House GOP proposes short-term debt ceiling increase pending budget negotiations
But White House premptively rejects budget negotiations while government “shut”
Those are the latest reports as a House Republican conference just broke up, with a group heading to the White House.
Here’s the latest, to be updated throughout the day:
BREAKING. House GOP leaders confirm proposal on temporary extension of debt ceiling.
— Charlie Kaye (@CharlieKayeNews) October 10, 2013
CNN: "Official: Obama will sign short term debt ceiling extension" – http://t.co/JG1XwkADLR
— Kevin Madden (@KevinMaddenDC) October 10, 2013
But will Obama “negogiate” unless his other precondition — full clean CR — is met?
Apparently not, as this just hit the wires as well:
White House: No budget talks until government reopens http://t.co/lALdj4h5RV
— Briefing Room (@briefingroom) October 10, 2013
Hugh Hewitt summed up the pointlessness:
POTUS preemptively rejects preemptive GOP surrender, demands additional surrendering before agreeing to unconditional surrender. GOP huddles
— Hugh Hewitt (@hughhewitt) October 10, 2013
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So, now the US Government is trying to get payday loans to operate? Sounds financial strategy, guys.
GOP must publicize that they made this offer, and then not make another. It would be an intensely stupid move to negotiate against themselves.
Americans will survive through a period in which the handles on drinking fountains along Chesapeake Bay have been removed. But America won’t survive unless this lawlessness by the executive branch is stopped.
“It would be an intensely stupid move to negotiate against themselves.”
Why do you think we’re called “the party of stupid”?
“Publicize” is the problem. When a significant number of voters get what minimal information they do get late night cable TV comedy shows, “publicize” is the major problem.
Every Republican and every conservative (not necessarily the same thing) needs to stop dealing with the main stream media. No matter what the question, they should simply say, “America is a great country” and either repeat that statement or refuse to make any other statement.
Stop giving edit happy producers and editors product they can manipulate.
I disagree. The GOP must continue to make offers, but only make incrementally-less-lenient offers as time passes. After every rejection, demand more budget cuts, spending cuts, restrictions, concessions, etc. Make it absolutely clear that the offer on the table right now is the nicest one the Dems will get, and if they don’t take it, the next one won’t be as nice but will be the nicest they’ll get. And definitely publicize – loudly – that they’re passing offer after offer and being rejected every time.
Justify it by explaining that the people are hurt most by the delay in getting the government funded, and propose this as a strategy to discourage further delays.
IOW, don’t continue to sweeten the pot. Sour it instead.
“It would be an intensely stupid move to negotiate against themselves.”
But so thrillingly Republican!
Hugh Hewitt’s tweet is priceless.
Got me chuckling, followed by a sigh, then a tear.
Yeah, the “GOP huddles” part is depressing.
Just how long can we kick the can down the road? Go for a short 3-month extension, and negotiate during the interim. If no negotiations or no agreement at the end of 3-months, shut ‘er down for good.
Keep the government shut down and pass the debt ceiling. Obama can say all he wants, but it was HE who was demanding the debt ceiling be raised without conditions, well HERE IT IS. But no end to the shutdown until he caves. Let’s see Obama and Harry Reid play games with “OMG DEFAULT IF TEH RETHUGLIKKKANS DONT PASS DEBT CEILING!!!!1!!1!!” when they pass it in the house. So call their bluff and don’t pass a “clean” CR.
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No more votes or money for republicans. They are truly the stupid party. Defund Republicans. Kill off the republican party brand!
and give liberals total control in the process.
Mike Lee points out…
1. the central government already has too much power
2. they are not bashful about using their power against the governed to whip them into line
3. the bureaucracy has been subverted to the use of the party of BIG GOVERNMENT
4. ObamaDoggle will be used to crush opposition by individuals, using the corrupt IRS and HHS.
In front of the cameras, Speaker John Boehner has sold his decision to embrace a short-term debt ceiling extension as meeting President Obama “half way.” But the origin of the plan suggets it’s more ambitious than it is modest.
“I actually proposed this idea to Eric Cantor two days ago,” Idaho representative Raul Labrador tells me. “I was seeing that the two issues” — the continuing resolution and the debt ceiling – ”were being conflated, that they were all coming together . . . I wanted to make sure that we separated the two issues so we could continue to fight on Obamacare on the CR and continue to fight on entitlement reform on the debt ceiling,” he adds.
Seen that way, the decision is not about giving ground but simply delaying one fight to dig in on the other. Labrador and the other conservatives who championed it in recent days, including Heritage Action’s president Michael Needham and RedState founder Erick Erickson, want to achieve an Obamacare victory on the CR and then an entitlement-reform victory on the debt ceiling. In the meeting, Labrador spoke in favor of the plan, as did Representative Michele Bachmann.
—TheCorner
Maybe.
Watch and see…
Every Republican congressman should …
… take the afternoon off and play a round of golf.
They’re doing their part! I’m doing my part too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN4a7CbbeZ8
Republicans need to get united on messaging.
“We have passed bills to fund everything in government, except a small part of Obamacare, where we must debate their special exemptions. ONLY Democrats are keeping the rest of government closed, the bills are waiting for Harry to act.
So far Democrats have rejected ALL clean funding bills, and are wasting money closing parks to make citizens feel pain. Tell Hairy Reid to open government, pass the clean bills on his desk. The House has done its job.”
Or whatever … but put the onus on Democrats to admit THEY are keeping government closed. It not only puts the burden on them, it shows what liars they have been the whole time.
GOP never learns. Debt ceiling hike now in trade for budget negotiations later. Gee, have the Dems ever reneged on such deals before? Ask Ronald Reagan.
“I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.”
This has all the earmarks of classic Stalinist negotiation. 1) Obama demands concessions before even starting the negotiation, sets pre-conditions to the very act of negotiating. “Give me something first and maybe I’ll negotiate with you.” The next step is Hitlerian negotiation, “I take what you give me but don’t give back what I promised, I ratchet up my demands.” 2) “I will consider a deal (but don’t promise one) and at the same time I indicate that I am not inclined to do one,” another classic Stalinist tactic, raise hopes falsely. 3) Demonize the opponent. The only way to deal with Stalinist/Hitlerian negotiation is to be as tough as the other guy is and stand toe to toe. Its practitioners despise weakness and respect only strength.
Exactly. Thank you for the historical references. You are spot on. Boehner is the Chamberlain of our era.
The Republicans were winning now they’re going to surrender. I agree with Beck, defund the GOP, the party of stupid.