to change things one iota. Truly.

      One thing for you to understand: LI commenters are a varied group. Some are lawyers, some are police, some are ex-military, etc. They have considerable experience and they’ll comment based on that.

      So when you repeatedly ask for stuff that isn’t going to happen, you should expect to be educated. Repeatedly.

      Now then: are you capable of learning?

      No photos of the officer until the grand jury meets. Move on to a different talking point please.

      BannedbytheGuardian in reply to steveo1. | August 21, 2014 at 6:16 pm

      Facebook?

      Officer Wilson has a right to privacy . His photos / medical notes will be made available to the correct authority at the correct time. Catscans & MRIs will detect any fractures months after the event .

      Your demands are stupid. It is not what you want . What is this ‘I want I demand’ ?

VetHusbandFather | August 20, 2014 at 8:41 pm

I was reluctant to jump in to and defend the police officer in this case because I wanted to see what kind of physical evidence started turning up. The “eye witness accounts” certainly smelled like BS, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the police officer’s account was true either. By that I mean I would never believe a police officer would “execute” an unnamed teen in the street, but maybe he could have unnecessarily escalated force. Now as more physical evidence comes out, it really is pointing towards a justifiable use of force. Hope to see a fair analysis of the facts instead of a railroading to save face fir Holder, Sharpton and co.

    Phillep Harding in reply to VetHusbandFather. | August 20, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    I can believe a police officer could pull such an execution, but would require proof that he had done so.

    Halos are not issued with that badge.

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to VetHusbandFather. | August 21, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    This isn’t really a reply to your remarks but more just a thought your comments led me to. I doubt that either Brown or his parent(s) ever considered that Brown’s size could actually bring him more trouble than if he was more average in size. I’m sure they saw his size and ability to use it to intimidate others and push them around easily as a good thing, an advantage.

    It probably never occurred to them that the average citizen would be more likely to shoot him than take him on, given his size and attitude. I don’t think they considered that the larger the threat, the greater the response, nor that his sheer size would cause a cop to shoot him if he attacked first, which he had a demonstrated proclivity for doing.

“The article also says that St. Louis County police, now in charge of the investigation, have refused to confirm or deny the story. They say they will present all the evidence to a grand jury when the time comes.”

Yeeeup. That due process PROCESSING in its own good time.

We still don’t know everything we think we know, and there could be reversals in storiessssss along the way.

Our young LEO does, at least, NOT appear to be a cold-blooded killer, and it does appear he’s safe out of state. For both those things, I’m grateful.

“For some reason this news didn’t seem to get much traction”

I am certain that the primary reason was that the news establishment was not interested in the officer’s injuries and wanted to push the America-is-racist line:
If it had been a black person harmed by a white person, they would have been speculating about the severity of the injuries and demanding to know more.
Since it was a white person harmed by a black person they didn’t really care. Since it was a white police officer they cared even less.
For them, everything is about advancing a radical left agenda, even if it means telling lies and fomenting violence. The blood of every innocent person harmed because of this uproar is on their hands. The financial losses of every looted and burned store is on their hands. These news people have chosen to make themselves enemies of civil society.

The left will move the goalposts on this. They’ll claim that even if he did punch the officer in the face hard enough to fracture his eye socket and tried to take his firearm, that’s still not a good enough reason to shoot Mr Thug. I’d like them to explain to me how much of a beating a cop or ordinary person is supposed to take before they’re allowed to defend themselves with a firearm but I suspect their answer is that we’re supposed to lay down and die.

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Sanddog. | August 21, 2014 at 1:38 am

    That’s right. Blacks are running the country now and they will tell us when it’s okay to shoot one of them, which will be never, under any circumstances.

    Whitey is the new victim, just as we see in South Africa, and we’d better shut up and take it unless we want to wind our asses up in jail, by gawd.

    So shut up, keep working, keep supporting these people with your taxe$, keep selling your property to get away from them, and keep your powder dry. Some are waiting to hear y’all say enough is enough.

