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Juror: 5 of 6 believed it was Zimmerman screaming for help (Rachel Jeantel inverview added)

Juror: 5 of 6 believed it was Zimmerman screaming for help (Rachel Jeantel inverview added)

And it begins.

Juror B37 gave an interview to CNN in which she said it was George Zimmerman screaming for help: [some video problems on CNN’s side with embeds but appears to be working now]

Meanwhile, the prosecutors are on the TV circuit defending themselves, and calling Zimmerman a murderer:

How would Florida State Attorney Angela Corey describe George Zimmerman in one word?


Update: Thanks to Common Cents, here is the full video interview:

Update No. 2: (h/t commenter txantimedia)


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I don’t know whether Angela Corey and her three prosecutors are delusional, or simply mendacious, but to go out after the verdict is rendered to call George Zimmerman a “murderer” is beyond the pale. This is a continuation of gross misconduct by Ms. Corey, in effect slandering the jurors who heard the evidence (or lack of it) and rendered their verdict. It is shameful, and there must be consequences.

    graytonb in reply to northcross. | July 15, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    I cannot imagine that the people of FL can put up with this from their top cop. She needs to resign asap, and since it’s obvious that she is in love with the sound of her own voice, this isn’t going to happen. So fire her.
    And LOL watching BDLR and company admitting they ‘ weren’t used to losing ‘.

    GrumpyOne in reply to northcross. | July 15, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    I would think that Ms. Corey and her crew would look to those who forced her into this prosecution. At least that’s what basic logical assessment tells me.

    Maybe I’m just illogical…

      caambers in reply to GrumpyOne. | July 15, 2013 at 9:19 pm

      Trust me when I say this that Corey most definitely was not forced in to anything. She most likely lobbied her good friend Pam Bondi for this as she needed to boost her standing with the minority community if she was going to have a shot at getting re-elected. You see…she had taken a lot of fire for the way she had handled a case involving a minority–a real child of 12. She had charged this person with M1. Naturally there was outrage since there were mitigating circumstances as this child had been horribly abused himself. I think she’s now angling for some higher office and that’s why she’s enjoying her time in front of the cameras. It’s raising her profile. She is evil.

      kittycat in reply to GrumpyOne. | July 15, 2013 at 10:19 pm

      Are we really sure that Ms. Corey is a she? Maybe it’s really a male who is taking treatments to become a woman.

    raven in reply to northcross. | July 15, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    Grotesque. But what else should we expect?

    Take a careful look at the lay of the political land right now. How many democrats politicians have jumped into the ugly fray of the racial politics on this case and its aftermath? Now, look at how many republican figure are speaking up to defend as vociferously as the Left attacks or even at all? Can anybody name one?

    I’m guessing that about 7/8 of the national GOP wishes Zimmerman had been convicted.

    This is the state of the war we are in.

      Carol Herman in reply to raven. | July 15, 2013 at 9:28 pm

      Up ahead (2014), the fight will take place in our SWING STATES. It’s like when Governor Walker, in Wisconsin, took on the teacher’s union (I believe), and all of Madison, Wisconsin went NUTS. Petitions were signed for him to be recalled. And, the UNIONS LOST!

      Wisconsin is considered a “swing state” … It also is attracting businesses to relocate to Wisconsin. (Which means Walker is a very successful governor). If this State turns RED … that’s a SWING STATE that moves to the right. And, seats in Congress, when such shiftings take place, scare politicians half to death.

      Sure, there are some politicians who have guaranteed seats. Remember Teddy Kennedy? When he died the State of Massachusetts said “The seat belongs to a democrat.” But the election brought in Scott Brown, a republican, instead.

      Are there GOP problems? Sure enough. The GOP critters in Congress poll even lower than Obama. And, they’re not adept at doing much other than their usual Washingtonian habits.

      I think it’s a lot like waiting for the lady jurors to come in with George Zimmerman’s verdict. And, it was very hard to hold onto the faith that the jury system would work.

      Whew. It did. And, now the left is in over-drive … trying to get back on the road … they thought they owned.

      To me? It looks like the Trojan Horse, made of paper, is on fire. The soldiers can’t quite come out. But if they stay inside the beast they burn up.

      Individuals usually feel helpless when the State comes around and presses their weight around.

      And, then I remember our American Revolution. Where ordinary farmers were willing to get out of bed late at night, and line up at Bunker Hill … waiting … “One if by sea, two if by land.” And, Paul Revere started out late at night … And, the messenger woke everybody up.

      “DON’T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITE’S OF THEIR EYES!” (Because? When you want your fire to be accurate, you don’t want to waste ammunition.)

      The press has been losing customers for so long … we should be watching this the way those old farmers, gathered on top of Bunker Hill … watched the approaching Red Coats.

      We have the Internet. And, as much as Holder tries to inflict NSA on the WORLD! He’s only managed to boloxy things up.

      Holder didn’t scare us. The bamster has made us very angry. And, when we’re angry we are sure to vote!

      styro1 in reply to raven. | July 15, 2013 at 10:40 pm

      Republican Rep Tom Cole of Oklahoma actually said “It’s a tragedy that should’ve never happened. Clearly Zimmerman should’ve never gotten in that car, shouldn’t have had a gun, shouldn’t have been out.”
      Frankly I have no clue what the hell he’s talking about. Is he saying that GZ should never went shopping that night or meant to say never got “out” of car? In reference to “shouldn’t have been out” does he mean he has no right to leave his house or he shouldn’t have gotten out of his car. As to GZ not having a pistol, well I think he’s just being a politically correct ass. He’s in a largely Democratic district so his electability trumps all and has been in the public sector most of his adult life except for a short time as a college professor.

    Matt in FL in reply to northcross. | July 15, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    I still do not understand how this woman can continue to put out provably false information and slander GZ at this point.

    She did an interview with Orlando Channel 6 WKMG and said, “What George Zimmerman did after disobeying that dispatcher and getting out of his truck set the entire set of circumstances into motion.”

    If you can stomach it, you can find the rest of the interview here:

      Dennis23 in reply to Matt in FL. | July 15, 2013 at 10:08 pm

      So many people have simply not followed the trial as closely, sometimes minute by minute, as we have. They only know what they read from the biased opinion articles. It’s seriously like talking to a wall with these people and the #1 thing they continue to quote, despite the testimony and 911 calls out there, is this same statement about the police telling GZ to stay in the car or to not follow. SMH.

        Cynewulf in reply to Dennis23. | July 15, 2013 at 10:54 pm

        I have spent 2 days on the Daily Beast boards (pray for me, lol), and it as you said. That same piece of of misinformation keeps coming up (along with a host of others), and if you post vid of the truth, they move onto the next bit of misinformation. These people (the Left) have so much invested in the media Narrative that they cannot for the life of them see past it. The disservice the media has done to this country is staggering. It really brings home to me the value of the low information voter to the Left.

      Daiwa in reply to Matt in FL. | July 15, 2013 at 10:21 pm




      Those are the kindest words I can scream at the moment.

      I’m spitting at the monitor I’m so pissed.

      nomadic100 in reply to Matt in FL. | July 15, 2013 at 10:52 pm

      You got me, as Martin said. I can’t stomach it.

      JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Matt in FL. | July 16, 2013 at 1:16 am

      She’s well intoNifong territory now – WAY in.

    rantbot in reply to northcross. | July 15, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    I don’t recall offhand ever hearing of a case in the US after which the prosecutors pretended that they hadn’t been overruled by a higher power (ie, the jury). Very unprofessional, at the least.

      Matt in FL in reply to rantbot. | July 15, 2013 at 10:35 pm

      Yeah, don’t prosecutors, even ones in high profile cases normally just say something like, “We did the best we could, the jury has spoken, now we all move on.” ?

      What did the prosecutors do after OJ was acquitted? I was old enough to be aware, but I don’t remember. Did they go on a magical mystery tour continuing to call him a murderer?

Wow. Anyone who ever doubted the intelligence and rationality of a woman juror should watch this interview. George was very fortunate to have such a reasoned, unemotional
jury, if B27 is representative.

So now we know that we did indeed have 1 juror holding out on that manslaughter charge.

