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Where did we go so wrong as a nation that laughing about and celebrating abortion became hip?

Where did we go so wrong as a nation that laughing about and celebrating abortion became hip?

Really.

It has nothing to do with whether you support a woman’s “right” to choose.  One can support or not oppose that “right” and still appreciate the gravity of the decision, and understand that a child never was born.

At what point in the development of the nation did we go so wrong that it became hip at a place like Jezebel to laugh about and celebrate abortion?

What’s the Best Age to Have an Abortion?

One of the perks (well, side effects) of writing publicly and frequently about how women should be able to control what happens inside their own skin is that every time a friend gets knocked up and wants to end her pregnancy, she ends up confiding in me, a person she knows will not tell her she’s going to hell for choosing abortion. “You’re going to hell for other things,” I’ll say, to make her feel better. “Like the time you peed in that litterbox at a party because the line for the bathroom was too long. Also your engagement ring is made of a conflict diamond.”

Jezebel - Best time to abort

Jezebel is part of Gawker Media, which as we know is more acceptable than conservative talk radio for advertisers.

When I read an article like that at Jezebel, I wonder if we are so far gone it’s too late.

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Mister Natural | February 9, 2013 at 3:24 pm

no need to worry yourself about the “IF”

Perspective.

This is like reading of the latest outrage of the Westboro demons and extrapolating that they represent Christian…well…anything.

Yes, there are crazy, depraved people out there. Many of them are “hip”.

Chin up…!!!

    I can agree with that sentiment. We should be careful to avoid the extrapolation trap to which others fall readily. Still, with around one million Obamas, Reids, Nancys, and Flukes aborted every year in America, it cannot and should not escape our notice that a gross violation of human rights is being committed.

    The seeming inability of women, and men, to self-moderate their behavior, when it comes to the most treasured aspect of our world, human life, should be of great concern for everyone. The normalization of elective abortion indicates a general devaluation of human life has occurred.

    This is the slippery slope which every great civilization has followed and the ensuing corruption which assured its eventual obsolescence, whether at its own hand or that of its competitors. This is evolutionary dysfunction and cannot be reasonably ignored. If women, and men, desire to enjoy liberty, then they need to make a better choice.

I refuse to discuss the abortion issue beyond the question of when life begins because all arguments hinge on the answer.

    Good point, but when life begins is a scientific question, and that has absolutely been answered. The real question, and the one on which the law hangs, is when personhood begins. That too is settled — Absolutely — but about half the population needs to wake up.

    It’s so easy to be pro-abortion when one has already been born.

    There are two objective standards: biological conception and conscious conception (or emergence). The latter is what we generally recognize as a characteristic which defines us as uniquely human.

    Our own national charter, The Declaration of Independence, establishes that our unalienable rights are endowed from “creation”, which among them is the right to Life. The Fourteenth Amendment to our Constitution guarantees that our rights cannot be violated without cause and without due process.

    This is where we should begin the conversation.

    Liberty is only suitable, by definition, for individuals capable of self-moderating behavior.

BannedbytheGuardian | February 9, 2013 at 3:46 pm

On a cold and dark Chicago morn

Another little child is born

In the ghetto,———in the ghetto

And his momma cries ——-in the ghetto.

That song ends up with the kid getting shot .

What difference at this point in time does it matter?

Depravity is certainly part of it but supreme narcissism is the ultimate culprit. These are without a doubt the most selfish, ego driven, arrested developmentally, and simply stupid people. Their insecurity and weakness is astounding. They should be treated as such.

The existence of the website “Jezebel” itself is just a statement that our society is on the brink of something horrible, perhaps like Paris was in early July, 1789! Then, in an all too short period of time, Paris become the symbol for a society gone over the edge into darkness.

Other more recent times could well be compared to our current time too, yet that would be impolitic and distracting!

    9thDistrictNeighbor in reply to Doug Wright. | February 9, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Whoever named that website (“Home of Shiny Happy Ladies”) must have been thinking of how cool Bette Davis was in that red dress, and not of the Baal-worshiping Jezebel in 1st and 2nd Kings. They have much more in common with the latter than the former.

I see this as the perfect time to mock.

What do you mean,”What’s the Best Age to Have an Abortion.” Wow, the thought process behind that question. What other questions reflect the hipness of the left, Erin: The best age to have a sex video. The best age to start sexting. The best age to whine about being a victim.

Why not ask, the Best Age to vote your future into debt? The best age to fully trust the media. The best age to accept the lefty lie. The best age to vote twice in an election. The best age to start being dependent on the government.

