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Prisoner pikuach nefesh

Prisoner pikuach nefesh

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Via Times of Israel, Ya’alon: Israel’s ‘unique’ situation made ‘Prisoner X’ incarceration necessary:

The incarceration of “Prisoner X”, the high-security prisoner who committed suicide in Ayalon Prison in 2010, was made necessary by Israel’s “unique” security situation, Vice Premier and Strategic Affairs Minister Moshe Ya’alon said Saturday.

Speaking to Channel 2, Ya’alon said that owing to Israel’s “unique” security situation, “extreme measures” such as the conditions under which Ben Zygier was incarcerated were not only necessary, but even constituted pikuach nefesh — the Jewish imperative to save lives, even if religious laws are broken in the process…

“We have to assume that if we reached such a state, it means there was a slip here that required that steps be taken by the organization under discussion…under full supervision, and after many considerations,” said Ya’alon.

Ya’alon is former Chief of Staff of the IDF.

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TrooperJohnSmith | February 16, 2013 at 4:59 pm

If indeed he was about to, or had already, named names in the Dubai assassination, one has to wonder why? Conscience? Money? Pressure from his home government in Oz?

I guess we’ll never know.

They just don’t make ’em like Wolfgang Lotz any more.

There is so much we don’t know about this one, yet for Israel to take such measures as a gag order, when it was already public knowledge is Australia, made very little sense. I think Mossad overstepped on this one. The suicide in prison matter is always troubling.

Reminds me of the mafia saying, “He slipped in the bathtub, and stabbed himself in the back……17 times!”

    BannedbytheGuardian in reply to Paul. | February 16, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    Bibi actually called all the media in to warn them not to cover. Then Israelis began walking around with Australian newspapers & holding them up in cafes to spread the news.

    That is going to make him need to come clean . We accept Israel has special risks but I think a visit to address the Australia people via the Parliament. Is needed.

    He needs to explaitn to the non Jewish what a dual Israeli – Australan is obligated to do & why.
    he only Aliyah people here know is the beautiful Rusian Olympic gymnast with those Salome smokey eyes.

    I also found out that the Netanyahu household eats over a litre of ice crime every day . My spy goggles say it is Mrs Netanyahu with a secret spoon hidden in her tummy rolls.

    Bibi – you can bring her . we haz ice cream.

BannedbytheGuardian | February 16, 2013 at 8:03 pm

Yep . I got this right & I only got around to viewing the show yesterday on the Sat afternoon repeat.

Anyhow don’t you guys ever think of kidnapping S-Dawg & putting him away in an ultra DHS prison , sans pyjama pants. He has been posting on blogs far & wide & sayin’ bad stuff about The Admin

We will find out .

Yaalon is interesting for another reason. Before he was CoS, he was head of military intelligence. In other words, the story of Prisoner X is in his area of expertise.
I know that those who don’t much agree with him would dismiss him as a right winger. Certainly he doesn’t come from a right wing background. (I believe that he’s a kibbutznik.)

BannedbytheGuardian | February 17, 2013 at 12:45 am

Of the 4 Australians.in the spotlight ( prisoner x plus the assassin passport holders ) 3 have fathered who are I the highest rank of Melbourne’s Jewish community.

Zyglier’s is CEO of the B’Nai Brith.

Number 1 passport assassin Dad is the chief of an Israel environmental fund . Read bundler aka money laundering nice Jewish ladies. $$$ to Israel. He also has an office in the same building as M r Zieglier.

Number 2 passport assassin. Dad is Orthododox & a lawyer . His influence would likely be behind the scene.

So if that is not an eye raiser what is .? Israel must have known they were endangering these families because we do have Islamic presence here also. Did they agree. ? ouch.

Is there some sort of coup possibilities where some diaspora are backing another faction within Israel?

Hey I might be wrong but something is up.

    Hey I might be wrong but something is up.

    Oh boy. You are most definitely wrong. Not only wrong but quite disgusting in your eagerness to besmirch utterly innocent people.

    How do you know who “passport assassin no. 1” or no. 2 are? Their identities have never been revealed. So passports were borrowed or stolen. Gasp! Oy vey! As if no other intel agency in the world ever forges passports! As if the Israelis could enter Dubai on their own passports!