Glad the other women talked some sense into her.

    snopercod in reply to fmudd. | July 15, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    Which brings into question how that rumor leaked out…

    northcross in reply to fmudd. | July 15, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    Interestingly, all six might have thought it was 90% likely that it was Trayvon screaming, but still had enough reasonable doubt not to convict Zimmerman

      fmudd in reply to northcross. | July 15, 2013 at 8:53 pm

      I’m not gleaning that from the interview; if this juror’s account is accurate.

      Speaking for myself hear, but I can see no way that HONEST people can say that a man getting pummeled will be taking those punches quietly while the person raining blows is the one screaming for help.

      JackRussellTerrierist in reply to northcross. | July 16, 2013 at 1:19 am

      The juror interviewed by AC said she had no doubt that it was GZ screaming, based on (John Good’s) testimony and GZ’s injuries.

    wyntre in reply to fmudd. | July 15, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    Originally there were 3 NG, 1 2nd degree and 2 MS.

      txantimedia in reply to wyntre. | July 15, 2013 at 9:09 pm

      How do you know this?

      rantbot in reply to wyntre. | July 15, 2013 at 10:14 pm

      That’s MUCH too close, considering that the prosecution gave us nothing but a bunch of half-baked and entertainingly hysterical flights of fancy, with GZ some sort of Professor Moriarty criminal mastermind taking criminal justice courses to throw everyone off the track, blah blah; They only thing they didn’t work in there is devil-worship and flying saucers. Yes, all very entertaining but not too appropriate in a real (as opposed to TV) courtroom. But as for the jurors, I’m baffled that any creature sufficiently advanced to have a central nervous system, no matter how estrogen-soaked, could begin to fall for that crap. Call me a babe in the woods, but I had no idea that the whole jury system had such a flimsy basis.

    was thinking the same: now we know for sure there was one holdout who had to be convinced that it was not manslaughter. The other women did a good job in convincing that person to stop holding out to the truth.

A-Mazing! Must see/hear interview.

radiofreeca | July 15, 2013 at 8:39 pm

As a non-lawyer, is she liable for libel/slander due to calling Zimmerman a ‘murderer’ when he’s been acquitted?

She really does seem unable to cope with the idea that she lost – as if “if you don’t like the results, change the facts”.

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to radiofreeca. | July 16, 2013 at 1:26 am

    I think she’s doing it to pander to blacks so they don’t shoot her down on the street or come burn her house down for losing. She lost because she had no case and should never have filed, but her newly-minted followers couldn’t care less about that aspect. So she’s out there fanning the flames in order to make herself look like she’s on ‘their’ side.

Obviously the prosecution team has never heard the old adage about what to do when you find yourself in a hole.

I can describe Angela Corey in one word too…

    walls in reply to Gmax. | July 15, 2013 at 8:53 pm


      Anchovy in reply to walls. | July 15, 2013 at 9:07 pm

      You know, I can never remember if that is one word, two words, or hyphenated. Guess I will have to look up one of my old job performance evaluations…..

    Carol Herman in reply to Gmax. | July 15, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Ah, and Angela Corey is just the reach out person the democrats will use to win over the Hispanic vote. How likely is it that she’d be a “poster person” for this chore?

Zimmerman’s attorneys should file an Ethics Complaint against Angela Nifong Corey, along with a civil suit for abuse of process. I think she is on very thin ice and ought to lose her license.

A question for any of you lawyers here. What is the legal difference between ‘no guilty’ and ‘innocent’? I hear on TV that the jury found GZ not guilty, but that doesn’t mean he’s innocent. So, just what does that mean?

    MarkS in reply to MarkS. | July 15, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    oopps! That should’ve been ‘not guilty’ not ‘no guilty’.

    fmudd in reply to MarkS. | July 15, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    Not a lawyer but I would imagine no difference. What you are hearing I would surmise is the a$$holes who cannot accept that George Zimmerman was acquitted.

    This will never end; he will forever be known as “the man who got away.”

    From a societal and legal perspective he needed to be acquitted but realize the personal toll George Zimmerman will carry for the rest of his life, for defending his life.

    Many major companies won’t dare hire him for fear of the backlash and having themselves associated with him. And even 10-20 years from now he will be seen as an evil man.

    This might sound kind of bad but he might have been better off serving time if only to get the lynch mob off of his back.

      nomadic100 in reply to fmudd. | July 15, 2013 at 10:57 pm

      fmudd, no matter how much time Zimmerman might have served, it would never have been enough to escape the wrath of the mob.

    Fantasywriter in reply to MarkS. | July 15, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    I’m not a lawyer either, but here is the difference as I understand it. ‘Not Guilty’ means the prosecution failed to prove its case/there was insufficient evidence to convict. ‘Innocent’ means the party absolutely didn’t do it.

      Carol Herman in reply to Fantasywriter. | July 15, 2013 at 9:40 pm

      There’s no check box on the form for “innocent.”

      Just as there’s no check box on our voter forms for “none of the above.”

Angela Corey in one word? EVIL

    CPT. Charles in reply to Mary Sue. | July 15, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Nah… you have to move the ‘e’ slightly… VILE… an old-fashioned word in need of a comeback nowadays.

Check it out..

“God ain’t good all of the time. In fact, sometimes, God is not for us. As a black woman in an (sic) nation that has taken too many pains to remind me that I am not a white man, and am not capable of taking care of my reproductive rights, or my voting rights, I know that this American god ain’t my god. As a matter of fact, I think he’s a white racist god with a problem. More importantly, he is carrying a gun and stalking young black men.”

    Uncle Samuel in reply to JP. | July 16, 2013 at 3:37 am

    The woman is professing something all right – bigotry, bias and the talking points of the leftist feminazis.

    She is a prejudiced and blind to the opportunities and goodness of America and many white men…millions of white men are NOT as racist as she is.

This juror is riveting.

Cooper is SHOCKED that she and the other 5 decided the case on the basis of the last few seconds of the altercation during which the jury felt GZ feared for his life.

He keeps pressing her: What about GZ getting out of the car and following TM, what about him as a wanna-be cop, and the joror is rock solid saying self defense and stand your ground were the only considerations after poring over the confusing judge instructions, discarding 2nd degree and concluding not Guilty was the only possible verdict.

Expect howling from the LSM goons over this.

One word to describe Angela Corey:

So, in a case as plain as this, three of the six ladies were ready right off the bat to convict.

But no, we shouldn’t have been at all worried about an all woman jury, even though Crump was counting on it and O’Mara himself was worried about it.

Thank God for a 50% sanity rate and O’Mara for keeping the others soft enough to turn.

Despite the obvious facts, without a genius lawyer Zimm is toast.

    wyntre in reply to bildung. | July 15, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    That’s not what she said. She said that the jury’s first vote, immediately after the trial, was 3 for conviction and 3 for not guilty.

    But THEN they started to apply the law.

    And it was at that point opinions changed.

    I give them a lot of credit.

    Naturally Toobin can’t BELIEVE she also felt pity for GZ. (A44hat)

    Jury believed it was GZ’s voice on the tape, that TM threw the first punch and GZ was justified in fearing for his life.

    CNN is SHOCKED at how sympathetic the jury was to GZ.

    fmudd in reply to bildung. | July 15, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    I wouldn’t hold it against them (speaking for myself). You have a cursory understanding of the law and the State is shouting off half-truths left and right.

    Sometimes you need someone to guide you in the right direction and say “hold on here, did we look at this?”

    Certainly was a good thing they went home and slept for the night. GZ would have certainly been convicted if they worked all the way through and tried to get it all done in one shot

    Correct on the lawyer. O’Mara is the new Johnny Cochran.


She says she felt sorry for GZ as well as TM. Had no clue of the scope of the case, saw it as a murder case. Didn’t realize how big, political and emotional it had become until after the verdict and she left the hotel.

Then it was like “Disney World.” Lights, cameras police escort.

She’s not scared she says.

One would think these people would be relieved this thing is over and would just go home to sulk and hide in shame for their appalling performance. They continue to argue their case in the media the same way they did during the trial: using emotion, not evidence. That works well in the media. It keeps the troops fired up. Their actions pervert the legal system, and their lies and hyperbole inflame those too lazy to learn the truth. I wish to God something could be done to punish their pathetic and irresponsible behavior. At least the Martins were not in court for the verdict because they knew what the verdict would be. They, of all people, knew their son.

    fmudd in reply to gasper. | July 15, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    I noticed this in trial as well, especially the father (whom Trayvon lived with for most of his life).

