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Boston lock-down exposes gun culture divide

Boston lock-down exposes gun culture divide

Most Americans believe that having a gun in the home makes you safer:

A Washington Post-ABC News poll — not a Rasmussen or some Rove outfit, but the Post and an alphabet network — finds that by a wide margin, more Americans believe that having a gun in the home makes it safer than not. It’s not even close. A majority — 51% — believe that having a gun in the home makes that home safer. Only 29% believe the opposite.

During the lock-down of Boston yesterday there was a fair amount of Twitter chatter about whether people in Boston would feel safer if Massachusetts did not have such onerous gun laws.

That set off some pretty hostile reactions.

But no reactions were more hostile than to this tweet by Arkansas state representative Nate Bell:

Twitter - @NateBell4AR - Mass Liberals

The tweet set off firestorm, leading Bell to delete the tweet (and hence the hundreds of negative reactions).  He later apologized.  (The apology is not deleted.)

I happened to grab the tweet and reaction before it was deleted (embedded below).  It’s worth a read to see the reactions.

One stood out for me.

It was from Gina Mosca of Boston, using the Twitter handle @GinaFly.  It too has been deleted, but I captured it as part of the full twitter stream:

Twitter - @GinaFly - We are wealthy

Like I said, a cultural divide exposed.

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As someone affected by the lockdown, I was less afraid of the shooters/bombers than I was afraid of what the police might do if I did not comply.

    … but could you imagine the hue and cry if a Republican President sent the FBI to Boston and shutdown the city ?

    Michael Moore was about the only Democrat to stay in character yesterday, when he started whining about two teenagers shutting down the city of Boston.

What if …? The cops were lucky. They didn’t have the guy surrounded. He hid out all day. Had he not been wounded, he might have escaped. This was on my mind even though I’m 35 mi west of Boston.

Who wouldn’t want to have a gun, just in case?

    ThomasD in reply to JerryB. | April 20, 2013 at 10:21 am

    The cops were lucky, but so were the residents of that neighborhood. Had he not been wounded he might have chosen to force entrance into a house. Given his displayed willingness to shoot cops and blow up children I don’t think any such occupants would have fared well.

    Thankfully, it appears, he was neither mentally nor physically up for any sort of fight.

    Neo in reply to JerryB. | April 20, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    Interestingly or not, it wasn’t until the police had (sort of) given up at 6PM that the homeowner went outside to notice the boat wrappings askew. If he had ignored the “lock-down”, perhaps this would have ended even sooner.

    bobh in reply to JerryB. | April 21, 2013 at 6:46 am

    They weren’t even faced with trying to catch a “Rambo”. The only reason a hostage situation didn’t occur is that the kid didn’t know what he was doing, he just got scared and hid. Imagine this situation with a more mature, much better trained terrorist running loose.
    I have a lot of respect for law enforcement, but not enough for me to depend on them anywhere near 100%.

go fuck your cousin

but, I thought that it was the private choice of individuals whom one wanted to engage sexually. Does this mean that Liberals can screw their two wives, dogs or what ever but that Conservatives must be characterized as cousin-fuckers.

    TrooperJohnSmith in reply to [email protected]. | April 20, 2013 at 9:56 am

    That is an attempt to separate themselves culturally from us. The conservative corollary would be, “go f— your domestic partner”. Or, “go f— your kid’s other daddy”. 😆

    Juba Doobai! in reply to [email protected]. | April 20, 2013 at 10:00 am

    She’s ‘wealthy and educated’ and that’s the best she could come up with, a dumb stereotype of pro-2nd Amendment folks as incestuous hillbillies. Wow! It takes a lot of education to to make that jump!

      JayDick in reply to Juba Doobai!. | April 20, 2013 at 10:50 am

      Could the “educated” part be part of her problem? I bet I can guess the kind of institution where she was educated. I wonder if she is wealthy enough to afford a full-time armed bodyguard. That’s the only way a sane person could feel comfortable without a gun in this kind of situation.

    Wasn’t it a liberal academic who was fucking his adult daughter?

    “LIKE” !!!!!