    Exiliado in reply to Sanddog. | August 21, 2014 at 6:54 am

    I’d like them to explain to me how much of a beating a cop or ordinary person is supposed to take …

    The same amount Zimmerman was supposed to take: as much as the thug wants.
    You have to lay there, take your beating like a man, die if necessary. You just can’t harm their innocent 300 pound babies.
    Understand?

Karen Sacandy | August 20, 2014 at 9:28 pm

Hearing on and on about “Michael Brown” is infuriating. We had a 17 year-old boy killed in Euharlee, Bartow County, Georgia, on Valentine’s Day, 2014 by a cop. The boy was at home when cops knocked on the door. He asked who it was, they didn’t answer, he opened the door and the female cop, Beth Gatny, shot him at close range in the chest and killed him.

She claimed she thought he had a gun, and opened fire as he opened the door. He died there in his family’s mobile home, with a couple of his siblings watching.

She was not indicted. She should have been. She had no business being a deputy if she’s that trigger happy.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/breaking-news/no-charges-for-euharlee-officer-who-shot-killed-te/nghKb/

And no charges. What utter garbage. Just a good kid, at home, answering the door. I don’t give a damn about Michael Brown. He appears to have been trying to cause trouble with the policeman. Christopher Roupe was just answering the door at home. No riots for him…. Just a cold hard slab.

    Thank you for publicizing this. It’s an outrage. A kid answering knock on the door while holding video game controller is shot and killed by an incompetent female cop. Who is still working for the police force.

    tom swift in reply to Karen Sacandy. | August 20, 2014 at 10:42 pm

    SWAT team in my town went to a house about a quarter mile from mine to arrest some kid on one of the usual drug charges; kid wasn’t home but they ended up shooting and killing a black fellow who had recently retired. To someone my age shooting the old guys seems even more out of line than shooting the younger ones.

    To be fair, I suppose, the police did at least offer a story for this one; an officer “tripped”.

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Karen Sacandy. | August 21, 2014 at 2:16 am

    Hush, Karen. You’re supposed to be a quiet little white-guilted libtard gulag mouse who doesn’t complain. After all, it was just a little white boy, and trailer trash to boot-not the son of a Hollywood millionaire or a ‘rat pol or a boy that looked like an obamason. And, for pete’s sake, he was shot and killed by a female officer. You know, don’t you, that bad decisions can ONLY be made by white male officers?

    You knew that, right? Right?

    Besides all that, what does it matter NOW?

    /sarc

Karen Sacandy | August 20, 2014 at 9:31 pm

And of course, Christopher Roupe had the misfortune of being white. So his being killed by a white female trigger happy cop is no big thing.

His picture is here: http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/grand-jury-officers-use-deadly-force-against-teen-/nff2M/

    stevewhitemd in reply to Karen Sacandy. | August 21, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    Karen, hold the outrage for a moment. The AJC link you provide shows that the grand jury indeed found that Ms. Gatny’s shooting of the young man was “not authorized”. The district attorney’s office took the case to the grand jury and is now re-examining the case for criminal intent.

    They might yet sweep this under the rug, but right now it looks like careful consideration and due process to me.

    That police officer, per the AJC article, appears to have had a troubled career…

The race mongers theme has been narrowed by the evidence to “Wilson was firing on a fleeing man”, though apparently not hitting him.

It seems the Crump Witness Factory has spread this meme throughout the “witness” pool.

I think it will have to be refuted with more credible counter witnesses and by demonstrating that many of the Crump chumps didn’t actually see anything at all and, at best, are conflating aural perception, ie, the shot at the police truck, with firing at Brown fleeing just after, when Wison’s gun was drawn and raised.

It would be interesting to know how much variation there is among these ‘witnesses’ as to the supposed number of shots fired at the fleeing Brown.

As far as I know, Wilson denies firing at a fleeing Brown, correct?