    He had this sullen look, not just sadness, but like he knew the verdict. He knew his son was guilty. He was never surprised about anything.

    From day one he knew his son did this (if you go back to the footage of the news clips before this became national you could tell he wasn’t even shocked.) And so, while I do feel bad for a man losing his son, I can’t get over the fact that he tried to sell his son as something he wasn’t, a “saint”. A “good boy”.

    What an honorary thing it would have been, had he simply came out and said “No, my son DID this. And while I wish George Zimmerman didn’t kill him I understand that he HAD to, based on MY son’s actions.”

    What a powerful message that would have sent to America.

    A black man, taking responsibility and really letting America come together.

      robbi in reply to fmudd. | July 15, 2013 at 10:02 pm

      Of course Tracy Martin knew the facts. He had his girlfriend call the detention center where she worked to see if they had picked Trayvon up before he even called the police to report him missing.

        fmudd in reply to robbi. | July 15, 2013 at 10:12 pm

        Interesting. I never even heard that. Wonder how much the media spin would have changed had we known about the weed, the text messages, this little fact, etc.

      MouseTheLuckyDog in reply to fmudd. | July 16, 2013 at 1:37 am

      First of all, I don’t think that Trayvon was a bad kid. I think he was a kid taking a walk on “the dark side”. He wasn’t a thug, though he could have become one depending on what had happened if he had lived.

      I would not be surprised his mother is called “dragon lady” by some of the people that know her, and I think she is not going to have anything bad said about Trayvon.

      I think Tracy kind of knew where his son was ( in life ), but it was finally driven home when he heard the yells in Serino’s office. Remember SInglteton said he looked sad, he hung his head, and he queitly said “no”. I also think he wants to let Trayvon go and get on with life but Sybrina won’t let him. That makes me feel sad for him.

    Uncle Samuel in reply to gasper. | July 16, 2013 at 3:48 am

    A witness in Miami heard TM and SF fighting often. As he left once, he shouted, “I gone kill you, B*tch.”

    Of course, Crump, Corey (and the defense) left out all witnesses regarding TM’s character and the police who were interviewed in MIAMI.

    The Court purposely excluded most of the valid evidence: school record, police record, drugs, fighting, gun shopping, porn, Crump’s manufactured deceptive narrative, the false information the media was using, the ‘slim-jim’ burglar tool found in the bushes at the scene where TM was shot.

    Mendacious and scandalous…if not criminal.


A comment at another site about the public perception of the TM coverage:

“I was in line to board a plane to NYC today. CNN blaring in the background on and on about racism. Guy, a New Yorker, turns to me and says, ” I am so sick of it. The trial is over, and this constant coverage is making it worse! Aren’t you sick of it? ” the young couple ahead of us very quickly nodded their heads.”

Cooper says 2nd part of interview at 10.

She was impressive.

The ever classy Rachel is now up and the first words out of her mouth is the jury decision was BS.

O.M.G. Rachel Jenteal is sitting with Piers Morgan, after a make – over . Not that it worked.//

Rachel on Piers Morgan. She is doing well and she looks very nice with her hair down. Quite sincere…

    Fabi in reply to Fabi. | July 15, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Allow me to walk that back a little.

    graytonb in reply to Fabi. | July 15, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    That odious Piers Morgan is actually patronizing her during the interview, but she doesn’t realize it. He’s deliberately drawing the stupidity out of her mouth.

    graytonb in reply to Fabi. | July 15, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    I don’t care one way or the other about her looks. It’s her obvious lying that gets me.
    And she has a tell…. everytime she tells a big whopper, she sticks her tongue out. Literally.

PS. She still can’t speak in coherent sentences.

txantimedia | July 15, 2013 at 9:05 pm

So, Dr. Jacobson and Andrew Branca, are you guys going to cover the Michael Dunn trial? He’s invoking SYG for killing a 17 year old black man who was unarmed and sitting in the back seat of a car.

RJ: ‘Weed make him go hungry.’ Classic.

Oops. She fumbled the narrative.

Oh Jeezus,

CNN is retrying GZ again. Tag-teaming between Cooper and Piers.

Morgan playing the audio for Juror’s assessment of Rachel and getting her response.

Juror said she felt sorry for Rachel, for her poor communication skills and education.

Morgan playing the teeny violin now eliciting from Rachel that she had a speech problem caused by a jawbone misalignment.

Getting Rachels’s reaction to the juror’s comments: She’s very angry.

Restoking the flames.


This is never going to be over.

    graytonb in reply to wyntre. | July 15, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    I just switched to Fox, where Hannity has the REAL dream team. O’Mara and West.

    graytonb in reply to wyntre. | July 15, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    ‘ never be over ‘.
    not if Sharpton et al can help it.

    graytonb in reply to wyntre. | July 16, 2013 at 12:38 am

    At least until the Nielsons start to tank.

    Uncle Samuel in reply to wyntre. | July 16, 2013 at 4:15 am

    Rachel Jeantel also has an ANGER (and respect) problem which was obvious throughout her entire testimony.

    Many heavy black women have been abused and are very angry, even violent. There are reports of gangs of black females beating up white women all over the country.

    Before anyone gives Jeantel too much credit for virtue, you ought to consider who she was drawn to – angry, violent TM.

Rachel gives Piers Ebonics lessons. Defines:

Creepy ass cracker

And says the jury was racist because they were all white (paraphrasing)

Insists TM was afraid GZ was a rapist. :facepalm:

    Mary Sue in reply to wyntre. | July 15, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    This has to go in some Piers Morgan hall of creepy ass interviews. Now she is trashing dumb blondes. I am beside myself watching this train wreck.

    Uncle Samuel in reply to wyntre. | July 16, 2013 at 4:17 am

    She’s also being mendacious and disingenuous about that, changing and cleaning up the meanings of those terms a lot.

‘And says the jury was racist because they were all white’
Except that, yeah, no.

Mississippi: White Man Beaten By Three Black Men In Retaliation For Zimmerman Verdict, “This Is For Trayvon”…

A man jogging alongside a Mississippi highway was abducted and beaten by three African-American men allegedly in retaliation of the George Zimmerman verdict, police told Fox News.

Senatobia Police Chief Steve Holt told Fox News the victim, who is white, was jogging Sunday night along Highway 51 when the suspects pulled over and ordered him to get inside their car.

“One of them asked, ‘Do you know who Trayvon Martin was?’” Holt said. At that point, the men in the vehicle attacked the victim.

Memphis television station WREG reported the assailants told the victim, “This is for Trayvon.” The television station and The Democrat newspaper reported the jogger was badly beaten and later dropped off on a road between Senatobia and Coldwater, Miss.

Rachel calls Don West’s daughters “dumb blondes.”

Now the Piers Morgan audience is sucking up to Rachel and praising her for her role in the GZ trial.

Rachel says she helped “educate’ the jurors about honesty and doesn’t understand why the jurors were shocked by her using the words nigga and cracka.

    Uncle Samuel in reply to wyntre. | July 16, 2013 at 4:21 am

    Rachel is profiling the West daughters. She is showing bias and prejudice.

    Wonder if they are dumb or high IQ, GPA, etc.

    What is Rachel’s GPA, IQ?

“mind you, I didn’t get no money out of this. My mommy and daddy pay my bills.”

Now she’s trashing GZ.

Now she’s trying to educate parents and telling them not to act dumb. They have to explain creepy ass crackas are rapists and tell their kids to be afraid of them.

And GZ was a creepy ass cracka.

Juror: 5 of 6 believed it was Zimmerman screaming for help (1 not sure)

Yet, 3 wanted to convict Zimmerman.

Square that.

    GRuggiero in reply to Browndog. | July 15, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    One thought it was TM screaming -leans towards 2nd degree murder. Two think its GZ screaming … But manslaughter because the event could have been avoided if he stayed in truck. Three were correct.

    The others changed to not guilty after reading the law.

    Seems ok to me.