    American conservatives do not recognize “fuck your cousin” as a normal behavior. Perhaps Mosca is displacing her own dysfunctional behaviors onto others.

    Actually, conservatives generally acknowledge the principles of evolution, and pursue genetic diversification through expansion of their families. Ideally, they do not engage in incestuous, homosexual, bestial, etc. behaviors.

    That said, principles serve as guides, but they cannot guarantee an outcome. Still, I think Mosca is displacing her own behaviors, which seems at best silly before those behaviors are normalized, and before they are even tolerated by a democratic consensus.

TrooperJohnSmith | April 20, 2013 at 9:52 am

Loose in my neighborhood, the little Emo Durka would’ve been calling 911 when he saw us. Guys like him are why I load Hydra Shok in my old nightstand 1911.

TrooperJohnSmith | April 20, 2013 at 10:00 am

Does Gina Mosca know that her last name means “housefly” in Spanish?

It somehow seems appropriate.

Buzz off beeyatch!

Having lived in Boston, I can assure you they do not lack for incestuous parochialism.

“We are educated, wealthy…”

Spoken like a true elitist. Interesting to see how she defines who she is, while most of us, IMHO, would likely describe ourselves as patriots, America loving, even G_D fearing.

This woman is an elitist, naïve fool. Just because she lives in an upscale neighborhood, she thinks she can never be the victim of a violent crime, or if she is the police will get to her in time to save her. I can just see her now as suspect #1 breaks into her house…” Stop where you are, I have called the police! I have an ivy-league diploma and I know how to use it!”

Midwest Rhino | April 20, 2013 at 10:58 am

Clearly Gina is a bigot, and not well educated, perhaps compensating for her own bad childhood. But the left has fed a PC diet to their liberal and dependent masses. They see Al Gore’s movie, and suddenly become climate experts, without the pesky need for even a passing knowledge of basic science.

They can cheer on Bill Maher describe his fantasizing of essentially the rape of Palin, and feel such misogynist hate is justified toward such an ignorant person. Why? Because Palin is so stupid she’s dangerous, thinking seeing Russia from her house qualifies her in foreign policy. (I know, it was an SNL dimwit that said that).

Orwell described this dynamic of hate. I’m not sure it is exactly “cultural divide”. That seems to indicate a mere difference of opinion, rather than portraying current “liberalism” as the social disorder it is. These communist propagandists need to be exposed for what they are, as “The Naked Communist” explains.

conservativegram | April 20, 2013 at 11:31 am

I am not familiar with Massachusetts gun laws, but are you telling me that they didn’t work? That even with strict gun laws these guys still managed to get their hands on all those guns, ammo and explosives? They didn’t follow the laws? Huh. Who woulda thunk?
Just found an interesting article here for Gina–

1. Nate Bell has no need to apologize. The anti-self-defense Left politicizes everything instantly whether the facts are in or not. If the tweet was meant to persuade rather than attack, it might have been more effective without the word ‘cowering’. IMHO Bell should repost it.

2. Checking Gina Mosca out online, I suspect that she’s having a rough time in the Obama economy (and, being a leftie, can’t admit it). To lash out when expectations are dashed or besieged is a temptation I’m not immune to—but that doesn’t make such behavior acceptable.

The Internet does not forget. If I were Mosca, hopefully I’d have the sense to admit crossing the line, and apologize.

Gina’s “Amazing Law Enforcement” was so Amazing it not only failed to anticipate and prevent the massacre, it had to appeal to the taxpaying public to help locate the fugitives while calling for martial law and required an army just to apprehend two teen terrorists.

Amazing indeed.

nordic_prince | April 20, 2013 at 12:01 pm

The commenters are self-righteous libtards – whatever they say, do, or think is okay, but the rest of us are just ignorant hicks. I found the one by Stogdill (third down in the screenshot) to be typical: apparently assault is a-ok with him, just not with a “weapon.”