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to bildung. | August 21, 2014 at 2:25 am

    We haven’t seen a written statement from Wilson, but since the cape buffalo took approximately six rounds to the front of his considerable girth and none posteriorly, logic tends to dictate that Wilson’s statement, with regard to Brown’s direction of movement, will be that Brown was not fleeing (and may state that Brown was advancing on him) and did not have his back to Wilson when Wilson was firing.

      And why would Wilson miss all these shots at the back only to recover his accuracy when Barack Jr turned around?

        Henry Hawkins in reply to bildung. | August 21, 2014 at 2:07 pm

        1) He may have been seeing double, especially if it was his dominant eye that Brown smacked. Dizziness, concussion, double-vision, and/or loss of dominant eye (aka aiming eye) are all possible.

        2) Brown was mving towards the officer, getting closer, bigger visually.

        JackRussellTerrierist in reply to bildung. | August 21, 2014 at 2:22 pm

        I guess the increasing swelling and pain improved his vision and accuracy.

        Phillep Harding in reply to bildung. | August 22, 2014 at 4:10 pm

        My guess? The cop was still shooting for center of mass. He shot in the head was a miss.

I looked to see if the ACLU was involved in the all the ‘anti-police’ noise. Yep, they’re there I suspect they are the force behind all the bias against the local enforcement. I wouldn’t be surprised if ithey asked Holder to come to Ferguson and make this a ‘civil rights crisis’. The ACLU has big money support – the same money that supports the liberal Dems in Washington.

Meanwhile in Chicago – one week after Ferguson – 7 people were killed and 29 were injured in shootings and on Aug.20, police shot and killed a 21 kid on a bike who pointed a gun at them.

Why aren’t there protests in Chicago? Why aren’t those communities crying for help against the destructive individuals? What do they think they’ll gain by blaming the whites?

It begins to smell like influential politics. All this ’emotional focus’ will bring more sympathy for the left.

    stevewhitemd in reply to Barbara. | August 21, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    Um no, the ACLU isn’t the guiding force behind the protests. That force belongs to a) the Black Panthers and b) ANSWER.

    The ACLU isn’t one of my favorite organizations but they sometimes do good work. I won’t attack them unless it’s clearly shown that they’re involved.

    The Panthers and ANSWER thugs, on the other hand…

DINORightMarie | August 20, 2014 at 11:18 pm

How horrible for all; the officer and his family – tried and convicted in the public press, pushing the mob to a murderous frenzy to be executioner, if they could find him; the Ferguson townspeople, who are angry and just want justice and the rule of law to apply to all fairly; and the families of all who have loved ones who were hurt or killed, lost their businesses due to the hate, and more. A true war zone.

Perhaps the saddest part of this, in the end, is that the truth is the silent victim. The press doesn’t care about the truth. What happens if the truth doesn’t fit their myth, their “narrative?” When the truth is revealed, in a court of law, there will be many people who will deny it, calling it unfair, injustice, etc., expecially if it show that Officer Wilson is found to have been justified in his actions. Just as Zimmerman in the Trayvon case is still unable to live a normal life, to return to normalcy, Wilson will suffer the same fate, I believe. Zimmerman is still considered by too many a cold-blooded “white Hispanic” murderer of a “child” who (as we keep hearing endlessly) “only” went out for some “iced tea” and “some candy.” Officer Wilson’s life, and the lives of all in Ferguson, will never be the same. The media, and the Race Hustlers and Professional Agitators, are responsible for this, IMHO.

The town of Ferguson, MO, the shop owners and victims of the riots and looting, need to sue the media for creating the nightmare, turning the tragic young man’s death after committing a crime into a circus of lies and innuendo – building a mythical “narrative – with malice, IMHO – given that they have inserted themselves into the story and cannot in any way be perceived as “reporters” or “neutral” “journalists.” Michael Brown, from all we know now, seems to be the one who brought this on himself. But the truth won’t be able to stand against the media’s endless 24/7/365 lies.