      Browndog in reply to GRuggiero. | July 15, 2013 at 9:58 pm

      So, getting out of a truck=manslaughter is “ok with you” and two others?

        GRuggiero in reply to Browndog. | July 15, 2013 at 10:02 pm

        No. It was the right verdict.

        They started with their own thoughts … And the ones that were wrong read the law, and changed appropriately.

        Don’t forget … We knew more than the jury.

    graytonb in reply to Browndog. | July 16, 2013 at 12:41 am

    The three against acquittal were polled in an immediate straw vote. Once they began to delve into the evidence, they listened to the tapes, over and over according to B-37.

The sheriff’s a ni{{{Bonnnng}}}!

Baltimore: Mob Of Black Men Yelling “This Is For Trayvon” Beat Hispanic Man After Zimmerman Verdict…


Via Baltimore Sun:

Baltimore police say they are investigating a witness account that a group of black youths beat a Hispanic man near Patterson Park Sunday while saying, “This is for Trayvon.”

A witness posted the account on a community Facebook page, and police confirmed they are looking into whether the suspects’ reaction to the verdict in the Florida trial of George Zimmerman played a part in the incident. A police report on the beating does not mention the alleged comments.
Sgt. Eric Kowalczyk, a police spokesman, declined to go into further detail.

In a post that drew nearly 50 comments on Facebook, real estate agent Christina Dudley said she was walking to her car just before 9 p.m. when she saw several young black males and two black females chasing a 37-year-old Hispanic man west on North Linwood Avenue past East Fairmont Avenue.

“One of the boys had a handgun out and it was pointed at the back of him,” Dudley said in an interview

    rantbot in reply to wyntre. | July 15, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    So the police will cover it up, for fear that it might provoke an “incident”.

    Just great.

      graytonb in reply to rantbot. | July 16, 2013 at 12:44 am

      Really hope this will not happen, but……..
      When FL records its first ‘ this is for Trayvon’ homicide, will Angela Corey seek to indict?

    Phillep Harding in reply to wyntre. | July 15, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    Yet the police are uncertain as to why he was attacked.

    Oh, my.

    kittycat in reply to wyntre. | July 15, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    It’s crud like this that makes me nervous. My daughter is adopted. She’s part white, part Hispanic, Pacific-Islander. When she was younger, she told me and her daddy, Hey, I’m Heinz 57, just joking. She’s never been against anyone’s skin colors. She’s married to a Hispanic, and they have two daughters. He’s been to Iraq twice, then to Afghanistan, and now home. And I’m concerned that something could happen to them since he’s Hispanic. She’s lighter looking.

    Daiwa in reply to wyntre. | July 15, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    These ‘retaliation attacks’ are what DOJ’s CRD should investigate – people sought out and assaulted for no reason other than their ethnicity or race. I’m told that’s a Federal crime.

    Not holding my breath.

Good lord.

People who annoy you: N_GGERS.


Toobin just blamed republicans for gun violence and stand your ground type incidents. (paraphrasing).

And Morgan didn’t say a word.

    graytonb in reply to wyntre. | July 16, 2013 at 12:48 am

    Morgan’s green card should be revoked and he should go back to the UK, where there’s no violence. Because, gun laws!

Gandalf the Black | July 15, 2013 at 10:01 pm

Half the female panel, left to their own thoughts, believed GZ committed murder. Tell me all about how they did not allow feelings for the dead child trump actual understanding and obeyance to their oath.

I, and many others in this forum, called it. This jury was not to be trusted. That they ended up getting it right does not take away from the fact that they refused to stick to facts in evidence until confronted by peers in a windowless room. And these fools vote.

    No. The juror said that only one of them voted at first for the murder charge, and that the two who initially thought M/S changed their minds as soon as they understood the law.

      Gandalf the Black in reply to graytonb. | July 15, 2013 at 10:07 pm

      Give me a break. M/S is a murder. Three women believed GZ’s actions were felonious – despite mountains of self defense evidence.

        No, you do not get a break for misdefining the law. Murder by definition requires forethought. Manslaughter precludes it, unless you’re in some hinky state legal system where there’s intentional manslaughter.
        Simple M/S in most states carries a drastically reduced penalty, in some cases, even probation in lieu of prison.

        Uncle Samuel in reply to Gandalf the Black. | July 16, 2013 at 4:29 am

        REMEMBER, HALF THE EVIDENCE WAS OMITTED/EXCLUDED (Trayvon’s drugs, violence, burglary, porn, suspensions, etc.) due to the mendacity of various parties in this case!

    I don’t see it like that. It’s not strange that the jurors had an initial emotional reaction and expressed that when they first met to deliberate. But according to the juror interviewed they quickly sat down to study the law, the instructions and how to apply both to the case.

    And they came to the right verdict.

    Matt in FL in reply to Gandalf the Black. | July 15, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    Gandalf, don’t you understand that’s just how it works? Three of them thought he was guilty of something, but they knew nothing of the law. Nelson read the law to them in the jury instructions, but if you think more than 5% of that “stuck” then you’re fooling yourself. So they innately thought he did something wrong, but when presented with the actual law, they realized that they were wrong and did the right thing. That’s how it’s supposed to work.

    I’ll tell you. 3 of the jurors said GZ was not guilty from the start. 1/2 of them. The other half allowed the law to trump their feelings because that was their job.
    All 6 of them did the right thing.

Juror interview Part 2 up now on Cooper.

I lived gated community in South Florida where 60% of the owners where renters. I observed from my home teenagers smoking weed from a bong in front of children. I called the cops, they showed up and did nothing. The next time the same teenagers brought out the pipe, (1 week later) I knew the police would do nothing so I confronted them and told them to take it somewhere else. Then I told the parents.

Two weeks later the same teenagers broke into a foreclosed home to have a party for the seniors from the local high school. I called the police again and they busted them but just called the parents.

One other time a young man exposed himself to young girls shortly after school one day…I saw it…approached him and told him he had just committed a felony since four kids saw it under five years old. He didn’t care.

My 11 year old came home upset and beat up at least a dozen times from the other kids. I sold that place and got the hell out of there.

I live in a one acre gated community where I’m the only residence. Life is much better!

I tried to stand up so I am Zimmerman!

F/U race baiters.

Gandalf the Black | July 15, 2013 at 10:03 pm

Hey Cooper – the knock knock joke was not offered for humor – it was offered to snap the jurors out of the spell cast by BDLR’s open. Guess what? It worked.

    It is a debate tactic. A cognitive trick to bring attention back to your argument and make the audience forget the prior debater. My wife does it all the time.

Serrino saying he thought GZ was telling the truth made a big impression on the jury. They found him very credible.

Toobin was a reasonable judicial analyst at one time, I thought. Now he’s just a tool.

Before the verdict he was saying on CNN “what kind of America do we live in, that an unarmed black kid gets killed while coming home with Skittles and iced tea?”

    Emil de Blatz in reply to avwh. | July 16, 2013 at 1:00 am

    Toobin did a piece in the “Talk of the Town” column in the New Yorker’s first issue after the November 1998 elections. He was explaining that because the GOP had lost some seats in the House, that “Mistah Impeachment, he be daid!” So, Clinton was not going to be impeached. Right.

Watching GZ’s brother on Fox with Greta and man he’s an impressive young man. Well spoken, good looking and very smart.

Robert Zimmerman on Greta. Well spoken, smart.

cjharrispretzer | July 15, 2013 at 10:18 pm

Angela Corey reminds me of Dolores Umbridge from Harry Potter’s Ministry of Truth. That stupid smile and fake-sugary tone of voice is beyond out of line. How is it possible that people allow this woman to be in charge of anything in FL? She is immoral.

Jasmine Rand is a creepy-ass cracka.

cjharrispretzer | July 15, 2013 at 10:20 pm

Oh, and I gag every time I hear people fall all over themselves to praise Rachel Jeantel. She is a sad example of a sub-section of young people in our country. Who cares how “real” she is?
And I love juror B37!! She is me…everything I think about this case is what she thinks.

ProfessionalSpectator | July 15, 2013 at 10:31 pm

I hate myself for doing it, but I watched Angela Corey’s interview. After watching it, I’m absolutely STUNNED. Hearing her words, it’s crystal clear that SHE, a Florida State’s Attorney, does not understand the law of self defense. At the very least, she doesn’t grasp the subjective element of it. If anyone needs to buy Mr. Andrew Branca’s book, it’s Angela Corey.