Oh, and one more thing, Erin.

Obama believes you can abort a child outside the womb, so the best age to have an abortion question is rather silly – because it doesn’t matter – to the left.

I fear it is too late for those educated to believe (and who actually believe) that their feelings and self-esteem are what matters most. Maybe they will have kids and realize that’s not what a truly good life is about, but I doubt even that will change their perspective. If your life is only about yourself, you will die thinking only about yourself.

This is evil and done in the spirit of Antichristos: “The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy.” (John 10:10, NKJ)

Henry Hawkins | February 9, 2013 at 4:49 pm

You have to overcome human guilt and shame to kill easily and readily, so it becomes necessary to dehumanize the victim – it ain’t murder if the victim isn’t human. Humor helps, like with the long string of caricatured war enemies: redcoats, savages, rebs, jerries, krauts, japs, slant-eyes, chinks, gooks, etc.

I’m sure plenty of good law-abiding Germans made jokes as the trains passed by on the way to Poland. The horror is that it works, makes it possible.

“Where did we go so wrong as a nation that laughing about and celebrating abortion became hip?”

As “It’s hip to be a square” Huey Lewis is my witness, Dr. Carson is my idea of hip. And I don’t think he’d joke about abortion.

This is why we have Obama as President. He is judgement from God. We insist on becoming an increasingly wicked nation, we get a wicked “king”.

Where sin abounds grace abounds the more.

Dr. Bernard Nathanson who help lay the foundation for Planned Parenthood and the morally, legally and spiritually disgusting Roe v. Wade decision told the whole story of desensitizing the public, the courts and the legislature. He converted and told the story. He told it before he passed away.

If you “celebrate” abortion I pray for you.

Thank you for this important post, Professor.

DM

We are too far gone, in my honest opinion, and it will be our everlasting shame as a nation. God provided so much for us in the way of opportunity, liberty, resources, and we have squandered it with corruption, moral decay and self-indulgence. Unless we get back to the moral foundation that God laid down, we are dooming ourselves to a decent into depravity masquerading as salvation.

I’d say not we as a nation are (too?) far gone, but our culture has. It reaches beyond our borders.

dmurray has the right word: desensitization. If a mom can celebrate killing her own child, what other killings might we someday come to celebrate? Recall that modern abortion springs from eugenics: Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood. Maggie wanted to perfect the race, hence blacks are targeted by PP. Maggie worked with Hitler, a guy who celebrated killing Jews.

Now that we’re desensitized, who is next on the chopping block? We might not have the stomach yet for executing rich conservatives on TV, but some on the Left have called for it.

We’re on the verge of a new world order that could make the previous century look like amateur hour.

TrooperJohnSmith | February 9, 2013 at 6:02 pm

Indeed, Obama and all the other good little Left-wing apparatchiks support abortions outside the womb.

That is, until it involves a trial by a jury of peers, endless appeals and 15+ years on death row. Then, all the good little Lefties hold hands, light candles, sing, drum and somberly speak of the barbarism of the modern American State.

So, it’s okay to kill thousands of unborn innocents a day, but it is morally reprehensible to kill a murderer who took an innocent life or lives? Michael Savage and Ann Coulter are right: Liberalism or Progressivism is a mental disorder. It should disqualify one to vote or hold office.

I had this argument with a liberal co-worker one day. I finally looked at her and said, “You have a son, what if you had aborted him?” thinking that she would have to think about him. She didn’t miss a beat. “I wouldn’t have known him.”

That was her argument. It wouldn’t have mattered because he didn’t exist. I could never look at her after that.

Henry Hawkins | February 9, 2013 at 6:44 pm

I abort because it isn’t a baby in the womb. But, if I’m pregnant and I want the baby, and you punch me in the belly, you’ve assaulted my baby, the one who isn’t a baby when I want to abort it.

I suspect that one of the reasons people “celebrate” abortion is to offend people to whom the act is objectionable. The same for those who “support” the killer Dorner. If they did not want to offend, they would simply keep their opinions private.

    TrooperJohnSmith in reply to nomadic100. | February 9, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    You are exactly right. Since the Left gave up facts and reason for feeling and emotion, they are bereft of any foundation upon which to base belief. So, like an addict, they need more and more to get the same emotional “high” upon which their beliefs are now based. Hence, the continual over-the-top rhetoric, memes, beliefs and constructs.

      TrooperJohnSmith in reply to TrooperJohnSmith. | February 9, 2013 at 8:41 pm

      I meant to add: They must tear others down in order to stand upon their shaky foundations of cheap emotion. That’s why their expressions are always pushed outward, with malicious intent.

