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Video: Did The Zimmerman Jury Get It Right?

Video: Did The Zimmerman Jury Get It Right?

Andrew Branca and I gave a lecture on September 12, 2013, at Cornell Law School in an event sponsored by the Cornell 2nd Amendment Club.

The topic was the George Zimmerman shooting of Trayvon Martin and subsequent trial.

My segment starts at 2:45 and Andrew Branca’s at 30:40, with questions from the audience at 1:03:30.

The video does not show the slides used, those are available along with video at the Cornell Law School website.  (The video is easier to view here,  but you can try the Cornell site if you like.)

(Added) Here are the Slides: Did The Zimmerman Jury Get It Right – Slide Presentation.  If you want to see them synced to the audio, you have to go to the Cornell link above.

Did the Zimmerman Jury Get It Right – Slide Presentation

I got a notice today of the panel discussion below. I asked to be included on the panel, but was informed it was too late to change the format. That’s too bad.  Based on the description, a dissenting voice would have been educational:

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FYI, my slides are posted up at my blog here:

Frankly, my slides are a better communication vehicle for the content than my presentation of the slides–I fumbled about a bit in this presentation, as I mention in my blog post.

Bill, I’ll send you the slide file, as well, in case you’d like to embed it directly here, once I get to a real internet connection, what I have access to right now is too slow for the size of the file.

–Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

I see Branca is sticking with the photo that makes him look like he hasn’t blinked in fifteen years, lol.

Excellent. I can now spend my break watching a lucid discussion of the facts 🙂

You know… this case would be a great formula for a John Grisham novel.

    Maybe Tom Wolfe could do something with this, call it . . . ummmm . . . . “Bonfire of the Vanities,” something like that.

    Of course that’s an accidental killing, not a self-defense killing–but he’d just need to re-write a couple of pages, it would still work. 🙂

    –Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

While Dr. Bao is now suing the State of Florida for $100-million. I guess his lawyer really wants to try and ring some money out of this case. Anyway, at Free Republic someone went and provided all the best links to Dr. Bao’s testimony. How do you turn links into links, because I don’t know how to do it. But here they are:

All of his testimony is in these various “parts”. I’ve noted especially memorable quotes, suitable for fortune cookies, custom-made Magic 8-Balls, or pick-up lines when pursuing pretentious airheads dressed all in black with glasses with tiny rectangles for lenses:

Part 9:

“A dead man cannot stand.” 00:39

“The fact is different from opinion. For the fact, there is no right or wrong, just truth or false.” 22:30

Part 10:

Part 11:

“You cannot ask me questions I don’t know. If it’s yes, it’s wrong; if it’s no, it’s wrong.” 09:39

“All my memory is new memory.” 19:58

Part 12:

Part 13:

“Opinion can be changed. Opinion, there is no truth or false. Just right or wrong.” 06:13

“If someone never change opinion, you can call them mentally retarded, or, you never learn, right?” 06:38

“I can change every hour. I don’t see any problem.” 13:17

Part 14:

“My opinion is, marijuana could have no effect, or some effect.” 03:37

Part 15:

Part 16:

“I believe in this case nobody can, nobody know Trayvon Martin’s autopsy more than I do.”
“Except for one thing: You can’t remember anything about it.”
“Yes. Everything is based on my notes.” 08:20

Part 17:

Part 18:

DAMN I hope he writes his own filing !!!!

THAT would be a PISSER to read !

I wonder if he realizes he’s accusing Corey et al of a few crimes ? They would all be disbarred and in jail if he was right and could prove it !!!!

‘Why how they no fire white people before me’ ???? Geez ….

    Baker in reply to pjm. | September 13, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    Can you imagine it going to some kind of trial and having Bao give testimony? I would love to see that posted to YouTube. I would watch it just for the laughs.

Andrew – homework assignment for you 🙂

What is the connection between Attorney Willie Gary, Bao-wow’s lawyer, and the TM race baiters – family, family lawyers whose names I forget, etc. The whole race-baiter team.

Excellent job. I watched a lot of the trial (through this site), and still learned a lot. One thing in particular was about the dance that the prosecution was dancing to keep all that social media and telephone evidence showing TM as maybe less than pristine out. And, why the THC was never introduced. Thanks for posting the talk.