A manufactured crisis? So it seems, given the Democrats horrible record and November election doldrums. Would that explain why NYC, Chicago, DC, etc. are not protested, are not given all the media attention? All for politics?! To keep the low-information-voters ignorant of crises and horrors in our inner cities, microfocusing on this one young man’s death to gin up unrest – manufactured for politics?!?! What a [email protected] bunch the media are today.

As many have said on social media: I wish the MSM would pay as much attention to the ISIS horrors, the atrocities they and their ilk are committing – murdering dozens daily.

A [email protected] bunch, indeed.

    Note that here, as in all national stories for the last 15 years or so, the media has acted as a press agent for the Democratic Party, its agenda, its base, its officials, and its policies.

    So I’m sure they see this biased coverage as “just doing their job.”

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to DINORightMarie. | August 21, 2014 at 2:35 am

    All the shop owners, all the whites and the non-rioting/looting blacks who see through this scam in that little horror of a town should sell, close up and relocate. Abandon that third-world zhithole to its own devices. There will be nothing to loot. They’ll be lucky to have a McDonald’s as their main food source.

    They’ve started the ‘broken window’ syndrome there. Let them wallow in it. Let them find out what no police is like because there will be no tax base to support a department. Let nobody answer when they call 9-1-1 to complain that McDonald’s ran out of McNuggets and shots were fired.

I don’t want to make too much of appearance, but Officer Wilson really doesn’t have the eyes of someone who would be an overzealous cop or even harbor mean feelings about people. His face says, “I want to help people.”

If it has to go to trial in order for all the facts to come out, then it will. Either way, due to this chance encounter, It’s possible Officer Wilson will have to deal with the same as Zimmerman.

Tsk.

Either way, I’ve become more and more convinced that the Officer is in the clear.

I’m picturing one arm up shielding his face and charging the officer while he’s firing.

This incident is particularly alarming to me because multiple shots were fired on the officers during the protests.

We have people SHOOTING at the police now?

That’s a whole damn new ballgame.

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to TB. | August 21, 2014 at 2:54 am

    There doesn’t need to be a trial to learn all the facts. That’s ridiculous. Extending your reasoning, every case everywhere would require a trial.

    In this case, a trial would be a placating of the fevered black brow in its usual pavlovian response to the stimuli recipe that always works on them.

    The physical evidence tells the story. There’s a bunch of witnesses, many with an agenda, none or few of whom can keep their story straight, the statement of a lying felon, the statement of a decorated officer, a videotape, ballistics, medical injury reports, follow-up medical reports, hospital records, photographic evidence, blood evidence, fingerprint evidence, radio transmission timing records, and enough autopsies to cover the Jonestown Massacre.

    They ought to be able to figure out enough facts from all that to decide if a prosecution is warranted without having a trial to get facts to see if they need to have a trial, if you catch my meaning.

The truth means nothing to the left, nor the street army they have bought and nurtured over these years.

Like millions of John Boehners, we collectively stood by and did little to stop it.

JackRussellTerrierist | August 21, 2014 at 4:35 am

My guess as to what happened: The robbery and assault at the little store occur. Brown and Johnson at first assume when Wilson rolls up on them it’s about the robbery and assault on the clerk. But Wilson just tells them to move out of the street, so Brown and Johnson figure they’re still golden for the moment on the robbery/assault and they have a chance to take Wilson out before he figures out they’re suspects in a robbery/assault that just went down. So Brown rolls his bulk over to Wilson and, just like he did with the little clerk only with a lot more zeal because they now had a lot more to lose than some cigars they could steal elsewhere, he bounces Wilson back into the car and goes for the gun. Wilson prevails on that, THANK GOD, at least to the extent that Brown didn’t get the gun, so Brown bails after punching Wilson with all his might since he was unsuccessful in getting the gun from Wilson. Wilson, still not fully down for the count, gets out and tells the thugs to freeze. This pisses Brown off just like he was pissed at the audacity of the clerk in the store for trying to stop his thuggery, so he turns back toward Wilson when Wilson told them both to freeze (apparently now having heard the radio call about the robbery/assault and description?) and charges Wilson, possibly with the intent to kill him as he’s taunting Wilson about how he’s not going to shoot him. Wilson, already having sustained a major injury and perhaps fearing unconsciousness coming on which would surely end his life in the hands of Brown, shoots defensively at Brown, who is still charging Wilson as shots were not being placed well, probably due to injury-impaired visual acuity, pain and motor control deficiency caused by the head trauma. But Wilson was charging with his head somewhat down, and Wilson saved his own life just in the nick of time by landing one on the top of Brown’s skull.

