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Reader “Stand Your Ground” Pop Quiz

Reader “Stand Your Ground” Pop Quiz

Is this really “the highest profile stand your ground case in Florida since George Zimmerman”?

Andrew is taking a much needed day off, and tomorrow will resume live coverage — with mid-day and end-of-day wrap ups — of the Michael Dunn Trial, which enters week no. 2.

Here is a report from CBS News  (I believe Friday night).  A similar report was on the NBC nightly news tonight, but I can’t find the clip yet.

Pop Quiz.

Analyze this sentence, which starts the segment:

“If this sounds familiar, it is the highest profile stand your ground case in Florida since George Zimmerman was acquitted in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.”


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No, this is murder.

    It is not a stand your ground case. Then again, the Zimmerman was not a stand your grund case either. Both were/are murder trials. Except in the Dunn case, it seems the state actually has a case.

not a SYG case no matter what.

The MSM are experts at SYG. I mean, they’ve never taken a step back from their lies.

All the “news” sources I’ve seen are frantically pushing it as a SYG case.

I still find the MSM obsession with SYG (or its bizarre misconceptions about just what SYG is) inexplicable.

    Phillep Harding in reply to tom swift. | February 9, 2014 at 11:11 pm

    News paper reporters and editors whose writings tend to reduce violence lose their jobs or go bankrupt. Those who encourage violence have more to write about, and thrive.

      Oh sure. But assault, murder and mayhem predate SYG laws, and the press never needed SYG to whoop that stuff up in the past. So the non-stop mischaracterization of SYG is unnecessary if all they want to do is wallow in violent mayhem.

        Phillep Harding in reply to tom swift. | February 10, 2014 at 5:07 pm

        I don’t recall any SYG laws back then, though.

        SYG laws will tend to break up gang turf claims, reducing violence, IMO.

Not sure I can exactly analyze the opening statement but it should read like like this:

“If this sounds familiar it is because we are going to continue to distort the facts and mislead you through innuendo, fabrications, and outright lies to support our news agenda….”

Of course the misinformation is immediately evident in the lead in sentence calling Zimmerman a stand your ground case when it was a self-defense case and not a stand your ground issue.

MouseTheLuckyDog | February 9, 2014 at 9:30 pm

If Mr. Dunn felt under attack, he did not have the option to retreat, because his girlfriend was in the store. The boys were there first, and therefore likely saw her get out of the car. They likely would have known that she was with him. Thus to retreat would have meant that he abandoned her to possible assault by the “yoots”. So no retreat was possible, even if the engine was running. Self defense maybe, SYG no.

Because Zimmerman was not an SYG case, then, no, this is not the biggest SYG since Zimmerman. This isn’t even a new SYG case. It’s a murder case.

As is typical, reporters who deal with self-defense stories OR with firearms are simply idiots.

This is not a SYG case. The moment this person turned to retrieve a handgun it was no longer a case of SYG, nor a self-defense case. When in a public place, you can’t go and get a gun, then return (even if only traveling a few feet) and shoot. You either defend yourself where you stand, or you go away. If you go away, you cannot come back. Coming back exposes you to danger again, and that exposure is voluntary. You can’t defend yourself against a known, imminent threat to which you voluntarily expose yourself. Self-defense consists of eliminating an uninvited threat, either by neutralizing it or by removing yourself from it. Once you have removed yourself there is no “going back.” That’s retaliation. (FYI, I was a supporter of G. Zimmerman based on my understanding of the facts in his case.)

    MouseTheLuckyDog in reply to DaveGinOly. | February 10, 2014 at 12:25 am

    You do realise that Dunn never left the drivers seat. He retrieved the gun from the glove compartment and fired in the drivers seat.

    Just an odd thought, why do they call it a glove compartment? Does anyone actually keep gloves in there?

It has nothing to do with SYG at all, and neither did the Zimmerman case.

SYG can ONLY apply in a legitimate self defense situation where an opportunity to retreat or flee presents itself. Under SYG, the person defending himself or others has no obligation to retreat.

An incident which takes place in just a few seconds is rarely going to be a SYG case anyway.

MouseTheLuckyDog | February 10, 2014 at 5:20 am

If anyone wants to make a bet on the trial. Here is an interesting question to bet on ( No not withme I don’t bet. )

What will be the number of times George Zimmerman is mentioned in Strolla’s closing. I think he will be mentioned once, but not much more.

smalltownoklahoman | February 10, 2014 at 6:47 am

Another classic example of the media lying to shape the narrative in order to push an agenda.

The democrats’ war on the Constitution must be disapponting for them …to stoop to these lengths.

MaggotAtBroadAndWall | February 10, 2014 at 9:18 am

I have not been following this case, but I know SYG had absolutely nothing to do with how the GZ case was defended. So the media is obviously lying by characterizing the GZ case as a SYG case.

It’s almost as if the corrupt media is biased against SYG and has an agenda to try to turn public opinion against it. Who woulda thunk it?

This case is exactly like a thousand other cases that occur across the the country every year. A verbal argument escalated into a physical altercation that resulted in a death. It is a seeming slam dunk for the prosecution, as no evidence, other than the word of the accused, has been presented to indicate that Dunn was justified in using deadly force at all. The only reason that it is news is because;
1): it is happening in Florida, the poster child for firearms law rollback efforts by progressives and liberal interests,
2): it involves the State Attorney that everyone loves to hate, Angela Corey,
3): it is white on black crime and the media is desperate to deflect attention from reports of black on white crime and
4): the media is desperately trying to mitigate the damage done to their narrative that firearms can not and should not be used defensively, which was significantly undermined by the Zimmerman case.

This case would normally be of only local interest, except for the agenda of the national media.