And these are the very same people who are screeching about taking our guns away, “for the children”.

My disgust for them is pretty much unlimited at this point.

JoAnne – whose co-worker said “I wouldn’t have known him.”

She was lying and then to cover her guilt about lying she went into denial. Any woman who has been pregnant even a month has been introduced to her child and even if for a monent has I’m sure communicated with them.

OK….I’m going to clarify a couple of things about where the debate over abortion stands currently…..the whole question of whether or not it is a life has been settled with one side ceding the argument to the other….Dr Merle Hoffman, an abortion pioneer, even said so much in her memoir:
“In the beginning, they were calling it a baby. We were saying it was only blood and tissue. Let’s agree this is a life form, a potential life; you’re terminating it. You don’t have to argue that abortion stops a beating heart. It does.”
http://www.salon.com/2012/01/02/abortion_pioneer_defend_rights_or_lose_them/
Also, there’s been a large increase in numbers on the pro-life side while the pro-abortion side has been tapering off (both sides know this but the pro-abortion side will deny it sometimes) Basically, what we have is an aging generation that’s seeing itself die off and has been trying to impose its views on a younger generation who are increasingly rejecting them. March for Life had a record attendance last month of 650,000- most being millenials!! 🙂

    The principles of evolution, including fitness, are inviolable, which is why the pro-abortion or pro-choice side are resigned to indoctrination in order to bolster their numbers. In the meantime, their effort to normalize elective abortion, and to corrupt the principal responsibility (as uniquely distinguishes the female from the male) of a woman to care for a developing human life in her womb from conception to birth, motivates a general devaluation of human life. The pro-abortion/choice interest in human rights is selective, and seems to revolve around preserving a human life for sex, taxation, and democratic leverage.

sadly, america has reached the point of no return when it comes to moral decay and corruption that the prophecies regarding america in the bible have just come to fruition. But here is still hoping that even in america’s darkest and last hours there will rise still a “king Josiah” (the last righteous king of judah) who will uphold the time-tested truths and inspire a few more people before the ominous end of america comes.

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1. It has nothing to do with whether you support a woman’s “right” to choose. One can support or not oppose that “right” and still appreciate the gravity of the decision, and understand that a child never was born.

Exactly.

2. When I read an article like that at Jezebel, I wonder if we are so far gone it’s too late.

So do I but arguably the country was even more far gone in the 1970s than we are today. Maybe someone like Cruz can revitalize the Reagan coalition assemble another coalition like Reagan’s from the ground up.

3. Having said that:

After the election (which the GOP should have won going away) I posted that the conservative reaction to the result was more worrisome than the result. With the exception of Ted Cruz’s performance, subsequent events are confirming my reaction.

Complaining continues unabated. Obama is Hitler! Boehner is Satan! Interest in new conservative approaches remains minimal. Purity! Purity! Purity! Smite! Smite! Smite!

4. If a liberal or independent were having doubts about their position and consulted LI comment threads, especially about social controversies, IMO (s)he might well decide to stick with the devil (s)he knows. As Newt said in December, today’s GOP is so out of touch with the issues facing so many Americans that it is incapable of competing at the national level.

    Ragspierre in reply to gs. | February 10, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    “…the conservative reaction to the result was more worrisome than the result.”

    THE conservative reaction…?!?!?

    WTF…???

      If one scans my entire comment rather than focusing on a single word, an article yet, IMO the meaning is there to be read.

      My meaning would have been even clearer had I not deleted one or few paragraphs before posting. I no longer comment actively here but, in the hope the comment section returns to what attracted me, I prefer not to burn bridges.

      By and large I stand by what I wrote the day after we lost:

      This cartoon is wrongheaded and counterproductive. It keeps us in denial about our deficiencies. We don’t even know what those deficiencies are and we won’t figure it out if we stay in denial.

      I remember the smugness before the SCOTUS decision on Obamacare.

      I remember, from just two days ago, the arrogant confidence and derision about the polls, betting odds, and prediction markets. I remember the airy predictions of a blowout victory.

      <snip>

      Look at the Presidency. Look at the Senate. Look at the string of defeats in Operation Counterweight.

      Then look at the reactions on this board, including the cartoon in this post. Outlandish denial; blaming everyone and everything except ourselves. Our reaction to the election bodes worse for the future than the election results themselves. Hopefully rationality will begin to assert itself.

      Still keeping my fingers crossed wrt the last sentence. So far Cruz is exceeding my expectations.

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