Seems like the Crump team might be monitoring the threads on Ferguson and doesn’t like anyone mentioning facts and evidence that does not jive with their made-up narrative.

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Uncle Samuel. | August 21, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    I’ve noticed the media becoming eerily quiet now that the information about the extensive injury Brown caused Wilson contemporaneous to Brown being shot to death has surfaced.

    At any rate, they all had their party on the backs of Wilson and the decimated storeowners of zhithole Ferguson, MO, so there’s nothing left to steal or report. Apparently they’re packing it in. Besides, the Great Black Father’s emissary, Eric “My people” Holder, came yesterday and blessed them, so they’re happy little plantation dwellers once again, thinking they gots dem a whitey head on a pike, which may well be the case.

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Uncle Samuel. | August 21, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    Oops…forgot to add that I sort of disagree that Crump and his ilk monitor this site. People with critical thinking skills are so few as to be of no threat to them. They’d be more interested in what the Yahoo! posters have to say.

    A wasted mind is a terrible thing to ignore.

    Phillep Harding in reply to Uncle Samuel. | August 22, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    Such monitoring has happened in the past. The 1994 gun control bill was modified to avoid some of the workarounds discussed in Talk Politics Guns, for example.

My bet is that the more sophisticated toxology report will show that Brown was on crack if PCP

I am wondering IF Mr. rap sheet of racial injustice DOJ’s Eric “I-am-a-black-man-too”-and-also-hold-a-police-grudge Holder will look into the civil rights crimes done by the savages and barbarians to the good people of Ferguson.

Will Holder charge them with civil rights violations – the savages who looted innocent people’s stores, shot cops and called the shooting a “state execution” and doing so based on another person’s race.

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to jennifer a johnson. | August 21, 2014 at 6:18 pm

    The store owners and other victims are screwed. Their insurance won’t pay. Holder would tell them it’s a local, civil matter and take the looters to court. They don’t have good identifications on the looters and vandals, who have no assets or reachable assets anyway.

    This is why places like Detroit and large inner city areas in other metropolitan areas have “food deserts” and no malls. The inventory losses, property damage, insurance and security costs, and lack of a reliable, trustworthy, even marginally educated labor pool prevent the establishment of profitable businesses.

    I sure wouldn’t open a business in or near the ‘hood or in any town, ‘hood or no ‘hood, that had gone from 70% white to 28% white in twenty years. White flight towns don’t get better; they deteriorate quickly.

People are speculating and trying to fill the gaps by what they see on tv shows it seems. I listened to a man argue with Tom Sullivan on the radio that police are only supposed to shoot 1 bullet to wound. Tom Sullivan trained as a cop and flat out didn’t buy it.

What is known is real life is different than fiction, but sometimes stranger. It appears fairly credible facts are: Brown robbed a store, Wilson pulled up shortly after, conflict happened, and Brown is dead. Brown was not a child, he was a 6’4″, 250+ man whose parents admitted it was their son in the store robbery video. The initial police PR referenced Wilson was injured in some manner and being treated at the hospital. Michael Baden’s autopsy confirmed the shots entered from the front, but was incomplete in that he did not have access to the clothing, and he stated both stories could have been confirmed (Brown was falling, or Brown was rushing).

