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Dehumanized and desensitized

Dehumanized and desensitized

Report: Aborted and miscarried babies incinerated and used to heat buildings at Britain’s NHS hospitals

A shocking new report out of Great Britain has revealed that thousands upon thousands of aborted and miscarried babies have been incinerated at a number of British hospitals, some even being used to heat the hospitals themselves.

Ten NHS trusts have admitted burning foetal remains alongside other rubbish while two others used the bodies in ‘waste-to-energy’ plants which generate power for heat.

Last night the Department of Health issued an instant ban on the practice which health minister Dr Dan Poulter branded ‘totally unacceptable.’

At least 15,500 foetal remains were incinerated by 27 NHS trusts over the last two years alone, Channel 4’s Dispatches discovered.

The programme, which will air tonight, found that parents who lose children in early pregnancy were often treated without compassion and were not consulted about what they wanted to happen to the remains.

If the investigation turns out to be verified, which appears likely given the response by the National Health Service, the treatment of unborn children has reached a new level of atrocity in the “civilized” world.

These are not isolated incidents in some of the UK’s most destitute health service providers. To the contrary, some of these hospitals are the National Health Service’s standard bearers.

One hospital the investigation found to be participating in this brutal and inhuman practice was Addenbrooke’s, a Cambridge University Hospital.

The Hospital, which bids itself as “A centre of excellence… providing expert care in a safe, clean, comfortable and friendly environment,” incinerated hundreds of unborn children in their “waste to energy” plant. The hospital told the children’s mothers they had been “cremated.”

Unbeknownst to a litany of suffering mothers, these “cremated” babies at this and other NHS hospitals were actually being used to as fuel to provide heat for the hospital.

There is no real analogy one can draw to put these acts into perspective.

For what it’s worth, some of the hospitals have tacitly denied the allegations, though not with much vigor.

A spokesman for the Cambridge University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust said that trained health professionals discuss the options with parents ‘both verbally and in writing.’

“The parents are given exactly the same choice on the disposal of foetal remains as for a stillborn child and their personal wishes are respected,” they added.

It’s not likely one of those options is, “turn your child into fuel.”

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My proper vocabulary limits me from typing the words I would use in describing this.

My street vocabulary could be used but, I shall not use that.

However, I do have a name for these people. The Kermit Gosnell Group LLC.

    TrooperJohnSmith in reply to JP. | March 25, 2014 at 8:58 am

    In the UK, they will proclaim it the ultimate in “green recycling”. IPCC will probably given them some kind of bullsh*t “sustainability award”.

    Yes, the mere vehicle of language, expressing the wholly inadequate devices of outrage, shock, ridicule and irony, cannot scratch the surface of what most reasonable people feel.

    Keep in mind that this is a calculated move by the Secular Humanists. Yes, “this too shall pass,” and as the shock wears off and the horror fades, it will weave itself into the fabric called, The Norm. And the camel’s nose gets deeper into the tent, and we slide further down the slippery slope towards euthanasia and the elimination of unwanted/unproductive people from the all-pervasive, all-powerful, STATE!

      I recall that the machinations of the eugenicists nearly burned the world down early last century, before they were finally driven back. This strikes me as more of the same.

      I suspect the conflict between those who see human life as expendable, and those who do not has been going since the beginning of time, and will continue until the end.

      But the sanctity of life is still worth fighting for.


If there are any leftover, maybe they can make soap.

While elective abortion committed by a mother in a “back alley” is murder, normalization of abortion represents an unprecedented violation of human rights. Whether the mother murders/aborts her child or hires a contractor is irrelevant. Whether the murder/abortion is committed voluntarily or by state decree is also irrelevant to the character of the outcome. Pro-choice is a false choice, it is tolerance of murder/abortion for trivial causes and without due process.

A human life evolves from conception to death. People should not take comfort in the myth of spontaneous conception. They should not take comfort in executive, judicial, legislative, and popular efforts to devalue human life. They should be recognized for their crimes committed against the individual, society, and humanity.

The prerequisite for women and men to enjoy liberty is the capacity of self-moderating responsibility behavior. The planners need to reject population protocols which murder/abort human lives, devalue human life, and otherwise normalize dysfunctional behaviors. They are not only condoning human rights violations, but actually sponsoring it. The consequences of devaluing human life will not be constrained to the individual murderers/contractors and their victims.

Yet, as a man, I have been lectured to no end about how I am not allowed to even have an opinion about things like this.

Me being adopted, thereby potentially being a victim of abortion if times were different, no matter…

Me having one of my children aborted without my knowledge, no matter…

I am simply not ALLOWED to have an opinion…


    n.n in reply to MJN1957. | March 24, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    Every human being, male and female, have the right and, indeed, a motive, to protest actions which devalue human life. Murder/abortion reduces human life to a commodity for the most trivial of reasons, including: money, sex, ego, and convenience. Murder/abortion is also an integral aspect of a population control protocols adopted by communists, socialists, and other left-wing regimes in order to reduce the problem set.