Nice lecture. I enjoyed it!

Re “Profiling Travon and Rachel…” and those two sweet-looking children depicted in the poster. I think it’s safe to expect that the “discussion” will lean in the direction of disinformation.

Wish there had been a video inset of the audience – I’d have liked to see their reaction to the presentation. How many people attended?

MouseTheLuckyDog | September 14, 2013 at 2:52 am

Sigh sadly ATM moment I am downloading something else. The lecture will have to wait.

The HufPo is reporting that the Sheriff is distancing from earlier comments about Zimmerman being a time bomb.

You know, the trial is over. What’s not over is the legal wrangling on what NBC owes Zimmerman because they maliciously doctored the call with the dispatcher Zimmerman had, while he had called in that he saw a suspicious guy who might have been casing condos.

It’s a funny thing about lawyers on cases like this. They’re not getting hourly fees. They’ll share in what comes out at the end. And, NBC will purposely drag its feet. Because they know George has no access to a a job. (While, yes, he has money given to him by strangers.) Plus, since he was Not Guilty the State of Florida may have to pay him for his defense.

Now we know his wife wants a divorce. And, she’s willing to be an agent acting against him. She could be called as a witness, or deposed. And, asked “how many people has George punched in the nose?” Shellie is not a truth teller.

George also seems like a guy lacking in judgement. He rents a house from his father-in-law. But his father-in-law comes in at will? Tenants don’t have to put up with that!

Mark O’Mara also came off looking bad, saying he’s no longer Zimmerman’s attorney.

And, no matter how much press has shown up, no one is discussing how money has distorted George’s life. And, those who are his lawyers.

MouseTheLuckyDog | September 14, 2013 at 12:49 pm

The rumors are starting to fly that Bao claims TM was shot in the back. Funny some people are actually believing this.

    Well, you see, you have to understand that he doesn’t remember anything. But he has his opinoin about everything. Which changes based on what time it is.

    So in his expert opinion, TM was shot in the back, regardless of where the holes were (he doesn’t remember).

    Yeh, that’s the ticket !

Andrew, what is your take on why O’Mara has now dropped George in his divorce proceedings as well as in any possible charges that may come as a result of George’s actions against Shellie and her father this past week?

What is your take on George threatening his father-in-law with a gun? The “Come closer” taunting by George, while he had his hand on his gun?

George blames Shellie for hitting him on his back with her iPad as the reason that George needed to destroy her iPad, break it in to many pieces. Do you believe that, or is it more likely that he wanted to destroy the video evidence that the iPad contained?

    Another Voice in reply to DriveBy. | September 14, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    For what ever reason you are putting out these rhetorical questions you are also pushing the talking points of MSM perpetuating the “Zimmerman is guilty of something”. Let the legal system work, as was pointed out by W.J. & A.B. in the legal presentation of the Zimmerman/Martin case. The personal relationship fallout and the toll it has taken on these people, George, Shelly and extended family have certainly been devastating. There is no significant crime here, if there is one at all. If anything, it is what many other families have had to get through after a crisis of this magnitude. The public does no service by creating another media drama.

      SmokeVanThorn in reply to Another Voice. | September 14, 2013 at 5:14 pm

      He can’t help it. He is an incurable liar and is obsessed by hatred for George Zimmerman.

        Hey Girl! I know you love me! If you didn’t you would post facts instead of empty accusations, and you wouldn’t stalk me like a freak! But you can’t have me. Get on with your life!!!

          SmokeVanThorn in reply to DriveBy. | September 14, 2013 at 5:45 pm

          It’s important that people new to this blog know that you are a liar with a pathological hatred of George Zimmerman.

          As for “posting facts,” two points. First, it’s you burden to demonstrate the truthfulness of your claims. It’s not enough for you to claim something, then demand that others disprove it. Second, any one who has read previous threads knows that when you are challenged to cite evidence to support your rantings, you don’t respond. For example, you made several false claims about the evidence at trial, and when commenters asked you to cite the testimony supporting your contentions, you had no response.

          The statement “I know you love me! If you didn’t you would post facts instead of empty accusations” is simply and typically incoherent.