    Uncle Samuel in reply to ProfessionalSpectator. | July 16, 2013 at 4:37 am

    No, she does not respect the Law nor the Legal and Civil Rights of her victims.

    More importantly, she does not obey the law.

    She is doubly liable for her crimes.

Alberto Gonzalez and Greta just discussed a very interesting point.

IF Holder proceeds (or tries to proceed) with Civil Rights charges against GZ what will his racial designation be?

Gonzalez says GZ is clearly Hispanic, just like his sons are Hispanic, and just like Potus is AA.. I wasn’t aware that Hispanics were deemed capable of racism against blacks in the Civil Rights Laws. Let me rephrase that, I thought the Civil Rights Law mainly addresses white on black racism.

I’m glad someone of substance is finally discussing this inconvenient truth that the LSM did their best to bury, even going so far as to invent new designations like white Hispanic.

If that’s a new racial identifier that so is black African American.


    Rand in reply to wyntre. | July 16, 2013 at 12:22 am

    I can almost guarantee that he is classified as Hispanic according to Federal rules. I don’t even have to look it up to be pretty sure.

      Rand in reply to Rand. | July 16, 2013 at 12:25 am

      The worst one I heard was that he was a “self-proclaimed Hispanic”. Can you imagine if a news article referred to Obama as a “self-proclaimed Black?”

    Neo in reply to wyntre. | July 16, 2013 at 1:09 am

    I did say that the NAACP was trying to make Hispanics into Republicans.

    Uncle Samuel in reply to wyntre. | July 16, 2013 at 2:40 am

    As Holder (Obama, Sharpton, et al) would apply it – the Civil Rights of Black African Americans TRUMPS those of any other ethnicity, including Spanish, Asians, Native Americans, Whites, etc.?

    We knew Obama and Holder were schooled in the Black Supremacist movement – BUT THIS will make it very clear to all Americans where these two stand and whose Civil Rights are take priority to the President and Attorney General of the USA.

    Eye-opening and a potential violation of Zimmerman’s Civil Rights and those of every other American.


    PackerBronco in reply to wyntre. | July 16, 2013 at 3:34 am

    George Zimmerman is about 100 times more Hispanic than Elizabeth Warren is a Native American.

    wyntre in reply to wyntre. | July 16, 2013 at 7:52 am


    white African American

    Skookum in reply to wyntre. | July 16, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Hispanic is an ethnicity; white is a race. Thus, the phrase “white hispanic” is correct in describing someone, for example, from Spain.

    However, racially, GZ is black, Native American, and white: therefore, the proper way to categorize him is hispanic multiracial.

    What we are seeing from the Left is despicable multiracism.

The answer to Angela Corey coming out on National TV and calling George Zimmerman a “murderer” is this:

If he is a murderer, then you and your team of prosecutors are incompetent for being unable to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

I’m wondering how long it is before someone files ethics charges against Corey with the Florida Bar Association. I think that George Zimmerman has a better than average chance at seeing a petition that Corey be disbarred for bringing a case that she KNEW could not be proved beyond a reasonable doubt (in violation of the ethics laws, a case not supported by the law or the evidence).

Gandalf the Black | July 15, 2013 at 10:42 pm

See? They ignored the entirely clear self-defense verbiage. They insisted on looking for extraneous applications.

A while ago I was riding the public transit train home from a conference. An elderly black gentleman was seated two rows up from me. Three young blacks got on the train, talking loudly. The (appeared to be) youngest one was relating a story about a conflict he had with another person, and every other word was nigga. “I see that nigga again, I’m gonna beat his nigga ass.”

I was appalled. I couldn’t help but feel sorry for the elderly black man ahead of me. I came within inches of saying to them, “Do you realize that people DIED so that people were never have to hear that word again? Do you realize that the gentleman sitting ahead of me has had that word directed at him many times in his life? How can you use that word when it is so insulting to the older generation?”

I suppose they would have beat me up if I had said something.

Juror B37 is confused. When asked by Piers which witness she found most credible, she answered that it was the Vietnam medic vet who was the medical examiner for the defense. I believe she has conflated John Donnelly with Vincent Di Maio. Give a listen beginning around 1:30 in part 1.

By the way, what’s with all the comments about Angela Corey when this is a post about Juror B37?

Hannity’s interview with MOM and West – part 1 –

    kittycat in reply to txantimedia. | July 16, 2013 at 12:40 pm


    Thanks for that interview link. It was really good. Last night I couldn’t sleep and got up and listened to the last part of Hannity, and then the interview with Robert, Jr. with Greta. It was really good. George’s brother is a nice guy.

Carol Herman | July 15, 2013 at 10:53 pm

Okay. The Cooper (gee, he got old) Anderson interview begins and this juror asks: WHY DID THEY PICK ME.

And, immediately I thought of Don West’s Knock Knock joke. Not sure, but I believe this woman is married to a lawyer.

So? Well, couldn’t he be at home looking here to see what was analyzed? They’re both prepared to write a book! Will it be written by: ANONYMOUS JUROR?

Hannity’s interview with MOM and West – part 2 –

Despite most experts seeing the state losing from the 1st day Angela Corey-Nifong never thought they were losing. Whats that tell you about her cognitive function. I know most posters here on Legal Insurrection never thought they were winning. From day 1 there case went downhill to the closing arguments when they were begging the jurors to think with their hearts. BDLR yelling at the jury “armpits, armpits”! to saying “Skittles that he didn’t even steal from the 7-11, that he legitimately bought!” LMAO

I re-watched BDLR’s closing today now that trial is over and could watch without jaundiced eye. What a spectacle. Definitely good for a laugh, although I would hate to think this is normal behavior for a prosecutor, where they lie or twist evidence just to win a trial.

    Chuck912 in reply to styro1. | July 16, 2013 at 12:52 am

    The high point of the prosecution’s case was West’s ‘knock knock’ joke. All downhill from that point.

      kittycat in reply to Chuck912. | July 16, 2013 at 12:44 pm

      I think, if I’m not mistaken, that I heard Don West say that the “knock, knock” joke was a private understanding between him, Zimmerman, and O’Mara. They understand what he meant, but it may also have to do with the fact that they know the REAL George Zimmerman, not the false GZ that the MSM talk about.

    Uncle Samuel in reply to styro1. | July 16, 2013 at 2:49 am

    Her ideological beliefs dominate her cognitive capacity. It is called bias blindness.

    Or she could be narcissistic like some other persons in high office.

    Wearing a toe ring to court is a signal that something’s a’kilter under the old Tam O’Shanter.

    Twanger in reply to styro1. | July 16, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Ha! Kinda moot because she’d never admit it even if she did think they were losing.

Excellent interview by the jurist, and am just too upset to watch Corey.

Living between two large EC cities and reports already in of people being beaten by groups of black men “For Trayvon”

I want Every Single One of these Fully Investigated as Hate Crimes.

Shame on the prosecutors, Shame on the media, Shame on All Adminstration causing this.

Rachel Geantel interview with Piers Morgan – part 1 –

part 2 –

Oh and Shame on Branca for leaving DC out of his book DamnitAll.

not_surprised | July 15, 2013 at 11:17 pm

Well, it’s starting.. Holder announced renewed support in the ongoing investigation of Zimmerman, and this evening Folk in L.A. are taking to the streets in what I think is the beginning. NAACP conference in Orlando this week will seal the deal by Saturday night, if Orlando still stands by then.

Thanks in advance to Obama, Holder, Scott and Corey!

    Carol Herman in reply to not_surprised. | July 15, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    Holder is appealing to the one and only base in this country that supports him. And, they’re black.

    Not the first time someone in the hole keeps digging.

    Not the first time you can see the fallacies in arguments that appeal to emotions.

      You all are having way too much fun with this. I know it’s hard to resist making fun of the imbeciles. You should all be nice……………

      Oh heck. Might as well enjoy it while it lasts.

      Skookum in reply to Carol Herman. | July 16, 2013 at 11:04 am

      “Not the first time you can see the fallacies in arguments that appeal to emotions.”