    You have built up an utterly false and nasty straw man simply in order to blacken the name of the Australian Jewish community. sick.

BannedbytheGuardian | February 17, 2013 at 1:13 am

Further script .

Prisoner X was a member of a secular socialist youth group & attended a Zionist school that has morphed to the left to have brought in a Homosexual Headmaster from South Africa – plus his partner.

Zyglier Snr is CEO of the B Brith which has a left wing Anti Discriminatin arm with academic & legal punch.

The Israel Fund needs to actually have some enviro creds eg they are centre left at best .

Were their sons’ passports used to warn them the Israel Right’s power ?

There is a reason Bibi called the election early. To ward off the left. Or to be able to cover for e upcoming Prisoner X Fallout.

If you are reading this Israeli intelligence – I really know nuttin. You are not the only ones with flair out there.

    There is a reason Bibi called the election early. To ward off the left. Or to be able to cover for e upcoming Prisoner X Fallout.

    If you are reading this Israeli intelligence – I really know nuttin. You are not the only ones with flair out there.

    Do you have ANY facts at all? Do you know anything at all about Israeli politics? Your comments display your abysmal ignorance of domestic Israeli politics and make you look like a fool with an agenda.

BannedbytheGuardian | February 17, 2013 at 1:34 am

For those with Jewish knowledge.

Ben Zyglier worked in Tel Aviv in the law offices of the current Justice Minister Neeman (non Knesset ‘ who has been at high level since the mid 90 s.

Neeman is said to be Halakhic , but who has had high finance positions. He had been accused in the case of the Shepardhic Areyh Derived . Both were forced to resign & found i not guilty. Newman is ba ck I power & Deri is planning to r e enter public life.

So if anyone can put in a religious or. Finance angle please do.

You have nothing to lose .

    What has Jewish knowledge got to do with anything concerning this matter?

    What do you mean that “Ne’eman is halakhic”? What a weird and stupid phrase. If you mean he is Orthodox, why the ‘but” in the fact that he has held high financial positions? Do you have a problem with that, and if so, why?

    So if anyone can put in a religious or. Finance angle please do.

    You have nothing to lose .

    You have made an incredible mish-mash of ancient Israeli politics from the 80s and 90s with an intelligence problem today.

    So no, there is no religious or finance angle here except in your fevered brain.

    Stop digging around trying to get some dirt, any dirt, on Israel and the Jews. Get help.

BannedbytheGuardian | February 17, 2013 at 5:36 pm

You guys so want not to know. And you wonder at the non reaction to Benghazi?

We are all as blind as that which we will not see.

Get this – NZ 2011. Amongst the earthquake ruins a van was found with. a dead Israeli ‘tourist’ whose 3 other companions left his body there & fled Israel within 10 hours. Not only did the guy have 5 passports on him but the van was taken for forensics.

The NZ govt denied entry to 2 Israeli ‘search’ teams. There were another 2 ‘ backpackers ‘ missing who became a focal point of recovery efforts for NZ authorities.

Previously in 05 Israel was caught Passport laundering in NZ a spy was imprisoned & all diplomats expelled & relations have never recovered. NZ has a conservative govt.

Britain NZ & Australia are not stupid collectively .

Cheers – they still have .Canada.

    Get this – NZ 2011. Amongst the earthquake ruins a van was found with. a dead Israeli ‘tourist’ whose 3 other companions left his body there & fled Israel within 10 hours. Not only did the guy have 5 passports on him but the van was taken for forensics.

    You are beyond disgusting. Your conspiracy theories are nauseating and you come across and the looniest of troofers. How can you attempt to make political or propaganda capital out of a tragic case of Israelis being killed in an earthquake? Next thing you’ll claim is that the Israelis caused the earthquake, am I right?

    For your information (though I am sure you are uninterested and will claim that the NZ PM is an Israeli stooge since he too is Jewish), there were THREE Israelis killed in NZ, not one, and none of them were spies . They were simply innocent backpackers. Your besmirching of their memory should land you in jail. At the very least you owe an apology for writing such dirt.

    And you’re still going on about the passports. Get over it and get some help for the tinfoil that is addling your brain.

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