    Make life, not abortion.

I suspect that the hospitals are incinerating all medical waste like hospitals around the world do. They’re also capturing the heat from the incinerator and using it for their steam plant for heating, power, whatever.

It’s not like they have a special baby furnace for turning dead babies into heat for the hospital. Aborted babies are being treated just like all other medical waste as should be expected.

In contrast, one of the horrors of the Gosnell charnel house was the dead baby remains that were flushed down the drain. Plumbers refused to go there because unclogging the drains resulted in a pile of dead baby limbs.

Abortion is gruesome and horrible, but this is a report pointing out one more gruesome and horrible thing about abortion. It’s not some revelation that’s going to end abortion forever, no matter how horrific the imagery.

    Jay Jones in reply to Xmas. | March 24, 2014 at 6:41 pm

    This reporting relies on the fallacy from the Matrix. That human material somehow holds/converts large amounts of energy.

    The hospitals are not getting heat from the incineration of the remains. They are conserving some. It takes far more energy to incinerate tissue than is gained from its incineration.

    It’s certainly macabre, but it’s not like our next fuel source is babies.

    Would I be unsettled by being in such a health care facility. Yes.

    Should mothers have the choice regarding how the remains are taken care of? Absolutely.

    What I don’t see here, though, is sliding down some slippery slope.

      Crawford in reply to Jay Jones. | March 24, 2014 at 11:45 pm

      There are a number of sets of rather famous ovens elsewhere in Europe that, also, consumed more energy than they produced.

      That does not change the horror of what they were used for.

        Jay Jones in reply to Crawford. | March 25, 2014 at 2:04 am

        Way to go Godwin.

        Do the important parts of either situation relate to disposal of the bodies?

        Or what turns people into bodies?

        The remains are dehumanized long before they are burnt.

    9thDistrictNeighbor in reply to Xmas. | March 24, 2014 at 7:01 pm

    At some point the volume of gruesome and horrible details about abortion will accumulate and tip the scales. If it doesn’t, then we have already slipped down the slope in to barbarism.

    I wonder what Ms. Professor-of-Porn would say about this story…she was upset by pictures of abortions. How about Sandra Fluke, yammering on about birth control….

    The City of Philadelphia rejected the request of Archbishop Chaput to be able to provide a Catholic burial for the Gosnell remains. I’d be curious to know what was the protocol for a chain of custody of those remains, if any. The City said they were going to cremate and bury. Perhaps they were used to heat the buildings there, too.

      I don’t have the context. Was this just for Catholic aborted babies or all of them?

      I didn’t think there were proper Catholic burials for the unbaptized young. Or maybe that’s just an outdated practice (vestiges of which I saw as a kid off to the edge of my local, rural Catholic cemetery).

        9thDistrictNeighbor in reply to JBourque. | March 24, 2014 at 8:08 pm

        The burials were intended to give a dignified burial to the babies, Catholic or not, who were not given any dignity by Gosnell. Catholics have no problem burying miscarried, stillborn, or aborted babies. The church considers them to be like the Holy Innocents who were slaughtered by Herod.

        BannedbytheGuardian in reply to JBourque. | March 24, 2014 at 8:24 pm

        Yes the little lost unbaptised souls buried away from everyone else.

        A recent excavation in Ireland found rows of little baby skeletons higgley piggely buried long after the Abby had been deserted & de consecrated. There appears to have been hundreds of years between the end of the abbey & the stealth graves.

        The locals ( Protestants now ) covered them up & gave them a proper funeral 500 plus years after the then Catholic priests forbade their internment in their graveyards ( for whatever reason.) .

        Poignant .

          9thDistrictNeighbor in reply to BannedbytheGuardian. | March 24, 2014 at 9:51 pm

          Had Richard III prevailed at Bosworth Field, there would have been no Henry VII, therefore no Henry VIII and perchance no English Reformation. England today might still be a Catholic country. Instead, you buried him under a car park. Thinking back, perhaps Richard thought his nephews were medical waste as well.

          BannedbytheGuardian in reply to BannedbytheGuardian. | March 24, 2014 at 10:21 pm

          To 9th district . Richard 111rd was mutilated by Henry’ s troops & left on the field . He was taken by the now defeated & under threat York troops to the abbey where the monks secretly buried him . There he lay whilst the abbey & surrounds fell into disuse / sacked / until he was excavated last year.

          The House of York certainly kept their secrets & the car park centuries later preserved his testing place. It is a great thing . ( It was a very dangerous thing to be a child heir to the throne .Elizabeth lived every day in fear) .