Evidently when they wring their hands and b&m about “gun violence,” it’s the “gun” part that really sticks in their craw. Violence, not so much….

    jdkchem in reply to nordic_prince. | April 20, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Assault is OK with the prick when there is absolutely no possibility the fuck will ever have to back up his mouth. The moment we start making these twats start having to pay up on the checks their mouths write is when we start seeing actual civility.

      nordic_prince in reply to jdkchem. | April 20, 2013 at 1:19 pm

      I agree. These bullies are full of swagger precisely because they know their bluff won’t be called. If they ever had to engage in fisticuffs, they’d probably be the first ones to whine for Mommy.

The condescension in Gina’s remark is breathtaking. She is “educated, wealthy and pays taxes” – the implication here being that everyone else is an uneducated, destitute, rube that shirks paying taxes (I wonder whether Geithner is in her same league?). Then she follows up that because of all those “attributes” she is entitled to awesome police protection — the implication here being that that’s work for the peasants to do. Wow, nothing like being full of yourself! I wonder whether she believes in her own self-importance?

shortwave8669 | April 20, 2013 at 12:18 pm

“go fuck your cousin”

Dear smug Boston resident as I recall from elementary school history class the Liberal God Franklin Delano Roosevelt and wife Eleanor were also wealthy, well-educated tax payers from the Northeast US and actual cousins who did what you accuse others of.

Actually, the one I liked best was from the locked-down Bostonian who tweeted, “I don’t wish I had a gun. I wish I had more booze.”

All that courage from sheep cowering in their homes afraid of a 19 year old.

People who feel the need to explain in tweets or on forums that they are well-educated and wealthy usually are not.

As far as being a tax payer, well join the crowd.

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Henry Hawkins | April 20, 2013 at 12:57 pm

There is no causal relationship between being educated and being smart.

MaggotAtBroadAndWall | April 20, 2013 at 12:58 pm

What boggles my mind about gun grabbers is their inability to even consider an unstable future. I’m not a “prepper” kook, but I can see how we live in a society of illusory stability. We’ve never been so highly interdependent and inter-connected.

For example, say a terrorist uses cyber warfare to simultaneously bring down a dozen or so electric utilities in major cities around the country. People won’t be able to heat their homes, cook, use water, engage in commerce to buy food, gas, etc. I figure people will be patient in the first 24 hours. Start to get pretty anxious after 2 days. Panic by 3 days, and total chaos/anarchy after 4 days. Do you want to be armed or unarmed in a nation with hundreds of millions of guns on day 5?

And that’s only one of many risks. We now have countries openly claiming they want to nuke us. Maybe the probability of these events are small, but they are not zero. And that’s just today or the near future, who knows what the world will look like a decade or a century from now.

I think they are incredibly naive and have a misplaced – bordering on moronic – blind faith in government to eliminate life risks.

    Yes, yes and yes. You are correct. Many years ago a bunch of friends were sitting around when somehow the conversation ended up about survival. All of a sudden you have no electricity, no water, don’t know what is happening – life as you know it has taken a 360º turn… what would you do, how would you survive? We spent the rest of the evening in this exercise. Needless to say it was very revealing… Try it some time. We ended up surviving, mainly because we all worked together and were adept at taking care of ourselves.

This isn’t about feelings. No matter how much the hoplophobes wish to diminish their opponents.

Having a gun in the house doesn’t make me feel any safer. Having a gun in the house gives me the ability to shoot anyone who tries to force entry.

    Sanddog in reply to ThomasD. | April 20, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    Being armed doesn’t create some magical shield that protects me from all harm. It evens the playing field and give me a chance to survive. That scares the hell out of people who want someone else to take care of them.