      There is a reason ‘Rats hang their hats on that fallacy — it works. For example, the juror interviewed last night by Anderson Cooper said at the first poll of the jury only 3 of the 6 voted “not guilty” based on the State’s presentation of evidence this was insufficient to support a valid indictment. The State’s appeal to emotion resulted in two jurors voting for manslaughter! and one for murder 2. Zimmerman was lucky that three of the women were not emotional twits.

    It’s getting ugly in LA.

    Obviously, we need one of Obama’s “wonder speeches” where he “changes the course of mighty rivers, bends steel in his bare hands, and who …”

    I wonder if the TOTUS is still up to it.

      Akatsukami in reply to Neo. | July 16, 2013 at 5:39 am

      It could get very ugly indeed. ISTR that Mexican gangs have been waging a campaign of…let me be polite and call it “ethnic cleansing”…against blacks in LA for the past twenty years. At least one of the men beaten “for Trayvon” is Hispanic. What happens when a Mexican or two is beaten, even killed, by black thugs?

      Twanger in reply to Neo. | July 16, 2013 at 4:58 pm

      Since Obama can control the weather, surely he can calm down this little storm.

Well, that jurist interview was a bit scary.
I liked most of what she said, ie. race was not an element, George had a good heart, no problem with him being armed, etc.

But, it was disconcerting to here the jury was split 3-3 on the first vote!

She, B37, also screwed up several parts of the testimony, which bothered me, but, in the end, they did come up with the correct verdict.

I really wish A. Cooper would have asked her if she was aware of the photos, the texts, the evidence of burglary of poor little Trayvon. I would really like to hear what the jury says when they find all that out.

    robbi in reply to fogflyer. | July 15, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    A. Cooper would ask that when Florida has a snowstorm in July.

      fogflyer in reply to robbi. | July 15, 2013 at 11:36 pm

      I am sure you are correct,
      But I sure wish that someone would let these ladies know about all the evidence that didn’t make it into the trial that shows that George’s instincts about Treyvon were dead accurate. These ladies obviously feel a lot of angst about the difficult decision they had to make, and I think it will ease their minds when they find out the truth about Trayvon.

      I am so tired of hearing everyone say that Trayvon was not doing anything wrong that night (before he attacked George), when we really don’t know that at all. Given Trayvon’s past, the extended length of his 7-11 trip, his odd behavior noticed by George, the Slim Jim found in the bushes, I think it is actually quite likely that Trayvon was indeed up to no good that night, exactly as George suspected.

        jayjerome66 in reply to fogflyer. | July 16, 2013 at 12:42 am

        Maybe scouting the terrain for future visits…

        JackRussellTerrierist in reply to fogflyer. | July 16, 2013 at 12:45 am

        The juror was pretty clear and firm that GZ was right and had a right to notice TM’s behavior and, given the recent crime in the neighborhood, GZ’s suspicion was warranted, assuming GZ’s observations of TM were as GZ said they were. With that, she said that GZ’s story jibed with the evidence and his rendition of the facts were believable and accurate. The fact that Serino believed GZ was of great impact on her.

        Lady Penguin in reply to fogflyer. | July 16, 2013 at 5:09 am

        I don’t doubt that they know by now. Especially this juror, who’s husband is a lawyer. He has likely been researching everything available on the participants in this trial, and that would include Trayvon Martin, in absentia.

        Maybe he has been reading LI, and Andrew Branca’s excellent coverage, which was complimented by the insightful knowledge of many of the commenters. LI and Professor Jacobson have set a high bar.

        guycocoa in reply to fogflyer. | July 16, 2013 at 12:09 pm

        He even BOUGHT the Skittles, isn’t that enough to know that TM had goodness in his heart?

          mhny in reply to guycocoa. | July 16, 2013 at 5:49 pm

          I am shocked, shocked that the racialists involved in this matter didn’t jump on him for that – it was perhaps one of the most racist moments of the entire case. What gives him the right to assume that all black people steal from 7/11?

    rspung in reply to fogflyer. | July 15, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    tat’s the question that needs to be addressed. when while somebody put all the pieces together that didn’t get into the trial? trayvon kicked out of school, kicked out of his mom’s house, losing his girlfriend for fighting too much, dealing and doing drugs, talking about fighting all the time, caught with stolen goods, etc.

    some idiot last night was tweeting that trayvon had a 3.7 gpa, had already been accepted into college, did 700 hours a year community service…

    the lies perpetrated by the media and corrupt race-baiters are driving this country insane.

      JackRussellTerrierist in reply to rspung. | July 16, 2013 at 12:48 am

      I’ve seen that crap drifting around, too. In addition, they’re claiming GZ was on psychotropic drugs, had been to jail for wife-beating, etc., etc., etc..

      Spiny Norman in reply to rspung. | July 16, 2013 at 1:30 am

      Was that “idiot last night” Benjamin Crump?

    VetHusbandFather in reply to fogflyer. | July 16, 2013 at 1:34 am

    I’m not surprised the jury was split on the first vote. My guess is that it was a first take, and probably very emotional. Before they even discussed the case, they probably took a poll to see where everyone was at. From the sound of it, none of them really seemed to think that George was ‘guilty’ of murder, they just though he did ‘something’ wrong and should be punished. But after looking at the requirements for Murder 2, Manslaughter, and Self Defense there wasn’t any evidence to justify any of those charges. This juror still walked away thinking that GZ was wrong for following TM, but at least she understood that there was nothing illegal about what he did, and that it does not legally justify TM attacking GZ.

    dms in reply to fogflyer. | July 16, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Juror B37 decided to not write the book. i think a book would make good reading. that’s too bad.

“Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy.” – James Cone; mentor of Jeremiah Wright & Barack Obama.

That was supposed to nest to its parent comment.

Sry, great coverage of the trials, but this comment system sucks.

Scary stuff, that she conflated witness testimony, and that they started out 3-3 on not guilty vs guilty.

I could only take about 4 mins of it before I had to turn it off. It’s almost a miracle they got to the right verdict.

    txantimedia in reply to avwh. | July 15, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    Good grief, guys. You have someone who has never been on national TV before, who has just finished being sequestered for three weeks only to find out that there are riots over the verdict, and you expect her to remember with perfect accuracy all the evidence from the trial when she was only exposed to over the past three weeks and we’ve been discussing it for 16 months?

    Your standards are FAR too high. They came to the right verdict. There’s nothing at all scary about that.

      fogflyer in reply to txantimedia. | July 16, 2013 at 12:09 am

      We didn’t hear the testimony before she did. We heard it at the same time.
      Plus, that was her ONLY job for the last 3 weeks. She took notes. Got to review them.

      I was working full time, taking care of the house, etc. and I remember the specifics of the testimony better than she does apparently.

      I am not saying it is a big deal, and in fairness maybe she was just nervous being on TV, but yeah, it bothered me that I picked out three inaccuracies in that short interview.

        Matt in FL in reply to fogflyer. | July 16, 2013 at 12:17 am

        Most (upwards of 90%) of that testimony only confirmed under oath what I’d already heard and understood. (Granted I’d followed this case since the beginning.) She heard it once (plus repetitions), took some notes, and then went into a little room and went over some of it for a few hours. I fully expect that I’d have a better command of the details than her.

        JackRussellTerrierist in reply to fogflyer. | July 16, 2013 at 12:55 am

        Fog, so what if she conflated two witnesses? They were both defense witnesses and Donnelly had been a medic, so she got the two separate medical connections conflated. It’s no big deal.

        She mostly got it right. I disagree with her that GZ should not have left his truck, but she at least acknowledged that the dispatcher was asking him questions that he could only answer by leaving his truck.

        Give her a break. She also said she’d be fine with GZ being on NW in her neighborhood and that he has every right to have his gun back.

        She did well, considering what she’s had to do.

          It’s not a big deal.
          I didn’t mean to make it seem like one.

          In addition to confusing the two witnesses, she also said she didn’t know why the dispatcher didn’t just tell George to stay in his truck. The dispatch guy was quite clear that they don’t have the authority to make demands like that and that they are specifically told not to do that as it would open them up to liability.

          Seeing as George getting out of the truck is such a major issue in this case (for most people), I was just surprised that she did not have a better understanding of what the dispatcher actually testified too.