          As for “stalking,” count the number of comments you’ve posted in response to Mr. Branca’s posts and compare them to the number of comments I’ve made in response to you. Who’s the “stalker?”

          The lack of clarity that clarity of

          SmokeVanThorn in reply to DriveBy. | September 14, 2013 at 8:14 pm

          I see that words I thought I edited from my comment (“The lack of clarity that clarity of”) were not deleted.

          Such are the dangers of not using the Preview feature.

          Sensible readers will understand.


This A-hole Bao is actually saying that TM was ‘shot in the back, and the prosecution decided not to tell the jury that while they prosecuted him for murder on international TV’.

And some hotshot black lawyer is rep’ing him.

How much you wanna bet that lawyer is instigating this whole thing ? Knowing that he won’t even get so much as a dollar settlement, but a few million dollars of free press for himself, at the expense of the country, using this complete tool Bao to get it ?

DAMN I hope Bao writes his own legal filings !!!!

    DriveBy in reply to pjm. | September 14, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    I need you to post your social security number, your date of birth, and a listing of all of your secret accounts along with the requisite passwords as soon as possible. I am from the ABI (Alien Bureau of Investigation) and I need immediate access to those things in order to save you from an alien abduction that is targeted at you; they will be landing very soon. BTW, Dr. Bao is the alien’s Captain and Expedition Leader. Hurry!

    DriveBy in reply to pjm. | September 14, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    OMFG! I forgot to warn you about “the hotshot black lawyer [that] is rep’ing him.” Really bad dude; don’t let him see your skin color or else who knows what might happen!

    DriveBy in reply to pjm. | September 14, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    update: Good news PJM! The ABI has intercepted the Alien Abduction Craft and we have Dr. Bao in custody and isolation; the threat against you is now over. You can thank us later. As a precautionary measure, please make a hat out of tin foil, place it on your head, and tune in to MSNBC, as we will be sending you secret (offline, off LI) subliminal messages with further security measures and updates via MSNBC shortly. Please be calm, all is well! You’re good!!! Thank you for your cooperation. ABI

    Carol Herman in reply to pjm. | September 14, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    We have 300,000,000 million people living in this country. Not all that many of them watched the whole trial on TV.

    On the other hand? Dr. Bao (who was questioned, I think, by Don West), kept looking down at notes. Until, finally, “farely ridiculous debbie half nelson” looked down from her bench seat and saw it as well.

    Dr. Bao was so unbelievable that I thought some law professor, somewhere, would bring this into a classroom. Just to give law students an idea of how an expert witness can work out for the defense.

    “A dead man can’t stand.”

    “I have no memory of doing the autopsy. But I have my notes.”

    Yes, now he is claiming the gun shot entered from the back, meaning not only that Trayvon was face down on the ground, but George Zimmerman was on top of him.

    All it takes to believe this crap is to have a visceral hate for White people. And, the American culture.

    Bao’s been fired. And, I think Angela Corey will actually enjoy defending the State of Florida against this incompetent.

    I’m glad Dr. Bao has decided to come back again into this story.

      LOL! Stop Carol, please. I already had fun with this once or twice or three times today. Please don’t do this.

      But did you hear about the Black lawyer that is “rep’ing” Dr. Bao? He has a real “hate for White people” just like you imagined.


There’s an extended Mark O’Mara inteview at the scene the other day. And, he starts by saying “I am a divorce lawyer, as well as a criminal lawyer. And, in my experience divorces are much more emotional.”

O’Mara also says George has to MOVE OUT that night! His life was endangered by the press showing up, and the address now known.

This means that Shellie’s dad loses the tenant that was spending $1000 a month to rent the place. The house was a RENTAL. Imagine coming home to find your in-laws inside your house, with your soon to be ex-wife!

Soon Shellie’s lawyer came. And, the police. And, so, too, did Mark O’Mara! This is why the police thought better of charging George with domestic violence.

That 9/11 call was a put up job. Too bad for Shellie it didn’t contain a word of truth. And, she’s already on probation for lying to a judge.

Thinking they can gain lots of money sure makes people do strange stuff. Remember the media also makes money. Every one of those characters gets paid to be there.

O’Mara wants to tamp down on the “divorce dourt” aspect. Maybe, now, so, too, does Shellie’s attorney?