          The real turn of events for the end of catholicism ( aka Rule from Rome ) was the death of Prince Arthur. the elder brother of Henry V111 . To preserve the Spanish side of the bargain , Henry had to marry Catherine of Aragon , Arthurs widow. Poor kid .

The final indignity of the flesh. Still, I feel the jeopardy attaches with the original murder far more than the insensitive disposal of the murdered child. The idea of it is sickening however. Hellish even. This isn’t a slippery slope, you’re right. It’s the bottom of the slippery slope.

    n.n in reply to Immolate. | March 24, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    That’s right. It is a tradition in many, perhaps most, cultures to treat the remains of dead humans with a certain level of propriety. The great tragedy in this story is not how the clumps of cells were disposed, but that purportedly “decent” women and men support and tolerate premeditated (i.e. artificial) murder/abortion to terminate those lives in the first place.

    No, there is further to go. Molech is never sated. They will not stop until they are stopped.

PersonFromPorlock | March 24, 2014 at 7:07 pm

I still say we guys need to butt out of the abortion controversy, not only to save ourselves being screamed at by one side or the other but because ‘government by the consent of the governed’ says that only those to whom the laws apply should have a role in making them. And in this case, that’s women.

    9thDistrictNeighbor in reply to PersonFromPorlock. | March 24, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    Sorry, but since it takes two to tango, men absolutely have the right and the duty to speak out against abortion. To say that apply only to women and that only women should have a say ignores the person on whom abortion has the greatest effect: the child.

    Bryan’s headline for this story is spot-on: Dehumanized and Desensitized indeed.

    SmokeVanThorn in reply to PersonFromPorlock. | March 24, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    So you think that only those who pay taxes should have a say on tax legislation?

    Only those in the military should have a say on military spending?

    Or better yet – only illegal immigrants should have a say on immigration “reform.”

    Lady Penguin in reply to PersonFromPorlock. | March 25, 2014 at 6:14 am

    No, actually, men and women are involved in creating a new human life. And it’s pretty clear that a society which abandons valuing life will decay into obsolescence.

    “Government by the consent of the governed” doesn’t give a voice to those who cannot speak for themselves, the unborn, the disabled or frail and vulnerable. There is “law” and then there is morality and ethics. Without the later two, we do not survive.

    Respect for the dead, however they’ve died, is part of custom and tradition for all societies. Our so-called “civilized societies” are showing more barbarianism than “primitive” societies. While I can see how those who seek an abortion would be indifferent to the how the aborted infant is “disposed” (what a terribly distasteful word), there were many parents who lost a child by miscarriage or otherwise who appear to not have known how their child’s remains were cared for. IOW, there was no care.

    Hitler’s ovens “disposed” of at least 6 million Jews in crematoriums, along with another 5 million “undesirables” or enemies of the state…callousness and indifference enabled Hitler to do what he did, not that many decades later we’re creating the same mindset.

BannedbytheGuardian | March 24, 2014 at 7:39 pm

Everyday medical facilities contract to have their waste ( including human parts eg liposuction fat , moles ,, blood , swabs etc taken way for disposal. Abortion clinics also send their medical waste away .which include foetuses & womb fluids .

Where do they go to in your district?

Major hospitals often have their own incineration facilities & most likely accept contractors waste collections. There might be private facilities also . I know brain tissue from autopsies are separated & sent to a special facility not re interred or cremated with the body.

The sancity of the waste including human body parts is not enough to over ride public sanitation . Where would an amputated foot go from a diabetic ? Remember that Obama said Docs were helter skelter cutting them off rather than dealing with the long term care of said foot.

Gosnell was too cheap to pay. a contractor hence the body parts stuffed down the sewerage system.I hate to think of the rest of Philly ‘s medical waste journey .

It is complex but one of those things we take for granted , that. we go into a hospital & never worry about the bits we left behind .

I bet you these people are also concerned about preventing global warming. They didn’t want to lose a heat source. why waste bodies? Civilization is dying…. fools are reigning.

BannedbytheGuardian | March 24, 2014 at 7:54 pm

BTW the overwhelming majority of miscarriages occur at home in the first 3-4 months . These go either into the garbage or down the toilet.

District / States have guidelines after longer term foetuses . Today most of these occur or follow up D&Cs clean up in a hospital environment . Some states / health authorities require an official cremation / burial procedure.

Come back with your local by laws.

    Some states / health authorities require an official cremation / burial procedure.

    They do indeed. This means that the grieving parents of a miscarried baby also have the considerable expense of a funeral to add to their woes. Certainly in much of the US this has been a long-term problem.