          That was may main area of concern.

          she’s not mark o’mara. that man is some kind of alien. i was just amazed at how he handled that closing without so much as a note-over 3 hours with all the interruption.

      LadyGrey in reply to txantimedia. | July 16, 2013 at 12:35 am

      Anderson Cooper gracefully let it go but even he knew it was George’s friend. I actually had to go verify it for myself from the witness list to make sure it was 2 different people. So I can see how it could happen with so many witnesses to remember. If one WAS to mistakenly conflate two witnesses those were probably two of the best witnesses to conflate.

      But I respectfully disagree with you that our standards are too high. When a man’s fate hangs in your hands I would want those standards to be the highest possible. Mark O’Mara alluded to that in his closing statements

        cjharrispretzer in reply to LadyGrey. | July 16, 2013 at 1:24 am

        There’s no way she really in her mind had Dr. DiMaio mixed up with Mr. Donnelly. She knew who she was talking about but just misspoke. Give her a break.

Watching Anderson Crapper interview that juror, all I could think of was:

“OH the sweet irony!”

She said George had a “good heart”!!!

Remember Guy’s rebuttal for the prosecution???

He said: “Use your heart. Look into George’s heart.” Repeatedly.

Wow that backfired big time, didn’t it?

The jurors or at least some of them decided that George “meant well” even if he didn’t do everything he was sposed to…he had a “good heart.”

LOL Guy you idiot.

    txantimedia in reply to Marco100. | July 15, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    Very astute observation.

    jayjerome66 in reply to Marco100. | July 16, 2013 at 12:47 am

    I think the woman witness who told of George’s reaction after her home invasion sealed the deal

      JackRussellTerrierist in reply to jayjerome66. | July 16, 2013 at 1:05 am

      That discussion came on AC’s question to her as to whether she thought GZ was a wannabe cop. She said no, I think he’s somebody who wants to help other people because he has a caring heart (words to that effect). Then she spoke of GZ giving Bertalan a lock for her door, giving her the phone numbers, inviting her offered to the house to talk or have dinner if she felt stressed or afraid. I believe she also said the other jurors believed the same way.

      It was clear that the jury saw through the “EVIL George” smoke the State was blowing and recognized him for what he is.

      That was a masterful accomplishment for MOM – to make that aspect of GZ shine through, especially without GZ testifying. I think MOM made that possible by choosing accomplished, humble, dignified witnesses that revealed GZ’s true character.

    dms in reply to Marco100. | July 16, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    guy’s closing was so cheesy. his look after the verdict put a smile on my face-looked like he had just smoked a turd.

One other thought for the night. I am very glad there were no black jurors. Had there been, they would be assaulted with “Uncle Tom” and “race traitor” pejoratives until it drove them insane. I wouldn’t wish that on ANY black person. Remember the treatment Joe Oliver received? Quadruple that and you might have some idea what a black juror would have gone through.

Because the verdict still would have been not guilty.

    fogflyer in reply to txantimedia. | July 16, 2013 at 12:17 am

    Hey TX,
    I think you were one of the ones saying you didn’t have as much faith as me when I was always pretty adamant that these ladies would come back with a full acquittal ( sorry if you weren’t one of those saying that, I don’t really remember)

    Well, now I have to say to you that I am the one that doesn’t have that kind of faith. I would certainly like to think that if there were one or two black jurors that the verdict would have been the same, but I am afraid that I don’t really believe that.

The most disturbing part to me was that one of them actually thought it was Trayvon screaming for help. That was one fact that I thought was absolutely clear. At least as much as anything can be without being there or having physical evidence.

    fogflyer in reply to Voluble. | July 16, 2013 at 12:19 am

    To be fair, she didn’t say the juror thought it WAS Trayvon, just that she wasn’t sure and it might have been Trayvon.

VetHusbandFather | July 16, 2013 at 12:27 am

Anyone watch the RJ interview? She’s still keeping up the lies:

“Trayvon was never an aggressive or angry person.”
“Trayvon was not a Thug.”
“I don’t take weed.”

Does she think people can’t see her social media postings?

    But you forgot the best one…

    “Cracka” actually means a security guard! LOL!

      VetHusbandFather in reply to fogflyer. | July 16, 2013 at 12:34 am

      Oh I haven’t got there yet. Paused it to write a few comments, I think I’m almost there though.

      VetHusbandFather in reply to fogflyer. | July 16, 2013 at 12:45 am

      Notice he asks her to spell Cracker and she kinda mumbles for a bit, and he comes in to the rescue. What a jerk, doesn’t he know ‘her generation’ can’t write.

      wyntre in reply to fogflyer. | July 16, 2013 at 8:01 am

      when paired with creepy-a$$ it also means rapist.

    Uncle Samuel in reply to VetHusbandFather. | July 16, 2013 at 3:06 am

    Jeantel’s online posts tell about her difficulty being sober, whether it is weed or lean or cocaine or meth or plain old alcohol, it is something that makes her high.

VetHusbandFather | July 16, 2013 at 12:33 am

Lol RJ says she’s “angry and upset” because juror B37 called her uneducated and lacking in communication skills. What a meanie… just because she claimed to be illiterate in court doesn’t mean she’s uneducated. It’s normal for people with her background to not know how to read and write… that doesn’t mean they are uneducated!

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to VetHusbandFather. | July 16, 2013 at 1:11 am

    I doubt that RJ can write a first-grade sentence such as “I have a cat.” without screwing it up, and I doubt that she can add a pair of numbers with a sum greater than 9.

      cjharrispretzer in reply to JackRussellTerrierist. | July 16, 2013 at 1:31 am

      I have a 10yr old autistic son who can communicate better than she can. There is no excuse for this woman, except a small one for her “underbite.” That does not explain her inability to form a complete sentence, or to use words appropriately. Why are so many making excuses for her? That won’t help her in her life.

        VetHusbandFather in reply to cjharrispretzer. | July 16, 2013 at 1:42 am

        I know… there are a lot of people that seem to be trying to hold her up as a ‘brave and dignified’ woman at this point. Before they try and make her into a ‘hero’ for modern young women, they really need to think about what they are wishing on those women.

I see she still only has a passing acquaintance with the truth.. Apparently she has forgotten what her response was to what Creepy *ss Cracka was. It’s all on tape, if she needs to refresh her memory. LOL

Piers is trying so desperately to help her keep her new story straight. I’m sure it will evolve further as time goes by.

The most telling thing about her interview however is she has lawyered up. Is she worried about perjurying herself again?

VetHusbandFather | July 16, 2013 at 12:43 am

The most depressing thing about this whole interview is when Rachel Jeanteal talks about ‘her generation’, because it’s true. I look at the generation that I belong to (I’m in my 20’s by the way) and what I see worries me greatly. Blind sheep following the dogma of popular culture and instead of thinking for themselves, always doing what is required to ‘fit in’. I remember the GWB years, when dissent was popular and young people wanted to fight against the system. Now it’s assimilate or else. I hope that as my generation grows older and finally enters the workforce they will slowly become wiser. Otherwise there really is no hope for our democracy.

VetHusbandFather | July 16, 2013 at 12:49 am

“why he wanna burglar there? he don’t know nobody there”

What a great defense! I can’t believe the prosecution didn’t use that one, what amateurs! What kind of crazy person would steal stuff from people they don’t know.

    Well we know according to Bernie: ““Skittles that he didn’t even steal from 7-11!”.

    HEY, Bernie was profiling Trayvon. Maybe Erik Holder can file a civil suit against him!

VetHusbandFather | July 16, 2013 at 12:57 am

Whoa… another smoking gun that the prosecution missed. Trayvon had an “Android” and for someone to hit the screen and hang up the call on the “Android” there must have been a struggle and someone was on top of Trayvon. Otherwise the “Android” would not have “Clicked Off”. Did the Jury know about this? That’s a game change, throws self-defense right out the window.

Sorry, I’m in a sarcastic mood tonight.