That’s what we know. All the other circus with the press, President, rioters are after the fact distractions.

    Skookum in reply to Mich. | August 21, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    In a self-defense situation one shoots to stop the bad guy, never to wound him. Shooting to stop means aiming center of mass on the torso, where vital organs are located, or in the head. Center of mass on the torso is a much bigger than the head, so it is the preferred target.

    Wilson apparently kept shooting until Brown finally stopped — it took a bullet to the head to stop him. The hits on Brown’s right arm may have been Wilson trying, wrongly, to shoot to injure instead of to stop, or, more likely, were poorly placed because of his eye injury, the stress of the confrontation, and the greater distance between the two men when the shooting began (the final head shot being delivered at the closest distance as Brown charged Wilson).

    The number of shots fired is irrelevant — as long as the assailant has not stopped, you keep shooting, until your slide locks back on an empty magazine if necessary. George Zimmerman needed only one shot to stop Trayvon. It appears Wilson needed six to stop Brown (likely more, as I’m assuming some of Wilson’s shots missed — the average cop in a gun fight hits his target only about one out of every six shots).

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Mich. | August 21, 2014 at 5:15 pm

    Tom Sullivan didn’t just train as a cop. He was a CHP officer for quite a few years. He left LE and went into finance. Rush got him the gig on the radio.

    It is confirmed that Wilson suffered an orbital socket blow-out. The nature of the injury just wasn’t known at the time of the initial police report.

    We also know that co-felon Johnson had an active warrant for his arrest, a motivating factor in his participation and subsequent lies.

    Brown was not 250+ #s. He was either 292 or 340; it’s unclear which.

    Holder’s and obamullah’s insertions of themselves into this debacle is far more than a distraction. They are on the brink of a usurpation of state’s rights and yet another violation of the constitution. It may also become a usurpation of Wilson’s civil rights inasmuch as the federal government appears to be preparing to use their color of authority through civil rights laws to persecute Wilson.

    Michael Baden didn’t do an autopsy.

Henry Hawkins | August 21, 2014 at 5:44 pm

Hey attorneys….

Given pre-trial anti-Wilson statements made by the MO governor, the US president, and the US AG, plus 95% of media, is it possible for Wilson (if charged, of course) to get a change of venue, and if so, is it possible to find a place in America wherein prospective jury pools are not already tainted? What would happen if a judge agreed there is no place left in the US for Wilson to get a fair trial? Dismissal? Canada? Iraq? Mars?

Ut oh…..just heard that the ACLU requested the incident report of the shooting and Wilson did not complete one on the advise of his lawyer…not sure what this means. I would think he would have had to complete one on the day of the shooting. Any lawyers out there that can explain to me why this might be a problem for Wilson…or not?

Let’s go to root causes. I recall reading an article years ago about how the Palestinian refugee camps almost seemed designed to produce a regular crop of terrorists (they weren’t of course “designed” for that purpose, unless one takes the devil into account). Can’t we say something similar about America’s inner city welfare culture which almost guarantees a regular supply of boys growing up without fathers, without good moral influence, likely to fail at school, susceptible to seeking gangs to find some kind of family? Yes, I’m talking about the 1960’s “war on poverty” as a root cause of what we’ve just seen.

Officer Wilson is seen walking around the area of Brown’s body long after the shooting is over, and he was talking with other officers. His face appears smooth and uninjured in the video at that time. Police have been known to fake injuries after an incident to justify their use of unwarranted deadly force. Just like witnesses and perpetrators lie, police officers will also distort the truth to clear themselves of wrongdoing. Remember the Central Park jogger case. Officers distorted the evidence in that case and five young men were imprisoned for many years unjustly until the real rapist confessed and his DNA proved him the criminal. NYC refused to retry the case until those officers retired, and NYC settled the case after a lawsuit. I believe Officer Wilson, normally a good guy, just lost control of his anger and he executed Michael Brown; knowing the majority white community would never convict him.

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