    The point at which a cadaver is defined as a human requiring the full ritual of licensed burial or cremation is arbitrarily set by a legislature. As it must be, in order to justify the concept of legal abortion. But leaving anything of importance up to a legislature seems a poor strategy.

      BannedbytheGuardian in reply to tom swift. | March 24, 2014 at 11:09 pm

      it was formerly the church .who had the power of damnation .The legislative leap came about during the Grave Robber spree .,when the churches were simply overwhelmed by medical science researchers. They built sentry balconies & hired watchers in graveyards but these took the better money & let the nice fresh corpses go out the gate.

      The market was so hot that one gang was murdering people & wrapping them in a shroud with some dirt & bringin ’em in. One of the ‘exchanges’ was the London Meat Market site. 🙂

      Lady Penguin in reply to tom swift. | March 25, 2014 at 6:24 am

      While one may be concerned about expense, many families who lose a baby to miscarriage or stillbirth want to bury(or cremate) that child, and there are customs and rituals involved.
      As I noted above, abortion seekers are obviously indifferent to what happens to the remains, but not so others. It’s important for people to distinguish between the two.

Suddenly, Soylent Green isn’t so far-fetched…

We used to scoff at Roman claims that the Carthaginians sacrificed infants until we found their temples and hordes of infant skeletons.

I guess what we learned was to ensure there were no skeletons.

I don’t know what folks have their panties in a bunch about. Here in the states we use a consent for surgery. In the anesthesia section, there is a section allowing the hospital to dispose of removed tissue. Many hospitals dispose of this in an incinerator, just like when a person is cremated. The waste is usually medical waste, like a diseased colon or other tissue that needed to come out and some of the higher tech incinerators recapture heat to save on energy costs.

The only thing that is at all controversial here is that the hospital wasn’t giving families the option to have the remains returned, if the family wanted them returned.

By abortion here they are meaning both spontaneous abortion (loss of a pregnancy from natural causes) and elective abortion (termination of a pregnancy through medical procedure). This is why the numbers are so high, it is much more common for a pregnancy to terminate spontaneously than it is for a person to choose to do so medically.

BannedbytheGuardian | March 25, 2014 at 3:01 am

Who was that naughty novelist who said that Egyptian mummies were shipped over to fuel the new steam trains powering across the mid west ?

Mark Twain of course.

He knew how to upset people . Hilarious . Even today people are not quite sure if he was joking.

    Yes, and the English in their ever frugal manner, shipped back bones from India to make their world renowned ‘bone china’. Bone pickers would cruise the Ganges gathering the cast offs… BUT, those were the bones of heathen idol worshipers not the good off-spring of materialists.

      BannedbytheGuardian in reply to C. Lashown. | March 25, 2014 at 4:54 am

      Well the Brits also also tried to pull the women out of the funeral pyre of the dead husband but the villagers would push them back in.

      Indians are still cheap . My mother in law sold her daughters ‘ full Indian skeleton from med studies at a garage sale for $50 . He had his own little case & had barely been used , only coming out for Halloween a frw times since his glory days.

      if you give your body for organ donation , after they. are finished harvesting all bits & pieces it , it looks like a sock. .Clearly C Lashdown , you are not in the med business.

Soylent Green Energy.
So many in high and influential positions have decided we have too many people and not enough energy. This is a logical ‘solution’ to both of these crises if one has abandoned God. Start with the unwanted, then progress to the unneeded, then finally the undesirable. For that which has been is what will be, that which is done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun.

A proper response would be to bury the remains.

At least, give the remains to a Christian group who will honor those lost in this most despicable of human actions.

Democrats will no doubt use the idea as an alternative fuel source worthy of their Malthusian environmental platform.

    TrooperJohnSmith in reply to jennifer a johnson. | March 25, 2014 at 9:10 am

    Yes, a reasonable approach. However, to do so would raise this so-called “biological waste” to the status of living, viable, God-breathed human beings. The Left is about dehumanizing life, unless it can be exploited as a victimized, voting constituency.

    Sadly, in the “animal-friendly UK,” if it had been pet remains, there would’ve been wild, loud protests.

      Henry Hawkins in reply to TrooperJohnSmith. | March 25, 2014 at 11:46 am

      It might be that the Left is about *prioritizing* life, setting rankings of winners and losers via a sliding scale of value, a partial dehumanization, for once safely born, they continue to hold their *own* lives at the pinnacle of the scale. Other groups of humans, ehhh, not so much. By the Left’s dark lights, many are held precious and exalted while others are disposable, like table scraps or toilet paper.

        9thDistrictNeighbor in reply to Henry Hawkins. | March 25, 2014 at 5:20 pm

        Then you’ve got people like Peter Singer, Bioethics Dept. Chair at Princeton, who actively promotes ‘after-birth abortion.’

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