    Admiral Ackbar in reply to VetHusbandFather. | July 16, 2013 at 1:44 am

    I know how you feel. I work for a large hotel chain that has a communal break room and this interview was airing when I was taking my break. EVERYONE else was “aha”ing and slapping each others backs for being on the side of “justice”. One guy says very loudly “THIS is how I think it went down” (meaning the events leading up to the shooting) and proceeds to go on a long diatribe…blah blah, skittles, blah blah, just trying to get home, blah blah, scared kid…
    Sounded a lot like BDLR’s closing statement, and not having a shred of evidence to back any of it up.
    I had to run out of there before I lost it. You’re right about “this generation” too, I’m also in my 20’s and I pray that a vast percentage of my peers wise up with age in the next decade or else we’ll be weathering a hell of a storm.

      VetHusbandFather in reply to Admiral Ackbar. | July 16, 2013 at 1:53 am

      Yup. I grow increasingly annoyed with hearing the opinions of other people on this case or anything else political for that matter. They say all sorts of things about injustice, racism, and killing children, but I know none of these people actually followed the case. Most of them didn’t even bother listening to the biased MSNBC reporting on the case. All they know is that P. Diddy and Beyonce tweeted something about African Americans not getting a fair shot at justice in America, and gosh darn it, that must be the truth of the matter.

        NavyMustang in reply to VetHusbandFather. | July 16, 2013 at 6:20 am

        “All they know is that P. Diddy and Beyonce tweeted something about African Americans not getting a fair shot at justice in America…”

        My, oh my! The irony is thick with that statement of oh so wonderful Beyonce and P. Diddy.

SkepticalBeliever | July 16, 2013 at 1:10 am

From the associated AP story:

“The juror said Sanford Police Detective Chris Serino made a big impression on her, because he would have been accustomed to dealing with murders and similar cases. He would have known how to spot a liar, and yet he testified that he believed Zimmerman, the juror said.”

WOW. Was that not the very testimony the judge struck from the record and told the jury to ignore? Blame the prosecution for objecting to the question the day after it was answered instead of the second after it was asked. Boom: case collapsed.

Now we learn once again that juries are just a throw of the dice. I wonder why Florida only has 6 jurors? Is the theory that you might get less numb nuts? They got the right verdict, but it looks almost like dumb luck.

I would love for Zimmerman to sue Crump, the NAACP, and Al for racial harassment. I would also like to see the prosecution and Corey behind bars.

I agree with MOM if Zimmerman had been black this would not be happening and if Trayvon had been white and called Zimmerman by the racial names he used they would be crowing that justice was served by the racist thug being killed.

    VetHusbandFather in reply to Sunlight78. | July 16, 2013 at 1:57 am

    I was happy to hear Juror B37 say that she though GZ would have responded the same way regardless of whether TM was Black, White, Hispanic, or whatever. It’s clear from the tapes that GZ was profiling his actions not his appearance. Clearly she understands that teenagers ‘hurrying home to watch the All-Star game’ usually aren’t loitering around the backs of condos in a rainstorm.

    Uncle Samuel in reply to Sunlight78. | July 16, 2013 at 3:14 am

    Crump, Parks, Jackson and Julison should be the first indictments after Corey, BLDR, et al are fired and indicted and a Special Prosecutor is hired.

    Sharpton, NBPP, Spike Lee should be indicted.


Guys, she’s not too far off the mark. DiMaio is also a military veteran.

    BannedbytheGuardian in reply to steffmckee. | July 16, 2013 at 5:30 am

    Yes that was my first impression.. I take special notice of ex military docs especially those that have served in combat zone.

Uncle Samuel | July 16, 2013 at 3:20 am

I have a dream that this case will be the downfall of the Race Industry, and those who use it to lie, steal, and kill.

They have created and perpetuated the ghettos, fatherless children, enslaved to violence, drugs, sex, ignorance and poverty.

The race-mongers have killed millions of young blacks….all for their own power and greed!

Evil people.

VetHusbandFather | July 16, 2013 at 3:35 am

I still have to wonder. Do you think that TM was really in a relationship with RJ? Was she ‘catfishing’ him or something, and that’s why she was afraid to go public? I mean she doesn’t really rank in terms of intellect, beauty or personality. I can’t imagine why he’d want to talk to her on the phone ‘all day long’. And I’m still waiting for another jealous girlfriend to come out of the woodwork.

    Uncle Samuel in reply to VetHusbandFather. | July 16, 2013 at 4:47 am

    Evidently, according to reports, he was jilted by Miami girl friend about the time he was suspended and sent to Sanford, compounding his rage.

      gospace in reply to Uncle Samuel. | July 16, 2013 at 4:38 pm

      According to other reports and apparently tweets from Trayvon’s “friends”, she was catfishing. No one has yet asked- “When did you meet Trayvon?” Would be interesting to watch her fumble that question.

I believe RT believes what she says; but this interview appears staged. I keep waiting for the confetti and balloons to come out.

NavyMustang | July 16, 2013 at 6:04 am

Well, Dr. DiMaio was in the Army DURING Vietnam. Maybe she thought she thought the years he served meant that he was IN Vietnam. In DiMaio’s testimony, even though his being in the military added to his bona fides, it didn’t really move the case forward. So, I can see that she didn’t really focus on that factoid.

On the other hand, Donnelly’s Vietnam experience was the lynchpin of his testimony.

Mister Natural | July 16, 2013 at 6:47 am

RE: Rachel Jeantel
Is she really what MLK gave his life for? How sad. How very sad.
Miss Dee Dee is the model of too many of the modern black american community
She is the overt symptom of the very deep pathology that is today’s african american subculture.
She’s the new and improved AA model 2013.
She’s the “jewel of the ‘hood”

Mister Natural | July 16, 2013 at 7:28 am

Profiling. When the president calls for “calm” in the aftermath of the jury speaking, he is profiling. When police departments call in the manpower, put special command units into specific locations, and beef up for potential demonstrations or rioting, they are profiling. When celebs and rap stars use social media to put out irresponsible incantations to bad behavior, they are profiling by the gov’t authorites
“They are, in fact, profiling far more invidiously than anything George Zimmerman was accused of.
Their presumption is that the African-American community is immature, impulsive, prone to violence and incapable of understanding the nuances of the case. More volatile and less rational, this community demands special attention in order to nurse it through an emotional crisis, spare it and us from irreparable damage. It is, in fact, based on an us/them dichotomy.” by S.H.

Uncle Samuel | July 16, 2013 at 8:32 am

Greta schools Crump law firm attorney (and social engineer, so she claims):

I’ve seen Jeantel described as … “She’s so marble-mouthed”

Come on. Jeantel is the Gabby Johnson (of Blazing Saddles fame) of our time.

Olson Johnson: [after Gabby Johnson’s speech] Now who can argue with that? I think we’re all indebted to Gabby Johnson for clearly stating what needed to be said. I’m particulary glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age.

Jeantel: authentic modern-day gibberish

[…] had “no doubt” that George Zimmerman feared for his life. The juror went on to say that 5 out of 6 jurors belied it was George Zimmerman who was screaming.  The female juror stated that she believes […]

Mr. West explained why he told his joke. What he didn’t tell you, but should have been obvious, the jurors were chosen because they had not heard of Zimmerman or Trayvon.

Carol Herman | July 16, 2013 at 2:06 pm

Not only was it Zimmerman screaming for help, the gunshot BANG stopped the need for Zimmerman to keep on screaming for help. Because you can see that right there the fighting stopped

This whole case of the prosecution’s had been ROTTEN! They knew that the SCREAMING was Zimmerman’s right off the bat! And, it’s here that the Black Outrage Machine began! Evidence was hidden from the Defense.

Erasing even Trayvon’s correct age. His interest in fighting. And, drug usage. Even his suspension (3rd one) from his high school.

Did you know when Tracy Martin and his girlfriend Brandi came home from their night on the town, and Travon wasn’t there, the first call the dad, Tracy, makes is to Juvenile Detention. Because he thought they picked up his son for breaking some infraction of da’ law. Only after learning he wasn’t picked up the night before, did Tracy Martin call the police.

Mark O’Mara didn’t like the Knock Knock joke. But I thought it immediately showed why so many people dred getting a juror’s summons. Ask people who’ve sat through Voir Dire. (My son just did. Before this trial. And, he said it seemed to him the lawyers were looking for meek people.)

Sounds like Jeantel is the one who profiled George and egged TM on to take care of that cracka.