ThreeputtinIL | April 20, 2013 at 1:53 pm

Living in another hell-hole liberal state has educated me too, Gina. You who think the police are there only for your protection are in for a very rude awakening. Having a gun would at least give you a shot in hell at defending yourself if someone invades your house. You don’t have 15 min. to wait for the police, you have exactly 10 seconds to get your brain wrapped around the fact that you are being attacked, for whatever reason, and you need something to fight them off with. I am starting to believe liberals think all they really need is a good negotiator to stop an intruder from breaking the law. Liberals great college professors have pretty much filled their empty heads with a bunch of smoke to how powerful their words and thought truly are. Our elite metromen and our more male than female women libbers are a great example of how to completely change some of natures god given abilities and instincts. Men no longer are the protectors in the liberal world, men and women are equals becuase they can both think and speak. Pay no mind to the fact that most men are stronger and bigger in general than women. Any 5’2 120lb. female with a big mouth should be able to take a 6’2 250 lb. male in two sentences flat. Why on earth does anyone need a gun when I can stop them with my freely given mouth? Yes, I feel so much safer now! Living here in IL is the rudest awakening to how unsafe we are not only in our own home, but also in the surrounding areas. No one drives down to the South side of Chicago or the West side. Even though it is one of the strictest city’s in the world on gun laws, for some reason everyone has one there, and everyone is equally breaking the law. How come all these great liberals in those areas haven’t turned themselves in to the cops? For that matter, why would so many people break the law blatantly, when they are safer without a gun? How is it that we can’t educate the law breakers on how much safer they are when they don’t own guns? Duh, it’s cause your NOT!!! You don’t go to a gun fight with a knife, dummy! If you can’t equal out the playing field with criminals, your not going to win. When can we uneducate all the dummy liberals that are running this country. How did they remember all the wrong things in class and not the right ones? My only equalizer in this state, is to move out of it to a state that has some common sense!

LukeHandCool | April 20, 2013 at 1:53 pm

“Gina of the 1%” is armed with an AR-15 potty mouth with a hi-capacity snark magazine so huge, David Gregory would need Piers Morgan’s help holding it up … when Piers is on a break from disarming the colonists.

Wow, that Gina person is truly clueless about her surroundings if she thinks everyone in Massachusetts is “educated” and “wealthy.” Let me guess, she lives on Beacon Hill and never bothers with the “little people.” And she probably never bothers to note that the middle class has been shrinking in MA since RomneyCare; people who aren’t “educated” and “wealthy” can’t afford the taxes and move out of the Commonwealth, while people who want free healthcare and a sanctuary for illegals are moving there in droves.

wonder if they know police are not required to protect them per SCOTUS.
catching a lawbreaker is their only real duty.
they don’t have to give a crap about anyone else.

That string of stupidity proves that commiecrats have diseased brains.

Gina Moonbat is educated and wealthy. Translation: educated beyond her own intelligence, and feeding at the trough. I work with lots like her, engineering and science types to boot. The 60’s “question authority” hippies are running the asylum, and there’s no more questioning allowed.

1) Gina is projecting her own desires or defending her own actions;
2)Clearly, if she is “wealthy” and “sleeping fine in her home”, she does not live in Watertown, which is pretty much a working class area.

One wonders why liberals like Gina, safely ensconsed in her gated community, where people are “filtered” before being allowed to move in, deny people that aren’t as wealthy and happy as her, the basic human right to defend themselves.

    DDsModernLife in reply to Dimsdale. | April 20, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    I can answer that, my friend.

    Living in a rural county not far from the Southern Crescent of South Atlanta, I’m keenly aware of the occasional home invasion in my area. These things don’t even bring a casual acknowledgement from our friend, Gina.

    But, God forbid(!), some inner-city crack-head would overpower me and make off with my guns and come armed to HER neighborhood (where she now sleeps well with nothing more formidable than her hardbound copy of “Fifty Shades of Grey” in her nightstand)…that fear keeps her awake at night.

    She has done the cost/benefit analysis and disarming me, while it leaves a nameless Southern knuckle dragger totally exposed, increases her security by a few parts/million. That’s a risk she’s willing to take.

    Therefore, I must be disarmed.

SmokeVanThorn | April 20, 2013 at 9:22 pm

I had no idea that everyone in the Boston area is wealthy, educated and has never been a victim of crime because the police are always there to prevent it. Kudos!

Bell should have responded to Mosca: my cousin is gay, so that makes it okay to eff him doesn’t it?

Every day people learn how valuable a gun is when you really need one, but many of them learn too late.

If it makes you feel better to imagine that the police will always arrive in time to save you, by all means, let your imagination run wild, I pray your luck holds out, but don’t demand that I must do the same.

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